Feedback: Shieldbreaker 5p-set - it´s OP and should not go live.

Yakidafi · August 2015

This set is like detect pots except it takes up 5 slots, I think it need a buff instead of nerf.

kaithuzar · August 2015

I say forget the set, make a potion that does this.
Also, the only reason why ANYBODY would use this set is due to the large number of sorc's QQ'ing & crying on forum threads like this one.
If I saw 50 sorcs complaining (that were previously unkillable in live) I would go out & wreck them too; just sayin

Elijah_Crow · August 2015

I love this set!

FearlessOne_2014 · August 2015

Oh gossh it's time for people to get into other factions and the just randomly pop Barrier and laugh as their friends on the other faction nukes a whole raid group or two. AHAHAHHAAHHA it's going to be worst then the damage most spies cause on Eve Online. one or two people on a faction working for the other side can really change the course of a whole campaign. Sounds lovely don't it. "Ok guys I'm about to pop barrier on these fools get ready to wipe them useing only light attack spam...... and GOGOGOGO!"

#getreadyforoutofnowherepwnageofwholeraidgroups

Dracane · August 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Long story short, you're just going to have to adjust your playstyle or loadout, just like tanks are having to. You'll live. Not everyone is going to use this set, and not everyone uses shields.

From what I've heared, nothing has changed about tanks in pvp. Can't imagine this is true, but everyone tells me, DK tanks are even more unkillable and permablock as always.

Wreuntzylla · August 2015

Derra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

So you have to wear some heavy armor, run purge and slot a heal or two. Sounds like a perfect description of a Templar on live.

With the exception that a templar on live has a burstheal that he can heal his grpmates with. A nontemplar giving out healing ward to low hp targets makes them freekills. But yeah - almost like a templar - almost.

How is group utility even relevant? The discussion is about sorc survivability and whether shieldbreaker is too powerful.

And I have no clue what your point is with healing ward. You know sorcs that spam healing ward when no one has taken damage yet? Or think the result is much different coming from the typical templar doing the same? Or templars PvP with high health?

My sorc has 14k health and some change, and I use healing ward any time my hardened and/or harness is bursted and I actually lose health. It's the main reason I can 1vX. Sure, my templar has breath of life, but even with 2500 magicka regen, if I spam BoL, I'd be dead at about the same time as the sorc in the video.

The only templar with survivability comparable to a sorc is a blocking stamplar. I have played around with that, and it's arguably more powerful in 1vX than stacking shields. However, there won't be many blocking stamplars after the next patch. While shieldbreaker will be used by people that consider sorcs such a threat that they sacrifice better gear to counter them, block has been completely eviscerated for everyone.

Not sure I have ever seen a sorc block build.

I agree the bug needs fixed, but that's about it.

OGLezard · August 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Long story short, you're just going to have to adjust your playstyle or loadout, just like tanks are having to. You'll live. Not everyone is going to use this set, and not everyone uses shields.

@Akavir_Sentinel you do realize that there are multiple sets now for healers that give anyone healed by them shields right.... even if it is only a 850 point shield you will still take 2k damage from this set just for having the shield on. All you have to do is run through a heal or have a smart heal target you and BAM you get a shield and someone with that set light attacks you and gets you..... I think you greatly underestimate the crazy crap that is about to happen lol

Darnathian · August 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ace_SiN wrote: »

OMG a counter actually counters what it's meant to counter! Please nerf.

Well they might aswell impletement a set that deals 2150 irresistable dmg when someone blocks or dodges an attack.
I agree that the set should be useful against shields but in it´s current form it destroys anyone utilizing dmg absorbing effects.

I'd be fine with such a set. You aren't supposed to spam roll dodge anyhow, or hold block forever...

Nor should you be spamming shield 24/7 either, especially vs someone using this specific set that is utterly useless against every other build.

You aren't instantly killed by player hitting you with this set: you have time to react, stop shield spam & apply pressure to them.

If you stop using your only defensive tool to put pressure, the ennemy wont stop attacking and will 100% kill you before you even get him ukder 50% hp,, since they (overall) got way more damages, decent hot running and can dodgeroll your attack without wasting a GCD... no?

Using this set makes them deal significantly less damage against targets without damage shield.

You are virtually losing two set bonuses, and cannot get things such as Hunding's (or Air, or Skirmisher) with this set.

This set will be used by stamina builds, and sorcs have good counters vs majority of them (Bolt Escape, mines).
Bow users might be troublesome however, but most of bow damage comes from Snipe which is easy to counter.

Well worth the trade off. I don't care if my kill to death ratio is negative if it means heaps of no skill fotm magicka sorcs. Karma is a ***.

Elijah_Crow · August 2015

OGLezard wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Long story short, you're just going to have to adjust your playstyle or loadout, just like tanks are having to. You'll live. Not everyone is going to use this set, and not everyone uses shields.

@Akavir_Sentinel you do realize that there are multiple sets now for healers that give anyone healed by them shields right.... even if it is only a 850 point shield you will still take 2k damage from this set just for having the shield on. All you have to do is run through a heal or have a smart heal target you and BAM you get a shield and someone with that set light attacks you and gets you..... I think you greatly underestimate the crazy crap that is about to happen lol

So my choice is get hit by 14K wrecking blow or several light attacks that bypass the shield my healer just gave me? I'll take the light attacks please.

Darnathian · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Imagine an unkillable DK tank using this set
It makes him vulnerable, because he cannot block all the time.
But 40 k health and a bit defense is more than enough to live forever in this current patch, he needs no offensive stats, but will eat any shield users alive in a few seconds while being unkillable

Kind of like the opposite of now with sorcs against magicka dk's. Sweet justice.

So funny to see now that there is a counter to sorcs all the complaining. You all are literally arguing there should be a nerf to dodge rollers, perma blockers but not shield stackers. Lol

Armitas · August 2015

The problem with damage shields is that if you want to gank someone before they can fight back you have to take down that shield and by then they will heal up and try to fight back. That is unacceptable! This set needs a buff not a nerf. #NirnIsFine

Dracane · August 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Imagine an unkillable DK tank using this set
It makes him vulnerable, because he cannot block all the time.
But 40 k health and a bit defense is more than enough to live forever in this current patch, he needs no offensive stats, but will eat any shield users alive in a few seconds while being unkillable

Kind of like the opposite of now with sorcs against magicka dk's. Sweet justice.

So funny to see now that there is a counter to sorcs all the complaining. You all are literally arguing there should be a nerf to dodge rollers, perma blockers but not shield stackers. Lol

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not really complaining. I just think this set is a bit too much of a counter at the moment and should be reconsidered before it goes live.

Besides that, I'm fine with this set.

Saturn · August 2015

It clearly does too much damage, the buff in 2.1.2 was way too much.

On the subject of things that shouldn't have been buffed: Molag Kena, I mean, really.. what were they thinking..

SeptimusDova · August 2015

5pc whitestrake just became a liability.

Dracane · August 2015

At the moment, it deals too much damage in a short time. I'm sure it shouldn't be a big problem to adjust it a bit.
Everything in this game needs counters and this set should be a reasonable counter against shields if someone decides to run it.

Aww all these 1v1 guildies

everyone will have this set as a backup when he has to duel a shield user. Ouch

Garion · August 2015

I guess we will have to wait until it goes live so that it starts *** over classes other than sorcs for people to realise the set and the way it works is a joke. At least then we can say "I told you so!"

Wreuntzylla · August 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

5pc whitestrake just became a liability.

Whitestrakes typically saves you from dying to one burst rotation. I'm pretty sure it's the least affected by shieldbreaker.

Armitas · August 2015

Garion wrote: »

I guess we will have to wait until it goes live so that it starts *** over classes other than sorcs for people to realise the set and the way it works is a joke. At least then we can say "I told you so!"

As far as ZOS is concerned you and I are acceptable losses.

Laggus · August 2015

Video shows mostly between 20 to 30 light attacks to beat the player thats not moving, dodging, reflecting LoSing etc etc., and you want it nerfed. Lets make it what then? How about 40 to 50 light attacks, would you be happy then? Probably not.

ItsRejectz · August 2015

It should do damage to the shield and have a cool down... Anyone who thinks this is not overpowered is a complete idiot or a stamina player

SeptimusDova · August 2015

is this a case of a manufactured scenario to derive a favorable outcome in order to leverage an advantage after the pts goes live?

Iyas · August 2015

Shieldbreaker Set is doing fulldmg against blockchars.

Maybe some of the HAHAHAHAH SORC ONLY guys see the problem with the set. Get a random shield from anywhere and get destroyed

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

SeptimusDova · August 2015

Nice its a set that finally works!!!

bowmanz607 · August 2015

Laggus wrote: »

Video shows mostly between 20 to 30 light attacks to beat the player thats not moving, dodging, reflecting LoSing etc etc., and you want it nerfed. Lets make it what then? How about 40 to 50 light attacks, would you be happy then? Probably not.

I agree.
Only getting 2k damage per sec instead of anywhere from 5k-8k or more based on one specific build. I mean come on.

Dracane · August 2015

ItsRejectz wrote: »

It should do damage to the shield and have a cool down... Anyone who thinks this is not overpowered is a complete idiot or a stamina player

Or a blind hater

Yuke · August 2015

Iyas wrote: »

Shieldbreaker Set is doing fulldmg against blockchars.

Maybe some of the HAHAHAHAH SORC ONLY guys see the problem with the set. Get a random shield from anywhere and get destroyed

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

RIP ALL (but stamblades)

Domander · August 2015

The only problem I see is the lack of magicka support for this set. Magicka has more trouble fighting shields than stamina due to harness magicka.

A sorc has other ways of healing, CC, Mobility. If you're going to stand there and try to outheal that, it's probably not the best strategy.

Rev Rielle · August 2015

I think the set is fine. It's a specific use set, so it should be very strong when it's actually useful. After all there are a lot of times in-game when it's bonus will be completely useless to the wearer. So it's a bit of a gamble for the wearer.

AssaultLemming · August 2015

(5 items) Brands of Imperium: 6% chance when taking damage to grant yourself and nearby allies a damage shield that lasts for 8 seconds. This effect has a cooldown of 15 seconds.
(5 items) critical physician Critically healing an ally grants them a 3478 damage shield for 8 seconds. This effect has a cool down of 6 seconds.

I'm just going to leave this here...

Teiji · August 2015

Iyas wrote: »

Shieldbreaker Set is doing fulldmg against blockchars.

Maybe some of the HAHAHAHAH SORC ONLY guys see the problem with the set. Get a random shield from anywhere and get destroyed

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

Tel Var Stone gear is now actually strong as advertised! Amazing, ZoS said TV stone gear is strong and it's true!

If damage shields are not going to be balanced, this set should stay as it is. You can't defend against this because this is a fact and a consequence of instead of adjusting soft caps, removing them entirely. Nick Konkle would never let something like this go on.

Damage shields being brought into line would've been the first thing he brought up in team meetings. Yet they're immune to dots and they're immune to crits, re-dodging has a consequence, blocking has a consequence, shield stacking has no consequence.

Do you know what this set does?

It finally adds a consequence to shield stacking.

Said it before; this set is a placeholder for shield stacking. I love every class in-game, they're all great; this whole manipulation of information in order to make your videogame time easier, or to incite a thread which is "more fun and colourful" is not nice.

Bolt escape away twice and take your free AP / TV stones from their corpse as you curse them down.