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The "Crown Store" is currently a horrible business practice and I refuse to support it as is.
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RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
My point is exactly that.
What is reasonable is a totally subjective thing.
You cannot prove if something is reasonable or unreasonable. It may be reasonable to you, and unreasonable to me, or vice versa.
This is not an argument worth having because of that.
Rip off- a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced.
That's the definition of a rip off. When compared to most other DLC items on PSN, this is overpriced.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Your head is so far up your ass
Your lack of listening and understanding skills, knowledge and experience are one thing, but your lack of courtesy is another and it is unacceptable.
I'm not going to have common courtesy for someone who has done nothing but hang around my thread and ridicule me because I wasn't acknowledging his posts.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
My point is exactly that.
What is reasonable is a totally subjective thing.
You cannot prove if something is reasonable or unreasonable. It may be reasonable to you, and unreasonable to me, or vice versa.
This is not an argument worth having because of that.
Rip off- a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced.
That's the definition of a rip off. When compared to most other DLC items on PSN, this is overpriced.
Most dlc items for what? Single player games? Don't say DCUO, that game charges up the you know what for tiny episode content and to basically use the best classes.
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That's another thing. People have no problem throwing a bunch of shade at me, but when I throw it back twice as hard they want to get sensitive. How hypocritical.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
My point is exactly that.
What is reasonable is a totally subjective thing.
You cannot prove if something is reasonable or unreasonable. It may be reasonable to you, and unreasonable to me, or vice versa.
This is not an argument worth having because of that.
Rip off- a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced.
That's the definition of a rip off. When compared to most other DLC items on PSN, this is overpriced.
That's not how economics work man.
They will charge what people are willing to pay. If the price is palatable, it is fair.
Any opinion you have is just that, an opinion.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
By the way, this isn't your thread. This is one thread you happened to create on a public forum. Big difference. This is ZOS territory here, not yours. Common courtesy is not an option, it's the rule.
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
Way more people would buy this stuff it weren't so ridiculous. Someone mentioned they had lay offs, obviously they're not doing stupendously even if they're not doing horrible either.
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✭✭✭✭✭You really understand nothing in economics.
Layoffs in many industries, including the gaming industries, are adjustments to temporary and seasonal extra workloads, or better said the end of those extra workloads. It says absolutely nothing about the financial health of said industries. Even if you're a millionaire you're not going to keep employees on your payroll if you've got no work for them to do.
As to how many people would buy the crown store shop if it were cheaper, you know you would, you don't know for anyone else. You're guessing, that's all.Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on September 18, 2015 1:51AM1 -
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✭Again OP is not listening or keeping an open mind. He is not hearing that what he thinks is unreasonable can be reasonable for many people. We acknowledge that you think that way but you can't expect everyone to agree with you.Edited by Qyrk on September 18, 2015 1:52AM1 -
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✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
Way more people would buy this stuff it weren't so ridiculous. Someone mentioned they had lay offs, obviously they're not doing stupendously even if they're not doing horrible either.
Someone also mentioned in the same post that lay-offs were common practice in this industry and more of a readjustment after a big launch. You must have missed it, accidentally of course. Games doing well. Everybody on PC is running around in pretty costumes and riding on cosmic horses.2 -
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✭Callous2208 wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
Way more people would buy this stuff it weren't so ridiculous. Someone mentioned they had lay offs, obviously they're not doing stupendously even if they're not doing horrible either.
Someone also mentioned in the same post that lay-offs were common practice in this industry and more of a readjustment after a big launch. You must have missed it, accidentally of course. Games doing well. Everybody on PC is running around in pretty costumes and riding on cosmic horses.
He's telling the truth, I seen it.0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »By the way, this isn't your thread. This is one thread you happened to create on a public forum. Big difference. This is ZOS territory here, not yours. Common courtesy is not an option, it's the rule.
"ZOS Territory", Stop talking like you're some kind of enforcer for them. They're just leading and managing it, no different than a police force. If there were no users here, what good would their "territory" be?Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance1 -
Callous2208 wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
Way more people would buy this stuff it weren't so ridiculous. Someone mentioned they had lay offs, obviously they're not doing stupendously even if they're not doing horrible either.
Someone also mentioned in the same post that lay-offs were common practice in this industry and more of a readjustment after a big launch. You must have missed it, accidentally of course. Games doing well. Everybody on PC is running around in pretty costumes and riding on cosmic horses.
Yes I know they probably have yearly lay offs, but the way people were talking here made it seem like it was once a major announcement or breaking news.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
Way more people would buy this stuff it weren't so ridiculous. Someone mentioned they had lay offs, obviously they're not doing stupendously even if they're not doing horrible either.
Someone also mentioned in the same post that lay-offs were common practice in this industry and more of a readjustment after a big launch. You must have missed it, accidentally of course. Games doing well. Everybody on PC is running around in pretty costumes and riding on cosmic horses.
Yes I know they probably have yearly lay offs, but the way people were talking here made it seem like it was once a major announcement or breaking news.
Because the nay-sayers and harbingers of doom are desperate to say whatever negative things they can and exaggerate its impact on reality.0 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
Way more people would buy this stuff it weren't so ridiculous. Someone mentioned they had lay offs, obviously they're not doing stupendously even if they're not doing horrible either.
Someone also mentioned in the same post that lay-offs were common practice in this industry and more of a readjustment after a big launch. You must have missed it, accidentally of course. Games doing well. Everybody on PC is running around in pretty costumes and riding on cosmic horses.
Yes I know they probably have yearly lay offs, but the way people were talking here made it seem like it was once a major announcement or breaking news.
Because the nay-sayers and harbingers of doom are desperate to say whatever negative things they can and exaggerate its impact on reality.
I just hope the OP can understand that last part as its relevant to his posts on this thread
Edited by Qyrk on September 18, 2015 2:04AM3 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I didn't say they had to remove them, I said they should cost less and they should [because....]
Just a little advice...if you want to be taken seriously, fill in the bracketed part of that statement.
I filled in that bracket multiple times. There's nothing reasonable about me paying $25 for a cosmetic horse. That's the price of most DLC BUNDLES on PSN. That isn't reasonable.
That's the thing. For you 25$ isn't reasonable. But 2$ would be reasonable and you would buy it at that price. I wouldn't. Because for me even 1$ for a cosmetic item isn't something I'm willing to pay.
Difference between you and me is that I don't consider myself as the universal rule, and I realize that me not wanting to pay that price doesn't make said price "ridiculous", "overpriced", "rip-off" or whatever. The price is the price and I'm not willing to buy at that price, end of story.
Way more people would buy this stuff it weren't so ridiculous. Someone mentioned they had lay offs, obviously they're not doing stupendously even if they're not doing horrible either.
Someone also mentioned in the same post that lay-offs were common practice in this industry and more of a readjustment after a big launch. You must have missed it, accidentally of course. Games doing well. Everybody on PC is running around in pretty costumes and riding on cosmic horses.
Yes I know they probably have yearly lay offs, but the way people were talking here made it seem like it was once a major announcement or breaking news.
Because the nay-sayers and harbingers of doom are desperate to say whatever negative things they can and exaggerate its impact on reality.
I just hope the OP can understand that last part as its relevant to his posts on this thread
So refreshing to see someone who appreciates a bit of subtlety.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »By the way, this isn't your thread. This is one thread you happened to create on a public forum. Big difference. This is ZOS territory here, not yours. Common courtesy is not an option, it's the rule.
"ZOS Territory", Stop talking like you're some kind of enforcer for them. They're just leading and managing it, no different than a police force. If there were no users here, what good would their "territory" be?
Haha, it's not like "your" thread would exist without its contributors !
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The Crown Store is there for people who don't want to pay a monthly fee which would be most of the games population so either you keep the monthly fee or you have an in-game store and no monthly fee. The fact that ESO is full price and has an in-game store is irrelevant because the monthly fee is completely optional, most free to play games also have optional monthly fees and an in-game store. Now would it be better if ESO didn't need a up front $60 perhaps but again it's rather irrelevant because either you have a mandatory monthly fee or an optional one.
Now as for the pricing for Crown Store items, yes the prices are high but dose that really matter most of the items are completely cosmetic and has no baring on gameplay. Either you want the items bad enough to pay for them or you don't it's that simple.0 -
RSram✭✭✭✭✭The pricing of the crowns and that bungling of the items is to force you to buy more crowns than you need to just to but the one item you really want. It's a common marketing strategy.
The only way this tactic will stop is if the ESO gamer's boycott the crown store, but I doubt that this will ever happen.
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✭Again compared to other games which would be F2P and we all know ZoS is B2P are higher than what ZoS charges.
Now lets look at the price of the box so you can play the game. The price for the box is used mostly to pay the share holders that helped pay to make the game.
Next is how does the company keep the lights on, pay the coders, and maintain the servers. That at the start was what the monthly sub was for. Now ZoS said because of XBOX and Microsoft they could not use the sub because Microsoft doesn't allow that sort of cost (I made a few statements about that when it was first brought up and am not going to rehash that here). So now we have a company that needs to pay the bills and the only way to do it is thru ESO+ and crown store. If they did not do this there would be no ESOTU!
So now we have a person who thinks he should only pay 2 dollars for an item in the store. I disagree with that because in the long run ZoS would end up losing money just by the transactions. So the items I see in the crown store are reasonable to me by comparing it to other games. Heck I would tell him to go play Lord of the Rings Online and even if you pay the sub over there you will still end up buying stuff from the store because of certain things you need in the game. For example the daily tasks. Now to me that is ripping off the subbed players (you can't use gold to increase it) but still the game is fun and people end up paying it.
So now we come to what he keeps saying over and over and to me this is all over a persons view of him not having to pay anything to keep the game running. He wants it all for free (paying 2 dollars for an item would be giving it away for free), heck I bet he thinks the price of the box was way to much when in today's market for these type of games is also very reasonable.
Personally I think he needs to take a class on business just to understand how the economics work in today's world. The sad part is after this long in this thread he clearly will never get it and he at least to me is exactly the problem with a lot of our younger generation today.
I am so happy when I watch my grand kids and how their parents make them do chores and what they pay them to do it. Even thou it isn't a lot they are being taught that nothing is free in this life and will help them along later in life.
Ok I said enough in this thread and I bet I will be called names by the OP again because he will not understand or like my response to his post.
P.S.
To the poster that said "The only way this tactic will stop is if the ESO gamer's boycott the crown store", just so you understand if that would ever happen then there would be no ESOTU.Edited by BigM on September 18, 2015 4:01AM“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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likelolwhat✭✭✭✭...Well, at least you aren't demanding class changes anymore. Got distracted by something else that offended your sense of entitlement, OP?Forever looking for that one avatar that no one else has...
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✭I think that the op is just grinding forum stars.
Just not quite sure what he gets out of it. I have a ton of forum stars, but.. they mean nothing. Heck, when ZoS takes that category out, they disappear. I forgot how many LoLs I had when they went away.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.0 -
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Because the nay-sayers and harbingers of doom are desperate to say whatever negative things they can and exaggerate its impact on reality.
HEEEEYYyY, hey.. I resemble that remark. And stop giving nay-sayers and Hargingers bad names... We serve a purpose.. unlike.. Well. Lets just leave it at that.
(Edited to add) BTW, this harbinger really has had to suck it up, after saying this DLC would be the death of the "were". The children of Hircine are stronger than ever.Edited by Darlgon on September 18, 2015 4:47AMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.1 -
icontested✭✭✭✭I passed up on purchasing 3 other video games because I'm too involved with ESO. Another game is a waste of my time and money being as I play ESO. I spend that money in the crown store. I would rather enhance the game I like with the money I would have wasted on a game I would not have liked. Voted and Current reigning champion of most handsome ESO player of 2013-20160 -
Milktray✭✭✭If you don't like the prices, don't buy it .. even before the game was released on pc it was known that it would be Sub & Crownstore
They removed the sub, so be happy your not paying thatZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing0 -
dlepi24✭✭✭✭I wasn't even aware I was forced to buy things out of the crown store. This is outrageous!0 -
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