eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Well sorcerers got a huge boost. The daedric summoning line now has a lot more synergy and the pets seem like they don't actually suck anymore.

I got 1 LOL for this comment so far, but I'm really not sure why. I took a template sorcerer and pretty much just ate my way through the mobs in Craglorn. I did this with very little set up and no points spent in the champion system. The pets now taunt, Daedric Curse now causes pets to do more damage to the target, ward seems to be as good as it was before. Please let me know if I missed something.

@eventide03b14a_ESO‌ , while Summoning is drastically improved, I suspect you got the LOL from the fact that a Summoning build should not be the only viable Sorc build, and 1.6+ is certainly trying to push it that direction.

I didn't have time to play around with other builds, but I don't see sorcerers as ever really being viable with stamina in this game. This is a limitation imposed by the devs because they decided to include classes. At least dark exchange has become more versatile now that you can choose how it morphs, but it doesn't work across the board with some of their choices of morphs.

I feel like choosing a handful of morphs that are now "stamina" based actually restricts us further. Just because they have decided that an ability should be stamina based doesn't mean that we as players agree. My nightblade had several abilities that I used to love playing with a stamina build because they didn't eat into my stamina resources.

@eventide03b14a_ESO‌ , the first part is ironic. Completely true, but ironic nonetheless.

Had they based it on the standalone model, none of this would be an issue right now.

Changing magic based options to stamina based options does take the class in a different direction. Not a wrong one, necessarily, but different.

To me, it starts to become more of a subclass.

It would be like DK morphs requiring them to use a bow or have Frost only effects.

I remember a time when Sorcerers were Sorcerers... You know, magic based, spell casting types...

I don't have an issue with stamina based options/skills. I just don't think they necessarily belong in the caster line.

I'd ultimately like to see each class have access to four (4) class skill lines, while only getting to choose three of them.

Stamina based could easily be one of the options that way.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Well sorcerers got a huge boost. The daedric summoning line now has a lot more synergy and the pets seem like they don't actually suck anymore.

I got 1 LOL for this comment so far, but I'm really not sure why. I took a template sorcerer and pretty much just ate my way through the mobs in Craglorn. I did this with very little set up and no points spent in the champion system. The pets now taunt, Daedric Curse now causes pets to do more damage to the target, ward seems to be as good as it was before. Please let me know if I missed something.

@eventide03b14a_ESO‌ , while Summoning is drastically improved, I suspect you got the LOL from the fact that a Summoning build should not be the only viable Sorc build, and 1.6+ is certainly trying to push it that direction.

I didn't have time to play around with other builds, but I don't see sorcerers as ever really being viable with stamina in this game. This is a limitation imposed by the devs because they decided to include classes. At least dark exchange has become more versatile now that you can choose how it morphs, but it doesn't work across the board with some of their choices of morphs.

I feel like choosing a handful of morphs that are now "stamina" based actually restricts us further. Just because they have decided that an ability should be stamina based doesn't mean that we as players agree. My nightblade had several abilities that I used to love playing with a stamina build because they didn't eat into my stamina resources.

@eventide03b14a_ESO‌ , the first part is ironic. Completely true, but ironic nonetheless.

Had they based it on the standalone model, none of this would be an issue right now.

Changing magic based options to stamina based options does take the class in a different direction. Not a wrong one, necessarily, but different.

To me, it starts to become more of a subclass.

It would be like DK morphs requiring them to use a bow or have Frost only effects.

I remember a time when Sorcerers were Sorcerers... You know, magic based, spell casting types...

I don't have an issue with stamina based options/skills. I just don't think they necessarily belong in the caster line.

I'd ultimately like to see each class have access to four (4) class skill lines, while only getting to choose three of them.

Stamina based could easily be one of the options that way.

As soon as I found out there was going to be classes I knew there was going to be problems. I still don't understand why they couldn't just keep it like the single player games. it's a basic system that really didn't need to be changed and ZOS certainly hasn't improved it in any way. Nightblades are the only ones who get invisibility, only sorcerers can summon pets, and yet they tout this "play as you want" BS. Play as I want means I can summon a damn atronach if I want and then cast invisibility. Just sayin.

Fiery Grip
If the target of Fiery Grip is unable to be pulled to you for any reason, you will now be pulled to the target.
Empowered Chains (morph): This ability now grants you Empower for 5 seconds.



how will play out in pvp? because it would suck to get pulled to someone while trying to pull them, also will the bug be fixed that some enemies on the same hight cannot be pulled (example the corridor in elden hollow after murklight boss to the next boss, sometimes i cannot pull a mob that is on the same level as i am and it says : target is too high or too low)

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

its a new game and everything will change, what your talking about is elite groups placing restrictions, yes thats a problem but we are going to have to develop new strategies anyway. so we took two templar healers to AA and with the ult gain there is just no way we can drop all of the novas. I WILL NOT start a qq thread about it, I will learn with my group new ways to get through, not declare if we cant do the exact same strategy to a tea than its broken and bad.

that said, I agree that the nerf seems a bit much in pvp you can simply cc break negate and cast im not sure why they made it this way.

First off I didn't start this thread...I don't care that much to begin an entire thread on negate alone. I will adapt. This is the thread to express this sentiment, if not here then where? Call it QQing or whatever you like but this thread and the feedback thread are where we have to express these opinions, get over it.

Second, I never expected to do the exact same strategies in 1.6 as I did in 1.5. Obviously there are $#!t loads of mechanics changing here requiring a new play book.

Third, it's my opinion that the new playbook doesn't need a negate nerf even in PvP. If negate is killing you in PvP you need to L2P. There are a lot more cheesy tactics than negate. This idea, "because this got nerfed it's ok this gets nerfed to" is not constructive. Plain and simple this nerf really hurts the class.

Soulac wrote: »

Why no love for cats?

Well with the greater difficulty with increasing crit and the massive nerf toward impen, dosent there normal crit bonus seem like enough? They are already the default NB race.

Why we have to do all faction quests ?.Please change this ...

wanderlustx5 wrote: »

And with this there is no valid reason to choose redguard over bosmer for a stamina build. If im not mistaken redguard also has vigor, but will it be morphed to endurance?

base stamina regen is 514
12% difference in stamina regen = 62 stamina regen = 31 stamina each second = 93 stamina each 3 seconds.

Y’ffre’s Endurance gives you 108 stamina regen, which is 54 each second.

Redguard's passive (if you have 20k max stmaina) gives you 600 stamina each 3 seconds (if you keep using meele attacks), which is potential 200 stamina each second.

Vigor is 9% from base it gives you 46 stmaina regen so 23 each second.

Redguard dealing a melee attack each 19th second will get overall 54 more stamina regen from passive skills.

Thus, as long as you stay in melee range Redguard has way better stamina regen than a Bosmer.

Not to mention that Redguard's give you 10% more max stamina, while Bosmer is only 3%.

HolyDragon wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

HolyDragon wrote: »

5. Give an AP bonus to Raid leaders depending on the amount of players in raid that is online. The emperor should be a person that is leading raids, not people that log in and farm off their other accounts. The good leaders will have their followers so this shouldn't be exploited much...

You're actually being serious here? I'd love to hear why you want this...

Emperor should be given to people that lead imo. Not people that stay up all night for days or people that solo to gain more AP. Raid leaders are the ones trying to get things done with the help of good players joining them. It is a way to give them something for all the hard work they do. I'm sure people can think of other reasons as well but that's just my 2 cents.

@HolyDragon‌ , you do get an AP bonus as a Raid leader - you get more AP's being part of a 20 man group earning AP's, do you not?

Emperors should not automatically be a person leading raids, perhaps the person successfully leading raids. Having a crown on your head (Group Leader) and gathering a handful of individuals does not automatically qualify for bonus. (There are exceptions, obviously).

Personally, I've always thought that dethroning the Emperor should involve dethroning the emperor. Shouldn't execution of the king be standard fare in the process of overtaking the kingdom?

Obviously there is difficulty implementing this with time constraints (he/she has to be logged to be executed). Right now, simply capturing enough farms, keeps, and players, it still feels like something is missing from the formula.

HolyDragon wrote: »

pete5210b14_ESO wrote: »

HolyDragon wrote: »

pete5210b14_ESO wrote: »

HolyDragon wrote: »

Things I like to see in future patches:

Armor:

I am sure you are still tweaking this out but when I did go on my Templar in full light Seducers/Warlock armor, it was crazy squishy while not giving enough bonuses as a caster to penetrate damage or regenerate my magicka to compensate against melee heavy armored players. If you have heavy armor of course it should give you a ton of armor points. Light armor just seems a bit weak atm for spell casters imo. Of course I did not test this out as much as I should. I'm sure someone will post something about this.

Holydragon

Light armor is supposed to be squishy. You wouldn't go up against a bear in the woods with a robe on, no, you'd be in Heavy Steel Armor.....but then why would ANYONE go up against a bear in the woods? That is just silly in my opinion.

Did you read anything but squishy? Look at the rest plz. Thanks

Uh, you're totally welcome, I did read what you said about the Armor....everything else...no. I don't have time to read EVERYTHING you say.

Light Armor is supposed to be squishy, it's light! Nuff said

While I feel I'm beating a dead horse here, "it was crazy squishy while not giving enough bonuses as a caster to penetrate damage or regenerate my magicka to compensate against melee heavy armored players". I agree light should be hit harder against melee but Light should hit harder with spells to heavy armor or regen should be better for that trade off.. Understand yet? If not, that's fine. I'm moving on...

@HolyDragon‌ , dead horse is dead. However, agreed, LA should take more physical damage, HA should take more magical/elemental damage.

I'm gonna go put my metal teapot on the stove and see what the result is... (HA wearers assure me it won't get hot)

The general consensus (it seems) is that Light Armor should have no advantages, which is pointless.

Now please step back from the horse. "Charging...CLEAR!..."

Well, if people would stop twisting my words you would see that I said an Emperor should (not automatically, never said this!!!) be the ones that lead.. Raid leaders that actually do well at it should be the top runners or get a buff. That's all I suggested and if you disagree, fine. It is an OPINION!!! That's my point. Also, we get more AP Soloing near a zerg so we get less while in a group. This is a fact.

All I was saying about Light is what ya said. It has no real benefit atm, IMO. We take more damage against melee but the advantages are not equal. Maybe they will fix it up a bit.

We still have a month and they have some time to tweak some things out. I just wanted to put out some ideas. Not saying they all would work but the conversations hopefully will begin. More importantly, with the devs!!!

Problems with Justice System Consistency
Let us run through this together. Ithis wants to make some Chicken Breasts, but has no poultry. As she is walking to the Grocer’s she comes across a few lvl 1 Bantam Guar running around Davon’s Watch. Not thinking too hard about ihow closely realated to a chicken these bantam really are or whether or not it is someone’s pet, she stealthily follows one behind a planter, wrings its little neck (this would be an interesting addition to the justice system gameplay for dealing with the level 1 owned creatures, but I digress, really she just used her light attack on her staff), and guts it. From this interaction she gains 2 poultry and 2 guts.
Working her way back toward an Inn to find a cooking fire she comes across a home. Deciding that all homes must have their own cooking fires (you can’t eat out ALL the time), she tries the door. Unfortunately the door is locked. She has a few tools on her for such occasions as getting locked out of places she wishes she wasn’t , she fashions herself a makeshift key and quickly makes her way inside. Disappointed that these strange people do not have a cooking fire she decides to see if they are real townsfolk at all and looks in the nightstand that is strangely next to the door. All they have inside is a lockpick, which she figures they don’t need since they obviously locked the door somehow, and also they are kinda sketchy for normal people to have, so she borrows that and once again starts to make her way back towards the Inn.
Finding that she is close to the docks and having the nice fresh guts in her pocket she decides to try her hand at fishing, and thinks maybe she can cook some of those tasty bits up as well. Unfortunate for Ithis, somehow these guts she has collected are recognizable as being stolen property and she can’t force herself to use them in case a guard were to walk past, and so grabbing a torchbug, she sticks that on the line but her line only comes back with worthless used bait on the end.
Feeling a little like the world isn’t on her side she takes the shiny lockpick and decides to find another place she can use it and hopes for better luck. Walking past the alchemy shop she spots a shiny lockbox behind the counter and a slightly distracted alchemist. Going nonchalantly over to the crafting table she waits until his back is turned then slides over to the box and looking at it something tells her “Lockbox- Steam from…”Yes “Steam”. Not sure what the box holds anymore or that this is a good idea she takes her new lockpick and jams it in the “Steam” hole, accidentally breaking it. Luckily it is the stolen pick, since she has for some reason kept her legitimate lockpicks separate and less accessable. On the second try the uses one of her original lockpicks and completes picking the “steamhole” but not before the alchemist turns the corner of the desk and sees her, shouting “Robbery in progress!”. No one come to help him but he did frighten her with his yelling, plus her pockets were full... She slips to the other side of the desk where he suddenly forgets about her, at least long enough for her to slip some Corundum from her pocket to make room for the pretty parasol she has seen in the box, runs back over and grabs it out, to his repeating of his earlier shouts, and then dashes across the street to the Enchanters to take a few deep breaths.

So how does it make sense that she can cook some bantam guar into Chicken Breasts ( also, that recipe name makes no sense) at the very visible cooking fire at a crowded Inn without ANY suspicion but not fish with some random guts at the very empty docks? How exactly does one even launder guts?
How does it make sense that there is a difference between a stolen lockpick and the legitimate ones found adventuring or bought from the merchants (are they all engraved with initials or something more bizarre)?
I would like it if ZOS were to implement fishing with these guts freely, without laundering, just as I can cook the bantam and pick locks with the lockpicks. I also think the lockpicks and guts (all fishing baits, really) should probably just be integrated into the rest of your stacks and not separated out for fencing/laundering (even though they are finally worth something, which is AMAZING)

Also I got a bounty both times he yelled- 1st for the theft of the gold from the lockbox - 2nd from the theft of the parasol after I made room for it. Just wondering if theft bounties are the same amount no matter what the item is you are stealing, and does it increase per person who sees you?


(the typo of “steam from” was just too funny to leave out)

wanderlustx5 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

OVERVIEW


Racial

• High Elf
  • Elemental Talent: The tooltip for this passive is now consistent across all its ranks.
• Khajiit
  • Carnage: This passive ability’s tooltip now correctly reflects the Weapon Critical bonus it grants.
• Orc
  • Heavy Armor Expertise: This passive ability now has an icon.
• Wood Elf
  • Y’ffre’s Endurance: The Wood Elf racial skill Exhilaration (formerly Vigor) has been replaced with Y'ffre's Endurance, which grants an increase of 7%/14%/21% to Stamina Regeneration while in combat.

And with this there is no valid reason to choose redguard over bosmer for a stamina build. If im not mistaken redguard also has vigor, but will it be morphed to endurance?

I just checked out and compared their racials, and if what I'm seeing is correct and up to date on this site, Redguard is vastly superior to Bosmer for a Stamina build by a mile.

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Sorcs need a nerf, they are over the top on PTS right now.

PvP'ers - Give them their own servers with all the nerfs of 1.6 so they can whine about how their class isn't as powerful as other classes and how other classes need nerfing.

PvE'ers/RP'ers - Give them their own servers with 1.5 (with necessary changes like armour ratings) and stop nerfing everything.

Seriously, we get no new content cause everyone's crying about classes being OP, so they get nerfed...then they cry about no new content.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Reremnu wrote: »

are you serious? care to do some serious work on racial passives balance?
Why are you ignoring threads regarding racial imbalance/race change
(like this for example or plethora other topics regarding the issue)?

Our work on racial passives is ongoing. We have read the thread you linked, as well as others. With the recent changes from today's patch, which specifically do you feel could use looking at?

You have to bring all Racials on the Level of Imperial/ Dark Elf, the 'buff' to Wood Elf is a joke...

Gilcroixb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Our work on racial passives is ongoing. We have read the thread you linked, as well as others. With the recent changes from today's patch, which specifically do you feel could use looking at?

What I'd really like to see is racials done away with completely, but I don't see that happening.

Or just have a semi costly way (say 20K gold) to change your race. Then no one can say its unfair because you get choice or race.