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The "Crown Store" is currently a horrible business practice and I refuse to support it as is.
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Tannakaobi wrote: »While we are at it, how about a bit of life in the vanity pets. My Dog does not do anything. Why no random emotes like licking it's butt, or wagging it's tail? Rip of galore!
You can teach its ass to do that stuff. I can't teach my virtual $8 dollar cat to do jack. All it would do is remind of how I let Zenimax's devs screw me each time I play the game.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
13igTyme✭✭✭MudcrabsRus wrote: »MudcrabsRus wrote: »MudcrabsRus wrote: »MudcrabsRus wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
You don't need to pay to play the game? No subscription required, and if your talking about plsystation plus, you would have got that anyway for other games.... I do agree with the crowns being overpriced, and also their fly tactics with the DLC " hey it's only 2,500 crowns but wait, you got to pay for the 3,000 pack if you don't have your enitial 500 crowns from launch"
You have to buy the disk or Down load.
Stating the obvious here, I didn't think that was worth mentioning, you know, because you do need to pay for games.
Ever heard of Free to play games. They are free to download and play, but either offer a subscription or micro transactions. Thus the meaning of the term FREE TO PLAY. So yea, I'm going to make a statement about it. Deal with it.
Well..... You payed for it, how does it feel?
Terrible.
Good, you should stick with your so called "free games" pay to win (cough) not really free (cough) (cough)
Not all free to play game are pay to win. DCUO isn't pay to win, at least not when I stopped playing. That's just one example.
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✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
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stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
You, sir, are everything that's wrong with humanity. *points to the door*
So not purposely allowing myself to get ripped off is bad for humanity? While you're sitting in your computer chair admiring your cute little $8 virtual rat, thinking Zenimax did you a favour? That's not the kind of world any sensible person wants to live in.
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PinoZino✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Get over it. If the market doesn't buy this stuff, they will lower their prices.
And you can bet that they researched before launch the 'ideal price' in terms of profit maximization.
In economics, profit maximization is the short run or long run process by which a firm determines the price and output level that returns the greatest profit.
The price of a product is not what it cost plus a little profit, but what the market likes to pay for.
Example:
a) Item x costs $100 and is resulting in 10 sales. Revenue: $1000
b) The same Item x costs $200 and is resulting in 6 sales. Revenue: $1200
Most companies would go for option b). Sometimes they don't, if they want marketshare or get rid of an old stock.
There's nothing wrong with profit maximization, since most companies use it.
There's nothing wrong with profit maximisation when the product is actually worth what they're charging. Cheap little vanity items are not worth $8.00. It probably only took them 5 minutes to make and cost them 0 cents. Yet they want to charge $8 for it, get the hell out of here with that.
But that's your opinion. They just look at the raw data.
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Vote with your wallet.
None is forcing you to pay for crowns. It is merely cosmetics.
If enough people refuse to pay the price the price will change.
I have heard of people who bought epic motifs on the crown store and bought mount training.
To me it is ridiculous but not to them. I would not pay 1 cent for anything I could get in the game, but others might.
Vote with your wallet.
This is false. Corporate businesses would rather have less customers and sell at high prices so long as the profit margin is good.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »While we are at it, how about a bit of life in the vanity pets. My Dog does not do anything. Why no random emotes like licking it's butt, or wagging it's tail? Rip of galore!
You can teach its ass to do that stuff. I can't teach my virtual $8 dollar cat to do jack. All it would do is remind of how I let Zenimax's devs screw me each time I play the game.
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »There's nothing wrong with profit maximisation when the product is actually worth what they're charging. Cheap little vanity items are not worth $8.00. It probably only took them 5 minutes to make and cost them 0 cents. Yet they want to charge $8 for it, get the hell out of here with that.
Not sure what your point is.
There's no such thing as "a price an item's worth".
As long as there's a customer to buy at any given price, then the item was worth this price to that person.
Then as someone mentioned before, companies do market analysis to see how many people would consider worth buying at any given price. They end up with a curve representing the function (X*Y=Z) where X is the price variable, Y the numbers of sales variables, and Z the resulting income variable. And position themselves where they want in this curve.
Please try to understand basic economics before shouting that you're getting ripped off (noone forces you to buy) or that ZOS make dumb decisions and you'd do it better than they do.
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Trashy Boy✭✭Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »You realize that you can play the game while completely ignoring the crown store, right?
Exactly what Cinnamon_Spider said,......you do not HAVE to use the crown store,......Just play the game
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The only people who would buy that rat are the ones who actually want it and think it's worth paying for. You are in no way forced to purchase a pet.. so I don't really understand that argumentRinneganDovahkiin wrote: »While you're sitting in your computer chair admiring your cute little $8 virtual rat, thinking Zenimax did you a favour? That's not the kind of world any sensible person wants to live in.
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »There's nothing wrong with profit maximisation when the product is actually worth what they're charging. Cheap little vanity items are not worth $8.00. It probably only took them 5 minutes to make and cost them 0 cents. Yet they want to charge $8 for it, get the hell out of here with that.
Not sure what your point is.
There's no such thing as "a price an item's worth".
As long as there's a customer to buy at any given price, then the item was worth this price to that person.
Then as someone mentioned before, companies do market analysis to see how many people would consider worth buying at any given price. They end up with a curve representing the function (X*Y=Z) where X is the price variable, Y the numbers of sales variables, and Z the resulting income variable. And position themselves where they want in this curve.
Please try to understand basic economics before shouting that you're getting ripped off (noone forces you to buy) or that ZOS make dumb decisions and you'd do it better than they do.
Okay, I don't care about that. That was never my point anyway. They're still overcharging. No one's charging $8 for vanity items, the average prices for those items are between $1.99-4.99. That's what I expect, more or less.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
Cillion3117 wrote: »If you don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved.
That doesn't solve my problem because I still want it, just not at those ridiculous cheapskate prices.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Okay, I don't care about that. That was never my point anyway. They're still overcharging. No one's charging $8 for vanity items, the average prices for those items are between $1.99-4.99. That's what I expect, more or less.
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✭✭✭✭✭I think OP likes the crown store stuff and would like to buy them but cannot afford or would like to have them cheaper. He/She just pretend it's crap and rip-off out of frustration.
Oh, and no, virtual pets are not like real pets... maybe ZOS is being dishonest at not mentioning it in big, big letters before purchasing ? But then they should also mention that they're not meant to be put in the washing machine...2 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Cillion3117 wrote: »If you don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved.
That doesn't solve my problem because I still want it, just not at those ridiculous cheapskate prices.
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RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Okay, I don't care about that. That was never my point anyway. They're still overcharging. No one's charging $8 for vanity items, the average prices for those items are between $1.99-4.99. That's what I expect, more or less.
I didn't realise you were the pricing manager of the Internet. Good to know.
I've played enough games to notice. Individual costumes are usually around 1.99, while individual characters and costume bundles are usually around 2.99-4.99. ESO isn't even selling characters for obvious reasons, yet they charge nearly double the average costume pack bundle.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭I do understand your frustration. But the thing is if some people buy all these things at the current prices, why would ZOS change them? I agree that they cleverly price items so that you need to buy more than you need, but in the end it's up to you. My first set of crowns was used for Guar mount and then I waited for a decent pet to come out to use the 700 left over. Ended up buying the Daedrat.
I originally thought that the crown lessons for mounts were rip offs, until I realised it was going to take 20 days before I could see armour on my mount, actually 30 days as I'm going on holiday soon. So I bought the stamina pack to help speed up the process. I know I'm paying for something you get in game, but I felt that the speed was worth it.Priests of Hircine
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I've played enough games to notice. Individual costumes are usually around 1.99, while individual characters and costume bundles are usually around 2.99-4.99. ESO isn't even selling characters for obvious reasons, yet they charge nearly double the average costume pack bundle.
And I've played games where the costumes were over £5 ($7.70ish), which were also locked to your character and not your account.2 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭I really wish they'd kept the mandatory sub. The focus on the crown store is detracting from the rest of the game. What's worse, I don't think their current strategy of selling (mostly) cosmetic items is paying the bills (partly due to how lacklustre the cosmetic items are), which means increasingly they will be forced to target the whales and I can see them moving toward modifying the gameplay, through nerfs, introducing lengthy grinds, etc., in order to sell experience pots and worse.
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PinoZino✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »There's nothing wrong with profit maximisation when the product is actually worth what they're charging. Cheap little vanity items are not worth $8.00. It probably only took them 5 minutes to make and cost them 0 cents. Yet they want to charge $8 for it, get the hell out of here with that.
Not sure what your point is.
There's no such thing as "a price an item's worth".
As long as there's a customer to buy at any given price, then the item was worth this price to that person.
Then as someone mentioned before, companies do market analysis to see how many people would consider worth buying at any given price. They end up with a curve representing the function (X*Y=Z) where X is the price variable, Y the numbers of sales variables, and Z the resulting income variable. And position themselves where they want in this curve.
Please try to understand basic economics before shouting that you're getting ripped off (noone forces you to buy) or that ZOS make dumb decisions and you'd do it better than they do.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »There's nothing wrong with profit maximisation when the product is actually worth what they're charging. Cheap little vanity items are not worth $8.00. It probably only took them 5 minutes to make and cost them 0 cents. Yet they want to charge $8 for it, get the hell out of here with that.
Not sure what your point is.
There's no such thing as "a price an item's worth".
As long as there's a customer to buy at any given price, then the item was worth this price to that person.
Then as someone mentioned before, companies do market analysis to see how many people would consider worth buying at any given price. They end up with a curve representing the function (X*Y=Z) where X is the price variable, Y the numbers of sales variables, and Z the resulting income variable. And position themselves where they want in this curve.
Please try to understand basic economics before shouting that you're getting ripped off (noone forces you to buy) or that ZOS make dumb decisions and you'd do it better than they do.
Okay, I don't care about that. That was never my point anyway. They're still overcharging. No one's charging $8 for vanity items, the average prices for those items are between $1.99-4.99. That's what I expect, more or less.
You still don't get it. It doesn't matter what you feel is a nice price, it's the market that will decide.
An iPhone is overcharged too. But enough people don't mind the price and buy it anyway.
Probably they are, like most companies, also performing some price skimming. At a sudden point not enough people will buy those gadgets anymore as a result it can be more profitable to lower the price at that moment.
Besides profit maximazation they have to look at other figures too. For some items it wouldn't be wise if they are too cheap. Else everyone would buy it and then you disturb the economy in the game.
If a bundle of all purple motifs would cost $1, too many players would buy it. At such the purple motifs you can find for free in the wild are worth nothing.
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I've played enough games to notice. Individual costumes are usually around 1.99, while individual characters and costume bundles are usually around 2.99-4.99. ESO isn't even selling characters for obvious reasons, yet they charge nearly double the average costume pack bundle.
Oh yes !! and most cars cost 30K $, Mercedes costs 150K $ that's insane, Mercedes is ripping off their customers !!! And you'll have to pay for oil on top of that !!! That's a total rip-off each time I drive my car !!
I still would like a new Mercedes for 30K $ though, that'd be great. Why doesn't Mercedes do that ? They would sell many more cars and make more profit... Humanity would be much better off without Mercedes !!! I will make it my personal crusade to speak up about Mercedes prices everywhere !
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notimetocare wrote: »What is with the entitlement of people these days...
Oh here we go, DLC defender's favourite word. Am I not a PAYING customer? Explain to me what I think I'm entitled to.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭It seems like you're pretty much an expert on how to price these items. Why don't you just take over the marketing department of the company then? Oh wait, you're not. If this is how they're pricing, fine. For every people that think these cosmetic items is too expensive, there are plenty more that think it is not and buy it.
Again, prices are subjective - what you think is expensive can be just the right price for another person.Edited by Qyrk on September 17, 2015 12:10PM2 -
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I've played enough games to notice. Individual costumes are usually around 1.99, while individual characters and costume bundles are usually around 2.99-4.99. ESO isn't even selling characters for obvious reasons, yet they charge nearly double the average costume pack bundle.
Oh yes !! and most cars cost 30K $, Mercedes costs 150K $ that's insane, Mercedes is ripping off their customers !!! And you'll have to pay for oil on top of that !!! That's a total rip-off each time I drive my car !!
I still would like a new Mercedes for 30K $ though, that'd be great. Why doesn't Mercedes do that ? They would sell many more cars and make more profit... Humanity would be much better off without Mercedes !!! I will make it my personal crusade to speak up about Mercedes prices everywhere !
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Except a Mercedes is actually worth more than those cars. A virtual dog is not worth more than Jason in MKX.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Except a Mercedes is actually worth more than those cars. A virtual dog is not worth more than Jason in MKX.
How ?
A 30K $ car will drive you to work and shopping and holidays and fulfill your transportation needs just as fine as a Mercedes. I understand a Mercedes can be faster but there are speed limits anyway so that's useless. Really, Mercedes is ripping off their customers.
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I agree, I would rather they have no income and the game failed meaning I could never play again.
Also their prices are pretty standard to most MMO's these days.
As you've said in the thread title though, if you don't like it then don't support it. Play the game without any of the extra items from the store.
There's nothing standard about charging $8+ for vanity items. They could charge reasonable prices and still make decent income. This, however, is overboard.
Oh how the inexperienced complain! The prices here are fairly reasonable in comparison with other B2P and F2P games that offer a store, if you want to see extortionate prices check out EVE Online, a game that offered a cosmetic monocle you don't even see in game apart from on a tiny character portrait for $70, and they're stil subscription based! or check out The Secret World where a pair of sun glasses costs $15.
As to the issue about selling in packs, that's pretty industry standard, nearly every single B2P or F2P mmo that has its own store currency has set packs of their currency, they do it that way because it's easier to keep track of and administrate.
Here are some examples off the top of my head ...
FunCom Points (AOC/TSW). Note: TSW's DLC is usually 1800 points, but you have to buy 2400!
Zen (NW/STO etc). Note: ST's DLC is usually 6000 zen, meaning you have to buy 11000 zen!
Turbine Points (LOTRO/D&DO). Note: LOTRO's zones are gated behind purchases, costing on average 900 points (some are more some are less), meaning you have to buy 1250 points!
We actually have it good here, please don't spoil it.Edited by Belidos on September 17, 2015 12:16PM6 -
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »There's nothing wrong with profit maximisation when the product is actually worth what they're charging. Cheap little vanity items are not worth $8.00. It probably only took them 5 minutes to make and cost them 0 cents. Yet they want to charge $8 for it, get the hell out of here with that.
Not sure what your point is.
There's no such thing as "a price an item's worth".
As long as there's a customer to buy at any given price, then the item was worth this price to that person.
Then as someone mentioned before, companies do market analysis to see how many people would consider worth buying at any given price. They end up with a curve representing the function (X*Y=Z) where X is the price variable, Y the numbers of sales variables, and Z the resulting income variable. And position themselves where they want in this curve.
Please try to understand basic economics before shouting that you're getting ripped off (noone forces you to buy) or that ZOS make dumb decisions and you'd do it better than they do.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »There's nothing wrong with profit maximisation when the product is actually worth what they're charging. Cheap little vanity items are not worth $8.00. It probably only took them 5 minutes to make and cost them 0 cents. Yet they want to charge $8 for it, get the hell out of here with that.
Not sure what your point is.
There's no such thing as "a price an item's worth".
As long as there's a customer to buy at any given price, then the item was worth this price to that person.
Then as someone mentioned before, companies do market analysis to see how many people would consider worth buying at any given price. They end up with a curve representing the function (X*Y=Z) where X is the price variable, Y the numbers of sales variables, and Z the resulting income variable. And position themselves where they want in this curve.
Please try to understand basic economics before shouting that you're getting ripped off (noone forces you to buy) or that ZOS make dumb decisions and you'd do it better than they do.
Okay, I don't care about that. That was never my point anyway. They're still overcharging. No one's charging $8 for vanity items, the average prices for those items are between $1.99-4.99. That's what I expect, more or less.
You still don't get it. It doesn't matter what you feel is a nice price, it's the market that will decide.
An iPhone is overcharged too. But enough people don't mind the price and buy it anyway.
Probably they are, like most companies, also performing some price skimming. At a sudden point not enough people will buy those gadgets anymore as a result it can be more profitable to lower the price at that moment.
Besides profit maximazation they have to look at other figures too. For some items it wouldn't be wise if they are too cheap. Else everyone would buy it and then you disturb the economy in the game.
If a bundle of all purple motifs would cost $1, too many players would buy it. At such the purple motifs you can find for free in the wild are worth nothing.
I'm typing this on an iPhone 6. I'm able to do more with an iPhone 6 than I'm able to do with any cheaper smartphone out there. I can't do more with an $8 costume than I can with a $2 costume. And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭✭As long as they don't start with the .99 rubbish. I'm so sick of shops doing this silly .99 thing. £9.99? Call it what it is - £10.
I buy things I like. Gaming is my hobby.
Some people spend their money on smokes. I don't get why they would clearly waste their money to commit slow suicide (IMO), but it's their money. As long as they don't befoul my breathing space, it's not my business.
I spend mine on my hobbies.
People spend on different things. You think it's too expensive? Fine, don't buy anything. Vote with your wallet.RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend, my Shining Light. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.0 -
PinoZino✭✭✭✭Sir RinneganDovahkiin,
Maybe you should look at it from another point of view.
Because enough people buy these 'overpriced' items, you can play the game for almost free.
Isn't that wonderful?
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