Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....
And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me
Sorry but this is utter bunk. The real reason is apparently to just knock down the vet players and make them start over so they stretch out the content over a longer period of time (and more sub costs) which is pretty pathetic.
So, as someone not following all the ESO Live content and Q&A sessions, I'm a little confused. Anyone who is at least VR 1 gets 30 CPs. Are characters still going to be veteran rank, or will the level cap be increased from 50? Am I shooting myself in the foot trying to push through the VR content? I'm nearly to Cadwell's Gold. What will a character gain in CP if they aren't a VR yet, 1 CP at a time?
PlagueMonk wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....
And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me
Very simple:
1) You are only allowed to complete 2 daily pledges a day and many times the vet one goes unfinished because the PUG wasn't up to snuff. I can earn WAY more exp doing simple solo questing. Plus the norm pledge doesn't award that much exp.
If you are in some uber raid guild that can breeze through them (and trials) then consider yourself in the very few lucky because the VAST majority are not in that position.
2) Player kill tasks in PvP have a repeat limit (and not everyone likes to PvP, this should not be a forced decision to advance)
3) Does that also mean lower/upper craglorn? if so all that exp is out the door, just like the rest of us.
4) Zenimax have said no such thing about player strength with CPs (at least officially) Plus when VRs are completely removed you will be no better other than possibly versatility.
ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
Averya_Teira wrote: »I don't understand why people keep saying the 30 CP is for ''balance'' purpose and things like that....
The system is supposed to be designed so there's no balance issues... If they have issues with balancing between a 30 CP player and a 250 CP player... THEIR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING...
Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »PlagueMonk wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....
And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me
Very simple:
1) You are only allowed to complete 2 daily pledges a day and many times the vet one goes unfinished because the PUG wasn't up to snuff. I can earn WAY more exp doing simple solo questing. Plus the norm pledge doesn't award that much exp.
If you are in some uber raid guild that can breeze through them (and trials) then consider yourself in the very few lucky because the VAST majority are not in that position.
2) Player kill tasks in PvP have a repeat limit (and not everyone likes to PvP, this should not be a forced decision to advance)
3) Does that also mean lower/upper craglorn? if so all that exp is out the door, just like the rest of us.
4) Zenimax have said no such thing about player strength with CPs (at least officially) Plus when VRs are completely removed you will be no better other than possibly versatility.
If you haven't done any of the post 50 content though then, this post doesn't apply to you so stop be a freakin' ****** troll about it. (and you also wouldn't get a proposed multiplier )
I've done the full gold and silver with my main only so lucky me...
Btw i've readed (sorry i dont remember where but here in the forums) that they will compensate the gap between vr 1 and 14 with some skill points and attributes in the last phase so again all to the newcomers.
And i've also readed or saw in the live...(again bad memory but...) that they will boost the xp gained in some quest (like the pvp quests) and i got hopes that zos dont mess to much all the good time passed with the loyal custumers... maybe they give us a Paul sage pet or a tabard with the dollar sign to wear as a reward.
This is a great progress imo.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that
Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »PlagueMonk wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
SOOOOOOO....you have basically taken the position to majorly ******* your loyal customers over (you know the ones who have been paying YOUR salaries since you claimed you would be tracking exp) and think the health and future of the game is with newer players????
Now that you have officially answered we (your loyal customers) need to hear WHY you think that this is somehow fair. Like most others here outraged at this announcement, I have done all of the silver/gold content, I have done ALL of lower/upper Craglorn (well except for 2 of the trials). That is an absolutely HUGE amount of readily available exp (well the silver/gold are soloable) that I will not be able to use to earn CP and no amount of daily/repeatable quests is going to compensate us for that.
What your new direction boils down to is, the fresh VR1's will have 2-3 times the amount of CP couple of months down the line as they do the questing content. How is this even remotely fair exactly????
So if your final decision is 30 CP, period, end of story, you sure as HELL had better figure out how to compensate us VR14s who are feeling pretty screwed over.
Some possibilities are:
- Giving all who have completed the silver/gold content and lower/upper Craglorn an exp multiplier to be directly applied to any and all repeatable/dailies. The exact multiplier will be dependent on where you are in that process but should allow us V14s to gain a similar amount of exp to what the fresh VR1s can earn.
- As above but simply give us a CP multiplier so we will earn CP faster than VR1's.
- Nerf the hell out of the content past 50 (oh wait, this wouldn't be fair to the new VR1s would it?! O.o..........well welcome to the ***** you party)
PLEASE NOTE: None of the above are a permanent solution. Consider this part of the "adjustment period" and would only be an option for 1 update and then removed. That will give those willing to continue playing a window of opportunity to earn the same amount of CP a VR1 would have.
- And while I'm hesitant to mention this one......reset the post 50 content for EVERYONE. While I would not be thrilled about this prospect, at least I would have the option of re-completing it for the CP if i felt I could stomach it. (this however does NOT mean reset my achievements for doing that content)
Any one of those solutions would work but you have GOT to compensate your loyal VR14 players is a meaningful way so we will have the SAME amount of CP a few months down the line as the new VR1s.
Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....
And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me
Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »So, as someone not following all the ESO Live content and Q&A sessions, I'm a little confused. Anyone who is at least VR 1 gets 30 CPs. Are characters still going to be veteran rank, or will the level cap be increased from 50? Am I shooting myself in the foot trying to push through the VR content? I'm nearly to Cadwell's Gold. What will a character gain in CP if they aren't a VR yet, 1 CP at a time?
It would be easier to just say.. "here's the KY jelly, lube up good cos this is gonna hurt".
Well, no. I don't think of it that way. But my questions are serious ones. If I'm wasting my time in VR zones, I'd rather play when this is all sorted out. I'm just a casual player, I do maybe 3 to 5 hours a week.
Sorry but what?????
you pretend to be a casual... so all this CP stuff dont hurt you.
Let me ask a question , WHY you play games?
Because if is a waste of time plz change hobby.....
I don't post on the forums very often, but I just want to say that my wife and I have both leveled toons to VR 10 so far, but purely from just playing the majority of quests in the game, very little grinding. While it doesn't bother myself or my wife as much as some in this thread, it is concerning to me considering the amount of positive press and coverage ESO has been getting lately. We just made it to the final of the MMORPG.com mmo faceoff and it seems more and more people are coming back to the game. I hate for this to cause a spiral effect of bad press that tarnishes the progress made so far. With that said, I am optimistic that if there is enough of an issue, ZOS will eventually realize and make necessary changes. I am more concerned about the effect this will have on the ESO community as a whole.
I want this game to succeed and be around for a long time, and this is one of those things that can make or break a game (for the masses at least).
My request to those of you who dislike this change and may be feeling like quitting, please get on the test server and voice your opinion. Don't just complain on the forums but actually give real feedback. I am probably going to download it myself here just so I can check it out and comment on it.
Again..it was pointed to many times in almost every post on the subject, from the last ESO live Maria mentioned it...but as normal it's been conveniently overlooked so people can moan and doomsay.
Not moaning or doomsaying, but you seem to be the only person who has picked up on this. Can you be awesome and give us a source on this, or at least tell us exactly when in the eso live it was said?
I don't post on the forums very often, but I just want to say that my wife and I have both leveled toons to VR 10 so far, but purely from just playing the majority of quests in the game, very little grinding. While it doesn't bother myself or my wife as much as some in this thread, it is concerning to me considering the amount of positive press and coverage ESO has been getting lately. We just made it to the final of the MMORPG.com mmo faceoff and it seems more and more people are coming back to the game. I hate for this to cause a spiral effect of bad press that tarnishes the progress made so far. With that said, I am optimistic that if there is enough of an issue, ZOS will eventually realize and make necessary changes. I am more concerned about the effect this will have on the ESO community as a whole.
I want this game to succeed and be around for a long time, and this is one of those things that can make or break a game (for the masses at least).
My request to those of you who dislike this change and may be feeling like quitting, please get on the test server and voice your opinion. Don't just complain on the forums but actually give real feedback. I am probably going to download it myself here just so I can check it out and comment on it.
It's not on the test server yet. This is also not simply a game mechanic that needs testing and feedback. How do you test the lack of compensation for content already consumed and the promise from ZOS that it would be compensated for? I don't think that will be part of the test server.
I don't post on the forums very often, but I just want to say that my wife and I have both leveled toons to VR 10 so far, but purely from just playing the majority of quests in the game, very little grinding. While it doesn't bother myself or my wife as much as some in this thread, it is concerning to me considering the amount of positive press and coverage ESO has been getting lately. We just made it to the final of the MMORPG.com mmo faceoff and it seems more and more people are coming back to the game. I hate for this to cause a spiral effect of bad press that tarnishes the progress made so far. With that said, I am optimistic that if there is enough of an issue, ZOS will eventually realize and make necessary changes. I am more concerned about the effect this will have on the ESO community as a whole.
I want this game to succeed and be around for a long time, and this is one of those things that can make or break a game (for the masses at least).
My request to those of you who dislike this change and may be feeling like quitting, please get on the test server and voice your opinion. Don't just complain on the forums but actually give real feedback. I am probably going to download it myself here just so I can check it out and comment on it.
It's not on the test server yet. This is also not simply a game mechanic that needs testing and feedback. How do you test the lack of compensation for content already consumed and the promise from ZOS that it would be compensated for? I don't think that will be part of the test server.
Champ system isn't on the PTS, YET. The PTS showing is more for more of an official report to the actual people working on the game. I feel like logging into the PTS and explaining the issue via an actual well thought out ticket may get more traction than just posting on these cluster threads. I just hope that enough people speak up on this.
As someone who works PR, there is no winning this, at all. The holidays are definitely in full effect, and Gina is still a CS person, not a dev. If anything, the PR people are the ones taking the blunt of the attacks, when it has absolutely nothing to do with them.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
We were told xp was being tracked so that all the questing and xp earned after vr14 wasn't going to be a waste.
This was apparently an outright lie.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
Gina mentioned that you get a special reward guys, its those 30 CPs that you only get once 1.6 hits. So you will have something in return for all your work.
A new player or someone who gets to VR a day later wont get the reward, so in the end ZO rewarded you for your spent time.
Yeah, and it's the reward ppl are pissed about. Their "reward" doesn't amount to much now does it.