ESO Hides My Cleavage??

ArconSeptim

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

What happened, did someone decide that ESO can't have any armor that looks even remotely good? This was truly a horrible shock to me logging into the PTS and seeing this change:


PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY DRESS!!!! And, no, I'm not wearing a wedding dress. I love this dress, I get compliments on it nearly daily. Please don't vandalize one of the few cool low level options.

Well, then just take the clothes off and run around naked if you want that, nobody in Tamriel will judge you for that

Nefrast

I guess they are just preparing for the new harlot costumes they want to sell through the crown store. ;-)

angelyn

I think the main thing is, that people like the choice of what they want to wear. ZOS has just taken away choice for some people who liked the previous armor. I wear a jerkin instead of the robes when I'm out adventuring. However, when in town or at events I like to wear something a little more revealing..

So give people back the choice, and implement a few more choices! More skirts, more masculine robes ,and any other choices people can think of- although within reason- I'm not sure if say Lady Gaga outfits would not make someone go WTF if they saw that in the middle of Rawl Kha. I suppose though a meat-dress may fit in with Bosmer lore. And my mind has gone off on a tangent

Winnower

High Fantasy has since its inception featured men and women in skimpy outfits from Conan and Red Sonja to Doc Savage to Princess Leia and on and on and on.

Even the body models in character creation don't have the variety and extremes that it would be fun to have. And they sure could have put in more options on a mature rated game.

Give the adult mods historically done for the TES games, I have to say that this game consistently is a raging disappointment with regards to any "adult" content.

bellanca6561n

newtinmpls wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

It's a shame that players armor is getting "uglified"

It's not the "modesty" that I object to as well - it's the fact that these new armors are unattractive.

Unattractive? No. There is an aesthetic poverty, a wretched absence of imagination in these new styles. Not sure the word, unattractive, fits though.

*cough*

To me they mostly reflect fear of so much as a mouse squeak of sexuality.

Rosveen

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh... I don't want to wear a costume. You can't dye them. Why can't they make more armor suited for females? They can do this in a manner that isn't skanky. They need to realize that we females are really tired of wearing armor fit for a male. The only costume I have EVER worn is the V6 because it looks nice on my characters instead of the clunky armor you can't match colors on because some of it is this race and some of it is that race. We don't need to look like we belong in the Ebony Flask but come on ZOS, can we have some armor that is fit for awesome female characters?

Ugh, I'm a woman, but I always cringe when I hear "we females." Or any other argument made by one person, starting with we.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that I don't think it's a female player thing, or even female character. Men playing as female characters are just as interested in this issue as women - and if I had a dollar for every guy running around Tamriel shirtless... If we do revealing, let's do it tastefully and equally. Both sexes like to show off their arm tattoos.

Also, I have absolutely nothing against what you call "armor fit for a male." On the contrary, I greatly enjoy sensible and practical armor and when I saw the Orcish boob window for the first time, I went "well that's just moronic, do you want to get stabbed?" But all things considered, it's a mild example of revealing armor and there's a dozen of other styles available, so I don't mind. I can find something for myself too. Even so, my characters aren't all the same and don't wear armor all the time (casual stroll around town, anyone?) Light armor is the equivalent of traditional Elder Scrolls robes, which are just clothes, and there's no reason why they need protective padding and whatnot. Of course they could have it, but it's not a basic requirement. Let's keep some of them lighter.

Valencer

Liking the new redguard and orc styles. Light Armour may not be the most protective armour, but it's still armour. I've always liked how the armour styles in ESO reflect a Tamriel that is engulfed in a huge war. Even the mage-ish light armour looks like it's ready for battle.

Maybe the answer is to add some more actual clothing to the game? They've already started doing this a bit with some of the Justice System loot.

madfeldoreb17_ESO

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

What happened, did someone decide that ESO can't have any armor that looks even remotely good? This was truly a horrible shock to me logging into the PTS and seeing this change:


PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY DRESS!!!! And, no, I'm not wearing a wedding dress. I love this dress, I get compliments on it nearly daily. Please don't vandalize one of the few cool low level options.

Well what I think in games like this you should have the option to dress how you like, or run naked if that's your pleasure but anyway I hope they do not prevent dressings as especially when we now have the dye thing. Let people dress or undress how they like. That is the beauty of the game, when more and more options are available. There are limits of course, but everyone should "know" where or what they are? Don't limit the options via system.
Just my opinion of course.
Cheers...

Seravi

Rosveen wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh... I don't want to wear a costume. You can't dye them. Why can't they make more armor suited for females? They can do this in a manner that isn't skanky. They need to realize that we females are really tired of wearing armor fit for a male. The only costume I have EVER worn is the V6 because it looks nice on my characters instead of the clunky armor you can't match colors on because some of it is this race and some of it is that race. We don't need to look like we belong in the Ebony Flask but come on ZOS, can we have some armor that is fit for awesome female characters?

Ugh, I'm a woman, but I always cringe when I hear "we females." Or any other argument made by one person, starting with we.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that I don't think it's a female player thing, or even female character. Men playing as female characters are just as interested in this issue as women - and if I had a dollar for every guy running around Tamriel shirtless... If we do revealing, let's do it tastefully and equally. Both sexes like to show off their arm tattoos.

Also, I have absolutely nothing against what you call "armor fit for a male." On the contrary, I greatly enjoy sensible and practical armor and when I saw the Orcish boob window for the first time, I went "well that's just moronic, do you want to get stabbed?" But all things considered, it's a mild example of revealing armor and there's a dozen of other styles available, so I don't mind. I can find something for myself too. Even so, my characters aren't all the same and don't wear armor all the time (casual stroll around town, anyone?) Light armor is the equivalent of traditional Elder Scrolls robes, which are just clothes, and there's no reason why they need protective padding and whatnot. Of course they could have it, but it's not a basic requirement. Let's keep some of them lighter.

I thought I changed the "we" thing, guess not my bad. I just don't want them taking away options. No I don't want TESO to be The Elder Skanks Online but I really feel like they are taking things away only to throw them in the crown shop as a cute costume. We need more armor options. Maybe when/if they release the thieves guild and dark brotherhood there will be more armor. I mostly wear light and medium but I do like my vamp to be somewhat seductive. She is a vamp after all. Strolling into a tavern in clunky dwemer gear isn't going to get her much attention and the poor thing will starve without a sappy victim. Anyway my real issue here is stop taking away what we already have. Add new lines of armor. Call it casual clothing or something.

ElfFromSpace

They could have improved the textures without adding large constraining bland chest slabs on the medium armor and huge weird looking neck pieces on the light. Maybe the boob window in the orcish armor is a bit silly, but I resent not being given a single option in heavy armor that is fun. This is a FANTASY game and the golden saints wear strangely boob grabbing swirly armor that shows off some chest. I'd like to have a choice if I want to wear something functional looking, or something that looks cool and different.
There's not even anything attractive in the crown store. The "Wedding Dress" is pretty but it's a wedding dress and I have an issue with the only possible feminine looking clothing option being something so costumy. My adventurer doesn't want to be reduced to a housewife! The "Cook" costume is not attractive. Give me a beer-wench costume and I'll wear that around for fun.

If anyone wondered, I AM a woman. I really go out and wear a corset and do reenactments wearing revolutionary war, or renaissance clothing and when I play fantasy game I like to be able to relate. From Xena Warrior Princess to Game of Thrones, it's clear that men and women alike want to be able to see their heros, and the heros that they play, show strength but we like to see them wearing something other than chainmail and platemail.

haidlir1983

I like the new textures but not the new design, what is wrong with show some skin, im not saying bikini armor after all the TES game always keep a sense of realism unlike the Jp mmorpg, and i love that, but you have to give the player some eye candy . I love this game and i like Zos for hear what players ask, so i dont want to think this i so you can sell that type of custumes in the crown store

Lynx7386

I'm almost 100% positive that these 'cover up the cleavage' armor changes ZOS is doing are for one purpose alone: To boost sales of skimpy outfits/costumes on the crown store.

Every game developer out there knows that players, especially RPG players, put a very high value on character appearances. Players will go to extremes to make their character look good, whether it be getting bad-arse armor for a male or sexy armor for a female. Chances are that ZOS intends to capitalize on this by limiting in-game obtainable gear to bland or basic models and then offering costumes that show skin or give other 'bad-arse' effects on the crown store, thereby drawing in more profit.

People have been saying it before the b2p change was even confirmed: Cash shop models sacrafice everything to push maximum profit.

newtinmpls

Rosveen wrote: »

I saw the Orcish boob window for the first time, I went "well that's just moronic, do you want to get stabbed?"

People keep mentioning that and forgetting the truly idiotic heavy armor - bosmer - belly shot or back of the knee, anyone??

joshisanonymous

ESO has actually received praise for risking alienating male nerds who haven't spoken to a female in real life in 10 years by offering mostly conservative fashion options for females instead of the basically always oversexualized superboobed pasty wearing options you get in every other MMO. I think there's something good to be said about that.

A female friend of mine has repeatedly had problem with the community for an online game she plays because (very many) gamer dudes simply have no idea how to speak to a woman, or even how to speak around a woman. It's bad enough that the few other females that she plays with have found ways to have their own exclusive communication channel so as to not watch everything they say in case a group of horny dorks decides that women only speak in innuendos that really say "please harass me until I sleep with you." I have very little doubt that this is a real problem with online gaming.

That said, I don't necessarily think the only options should be those that make women look Amish. I also think it's rather pointless to cover them up if ZoS is going to offer equally revealing or more revealing clothing in the crown store.

newtinmpls

joshisanonymous wrote: »

<snip> a group of horny dorks decides that women only speak in innuendos that really say "please harass me until I sleep with you." I have very little doubt that this is a real problem with online gaming.

Yes, this can be offensive, however speaking as someone whose orc battlemage went with redguard heavy armor because she wasn't fond of the upper level "boob window", I can assure you that clothing (revealing or otherwise) is not going to make the difference.

Not too long ago I had three clearly young ... males stand around my character attempting to 'out-cool' each other and it appeared to be based on nothing but 1-her gender (the character's) and 2-she was standing still for more than a moment.

Rosveen

newtinmpls wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I saw the Orcish boob window for the first time, I went "well that's just moronic, do you want to get stabbed?"

People keep mentioning that and forgetting the truly idiotic heavy armor - bosmer - belly shot or back of the knee, anyone??

I had the same reaction. I just mentioned Orcish because it's the one that got changed. Though Bosmer is perhaps more justified because it's only in low level armor and Bosmer culture doesn't particularly care for heavy protection. Maybe. Anyhow, I don't want to see either of them removed.

newtinmpls wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

<snip> a group of horny dorks decides that women only speak in innuendos that really say "please harass me until I sleep with you." I have very little doubt that this is a real problem with online gaming.

Yes, this can be offensive, however speaking as someone whose orc battlemage went with redguard heavy armor because she wasn't fond of the upper level "boob window", I can assure you that clothing (revealing or otherwise) is not going to make the difference.

Not too long ago I had three clearly young ... males stand around my character attempting to 'out-cool' each other and it appeared to be based on nothing but 1-her gender (the character's) and 2-she was standing still for more than a moment.

This kind of thing happened to me only once, but oddly enough, I was playing a male character. Some random guy kneeled in front of me in an obvious position, I moved away, he did it again, then I emote punched him and he gave up. Went to kneel in front of a woman standing nearby, though.

I know waiting for a world boss to respawn is boring, but come on. Do jumping jacks or something.

Recremen

Let's be honest, RPers are currently only using the armor sets because there's literally no other option. I'm fine with armor having a more robust look to it so long as we have a variety of options in the new clothing department. More importantly, however, I'd really like a more robust costuming system where you can mix and match armor/clothing/nothing so you can look how your character -should- appear even when you're doing trials or Cyro.

newtinmpls

What do you mean so we "could" mix and match? I have literally no characters who wear a 'complete' set of any type of armor (light. heavy or medium) because I work to come up with an attractive combo and frankly there are less attractive peices in all the sets.

civilizedsavage

I am in agreement with the general tone of the conversation. I think that they are effectively "nerfing" the armor's sexiness in order to put costumes on the Crown store (same thing they are doing with experience and then enticing you to stack xp boosters).

The fundamental flaw in buying sexy clothes from the Crown store is simple: Costumes, in their current state, are an unfunny joke. If you can't dye it, it's truly pointless, for one. Secondly, people enjoy the freedom of mixing and matching their own ensembles and not looking like everyone else regardless of if its RP, PvE or PvP. I know people who wear low level chest pieces bumped up to max quality just to look the way they want to look.

It's not just about boobs. To try and summarize this entire thing as wanting to look at boobs, either yours or someone else's...is absurd. My husband has a toon that favors the Redguard light male top, and it's hot as oblivion.

It's just the beginning. They ask us our opinion then completely disregard it and make some graphical advertisement to tell us why we should like it better. Notice that there wasn't the lowest level of Redguard armor represented? Get ready because Argonian is going to get it, Bosmer is going to get it, hells, the Khajiit heavy will probably get it too because: shoulders.

newtinmpls

Think about it. If what happens is:

Zeni solicits opinions.

Prefered items are deleted from basic & subscriber games then put into store.

If that were the case, then they would be using the information .... effectively if not nicely.

clocksstoppe

guys post more lewd please.

On a serious note, maybe they want not all of the female armors to have cleavage.

Recremen

newtinmpls wrote: »

What do you mean so we "could" mix and match? I have literally no characters who wear a 'complete' set of any type of armor (light. heavy or medium) because I work to come up with an attractive combo and frankly there are less attractive peices in all the sets.

Oh, same here! But there are items that you might want to wear while questing/doing trials/PvP that you can't because it's an inferior armor piece, right? And certainly you'd never run around barefoot while doing that kind of content, even if that's how your Bosmer or Reachman character is normally played, correct? I'm saying that I'd love a system where my character's look and feel is divorced from whatever stat stick and +5 chestplate he happens to be wearing.

newtinmpls

Good point Recremen, my all time favorite outfit for my battlemage is his lowest level outfit.

Brother_Numsie

Brother_Numsie wrote: »

My character has gone from this:

To this:


They are not even remotely similar!

And my god! What have they done to my...

Are they really almost clear down to my knees?!?


And just checked out one of my other characters....

The before shot:

The after shot:

Ok just to be clearer on this, the above post and pictures are featuring costumes that go in the appearance slot that we already have in the game vs their new appearance in the update.
The top one is the Red Rook Disguise. This one used to have 3-4 variations that looked completely different then the new design and some of them included a hood. We now have only (as far as I can get to spawn) 2 different varieties and no hood.
The Second set of pictures is the Seadrake Disguise. Again we used to have 3-4 variations of this and have now been reduced to just one (maybe 2) options that look nothing like the original design. They have also removed (IMO) the tastefully done show of skin we used to have with it.
There is a pink version of this (not pictured) called Forebear Dishdasha it's been redone exactly the same way and has it's color altered to be more redish. It's also had it's (tasteful) sexiness removed.
Another (not pictured) costume that we have had in game is the Bloodthorn Disguise. We used to have 3-4 options that would spawn for that, now reduced to 1 or 2 neither offer the hood we used to have with it.

They are altering costumes that are in the game already, limiting our choices we already had with currant costumes, and then expecting us to pay more money to have these options back by purchasing them from the crown shop.

Not acceptable.

Kevinmon

You can pay 2000 crowns in the crown store to be slutty again.

Rosveen

Kevinmon wrote: »

You can pay 2000 crowns in the crown store to be slutty again.

Slutty isn't the right word.

ElfFromSpace

I am right now even more crushed. I hadn't yet realized that they were going to take away the only not-hideous pirate costume at the same time. I regularly wear the Seadrake disguise and that new version just doesn't DO it. How the heck am I supposed to dress like a pirate now??? Don't say "Crown Store" the costume isn't even there (yet)!

haidlir1983

Dont you dare to destroy bosmer armor, they suppoust tribal like so is normal it show some skin in females and males as well, as the pic shows, so if you gona work in them, make it better dont "nun" them pelase -

newtinmpls

Brother_Numsie wrote: »

They are altering costumes that are in the game already, limiting our choices we already had with currant costumes, and then expecting us to pay more money to have these options back by purchasing them from the crown shop.

Not acceptable.

If you buy any of this when it comes available in the crown store than you are accepting it.

driosketch

Here's a comparison of the old and new Seadrake costume. Now the old version has a few variations of boots, pants and shirt.

<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020507/uploads/FileUpload/c4/827f7c50e7dfb376ccbc47ca3e2de5.png&quot; />

Note how the new shirt doesn't really match the style. It's almost Star Trek like.

<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020507/uploads/FileUpload/94/dbd6edaf801179a2132d0f9e92469e.png&quot; />