What happened to " we will track your exp earned " ????( Gina Bruno answered this 12/28/2014)

Gilvoth · December 2014

i just lost interest in eso

and That for me is a huge change ...

Valen_Byte · December 2014

There is no way you can pick up chicks in a tank

and

I like ESO

RSram · December 2014

Lettigall wrote: »

@lordrichter

I know that community managers aren't responsible for changes in game, they are a "bridge" between players and developers. I simply commented on statement from ZOS, which was posted by Gina!

I'm 1 char guy(tried to level alts but it's not for me), I leveled through questing, I have almost all quests except Craglorn, every dungeon, dolmen, world boss killed and all for nothing...

I simply don't have motivation to invest time in my char and I'm not in the mood make alts to be competitive...

Same here. I wasn't going to do the Cadwell quest line because of the rumors that the XP wasn't going to count towards CP, but once ZOS stated that XP was going to be counted, I started and then completed Cadwell's gold.

So I'm really pissed about this, and if my XP that I earned isn't converted to CP at some point in the future I'm moving one to something else.

Although I only have one VR14 character, I really feel bad for the hard core players that have leveled more than one. It takes a lot of time to get a through Cadwell's gold especially if you completed every achievement for each of the zones.

All the developers had to say is that they couldn't guarantee that the XP earn after VR1 could be transferred to CP , and if you continue to play a character after it reaches VR1 you risk losing all your earn XP once the CS comes online.

themizario · December 2014

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...

because, and please listen closely --

"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"

I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!

Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.

PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.

And what if they change PVP to award he same xp per hour as Cadwells (which they have already said they intend to do)?

They can't really promess that as PvP XP really only depends on the actual activity. If you don't find players to kill for 15 min... They should still award you XP for those 15 minutes lol ?

That's what the Enlightment system is for. When you're not gaining EXP you're gaining a multiplier to your EXP gain.

I can just see this being abused. Figure out max xp boost. Don't log in to VR1 until cap is reached. Start on silver gold quest. During down time lvl other VR toons.

Like everything ZOS I bet there are no checks in place to stop it for the first couple weeks. Jajaja

Grunim · December 2014

That's what the Enlightment system is for. When you're not gaining EXP you're gaining a multiplier to your EXP gain.
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I would be fine with the system if that were the case, but it was my understanding that you don't gain Enlightenment while you are playing a character level 50 or higher?

Will you gain Enlightenment if you are playing a level 50 character or must your character be below level 50?

RSram · December 2014

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...

I agree there are lots of ways to earn CP without doing Cadwell's Gold, but you are missing the point here. The amount XP earned doing Cadwell's Gold was just flushed down the toilet for many players.

Tonnopesce · December 2014

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Sindala wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

So, as someone not following all the ESO Live content and Q&A sessions, I'm a little confused. Anyone who is at least VR 1 gets 30 CPs. Are characters still going to be veteran rank, or will the level cap be increased from 50? Am I shooting myself in the foot trying to push through the VR content? I'm nearly to Cadwell's Gold. What will a character gain in CP if they aren't a VR yet, 1 CP at a time?

It would be easier to just say.. "here's the KY jelly, lube up good cos this is gonna hurt".

Well, no. I don't think of it that way. But my questions are serious ones. If I'm wasting my time in VR zones, I'd rather play when this is all sorted out. I'm just a casual player, I do maybe 3 to 5 hours a week.

Sorry but what?????
you pretend to be a casual... so all this CP stuff dont hurt you.
Let me ask a question , WHY you play games?
Because if is a waste of time plz change hobby.....

I play like 3 hours a day but i enjoy all the game: vr zones, trials(not so much..), dungeons, cyrodiil. Having a little less ch points at the beginning of ESO 2.0
is not going to hurt me, i've not wasted the time till now BUT i give you a point regard the time i will spend from this point and above till update 6 will go live.

Is not unfair or something this is a balance required by the game himself or the game will FAIL; the pseudo elitism that a messed up "rewarded" CS will cause
is just something that the game cannot handle, when the 4° phase of the cs go live and you simply cannot know who was a vr 14 and who was a vr1 all the people rewarded (even me so.. ) will be so much strongher than the others that the forums will be full with balance issues cry threads and ragequits.
Resetting the sistem will prevent this and give some fresh air to a game that is becoming a death horse only after a year from the release.

This game has the potential for erease WOW from the gaming history but not in the current state this is a good step in the right direction we are only into a transition phase.

PlagueMonk · December 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

SOOOOOOO....you have basically taken the position to majorly ******* your loyal customers over (you know the ones who have been paying YOUR salaries since you claimed you would be tracking exp) and think the health and future of the game is with newer players????

Now that you have officially answered we (your loyal customers) need to hear WHY you think that this is somehow fair. Like most others here outraged at this announcement, I have done all of the silver/gold content, I have done ALL of lower/upper Craglorn (well except for 2 of the trials). That is an absolutely HUGE amount of readily available exp (well the silver/gold are soloable) that I will not be able to use to earn CP and no amount of daily/repeatable quests is going to compensate us for that.

What your new direction boils down to is, the fresh VR1's will have 2-3 times the amount of CP couple of months down the line as they do the questing content. How is this even remotely fair exactly????

So if your final decision is 30 CP, period, end of story, you sure as HELL had better figure out how to compensate us VR14s who are feeling pretty screwed over.

Some possibilities are:

- Giving all who have completed the silver/gold content and lower/upper Craglorn an exp multiplier to be directly applied to any and all repeatable/dailies. The exact multiplier will be dependent on where you are in that process but should allow us V14s to gain a similar amount of exp to what the fresh VR1s can earn.

- As above but simply give us a CP multiplier so we will earn CP faster than VR1's.

- Nerf the hell out of the content past 50 (oh wait, this wouldn't be fair to the new VR1s would it?! O.o..........well welcome to the ***** you party)

PLEASE NOTE: None of the above are a permanent solution. Consider this part of the "adjustment period" and would only be an option for 1 update and then removed. That will give those willing to continue playing a window of opportunity to earn the same amount of CP a VR1 would have.

- And while I'm hesitant to mention this one......reset the post 50 content for EVERYONE. While I would not be thrilled about this prospect, at least I would have the option of re-completing it for the CP if i felt I could stomach it. (this however does NOT mean reset my achievements for doing that content)

Any one of those solutions would work but you have GOT to compensate your loyal VR14 players is a meaningful way so we will have the SAME amount of CP a few months down the line as the new VR1s.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Tonnopesce · December 2014

PlagueMonk wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

SOOOOOOO....you have basically taken the position to majorly ******* your loyal customers over (you know the ones who have been paying YOUR salaries since you claimed you would be tracking exp) and think the health and future of the game is with newer players????

Now that you have officially answered we (your loyal customers) need to hear WHY you think that this is somehow fair. Like most others here outraged at this announcement, I have done all of the silver/gold content, I have done ALL of lower/upper Craglorn (well except for 2 of the trials). That is an absolutely HUGE amount of readily available exp (well the silver/gold are soloable) that I will not be able to use to earn CP and no amount of daily/repeatable quests is going to compensate us for that.

What your new direction boils down to is, the fresh VR1's will have 2-3 times the amount of CP couple of months down the line as they do the questing content. How is this even remotely fair exactly????

So if your final decision is 30 CP, period, end of story, you sure as HELL had better figure out how to compensate us VR14s who are feeling pretty screwed over.

Some possibilities are:

- Giving all who have completed the silver/gold content and lower/upper Craglorn an exp multiplier to be directly applied to any and all repeatable/dailies. The exact multiplier will be dependent on where you are in that process but should allow us V14s to gain a similar amount of exp to what the fresh VR1s can earn.

- As above but simply give us a CP multiplier so we will earn CP faster than VR1's.

- Nerf the hell out of the content past 50 (oh wait, this wouldn't be fair to the new VR1s would it?! O.o..........well welcome to the ***** you party)

PLEASE NOTE: None of the above are a permanent solution. Consider this part of the "adjustment period" and would only be an option for 1 update and then removed. That will give those willing to continue playing a window of opportunity to earn the same amount of CP a VR1 would have.

- And while I'm hesitant to mention this one......reset the post 50 content for EVERYONE. While I would not be thrilled about this prospect, at least I would have the option of re-completing it for the CP if i felt I could stomach it. (this however does NOT mean reset my achievements for doing that content)

Any one of those solutions would work but you have GOT to compensate your loyal VR14 players is a meaningful way so we will have the SAME amount of CP a few months down the line as the new VR1s.

Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....

And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Ethona · December 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

The issue isn't the change of mind though the real issue is you (ZOS) didn't tell us players; thus leaving us to continue believing that the xp tracking was still on-going, which also lead a lot of ppl to continue wasting time leveling up their VR when they could have level up new char/class/factions ect... Most likely in the name of ensuring folks would pay for subs. If you guys told us that you have decided a different path back when you made the change ... none of these issues would have came up. By the way, we're not kids, almost all of us work for a corp or have work for a corp and understand the fake smiles. Anyways, what's done is done, i just hope ZOS don't continue making these kind of blunders because players won't forgive forever you know. Hope you have a decent day though.

Sindala · December 2014

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

SOOOOOOO....you have basically taken the position to majorly ******* your loyal customers over (you know the ones who have been paying YOUR salaries since you claimed you would be tracking exp) and think the health and future of the game is with newer players????

Now that you have officially answered we (your loyal customers) need to hear WHY you think that this is somehow fair. Like most others here outraged at this announcement, I have done all of the silver/gold content, I have done ALL of lower/upper Craglorn (well except for 2 of the trials). That is an absolutely HUGE amount of readily available exp (well the silver/gold are soloable) that I will not be able to use to earn CP and no amount of daily/repeatable quests is going to compensate us for that.

What your new direction boils down to is, the fresh VR1's will have 2-3 times the amount of CP couple of months down the line as they do the questing content. How is this even remotely fair exactly????

So if your final decision is 30 CP, period, end of story, you sure as HELL had better figure out how to compensate us VR14s who are feeling pretty screwed over.

Some possibilities are:

- Giving all who have completed the silver/gold content and lower/upper Craglorn an exp multiplier to be directly applied to any and all repeatable/dailies. The exact multiplier will be dependent on where you are in that process but should allow us V14s to gain a similar amount of exp to what the fresh VR1s can earn.

- As above but simply give us a CP multiplier so we will earn CP faster than VR1's.

- Nerf the hell out of the content past 50 (oh wait, this wouldn't be fair to the new VR1s would it?! O.o..........well welcome to the ***** you party)

PLEASE NOTE: None of the above are a permanent solution. Consider this part of the "adjustment period" and would only be an option for 1 update and then removed. That will give those willing to continue playing a window of opportunity to earn the same amount of CP a VR1 would have.

- And while I'm hesitant to mention this one......reset the post 50 content for EVERYONE. While I would not be thrilled about this prospect, at least I would have the option of re-completing it for the CP if i felt I could stomach it. (this however does NOT mean reset my achievements for doing that content)

Any one of those solutions would work but you have GOT to compensate your loyal VR14 players is a meaningful way so we will have the SAME amount of CP a few months down the line as the new VR1s.

Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....

And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me

Cos it's not like they mite change their mind and level everyone out at 50.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Tonnopesce · December 2014

Sindala wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

SOOOOOOO....you have basically taken the position to majorly ******* your loyal customers over (you know the ones who have been paying YOUR salaries since you claimed you would be tracking exp) and think the health and future of the game is with newer players???? I sure in the hell want to meet your focus group because they are a bunch of idiots (as are you for listening to them) Your more loyal customers are the ones who have been playing since beta/release but you choose to side with new players?

Now that you have officially answered we (your loyal customers) need to hear WHY you think that this is somehow fair. Like most others here outraged at this announcement, I have done all of the silver/gold content, I have done ALL of lower/upper Craglorn (well except for 2 of the trials). That is an absolutely HUGE amount of readily available exp (well the silver/gold are soloable) that I will not be able to use to earn CP and no amount of daily/repeatable quests is going to compensate us for that.

What your new direction boils down to is, the fresh VR1's will have 2-3 times the amount of CP couple of months down the line as they do the questing content. How is this even remotely fair exactly????

So if your final decision is 30 CP, period, end of story, you sure as HELL had better figure out how to compensate us VR14s who are feeling pretty screwed over.

Some possibilities are:

- Giving all who have completed the silver/gold content and lower/upper Craglorn an exp multiplier to be directly applied to any and all repeatable/dailies. The exact multiplier will be dependent on where you are in that process but should allow us V14s to gain a similar amount of exp to what the fresh VR1s can earn.

- As above but simply give us a CP multiplier so we will earn CP faster than VR1's.

- Nerf the hell out of the content past 50 (oh wait, this wouldn't be fair to the new VR1s would it?! O.o..........well welcome to the ***** you party)

PLEASE NOTE: None of the above are a permanent solution. Consider this part of the "adjustment period" and would only be an option for 1 update and then removed. That will give those willing to continue playing a window of opportunity to earn the same amount of CP a VR1 would have.

- And while I'm hesitant to mention this one......reset the post 50 content for EVERYONE. While I would not be thrilled about this prospect, at least I would have the option of re-completing it for the CP if i felt I could stomach it. (this however does NOT mean reset my achievements for doing that content)

Any one of those solutions would work but you have GOT to compensate your loyal VR14 players is a meaningful way so we will have the SAME amount of CP a few months down the line as the new VR1s.

Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....

And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me

Cos it's not like they mite change their mind and level everyone out at 50.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Dont give them bad ideas........

Bouvin · December 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

I think it has caused more aggravation than confusion.

Just sayin'...

Turelus · December 2014

Pretty dissapointed to hear that a player who litrally hits VR1 an hour before the maintainence will get the same benefit as people who have played the game for months but oh well...

PlagueMonk · December 2014

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....

And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me

Very simple:

1) You are only allowed to complete 2 daily pledges a day and many times the vet one goes unfinished because the PUG wasn't up to snuff. I can earn WAY more exp doing simple solo questing. Plus the norm pledge doesn't award that much exp.

If you are in some uber raid guild that can breeze through them (and trials) then consider yourself in the very few lucky because the VAST majority are not in that position.

2) Player kill tasks in PvP have a repeat limit (and not everyone likes to PvP, this should not be a forced decision to advance)

3) Does that also mean lower/upper craglorn? if so all that exp is out the door, just like the rest of us.

4) Zenimax have said no such thing about player strength with CPs (at least officially) Plus when VRs are completely removed you will be no better other than possibly versatility.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Bouvin · December 2014

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sorry but this is utter bunk. The real reason is apparently to just knock down the vet players and make them start over so they stretch out the content over a longer period of time (and more sub costs) which is pretty pathetic.

Unfortunately, it really feels like this was part of the decision.

The consequence, unfortunately, will be the loss of a lot of formerly loyal players who will have lost trust in ZOS over this matter.

All I can say is ZOS better release some damn good content to make up for it. If they don't they can expect people to leave in droves when the next big (over-hyped) MMO is released.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · December 2014

ThePonzzz wrote: »

So, as someone not following all the ESO Live content and Q&A sessions, I'm a little confused. Anyone who is at least VR 1 gets 30 CPs. Are characters still going to be veteran rank, or will the level cap be increased from 50? Am I shooting myself in the foot trying to push through the VR content? I'm nearly to Cadwell's Gold. What will a character gain in CP if they aren't a VR yet, 1 CP at a time?

Stop doing any non repeatable veteran content at once!

Every single quest you do in Caldwell are xp lost now.

What you should do is level alts up to vr1 instead and keep on doing that until 1.6 goes live else you are removing a limited xp resource from the cps you can get later on.

It's sick and crazy but that is how they designed the cp system.

Tonnopesce · December 2014

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....

And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me

Very simple:

1) You are only allowed to complete 2 daily pledges a day and many times the vet one goes unfinished because the PUG wasn't up to snuff. I can earn WAY more exp doing simple solo questing. Plus the norm pledge doesn't award that much exp.

If you are in some uber raid guild that can breeze through them (and trials) then consider yourself in the very few lucky because the VAST majority are not in that position.

2) Player kill tasks in PvP have a repeat limit (and not everyone likes to PvP, this should not be a forced decision to advance)

3) Does that also mean lower/upper craglorn? if so all that exp is out the door, just like the rest of us.

4) Zenimax have said no such thing about player strength with CPs (at least officially) Plus when VRs are completely removed you will be no better other than possibly versatility.

I've done the full gold and silver with my main only so lucky me...
Btw i've readed (sorry i dont remember where but here in the forums) that they will compensate the gap between vr 1 and 14 with some skill points and attributes in the last phase so again all to the newcomers.
And i've also readed or saw in the live...(again bad memory but...) that they will boost the xp gained in some quest (like the pvp quests) and i got hopes that zos dont mess to much all the good time passed with the loyal custumers... maybe they give us a Paul sage pet or a tabard with the dollar sign to wear as a reward.

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nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · December 2014

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...

Because the game does not contain any solo pve content at the endgame what so ever.

The entire cp system should be set on hold until Wrotgard is ready for release.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · December 2014

Averya_Teira wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep saying the 30 CP is for ''balance'' purpose and things like that....

The system is supposed to be designed so there's no balance issues... If they have issues with balancing between a 30 CP player and a 250 CP player... THEIR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING...

Yep. There is no logic to the 30 pts what so ever. If the idea was to lure people back and the extra points from previous xp would unbalance things so much that it prevented this goal, then it makes no sense. Because 2 weeks after release many people WILL be so far ahead anyway.

So the only thing they have achieved with the 30 pts flop is just to screw over loyal customers and they will have gained nothing from it.

It is a bad decision and it will hurt the game, the community, their reputation and their finances in the long run.

Averya_Teira · December 2014

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....

And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me

Very simple:

1) You are only allowed to complete 2 daily pledges a day and many times the vet one goes unfinished because the PUG wasn't up to snuff. I can earn WAY more exp doing simple solo questing. Plus the norm pledge doesn't award that much exp.

If you are in some uber raid guild that can breeze through them (and trials) then consider yourself in the very few lucky because the VAST majority are not in that position.

2) Player kill tasks in PvP have a repeat limit (and not everyone likes to PvP, this should not be a forced decision to advance)

3) Does that also mean lower/upper craglorn? if so all that exp is out the door, just like the rest of us.

4) Zenimax have said no such thing about player strength with CPs (at least officially) Plus when VRs are completely removed you will be no better other than possibly versatility.

If you haven't done any of the post 50 content though then, this post doesn't apply to you so stop be a freakin' ****** troll about it. (and you also wouldn't get a proposed multiplier )

I've done the full gold and silver with my main only so lucky me...
Btw i've readed (sorry i dont remember where but here in the forums) that they will compensate the gap between vr 1 and 14 with some skill points and attributes in the last phase so again all to the newcomers.
And i've also readed or saw in the live...(again bad memory but...) that they will boost the xp gained in some quest (like the pvp quests) and i got hopes that zos dont mess to much all the good time passed with the loyal custumers... maybe they give us a Paul sage pet or a tabard with the dollar sign to wear as a reward.

The bolded part is just awful misinformation. We already get an attribute point (and also a skill point I think??) for every VR right now. This is not a compensation for the CP, it's already been on live for quite a while. So no, no one at ZOS said anything like what you wrote...

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Gyudan · December 2014

I didn't think that this "2nd wave" of complaints could be worse than the first but I guess you guys nailed it!

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that

This is a great progress imo.

EQBallzz · December 2014

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

SOOOOOOO....you have basically taken the position to majorly ******* your loyal customers over (you know the ones who have been paying YOUR salaries since you claimed you would be tracking exp) and think the health and future of the game is with newer players????

Now that you have officially answered we (your loyal customers) need to hear WHY you think that this is somehow fair. Like most others here outraged at this announcement, I have done all of the silver/gold content, I have done ALL of lower/upper Craglorn (well except for 2 of the trials). That is an absolutely HUGE amount of readily available exp (well the silver/gold are soloable) that I will not be able to use to earn CP and no amount of daily/repeatable quests is going to compensate us for that.

What your new direction boils down to is, the fresh VR1's will have 2-3 times the amount of CP couple of months down the line as they do the questing content. How is this even remotely fair exactly????

So if your final decision is 30 CP, period, end of story, you sure as HELL had better figure out how to compensate us VR14s who are feeling pretty screwed over.

Some possibilities are:

- Giving all who have completed the silver/gold content and lower/upper Craglorn an exp multiplier to be directly applied to any and all repeatable/dailies. The exact multiplier will be dependent on where you are in that process but should allow us V14s to gain a similar amount of exp to what the fresh VR1s can earn.

- As above but simply give us a CP multiplier so we will earn CP faster than VR1's.

- Nerf the hell out of the content past 50 (oh wait, this wouldn't be fair to the new VR1s would it?! O.o..........well welcome to the ***** you party)

PLEASE NOTE: None of the above are a permanent solution. Consider this part of the "adjustment period" and would only be an option for 1 update and then removed. That will give those willing to continue playing a window of opportunity to earn the same amount of CP a VR1 would have.

- And while I'm hesitant to mention this one......reset the post 50 content for EVERYONE. While I would not be thrilled about this prospect, at least I would have the option of re-completing it for the CP if i felt I could stomach it. (this however does NOT mean reset my achievements for doing that content)

Any one of those solutions would work but you have GOT to compensate your loyal VR14 players is a meaningful way so we will have the SAME amount of CP a few months down the line as the new VR1s.

Wait a sec there is something that i still not understand....how a fresh new vr1 will gain more xp than me???
Right now if i do a daily pledge i gain the exact same xp that i can gain from a main quest in one of the alliances in maybe half of the time...
Assuming they will give us xp even for compleating multiple times the trials and the crazy xp (confronted to the others ways to gain xp with a single quest) you can get from a kill enemy players and considering that a ex vr 14 will have a (in theory) 3rd season gear and alot of game experience more than a fresh vr1 we will gain more xp than new comers just because we are strongher.....
Even zos ammitted that a vr 14 will still be strongher than a vr 1 with the same amount of ch points so.....

And in any case i have a vr 14 toon that dosnt have put a single step into the cadwell silver or gold sooooo no problems for me

If you think XP from a pledge is equal to all the main story XP in silver/gold you are nuts. Those pledges can also be done once per day and require a group. Silver/gold is solo content (and a ton of it). New players will also have access to these pledges so they have access to more XP earning options than someone who has lots of max veteran characters. What is so hard to understand about this?

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JackDaniell · December 2014

Well I am, yet again, very upset by this...

ThePonzzz · December 2014

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Sindala wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

So, as someone not following all the ESO Live content and Q&A sessions, I'm a little confused. Anyone who is at least VR 1 gets 30 CPs. Are characters still going to be veteran rank, or will the level cap be increased from 50? Am I shooting myself in the foot trying to push through the VR content? I'm nearly to Cadwell's Gold. What will a character gain in CP if they aren't a VR yet, 1 CP at a time?

It would be easier to just say.. "here's the KY jelly, lube up good cos this is gonna hurt".

Well, no. I don't think of it that way. But my questions are serious ones. If I'm wasting my time in VR zones, I'd rather play when this is all sorted out. I'm just a casual player, I do maybe 3 to 5 hours a week.

Sorry but what?????
you pretend to be a casual... so all this CP stuff dont hurt you.
Let me ask a question , WHY you play games?
Because if is a waste of time plz change hobby.....

Pretty sure you're misunderstanding me, or we have a minor language barrier. What I'm asking is, am I wasting my time doing quests right now? Should I take a break? It sounds like as a casual player, and as someone who isn't capped, I gain the most here.

Valden83 · December 2014

I don't post on the forums very often, but I just want to say that my wife and I have both leveled toons to VR 10 so far, but purely from just playing the majority of quests in the game, very little grinding. While it doesn't bother myself or my wife as much as some in this thread, it is concerning to me considering the amount of positive press and coverage ESO has been getting lately. We just made it to the final of the MMORPG.com mmo faceoff and it seems more and more people are coming back to the game. I hate for this to cause a spiral effect of bad press that tarnishes the progress made so far. With that said, I am optimistic that if there is enough of an issue, ZOS will eventually realize and make necessary changes. I am more concerned about the effect this will have on the ESO community as a whole.

I want this game to succeed and be around for a long time, and this is one of those things that can make or break a game (for the masses at least).

My request to those of you who dislike this change and may be feeling like quitting, please get on the test server and voice your opinion. Don't just complain on the forums but actually give real feedback. I am probably going to download it myself here just so I can check it out and comment on it.

EQBallzz · December 2014

Valden83 wrote: »

I don't post on the forums very often, but I just want to say that my wife and I have both leveled toons to VR 10 so far, but purely from just playing the majority of quests in the game, very little grinding. While it doesn't bother myself or my wife as much as some in this thread, it is concerning to me considering the amount of positive press and coverage ESO has been getting lately. We just made it to the final of the MMORPG.com mmo faceoff and it seems more and more people are coming back to the game. I hate for this to cause a spiral effect of bad press that tarnishes the progress made so far. With that said, I am optimistic that if there is enough of an issue, ZOS will eventually realize and make necessary changes. I am more concerned about the effect this will have on the ESO community as a whole.

I want this game to succeed and be around for a long time, and this is one of those things that can make or break a game (for the masses at least).

My request to those of you who dislike this change and may be feeling like quitting, please get on the test server and voice your opinion. Don't just complain on the forums but actually give real feedback. I am probably going to download it myself here just so I can check it out and comment on it.

It's not on the test server yet. This is also not simply a game mechanic that needs testing and feedback. How do you test the lack of compensation for content already consumed and the promise from ZOS that it would be compensated for? I don't think that will be part of the test server.

Elvinfire · December 2014

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Sindala wrote: »

Again..it was pointed to many times in almost every post on the subject, from the last ESO live Maria mentioned it...but as normal it's been conveniently overlooked so people can moan and doomsay.

Not moaning or doomsaying, but you seem to be the only person who has picked up on this. Can you be awesome and give us a source on this, or at least tell us exactly when in the eso live it was said?

I read it too, a couple of times. I will have to pour over past threads I guess. We can't ALL be liars. hmmm....

Valden83 · December 2014

EQBallzz wrote: »

Valden83 wrote: »

I don't post on the forums very often, but I just want to say that my wife and I have both leveled toons to VR 10 so far, but purely from just playing the majority of quests in the game, very little grinding. While it doesn't bother myself or my wife as much as some in this thread, it is concerning to me considering the amount of positive press and coverage ESO has been getting lately. We just made it to the final of the MMORPG.com mmo faceoff and it seems more and more people are coming back to the game. I hate for this to cause a spiral effect of bad press that tarnishes the progress made so far. With that said, I am optimistic that if there is enough of an issue, ZOS will eventually realize and make necessary changes. I am more concerned about the effect this will have on the ESO community as a whole.

I want this game to succeed and be around for a long time, and this is one of those things that can make or break a game (for the masses at least).

My request to those of you who dislike this change and may be feeling like quitting, please get on the test server and voice your opinion. Don't just complain on the forums but actually give real feedback. I am probably going to download it myself here just so I can check it out and comment on it.

It's not on the test server yet. This is also not simply a game mechanic that needs testing and feedback. How do you test the lack of compensation for content already consumed and the promise from ZOS that it would be compensated for? I don't think that will be part of the test server.

Champ system isn't on the PTS, YET. The PTS showing is more for more of an official report to the actual people working on the game. I feel like logging into the PTS and explaining the issue via an actual well thought out ticket may get more traction than just posting on these cluster threads. I just hope that enough people speak up on this.

EQBallzz · December 2014

Valden83 wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Valden83 wrote: »

I don't post on the forums very often, but I just want to say that my wife and I have both leveled toons to VR 10 so far, but purely from just playing the majority of quests in the game, very little grinding. While it doesn't bother myself or my wife as much as some in this thread, it is concerning to me considering the amount of positive press and coverage ESO has been getting lately. We just made it to the final of the MMORPG.com mmo faceoff and it seems more and more people are coming back to the game. I hate for this to cause a spiral effect of bad press that tarnishes the progress made so far. With that said, I am optimistic that if there is enough of an issue, ZOS will eventually realize and make necessary changes. I am more concerned about the effect this will have on the ESO community as a whole.

I want this game to succeed and be around for a long time, and this is one of those things that can make or break a game (for the masses at least).

My request to those of you who dislike this change and may be feeling like quitting, please get on the test server and voice your opinion. Don't just complain on the forums but actually give real feedback. I am probably going to download it myself here just so I can check it out and comment on it.

It's not on the test server yet. This is also not simply a game mechanic that needs testing and feedback. How do you test the lack of compensation for content already consumed and the promise from ZOS that it would be compensated for? I don't think that will be part of the test server.

Champ system isn't on the PTS, YET. The PTS showing is more for more of an official report to the actual people working on the game. I feel like logging into the PTS and explaining the issue via an actual well thought out ticket may get more traction than just posting on these cluster threads. I just hope that enough people speak up on this.

Well there is a /feedback option in game that you can use (I have already used that, myself) but it couldn't hurt to give more feedback on the PTS as well I guess.