bellanca6561n wrote: »2. We don't want ESO to become like THIS [insert an elf from Terra Online] or another Asian MMO.....
You don't want ESO to have a suspiciously low camera angle?
Honestly, there are definitely things that other games could learn from Tera's armor art, but they'd need to look at the full range of armors. People talk about Tera as if all of its armors were ultra-skimpy, and that is typically what gets publicized, but there are options for characters to be tasteful and/or modest. The player has to choose to use them.
I found the variations in armor types very refreshing in Tera, regardless of how much skin was shown. I'm tired of games reusing the same armor meshes with minimally altered textures for entire ranges of armor pieces.
It's also one of the few games out there that offers a full range of armor appearances (skimpy, fully clothed, wacky, etc.) for both genders, which is an argument that has been raised (justifiably) in every MMO I've ever played.
stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »What few developers seem to be able to grasp is that you can make armor/outfits sexy without making them revealing. The female Templar armor from Hellgate: London (displayed below) for example shows zero skin but is still very sexy.
That being said, the new redguard and orc armor designs are neither sexy nor revealing, but ugly as hell and have no place in a mature rated game.
stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »What few developers seem to be able to grasp is that you can make armor/outfits sexy without making them revealing. The female Templar armor from Hellgate: London (displayed below) for example shows zero skin but is still very sexy.
That being said, the new redguard and orc armor designs are neither sexy nor revealing, but ugly as hell and have no place in a mature rated game.
Have you ever played TES games before? No? Let's break it down this way.
TES has never had skimpy women short of a bad game cover for Arena. Fur armor here and there, but by and large, armor is armor. You want skimpy? You want sexy? Go elsewhere.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »ElfFromSpace wrote: »What happened, did someone decide that ESO can't have any armor that looks even remotely good? This was truly a horrible shock to me logging into the PTS and seeing this change:
PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY DRESS!!!! And, no, I'm not wearing a wedding dress. I love this dress, I get compliments on it nearly daily. Please don't vandalize one of the few cool low level options.
But... they look bigger in the wtf shot.
But... size isn't everything
ElfFromSpace wrote: »They could have improved the textures without adding large constraining bland chest slabs on the medium armor and huge weird looking neck pieces on the light. Maybe the boob window in the orcish armor is a bit silly, but I resent not being given a single option in heavy armor that is fun. This is a FANTASY game and the golden saints wear strangely boob grabbing swirly armor that shows off some chest. I'd like to have a choice if I want to wear something functional looking, or something that looks cool and different.
There's not even anything attractive in the crown store. The "Wedding Dress" is pretty but it's a wedding dress and I have an issue with the only possible feminine looking clothing option being something so costumy. My adventurer doesn't want to be reduced to a housewife! The "Cook" costume is not attractive. Give me a beer-wench costume and I'll wear that around for fun.
If anyone wondered, I AM a woman. I really go out and wear a corset and do reenactments wearing revolutionary war, or renaissance clothing and when I play fantasy game I like to be able to relate. From Xena Warrior Princess to Game of Thrones, it's clear that men and women alike want to be able to see their heros, and the heros that they play, show strength but we like to see them wearing something other than chainmail and platemail.
haidlir1983 wrote: »
Dont you dare to destroy bosmer armor, they suppoust tribal like so is normal it show some skin in females and males as well, as the pic shows, so if you gona work in them, make it better dont "nun" them pelase -
As OP stated, I consider this to be elegant and classy, and in now way distasteful. Five light, 2 heavy:
The argument about realism: First of all, you'll have to cut out a variety of costumes if one wishes to push realism. If you wish to make the most realistic character, and take the time to craft the styles and dye the armor... I'll gladly take the screen shots and post them on the screen shot thread boasting about, and congratulating, your efforts. You have like 13 or 14 other choices that are fully covered. Primal, btw, is not fully covered with metal as it appears to be a good deal of cloth undergarment visual.
But please don't deny my girls their right to flaunt what the gods gave them while they slap daedric beasties around....
The other big issue I have with this whole debate/argument is also the most common fallacy I find in these forums. People so often jump to the extreme. "You pervs need to go play them Asian MMOs!!" I have yet to see anyone asking for plate mail thongs and bikinis. So really... just drop that ridiculous argument/insult-in-disguise.
Once again, my position is just please don't take options away, only add them. Go ahead and add the new covered up armor style, but please add some way of obtaining the old classy elegant look as well. Even if that mean I have to look to the crown store, as long as the option is there.
I tend to think that if you want boobs hanging out go play Tera, Archage, or GW2 that objectifies the hell out of women.
TES has always been more respectful to women - and more practical - armor wise. (except for certain box art.)
Cleavage on something that makes sense like a dress that offers no stats? I'm cool with that. Plate mail - especially for an Orc - Orcs who would know better - that has a boob window is just stupid.
Respect is not about controlling her (or even what she wears), but respect is about not dis-allowing her to have her own choices. So you want a game to control her stats according to her cleavage, as in only allowing cleavage on a dress with no stats? -- and that would be cool with you. Well, that's certainly not very sporting. LOL How about respect, as in not penalizing her for letting her player-character/toon wear whatever dress or armor she wants to. Just sayin'
stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »What few developers seem to be able to grasp is that you can make armor/outfits sexy without making them revealing. The female Templar armor from Hellgate: London (displayed below) for example shows zero skin but is still very sexy.
That being said, the new redguard and orc armor designs are neither sexy nor revealing, but ugly as hell and have no place in a mature rated game.
Have you ever played TES games before? No? Let's break it down this way.
TES has never had skimpy women short of a bad game cover for Arena. Fur armor here and there, but by and large, armor is armor. You want skimpy? You want sexy? Go elsewhere.
Nickhead420 wrote: »Time to allow graphics mods like the other TES games?
SaiHitaku_ESO wrote: »Jesus, everyone here is whining and crying over some damn armor. While the redguard change im indifferent on, the orc change was absolutely necessary.
It's heavy plate armor, having a massive chest window completely destroyed the purpose of having such protective armor. I'm assuming no one here was smart enough to realize, but ESO has been striving to make the weapons and armors realistic and functional. TES games have never been about skimpy women. And no, gods don't count, and neither does the old and outdated designs of arena and daggerfall.
Of course there are some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, these changes are good and needed. Everyone needs to stop crying and whining over such little things. First people cried about unrealistic armor. They change it now people *** about not having skimpy armor. If you don't like it, go play Terra, they got plenty of what you want,