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The "Crown Store" is currently a horrible business practice and I refuse to support it as is.
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RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
I'm typing this on an iPhone 6. I'm able to do more with an iPhone 6 than I'm able to do with any cheaper smartphone out there. I can't do more with an $8 costume than I can with a $2 costume. And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
You can find several smartphones that outperform the iPhone for less money. Easy. Trust me, I have a dozen smartphones, including an iPhone 6.
But an iPhone is more than some phone device. It's an accessory that helps building up your identity. At least, that's what most people pretend.
The same is working for $8 costumes vs $2 costumes.
Apparently enough people feel that an $8 costume is worth the price and buy it. They don't play better, they don't have any kind of bonuses but they like to work on their in-game identity and are willing to pay mucha money for it.
Get over it. Like others said: vote with your wallet.
That's just what they want you to think. I've had several low end galaxies, straight talk "supreme" smart phones, LGs, Insignia, all that crap. My eyes were opened to the truth when I bought the iPhone 5. They all suck compared to it.
I want appropriately priced DLC or I'm quitting. Simple as that. I won't give long term support to rip off artists.
Didn't you already quit because they wouldn't give your low level character a class change and you weren't prepared to re-roll or create an alt?
...Well I was legitimately going to quit, but then I thought "Well my first character is female and I could always use a character that better represents me online.", so I...made an alt. but I still think class change should be implemented for others. I'm a selfless person.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
ROFL, oh I get it now and understand where he is coming from. He is in school on our tax dollars and is getting a free ride education from us so he expects everything he does to be given to him. I knew it was something like that, like I said the new generation that expects everything to be given to them. Wonder if he has an Obama phone?
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PinoZino✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
And I've been trying to tell you that despite all your World War II flashbacks, this is not *** Germany. Customers are able to influence how a product is sold and delivered.
Look around you. Almost no one is supporting you.
Because most people are smart enough to understand why they charge the given price.
And some of these buyers do feel it's a bid overcharged, but pay it anyway, for several reasons.
I wanted the Imperial version of ESO, but it was not available anymore at launch. So, I bought the regular version and a few days later I discovered that you could upgrade to the Imperial one via the Crown store. I did it.
Was it worth the price? Not really. But I would do it again.
I liked the 'free' horse and Imperial Race.
But I also want to support the company. It's a kind of little 'thank you' and if they make some profit, odds are higher that they will survive and return a magnificent game I like and play a lot.
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Krycek89✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
Oh my the entitlement of the younger folk, let me grab my popcorn
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
LOL... sometimes I wonder if you're not testing how far you can get playing the foolish guy.
This is a buy to play game just like any solo offline game (like, say, Skyrim). Difference is, solo games don't require servers and expansions. MMOs do. That's costly. Where do you think this cash comes from if not from subcriptions (now optional in ESO) and cash-shop ?
And what do you know about what they need to charge to keep up income ? How do you know that a drop in cash-shop prices would not lead to layoffs ? Do you by chance get an updated copy every month of their account ledgers ? No, you don't. So you don't know anything (which I could forgive you if you were Jon Snow but obviously you're not).
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RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
ROFL, oh I get it now and understand where he is coming from. He is in school on our tax dollars and is getting a free ride education from us so he expects everything he does to be given to him. I knew it was something like that, like I said the new generation that expects everything to be given to them. Wonder if he has an Obama phone?
You see this? This is what I'm talking about. This old ass, trash talking senior citizen. And you get on my case about old man jokesRinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
You were already corrected as to what current "average cosmetic items prices" are in MMOs, please don't use a false argument a second time.
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RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
And I've been trying to tell you that despite all your World War II flashbacks, this is not *** Germany. Customers are able to influence how a product is sold and delivered.
Look around you. Almost no one is supporting you.
Because most people are smart enough to understand why they charge the given price.
And some of these buyers do feel it's a bid overcharged, but pay it anyway, for several reasons.
I wanted the Imperial version of ESO, but it was not available anymore at launch. So, I bought the regular version and a few days later I discovered that you could upgrade to the Imperial one via the Crown store. I did it.
Was it worth the price? Not really. But I would do it again.
I liked the 'free' horse and Imperial Race.
But I also want to support the company. It's a kind of little 'thank you' and if they make some profit, odds are higher that they will survive and return a magnificent game I like and play a lot.
Thank you for WHAT? What are you grateful for? They're here to make money, that's it. Not saying that's bad necessarily, but you shouldn't be grateful to them.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭Many are grateful and can afford to buy things off the crown store. No hate that you can't.
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
Again, learn to MMO, it is not double the average DLC price at all, it's actually below the average mmo industry DLC price. Really, false arguments don't stand up to facts, you've been given the facts and you're still trying to chew your way out of this.Edited by Belidos on September 17, 2015 1:40PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Thank you for WHAT? What are you grateful for? They're here to make money, that's it. Not saying that's bad necessarily, but you shouldn't be grateful to them.
So after believing you're the one who knows how to set the prices, after believing you should tell people what they should buy and not buy, now you're the one who tells people how they should feel and not feel ???? Wow... you must be some kind of a God !!
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RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
I'm not against old people, I'm against his old ass, disrespecting young people when his real beef is with me. And though I reserve the right to be against the military and still be morally correct, I'm not against it.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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Maybe he can code himself to be god? Or even be able to Jesus beam all of us to death??anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Thank you for WHAT? What are you grateful for? They're here to make money, that's it. Not saying that's bad necessarily, but you shouldn't be grateful to them.
So fater believing you're the one who knows how to set the prices, after believing you should tell people what they should buy and not buy, now you're the one who tells people how they should feel and not feel ???? Wow... you must be some kind of a God !!
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TalonShina✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
Okay here's the thing the prices aren't bad when you compare to other games.
Since you are now focused on the DLC price let's look at this way: WOW is P2P game you have to have a subscription to play. (No real debate there) but you also have to pay for the expansions when they come out and each expansion is about 50-60 bucks
Okay now to ESO it is B2P so $60 or a little more if you straight up bought the imperial edition I think that was $75 (personally i bought that from the crown store)
Now you have two options for the DLC pay 15 bucks a month and auto get it for as long as you hold a sub or buy with crown for 2500 crown
2500 cannot be bought so you buy 3000 crown for $24.99
That means this DLC is less than WOW's expansions and which in theory is $60 + your sub
and and and.....you have 500 crowns left over now i know 500 doesn't really get you anything but the point is you have them which means you can afford to buy less crowns the next time you need to.Talons Fury - Sorc. Tank
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Thank you for WHAT? What are you grateful for? They're here to make money, that's it. Not saying that's bad necessarily, but you shouldn't be grateful to them.
So after believing you're the one who knows how to set the prices, after believing you should tell people what they should buy and not buy, now you're the one who tells people how they should feel and not feel ???? Wow... you must be some kind of a God !!
Well excuse me for believing bad business practice shouldn't be rewarded.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Thank you for WHAT? What are you grateful for? They're here to make money, that's it. Not saying that's bad necessarily, but you shouldn't be grateful to them.
So after believing you're the one who knows how to set the prices, after believing you should tell people what they should buy and not buy, now you're the one who tells people how they should feel and not feel ???? Wow... you must be some kind of a God !!
Well excuse me for believing bad business practice shouldn't be rewarded.
It's just a shame there's no bad business practices to be seen here, you might have actually had some kind of a point f that were the case.1 -
TalonShina wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
Okay here's the thing the prices aren't bad when you compare to other games.
Since you are now focused on the DLC price let's look at this way: WOW is P2P game you have to have a subscription to play. (No real debate there) but you also have to pay for the expansions when they come out and each expansion is about 50-60 bucks
Okay now to ESO it is B2P so $60 or a little more if you straight up bought the imperial edition I think that was $75 (personally i bought that from the crown store)
Now you have two options for the DLC pay 15 bucks a month and auto get it for as long as you hold a sub or buy with crown for 2500 crown
2500 cannot be bought so you buy 3000 crown for $24.99
That means this DLC is less than WOW's expansions and which in theory is $60 + your sub
and and and.....you have 500 crowns left over now i know 500 doesn't really get you anything but the point is you have them which means you can afford to buy less crowns the next time you need to.
This makes sense. Fine. But I still think it's overpriced regardless. They're both overpriced.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Thank you for WHAT? What are you grateful for? They're here to make money, that's it. Not saying that's bad necessarily, but you shouldn't be grateful to them.
So after believing you're the one who knows how to set the prices, after believing you should tell people what they should buy and not buy, now you're the one who tells people how they should feel and not feel ???? Wow... you must be some kind of a God !!
Well excuse me for believing bad business practice shouldn't be rewarded.
'Bad' is subjective, not factual description of the practice itself. You think it's bad business, many of us think it's good business (with a few tweaks). You're a coder, I'm in marketing, I have more business experience than you.0 -
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✭✭Weren't you the guy who was going to quit a month ago because there was no class change to buy in the crown store?
Anyway, back on topic. It seems you believe you speak for everyone who plays this game, on all issues. You do not. You see to me, 100 crowns for some of these items would be unreasonable because I think they're worthless. But they mean a great deal to other people and they pay their price and I'm okay with that. All the things I want from the crown store, I buy, including dlc's. I sub off and on and always have a reasonable amount of crowns for purchases. Love it, or hate it, this is one of the most fair stores I have seen in an mmo. The prices on most others are both outlandishly high and contain outright p2w products. Furthermore, you have no right to call into question anyone's mindset for purchasing items they want or need at prices they find reasonable. It's all about perspective. You have yours, everyone else has theirs. Move on.
I'm sure if we checked your bank statements for the last month, there would be some things on their that I would scoff at and wonder why anyone would pay that much for "that." But, it's none of my business what you do with your money, just like it's none of yours what people do with theirs on here. It's been said over and over again so let it sink in. If you don't think the prices are fair, don't buy the items, no one is forcing you. If you don't like the game, please by all means, quit and move on.3 -
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Oh, believe whatever you want, I'm a tolerant person.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Well excuse me for believing bad business practice shouldn't be rewarded.
What is less acceptable is that you try to impose your beliefs onto other people (that's intolerance) based on false assertions (that's manipulation).
We argue with (true) facts, you argue with "beliefs", well keep your belief but don't turn things around.
Now I can also give you some advice to save you time : its very likely that crown shop prices are not going down any time soon
so you should keep your own promise and leave the game. And this forum...
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »TalonShina wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
Okay here's the thing the prices aren't bad when you compare to other games.
Since you are now focused on the DLC price let's look at this way: WOW is P2P game you have to have a subscription to play. (No real debate there) but you also have to pay for the expansions when they come out and each expansion is about 50-60 bucks
Okay now to ESO it is B2P so $60 or a little more if you straight up bought the imperial edition I think that was $75 (personally i bought that from the crown store)
Now you have two options for the DLC pay 15 bucks a month and auto get it for as long as you hold a sub or buy with crown for 2500 crown
2500 cannot be bought so you buy 3000 crown for $24.99
That means this DLC is less than WOW's expansions and which in theory is $60 + your sub
and and and.....you have 500 crowns left over now i know 500 doesn't really get you anything but the point is you have them which means you can afford to buy less crowns the next time you need to.
This makes sense. Fine. But I still think it's overpriced regardless. They're both overpriced.
You see this is what we're getting at. You may believe they're overpriced, but the market value dictates the price and the market values says that's what they're worth. What you believe is just personal opinion and doesn't make a bit of difference. It can be equated to anything in life. For example McDonalds sell cheese burgers for 99p, would I be right to walk in and demand it cheaper because I don't think it's worth 99p? Hell no, 99p for a burger is cheap as chips. I personally don't think their cheese burgers are worth 99p, but compared to the market value they're cheap and I understand that, so I don't make a fuss, I just don't buy them.Edited by Belidos on September 17, 2015 1:51PM0 -
Hope499✭✭✭✭You know what is just CRAZY?!?!?
You actually DONT HAVE To buy them! I know right? But its true!
So, I thought all crown store purchases were something you had to do to play the game, but it turnes out it is actualy the players choice!
All crown store items are OPTIONAL, so you dont have to buy them if you dont want!
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
I'm not against old people, I'm against his old ass, disrespecting young people when his real beef is with me. And though I reserve the right to be against the military and still be morally correct, I'm not against it.
OK I can understand a few things about him. He gets free schooling, he does not respect old people, he does not believe we should have a military or at least he does not respect them either. He wants to pay what he wants for anything he uses in his life. Like I said typical younger generation that was brought up with no respect for anyone or anything and wants it all on a silver platter.
Oh if he was only my child. “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Prices fine, whatever for now. But why am I forced to buy the *** in bundles? Why can't they just sell both the items and the crowns individually?Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0
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TalonShina✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »TalonShina wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is wrong in so many ways., where do you think the money to pay the devs comes from? A magic bag of holding? People not buying things like this leads to a downturn in profits, which in turn leads to a reduction in budgets, which can lead to a reduction in costs and trimming of staff. You truly are a clueless person.
Again, they're overpricing this stuff. This is not a free to play game, they don't need to be charging that much to keep up income.
You are correct this is not a F2P game and why do you think a P2P, F2P, B2P game does not need income to survive?
They do need it. They don't need double the average DLC price.
Okay here's the thing the prices aren't bad when you compare to other games.
Since you are now focused on the DLC price let's look at this way: WOW is P2P game you have to have a subscription to play. (No real debate there) but you also have to pay for the expansions when they come out and each expansion is about 50-60 bucks
Okay now to ESO it is B2P so $60 or a little more if you straight up bought the imperial edition I think that was $75 (personally i bought that from the crown store)
Now you have two options for the DLC pay 15 bucks a month and auto get it for as long as you hold a sub or buy with crown for 2500 crown
2500 cannot be bought so you buy 3000 crown for $24.99
That means this DLC is less than WOW's expansions and which in theory is $60 + your sub
and and and.....you have 500 crowns left over now i know 500 doesn't really get you anything but the point is you have them which means you can afford to buy less crowns the next time you need to.
This makes sense. Fine. But I still think it's overpriced regardless. They're both overpriced.
You see this is what we're getting at. You may believe they're overpriced, but the market value dictates the price and the market values says that's what they're worth. What you believe is just personal opinion and doesn't make a bit of difference. It can be equated to anything in life. For example McDonalds sell cheese burgers for 99p, would I be right to walk in and demand it cheaper because I don't think it's worth 99p? Hell no, 99p for a burger is cheap as chips. I personally don't think their cheese burgers are worth 99p, but compared to the market value they're cheap and I understand that.
LOL I love this. I love your response to to the OP's response of my post (That makes sense, but it's still overpriced TO ME) that's the jist of the OPs complaint it has nothing to do with the actual market valueTalons Fury - Sorc. Tank
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zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Vote with your wallet.
None is forcing you to pay for crowns. It is merely cosmetics.
If enough people refuse to pay the price the price will change.
I have heard of people who bought epic motifs on the crown store and bought mount training.
To me it is ridiculous but not to them. I would not pay 1 cent for anything I could get in the game, but others might.
Vote with your wallet.
I buy horse upgrades now and then as I have to work away from home often, so it can take agggesss to level up a new horse, £10 odd quid plus the few crowns from my sub gets me most of the speed done on a new mount. I earn good enough money for it not to bother me.0
