Duels? Yes or no?

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2014

No. And meh.

Elember · June 2014

Yes, any MMO that has PvP and guilds in it also needs dueling, this is how a guild holds an event to determine their champions so without dueling that is taken completely out of the game and that is a shame.

It is the easiest kind of guild event for any MMO developer to add into their game so not adding it makes the team look lazy simply because the whole thing is so easy to add, as long as you have auto decline in place it is nothing but a win for the entire game

ZENIMAX needs to add in dueling to avoid looking to lazy to have it in their game....

MornaBaine · June 2014

@Elember... I hadn't even considered using a duel function to hold tournaments and championships. Excellent point.

Sleepydan · June 2014

There absolutely should be dueling , and auto decline duels should not be the default state.

Default states are for newbies, the game ignorant. They should at least KNOW when someone wants to duel them, at least for the first time. It will likely be how they know it's even in the game in the first place.

Dueling is fun. Dueling is also good practice. All you sourpusses that already know you don't want to, fine. Auto decline should be an option. But you are not the game ignorant, you've been around the block and know all about game settings, hide helmet and otherwise.

Default settings are not meant for you. If you forget to change the setting first thing on an alt and god forbid have to actually decline a duel manually, I sure that is an immersion breaking insult you can overcome. Because getting notified when others are trying to interact with you is such a terrible thing.

If you can't get over it, maybe you should accept the duel and beat the guy to a pulp, then turn the setting to auto decline.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Sleepydan wrote: »

There absolutely should be dueling , and auto decline duels should not be the default state.

Default states are for newbies, the game ignorant. They should at least KNOW when someone wants to duel them, at least for the first time. It will likely be how they know it's even in the game in the first place.

Dueling is fun. Dueling is also good practice. All you sourpusses that already know you don't want to, fine. Auto decline should be an option. But you are not the game ignorant, you've been around the block and know all about game settings, hide helmet and otherwise.

Default settings are not meant for you. If you forget to change the setting first thing on an alt and god forbid have to actually decline a duel manually, I sure that is an immersion breaking insult you can overcome. Because getting notified when others are trying to interact with you is such a terrible thing.

If you can't get over it, maybe you should accept the duel and beat the guy to a pulp, then turn the setting to auto decline.

ALL OF THIS. Point well made. That is all.

AlexDougherty · June 2014

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Yes, for those who want to duel.
But it must be optional, or it becomes harassment, Swtor had an autodecline feature, which was perfect for duels. If they had a similar opt out then it would be perfect, for a given value of perfect.

Your can already be harassed with trade, group and guild invites

You can also add people to ignore, duelling is a seperate system.
But if it has an autodecline, then I'll support it, because it adds something to the game.

MornaBaine · June 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Yes, for those who want to duel.
But it must be optional, or it becomes harassment, Swtor had an autodecline feature, which was perfect for duels. If they had a similar opt out then it would be perfect, for a given value of perfect.

Your can already be harassed with trade, group and guild invites

You can also add people to ignore, duelling is a seperate system.
But if it has an autodecline, then I'll support it, because it adds something to the game.

It would definitely need an auto decline option. there's times you're just not going to want to be bothered. And it still works for RP because anyone you are RPing with you can just send a whisper and ask them if they want to escalate a situation to a physical confrontation and, if the answer is yes, you can then both switch on the duel function and then just switch it off again when you are done.

Elember · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Yes, for those who want to duel.
But it must be optional, or it becomes harassment, Swtor had an autodecline feature, which was perfect for duels. If they had a similar opt out then it would be perfect, for a given value of perfect.

Your can already be harassed with trade, group and guild invites

You can also add people to ignore, duelling is a seperate system.
But if it has an autodecline, then I'll support it, because it adds something to the game.

It would definitely need an auto decline option. there's times you're just not going to want to be bothered. And it still works for RP because anyone you are RPing with you can just send a whisper and ask them if they want to escalate a situation to a physical confrontation and, if the answer is yes, you can then both switch on the duel function and then just switch it off again when you are done.

Yes it is such a good RP tool if they implement it properly so that it is easy to switch on/off at your whim and the only two players who get any notice of the duel are the players that are in the duel.

Also as I said earlier in the thread, going back as far as Ultima Online, and I am looking at you Mr. Paul Sage, dueling is known to be a bountiful RP addition to the MMO and how you could allow it to be published without it is RP sacrilege.

MornaBaine · June 2014

I wish I knew how to make this a poll.

Hilgara · June 2014

Yes but only in designated zones. Nothing I hate more than someone in full PvP mode firing of a duel challenge to people just trying to get from A to B then trolling in chat calling you a coward.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Yes but only in designated zones. Nothing I hate more than someone in full PvP mode firing of a duel challenge to people just trying to get from A to B then trolling in chat calling you a coward.

Alas, *** will be ***. This is why I advocate for an auto-ignore option for a duel function. Essentially, you have to flag yourself FOR duels in order to ever receive a challenge in the first place. So no one can spam people with challenges, which would indeed get annoying quickly. This way there's no need to confine dueling to PvP only areas which, to my mind, would completely defeat the purpose of being able to duel in the first place.

Bhakura · June 2014

Sure im all for duels, but in an arena where you can queue up and get achievements and awards and what not.
If its open world anywhere duels, click a person and ask to duel then no, definitely not, NOT AGAIN.

Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
No
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
NO
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
... dude, im questing here NO, NJET, NADA, ZILCH
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
....
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
/ignore Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers

AlexDougherty · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

I wish I knew how to make this a poll.

Next to the "New Discussion" box, there is a dropdown box, select "New Poll" it should go to the set up for a poll.

But two warnings, First you can't edit a poll once you post it, and Second there have been polls on this before.

I personally think having as a thread means you get people talking about it, were as in a thread people vote and post without reading any comments. Of course you still get people just giving their views, but most of us read earlier comments, and even quote people.

And yes I know I've posted a thread before where I decried Polls, and I still do when they are overused, but I will never actually stop anyone from posting one. I may make snide comments if they are biased or just wrong, but I won't stop people doing them.

david271749 · June 2014

I'd take this over player housing any day.

AlexDougherty · June 2014

david271749 wrote: »

I'd take this over player housing any day.

Really I'm the other way around, I would like to show off my trophies in display cases, and put spare armour on dummies, and invite people to see.

Provided they couldn't loot my house.

Anlaemar · June 2014

This definantly should be a feature for those who want to compete. Optional, of course for those who don't care for such things.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Bhakura wrote: »

Sure im all for duels, but in an arena where you can queue up and get achievements and awards and what not.
If its open world anywhere duels, click a person and ask to duel then no, definitely not, NOT AGAIN.

Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
No
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
NO
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
... dude, im questing here NO, NJET, NADA, ZILCH
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
....
Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers wants to duel you do you accept?
/ignore Mr.Woopass OfallWoopassers

SIGH. Which, again, is why it would HAVE to come with an auto-decline option. Essentially, you would have to flag yourself to be open to dueling or you would not GET invitations to duel at all. HOPEFULLY WoW has been good for something and taught devs that there MUST be an auto-decline option for this function.

Noctisse · June 2014

Yay! Since personally I am not very fond of mass PVP, I think the option to have friendly (or unfriendly) duels is a must in MMOs! It even helps in the RP department... this game need more drunken brawls!

gorgona · June 2014

Yes.

And I also would appreciate duels without the possibility to decline at all....

MarkedOne · July 2014

Dueling and sparring is so important for people to get a fundamental understanding of how pvp works rather than being thrust into situations that require large amounts of focus and knowledge of mechanics like mass pvp.
Being able to breakdown a fight in a controlled setting is how people get good at what they do . For a new player cyrodiil is such a bad option .
Give us duels.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

No. Nope. Definitely not.

JD2013 · July 2014

Meh. I don't see it as essential. Same with Chat Bubbles.

But if it is optional, then why the heck not?

Hilgara · July 2014

They were useful in WOW for working out counters. My arena partners and I used to duel each other to get better at countering other classes.

kieso · July 2014

played tons of pvp MMO's and never thought dueling was a requirement; it's fun don't get me wrong but there's a large diminishing return on it preparing you for open world PVP.

pitdemon_ESO · July 2014

Check out any of the live streams for ESO.
Dueling is already here, and doing just fine.

KariTR · July 2014

Nope.

Even with opt out defaults, I hate seeing players duelling willy nilly in MMOs that allow for it. I like both PvE and PvP, but I prefer to keep the two play-styles completely separate.

However, if there were some control over where you could duel - for example, in your faction's base in Cyrodiil, or in specially created arenas - then I would have no objection whatsoever.

Mr.Turtlesworth · July 2014

I've been saying this since launch. Why shouldn't it be allowed?

BBSooner · July 2014

Add a sparring floor to the basement of each fighters guild (like TES:IV). Make dueling only possible there, implying that going there is consent to duels. Instance it to prevent chat/spell effect spam.

Next to the sparring floor put training dummies for people to test their dps (also to reduce spell effect spam in the regular fighters guild).

Tannakaobi · July 2014

Of course, but in designated area's, it can be a bit annoying when people duel around quest givers.

Also there is another option that I think would be even better. It would involve the justice system but dueling in towns, villages, temples and other such places should be against the law and punishable.

That's probably a little OTT though, so just dueling area's would be fine.

OrangeTheCat · July 2014

no.