Feedback: Shieldbreaker 5p-set - it´s OP and should not go live.

Yuke

What shieldstacking?

did you even see the video?

Iyas

you know that yuke is blocking and getting full shieldbreaker dmg?

Dracane

Teiji wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Shieldbreaker Set is doing fulldmg against blockchars.

Maybe some of the HAHAHAHAH SORC ONLY guys see the problem with the set. Get a random shield from anywhere and get destroyed

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

https://youtu.be/6Ao1xmfFMFY

Tel Var Stone gear is now actually strong as advertised! Amazing, ZoS said TV stone gear is strong and it's true!

If damage shields are not going to be balanced, this set should stay as it is. You can't defend against this because this is a fact and a consequence of instead of adjusting soft caps, removing them entirely. Nick Konkle would never let something like this go on.

Damage shields being brought into line would've been the first thing he brought up in team meetings. Yet they're immune to dots and they're immune to crits, re-dodging has a consequence, blocking has a consequence, shield stacking has no consequence.

Do you know what this set does?

It finally adds a consequence to shield stacking.

Said it before; this set is a placeholder for shield stacking. I love every class in-game, they're all great; this whole manipulation of information in order to make your videogame time easier, or to incite a thread which is "more fun and colourful" is not nice.

Bolt escape away twice and take your free AP / TV stones from their corpse as you curse them down.

You're exaggerating.
And don't sully the remnant of Nick we shall not speak about the dead.

k2blader

Derra wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Grimbim wrote: »

The shieldbreaker set is way too strong at the moment. I have no problem with a fair counter against damage shields, but this set is an automatic win against any build relying on damage shields as defense. It's not just a counter if the only thing you have to do is to repeatedly smash the left mouse button. NB's and Sorc's have no instant heal, healing ward is counterproductive and the heal dot's from the resto skilltree are not strong enough to work against the irresistable damage from the 5p bonus. When i have this set equipped on pts, especially Sorc's or NB's using a damage shield are a free face roll kill.

Remember the set puts you at huge disadvantage against anyone NOT using shields, so if it is just a "fair' counter to shields its not worth having on the battle field. The counter that it has a huge advantage over shield users is what actually makes it balanced on the battle field.

You have to look at this set just like you look at Fighetrs guild abilities vs their targets. It is ment to give you a HUGE advantage over your specific targets, not just a fair counter...... because your at a disadvanage over your non targets.

Vampirism and turning into a werewolf are things players willingly do though and are not essential for anyone to have full functionality. You can´t say the same about the sorc shield nor the resto staff shield. Those skills are essential for a working class / weapon.

The crying over "sorc shields" has gone on so long that is what people believe is the problem without understanding the cause, and they will never change their minds. Zeni forced sorcs in that direction for survivability; so just because you're a magicka sorc you're automatically hated and blamed even if you don't run a heavy Bastion build, or exploits, (and never bolted into the horizon either.)

Teiji

Dracane wrote: »

You're exaggerating.
And don't sully the remnant of Nick we shall not speak about the dead.

I wish I was exaggerating, friend.

If I click my heels three times together the Konk will return. You can't tell me I'm wrong because I'm right. I'm spreading awareness because we need him and his spellcrafting back, with the occasional appearance in a podcast and video talk show.

Shieldbreaker will have a 2 sec CD next patch cycle by the way.

Dracane

Teiji wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You're exaggerating.
And don't sully the remnant of Nick we shall not speak about the dead.

I wish I was exaggerating, friend.

If I click my heels three times together the Konk will return. You can't tell me I'm wrong because I'm right. I'm spreading awareness because we need him and his spellcrafting back, with the occasional appearance in a podcast and video talk show.

Shieldbreaker will have a 2 sec CD next patch cycle by the way.

Bring him back please. He always was my 2nd favorite hottie from Zenimax *-*
My number 1 is someone else he also is my rival. But there's no hate

eliisra

Iyas wrote: »

you know that yuke is blocking and getting full shieldbreaker dmg?

Yes, wtf was that. That set really needs to be re-tweaked. What if you're blocking and some passive proc's a minor shield or a dude nearby uses a shield with "smart targeting" and you get rekt by machine-gun light attacks

That set is suppose to be a weapon against notorious shield stackers, but that proc doesn't give a *** clearly. It does full dmg on anything that even resembles a sliver of a shield, even if the target is blocking.

timidobserver

Sadly Sorcs have been so OP and annoying for some long that I can't be bothered to care about how strong this set is.

SeptimusDova

They did say that they had a surprise for shields.. Well SURPRISE !!! LOL

Septimus_Magna

Unresistable damage that is not affected by the Cyrodiil Battle buff, really?

As for sorcs, its kinda a kick in the balls because we're already forced to slot hardened ward (only defensive skill) and healing ward (no class heals) and now we can add rapid regen (unresistable dmg) and purge (healing debuff). That leaves room for 1 single skill (probably harness magicka) plus an ultimate and thats it for 50% of your sorc skills. If this isnt forcing a single build onto an entire class than I dont know what is..

SeptimusDova

Its Templaritus you contract it when you catch zenimaxs attention.

TheBull

bowmanz607

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Unresistable damage that is not affected by the Cyrodiil Battle buff, really?

As for sorcs, its kinda a kick in the balls because we're already forced to slot hardened ward (only defensive skill) and healing ward (no class heals) and now we can add rapid regen (unresistable dmg) and purge (healing debuff). That leaves room for 1 single skill (probably harness magicka) plus an ultimate and thats it for 50% of your sorc skills. If this isnt forcing a single build onto an entire class than I dont know what is..

Really forced. Light armor users would kill for it. Don't act like a victim in having to use a great utility.

Personofsecrets

This set is something that players will just have to adapt to having around. That being said, thank you for the discussion OP. It is good to someone passionate about the game and I hope that something better is worked out for you.

k2blader

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Unresistable damage that is not affected by the Cyrodiil Battle buff, really?

As for sorcs, its kinda a kick in the balls because we're already forced to slot hardened ward (only defensive skill) and healing ward (no class heals) and now we can add rapid regen (unresistable dmg) and purge (healing debuff). That leaves room for 1 single skill (probably harness magicka) plus an ultimate and thats it for 50% of your sorc skills. If this isnt forcing a single build onto an entire class than I dont know what is..

People are already killing sorcs just fine, but you'll still get no sympathy. Update will turn the landscape into mostly NBs, DKs, and healy templars. If that's what Zeni wants along with fewer subs, so be it. :-P

SeptimusDova

healy templars may become a rarity if the First Union of Templar's(F.U.T) gets off the ground

ToRelax

I feel like talking to a wall here. Do you guys even understand the actual problem? It's fine that the set is strong vs damage shields, yes it should be.
But this set is making damage shields be a reason for the caster to die, they aren't just not worth casting, they are killing you. For many builds who use shields and their synergies as a core skill, that is a huge hit, and for some who rely on them as last line of defense, it is a death sentence.

Derra was not just standing there in the video, he was actually doing what he could to survive excluding two things:
1) dodge roll, wich is nerfed and can be used a maximum of 3 times for most Sorcs now and
2) LOS, wich pretty much equals running away because he can not survive otherwise.
Blocking would not even reduce the damage.

And this is with spamming only freaking light attacks, people! You can add just as many regular skills pressing on the damage shields for everyone using that set.

Forestd16b14_ESO

bowmanz607

ToRelax wrote: »

I feel like talking to a wall here. Do you guys even understand the actual problem? It's fine that the set is strong vs damage shields, yes it should be.
But this set is making damage shields be a reason for the caster to die, they aren't just not worth casting, they are killing you. For many builds who use shields and their synergies as a core skill, that is a huge hit, and for some who rely on them as last line of defense, it is a death sentence.

Derra was not just standing there in the video, he was actually doing what he could to survive excluding two things:
1) dodge roll, wich is nerfed and can be used a maximum of 3 times for most Sorcs now and
2) LOS, wich pretty much equals running away because he can not survive otherwise.
Blocking would not even reduce the damage.

And this is with spamming only freaking light attacks, people! You can add just as many regular skills pressing on the damage shields for everyone using that set.

Listen this set should be hurting shields. That is the exact point. To take sheilds out of the equation. You are assuming that the whole population will be wearing this which is simply inaccurate. In that case I would understand. At best 25 percent of ppl will. That is a very liberal number too. So at worst your sheilds still work 75 percent of the time. Again took you how many light attacks to kill them. The point is to cause significant harm to sheild users to make them feel like nothing. I mean it is called the SHIELDBREAKER!

ToRelax

bowmanz607 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

I feel like talking to a wall here. Do you guys even understand the actual problem? It's fine that the set is strong vs damage shields, yes it should be.
But this set is making damage shields be a reason for the caster to die, they aren't just not worth casting, they are killing you. For many builds who use shields and their synergies as a core skill, that is a huge hit, and for some who rely on them as last line of defense, it is a death sentence.

Derra was not just standing there in the video, he was actually doing what he could to survive excluding two things:
1) dodge roll, wich is nerfed and can be used a maximum of 3 times for most Sorcs now and
2) LOS, wich pretty much equals running away because he can not survive otherwise.
Blocking would not even reduce the damage.

And this is with spamming only freaking light attacks, people! You can add just as many regular skills pressing on the damage shields for everyone using that set.

Listen this set should be hurting shields. That is the exact point. To take sheilds out of the equation. You are assuming that the whole population will be wearing this which is simply inaccurate. In that case I would understand. At best 25 percent of ppl will. That is a very liberal number too. So at worst your sheilds still work 75 percent of the time. Again took you how many light attacks to kill them. The point is to cause significant harm to sheild users to make them feel like nothing. I mean it is called the SHIELDBREAKER!

So if I am outnumbered I usually have no means to defend myself? What a relief, thank you for explainging that to me.

coyteriarwb17_ESO

This is whats going to make console users quit.

ThyIronFist

So... with this set it's actually possible to kill a shield stacking Sorc! Can no longer tank 10 people while blinking around with 30k shield? This is blasphemous!

Nerf it now!

On a more serious note; it's not the set that is the problem - it is the speed of bow light attacks. Compare it to 2h light attacks for example, bow light attacks are like a machine gun and as we all know bows have a stupidly long range. It's insane.

Bow are already insanely stupid at the moment, but the fact that bows are getting buffed yet again (sigh), combined with this certain set, is just ridiculous.

Tone down bow damage and attack speed, don't nerf this set as it's a very good counter against shield stack spam.

cerrudo33

bowmanz607 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

I feel like talking to a wall here. Do you guys even understand the actual problem? It's fine that the set is strong vs damage shields, yes it should be.
But this set is making damage shields be a reason for the caster to die, they aren't just not worth casting, they are killing you. For many builds who use shields and their synergies as a core skill, that is a huge hit, and for some who rely on them as last line of defense, it is a death sentence.

Derra was not just standing there in the video, he was actually doing what he could to survive excluding two things:
1) dodge roll, wich is nerfed and can be used a maximum of 3 times for most Sorcs now and
2) LOS, wich pretty much equals running away because he can not survive otherwise.
Blocking would not even reduce the damage.

And this is with spamming only freaking light attacks, people! You can add just as many regular skills pressing on the damage shields for everyone using that set.

Listen this set should be hurting shields. That is the exact point. To take sheilds out of the equation. You are assuming that the whole population will be wearing this which is simply inaccurate. In that case I would understand. At best 25 percent of ppl will. That is a very liberal number too. So at worst your sheilds still work 75 percent of the time. Again took you how many light attacks to kill them. The point is to cause significant harm to sheild users to make them feel like nothing. I mean it is called the SHIELDBREAKER!

You don't play a sorc or class that uses a shield do you? Given the meta for how pvp works both in cyrodil and IC of the groups remain in the 4-10+ size even 10% of population wears it, shields are useless 99% of the time and actually a detriment to your survivability because let's be real, how much pvp is 1v1?

The person/people that collect this set will lick their lips and destroy magika builds, and guess what, if the sorc particularly is not using shields then they are dead toons walking and only their as true glass cannons that don't have any 1 hit ko moves, no survivability, and after all the complaints a severely nerfed escape... So how is this not going to become part of the pvp meta for most Stam builds? Giving up what, 2-300 wep dmg or whatever to completely negate entire character classes? I think u underestimate the opportunity costs with this set... Negate 2 classes almost completely for some dmg? Sign me up

This would be akin to having another set that does dmg based on if you sprinted recently or not... Try building a sorc that doesn't get obliterated without a shield or one that doesn't tickle you with a feather and can manage without one?

ToRelax

ThyIronFist wrote: »

So... with this set it's actually possible to kill a shield stacking Sorc! Can no longer tank 10 people while blinking around with 30k shield? This is blasphemous!

Nerf it now!

On a more serious note; it's not the set that is the problem - it is the speed of bow light attacks. Compare it to 2h light attacks for example, bow light attacks are like a machine gun and as we all know bows have a stupidly long range. It's insane.

Bow are already insanely stupid at the moment, but the fact that bows are getting buffed yet again (sigh), combined with this certain set, is just ridiculous.

Tone down bow damage and attack speed, don't nerf this set as it's very good counter against shield stack spam.

You can bet I'll have one Sorc in my group use this with Staffs and Overload if it doesnt get nerfed.

Kerioko

Solution to damage shields:

1 - Make all shields scale off max health except:

• harness magicka should scale of magicka since it only is affected by spells
• bone shield should scale of stamina since it is only affected by physical attacks

2 - Make it so no shields that are based on the same stat stack and that the last applied shield overrides the current one.

• Harness magicka would still stack with sorc shield and resto shield since they are based on different stat pools
• class shields that are now all based on health would not stack with resto ward

With these changes, all classes would be able to stack different types of shields, since all have access to bone shield and harness magicka, however the current ability of sorcs to stack shields like crazy would not exist (or atleast not to the extent that any other class was able to stack)

As for the shield breaker set, I think it would be better if it actually fit its name. Give it a proc chance to negate an enemies shield instead of damaging thru it. This would do away with people asking for quicker deaths by using shields!

LegendaryMage

Don't worry my fellow sorcerers, I'm on it! Counters incoming very soon in the form of a video.

Master_Kas

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Don't worry my fellow sorcerers, I'm on it! Counters incoming very soon in the form of a video.

Mage comes in for the rescue !



Edit: Damn lightattacks op. It maybe needs some tweaking/toning down.

Won't be using this set on any of my chars tough. Going full weapdmg and a bit of magicka regen instead on my main stamblade, so no room for it.

TheBull

Next time, streak through him then insta shard him in the face noob.

SRIBES

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Xeniph

Sure it looks strong in the video. The Sorc is literally not doing anything but refreshing shileds, and besides that it took him quite a while to kill that sorc, with what looked like the clip being sped up.

I wouldn't say that the person "destroyed" the Sorc, since all he had to do was slot an actual heal to counter the measly 2.1k getting through the shield. It is clear though, folks will have to rethink their skill usage. Which is a good thing imo.


And to all you folks implying that shield stackers only rely on defense from shields and don't slot at least one heal, you are over dramatizing things. All a player will need to do is slot a heal to compensate for the damage getting through the shield until the ward pops.

Classes can use their abilities to offset, like-

DK- GDB/Whip exploit
Sorc- Dark Deal/Unstable clanfear heal/Surge (Add Blood Magic to offence)
Templar- Any of their heals
NB- Swallow Soul/Path/Sap

And lets not forget Springs/Combat prayer. Looks like it's time to start theory crafting some builds. This is assuming the set even becomes popular, which I highly doubt since it really is only effective against certain builds.