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Duels? Yes or no?
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »
they are not the same as the real fight, those are intended to just open your understanding of where the skills come into play. you can practise all you like and pretend all you like but when it's the real thing and it's upon you youll freeze and your brain will change gears and realize it's happening in real life now and i need to do something fast or im going to die or loose this fight.
its not the same thing trust me i know from experiance that practise really isnt the same thing as the real life experiance and the real life experiance is the only true learning youll need.
once you begin to feel the reality of getting hit in the face and some one attacking you in anger and seriousness then it's the real training and learning.
just practicing and toying with it is no comparison at all.
All you are saying is that dueling does not help you get better in PvP in Cyrodiil.
it not only doesnt help you and make you better in cryodiil it also makes the problem worse. it's just like reading 2 different versions of eso from 2 different peoples perspectives. one person is going to give you an image of what eso is like and most definately will be different from the 2nd author. so now every time you go into eso you will remember things said in those two books and they will be conflicting in images and comparison's. your best bet is to go with one author and then draw up your own conclusions.
you want to learn about pvp then go pvp. it's realy just that simple.
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it. If by selfish people you mean ZOS then okay. Outside all the reasons I could provide you why it's not needed, and would be counter productive to further evolving game mechanics, the only reason ZOS needs to state is "no".
And they've clearly taken the "no" stance on the issue. This is evident by the complete absence of a mechanic that is relatively easy to add. Clearly it is part of their design choice for the game.
The reason I disagree completely with adding it, for the most part, it perpetuates a serious flaw in MMO's that developers should work to address. You and others in support would say, it's a common feature in MMO's which means ESO is silly not to have it. This leads to further homogenization of the genre, which I am vehemently against. As players, we should support design decisions that fall outside the norm, even when they are not our personal preference, not stifle them and seek to stamp them out wherever they exist. You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
And for the most part, you're the biggest part of the problem why we have seen no evolution in this genre for as many years as it has been around, and what little we've seen has been in the opposite direction. ESO is not exactly my cup of tea, besides things I like about it. But it has potential. And I would rather see the game move further torwards unique gameplay, as a means to bring players back, then focus design decisions on what 90% of the games on the market have.
We don't need a gear check E-Peen ego rub mechanic in the game, we need something that encourages players to do things that they don't normally take part in, and make it fun, like PVP. Duels are bland, pointless, and further alienate the player base from PVPers by misrepresenting who PVPers are. And it's great that ESO doesn't have it.
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arena25✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, I will agree that Cyrodiil is mostly on the job training, but duels can help. In fact, take this example:
I play a game called Rift, and that game there is a player who is a BEAST when it comes to Conquest (which Rifts Conquest is similar to Cyrodiil on ESO). His characters name is Predict, and he is such a monster at PvP that opposing teams first order of business when PvPing is to kill him and his guild mates (his guild is called Hello Kitty, don't ask me why it is named that way), with Predict being KOS (which stands for Kill On Sight). When I asked Predict how he and his guild mates are so successful at PvP, he had a very short answer:
"Duels".
And that's it. Whether it was in-guild duels, casual duels, or whatever, duels helped Predict become a great PvPer with a knack for tactics.
Now, you need to remember that duels are no substitute for actual PvP, but they can help.
Of course, it can be abused, and you can be harassed by players, but that's where your old friends, Mr. /ignore and Mr. Auto Decline Setting can be used.
This concludes my speech. Any questions?If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it. If by selfish people you mean ZOS then okay. Outside all the reasons I could provide you why it's not needed, and would be counter productive to further evolving game mechanics, the only reason ZOS needs to state is "no".
And they've clearly taken the "no" stance on the issue. This is evident by the complete absence of a mechanic that is relatively easy to add. Clearly it is part of their design choice for the game.
The reason I disagree completely with adding it, for the most part, it perpetuates a serious flaw in MMO's that developers should work to address. You and others in support would say, it's a common feature in MMO's which means ESO is silly not to have it. This leads to further homogenization of the genre, which I am vehemently against. As players, we should support design decisions that fall outside the norm, even when they are not our personal preference, not stifle them and seek to stamp them out wherever they exist. You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
And for the most part, you're the biggest part of the problem why we have seen no evolution in this genre for as many years as it has been around, and what little we've seen has been in the opposite direction. ESO is not exactly my cup of tea, besides things I like about it. But it has potential. And I would rather see the game move further torwards unique gameplay, as a means to bring players back, then focus design decisions on what 90% of the games on the market have.
We don't need a gear check E-Peen ego rub mechanic in the game, we need something that encourages players to do things that they don't normally take part in, and make it fun, like PVP. Duels are bland, pointless, and further alienate the player base from PVPers by misrepresenting who PVPers are. And it's great that ESO doesn't have it.
Well said.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course, it can be abused, and you can be harassed by players, but that's where your old friends, Mr. /ignore and Mr. Auto Decline Setting can be used.
but, sadly this doesnt work iether. people still find a way to insult and push the issue by speaking about you publicly that you declined to duel therefore you must be a terrible player. and it never ends. theres constant talk about why this person wont duel me and why that person declined to duel me. it realy never ends and truth be told it allways leads to people getting harrased and upset when there was no need for any of it to happen from the start.
if you want to fight that person then go find them in cryodiil. it really is just that simple.
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moxiesauce✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it. If by selfish people you mean ZOS then okay. Outside all the reasons I could provide you why it's not needed, and would be counter productive to further evolving game mechanics, the only reason ZOS needs to state is "no".
And they've clearly taken the "no" stance on the issue. This is evident by the complete absence of a mechanic that is relatively easy to add. Clearly it is part of their design choice for the game.
The reason I disagree completely with adding it, for the most part, it perpetuates a serious flaw in MMO's that developers should work to address. You and others in support would say, it's a common feature in MMO's which means ESO is silly not to have it. This leads to further homogenization of the genre, which I am vehemently against. As players, we should support design decisions that fall outside the norm, even when they are not our personal preference, not stifle them and seek to stamp them out wherever they exist. You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
And for the most part, you're the biggest part of the problem why we have seen no evolution in this genre for as many years as it has been around, and what little we've seen has been in the opposite direction. ESO is not exactly my cup of tea, besides things I like about it. But it has potential. And I would rather see the game move further torwards unique gameplay, as a means to bring players back, then focus design decisions on what 90% of the games on the market have.
We don't need a gear check E-Peen ego rub mechanic in the game, we need something that encourages players to do things that they don't normally take part in, and make it fun, like PVP. Duels are bland, pointless, and further alienate the player base from PVPers by misrepresenting who PVPers are. And it's great that ESO doesn't have it.
They are adding it, but with the current state of the game they feel it was a poor choice. It most certainly WILL be in the game.1 -
moxiesauce✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
Of course, it can be abused, and you can be harassed by players, but that's where your old friends, Mr. /ignore and Mr. Auto Decline Setting can be used.
but, sadly this doesnt work iether. people still find a way to insult and push the issue by speaking about you publicly that you declined to duel therefore you must be a terrible player. and it never ends. theres constant talk about why this person wont duel me and why that person declined to duel me. it realy never ends and truth be told it allways leads to people getting harrased and upset when there was no need for any of it to happen from the start.
if you want to fight that person then go find them in cryodiil. it really is just that simple.
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭moxiesauce wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it. If by selfish people you mean ZOS then okay. Outside all the reasons I could provide you why it's not needed, and would be counter productive to further evolving game mechanics, the only reason ZOS needs to state is "no".
And they've clearly taken the "no" stance on the issue. This is evident by the complete absence of a mechanic that is relatively easy to add. Clearly it is part of their design choice for the game.
The reason I disagree completely with adding it, for the most part, it perpetuates a serious flaw in MMO's that developers should work to address. You and others in support would say, it's a common feature in MMO's which means ESO is silly not to have it. This leads to further homogenization of the genre, which I am vehemently against. As players, we should support design decisions that fall outside the norm, even when they are not our personal preference, not stifle them and seek to stamp them out wherever they exist. You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
And for the most part, you're the biggest part of the problem why we have seen no evolution in this genre for as many years as it has been around, and what little we've seen has been in the opposite direction. ESO is not exactly my cup of tea, besides things I like about it. But it has potential. And I would rather see the game move further torwards unique gameplay, as a means to bring players back, then focus design decisions on what 90% of the games on the market have.
We don't need a gear check E-Peen ego rub mechanic in the game, we need something that encourages players to do things that they don't normally take part in, and make it fun, like PVP. Duels are bland, pointless, and further alienate the player base from PVPers by misrepresenting who PVPers are. And it's great that ESO doesn't have it.
They are adding it, but with the current state of the game they feel it was a poor choice. It most certainly WILL be in the game.
A link would be nice, otherwise it's a statement with no substance.
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »
they are not the same as the real fight, those are intended to just open your understanding of where the skills come into play. you can practise all you like and pretend all you like but when it's the real thing and it's upon you youll freeze and your brain will change gears and realize it's happening in real life now and i need to do something fast or im going to die or loose this fight.
its not the same thing trust me i know from experiance that practise really isnt the same thing as the real life experiance and the real life experiance is the only true learning youll need.
once you begin to feel the reality of getting hit in the face and some one attacking you in anger and seriousness then it's the real training and learning.
just practicing and toying with it is no comparison at all.
All you are saying is that dueling does not help you get better in PvP in Cyrodiil.
it not only doesnt help you and make you better in cryodiil it also makes the problem worse. it's just like reading 2 different versions of eso from 2 different peoples perspectives. one person is going to give you an image of what eso is like and most definately will be different from the 2nd author. so now every time you go into eso you will remember things said in those two books and they will be conflicting in images and comparison's. your best bet is to go with one author and then draw up your own conclusions.
you want to learn about pvp then go pvp. it's realy just that simple.
Wait, what?
So, you are afraid people's reviews of the game?
That is your argument now?0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭you asked me quite a few questions and i answered those questions for you as clearly and calmly as i could with the best answers i had when infact i only wanted to say "no"
you have your answers from me and you have antagonized this issue with me personaly far enough.
have a good day.0 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it.
It is fun.
*drops microphone*
Peace out....You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
I'm saying I want it because it is fun.
You are saying you don't want it because other games have it. That is just dumb, sorry.
Being different, just to be different is not a good reason.1 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Paul Sage mentions dueling here: http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/
Don't expect dueling to happen before the Justice System is in place.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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moxiesauce✭✭✭moxiesauce wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it. If by selfish people you mean ZOS then okay. Outside all the reasons I could provide you why it's not needed, and would be counter productive to further evolving game mechanics, the only reason ZOS needs to state is "no".
And they've clearly taken the "no" stance on the issue. This is evident by the complete absence of a mechanic that is relatively easy to add. Clearly it is part of their design choice for the game.
The reason I disagree completely with adding it, for the most part, it perpetuates a serious flaw in MMO's that developers should work to address. You and others in support would say, it's a common feature in MMO's which means ESO is silly not to have it. This leads to further homogenization of the genre, which I am vehemently against. As players, we should support design decisions that fall outside the norm, even when they are not our personal preference, not stifle them and seek to stamp them out wherever they exist. You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
And for the most part, you're the biggest part of the problem why we have seen no evolution in this genre for as many years as it has been around, and what little we've seen has been in the opposite direction. ESO is not exactly my cup of tea, besides things I like about it. But it has potential. And I would rather see the game move further torwards unique gameplay, as a means to bring players back, then focus design decisions on what 90% of the games on the market have.
We don't need a gear check E-Peen ego rub mechanic in the game, we need something that encourages players to do things that they don't normally take part in, and make it fun, like PVP. Duels are bland, pointless, and further alienate the player base from PVPers by misrepresenting who PVPers are. And it's great that ESO doesn't have it.
They are adding it, but with the current state of the game they feel it was a poor choice. It most certainly WILL be in the game.
A link would be nice, otherwise it's a statement with no substance.
it's linked all over the forums Paul Sage's review ESO off the record 118, I think Dulfy even wrote up a site summarizing it.0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭one more promise ZOS has reneged on. Not surprised.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it.
It is fun.
*drops microphone*
Peace out....You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
I'm saying I want it because it is fun.
You are saying you don't want it because other games have it. That is just dumb, sorry.
Being different, just to be different is not a good reason.
Well I knew that wouldn't take long. You ask for reasoning as to why people are against it, which I would imagine for everyone it is somewhat different, then proceed to ignore those points entirely and resort to playground antics.
"But it's fun, your idea is dumb."
If your PVP skill is anything like your debating ability, I can completely see why you insist on bastardizing PVP, makes sense.
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Paul Sage mentions dueling here: http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/
Don't expect dueling to happen before the Justice System is in place.
That's fine. As long as the justice system is somewhat unique and inventive, I'm all for that. But somehow I expect it won't be long until the same group on the forums is whinging like a wounded donkey about it before any redeeming qualities about it are killed off.
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it.
It is fun.
*drops microphone*
Peace out....You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
I'm saying I want it because it is fun.
You are saying you don't want it because other games have it. That is just dumb, sorry.
Being different, just to be different is not a good reason.
Well I knew that wouldn't take long. You ask for reasoning as to why people are against it, which I would imagine for everyone it is somewhat different, then proceed to ignore those points entirely and resort to playground antics.
"But it's fun, your idea is dumb."
If your PVP skill is anything like your debating ability, I can completely see why you insist on bastardizing PVP, makes sense.
ROFLMAO!
I countered your reasons, i did not ignore them.
I explained why your opinion is dumb. Change my words around to make me look like i was picking on you if you want, it will not change reality.
"There is no logical reason to have it."
It is fun.
"You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not."
I'm saying I want it because it is fun.
You are saying you don't want it because other games have it. That is just dumb, sorry.
Being different, just to be different is not a good reason.
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badmojo✭✭✭✭✭
✭In an arena for no rewards...maybe.
Adding it to the interaction menu, no.
Dueling in Cyrodiil, no.[DC/NA]0 -
moxiesauce✭✭✭Paul Sage mentions dueling here: http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/
Don't expect dueling to happen before the Justice System is in place.
That's fine. As long as the justice system is somewhat unique and inventive, I'm all for that. But somehow I expect it won't be long until the same group on the forums is whinging like a wounded donkey about it before any redeeming qualities about it are killed off.
What if dueling was only allowed in housing zones
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it.
It is fun.
*drops microphone*
Peace out....You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
I'm saying I want it because it is fun.
You are saying you don't want it because other games have it. That is just dumb, sorry.
Being different, just to be different is not a good reason.
Well I knew that wouldn't take long. You ask for reasoning as to why people are against it, which I would imagine for everyone it is somewhat different, then proceed to ignore those points entirely and resort to playground antics.
"But it's fun, your idea is dumb."
If your PVP skill is anything like your debating ability, I can completely see why you insist on bastardizing PVP, makes sense.
ROFLMAO!
I countered your reasons, i did not ignore them.
I explained why your opinion is dumb. Change my words around to make me look like i was picking on you if you want, it will not change reality.
You explained why my opinion is dumb? Where was this exactly? "It is fun".
Sound reasoning
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DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭On top of ZoS adding a duel system into ESO (with an option to set for auto-decline) I'd love to see target dummies too so one could test out their DPS/Rotations. There's already tons of target dummies in the game but they're only just for show or for NPC's to use.1 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You explained why my opinion is dumb? Where was this exactly?
Umm... no offense, but you can read english, yes?
You are saying you don't want it because other games have it.
Being different, just to be different is not a good reason. <---exactly right here."It is fun".
Sound reasoning,
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]
So, to be clear, fun things should not be added to the game if they are fun, because [snip] is fun?
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on July 15, 2014 1:33PM0 -
arena25✭✭✭✭✭I want target dummies too. They have them in Cyrodiil, so why not in the open world if you are adding a duel feature (that is, IF they do add it)If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!0
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭moxiesauce wrote: »Paul Sage mentions dueling here: http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/
Don't expect dueling to happen before the Justice System is in place.
That's fine. As long as the justice system is somewhat unique and inventive, I'm all for that. But somehow I expect it won't be long until the same group on the forums is whinging like a wounded donkey about it before any redeeming qualities about it are killed off.
What if dueling was only allowed in housing zones Those that don't want it wont get it, those that do will. Everyone wins.
I'd say outside city zones should do the trick. That is how it works in most MMOs. It keeps the cities clear and does not bother anyone if they are away from the population hubs.1 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭moxiesauce wrote: »Paul Sage mentions dueling here: http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/
Don't expect dueling to happen before the Justice System is in place.
That's fine. As long as the justice system is somewhat unique and inventive, I'm all for that. But somehow I expect it won't be long until the same group on the forums is whinging like a wounded donkey about it before any redeeming qualities about it are killed off.
What if dueling was only allowed in housing zones Those that don't want it wont get it, those that do will. Everyone wins.
It's perfectly fine with me if they add it, in whatever manifestation. Cyrodiil is already mostly dead, class balance is a joke. It's not a PVPers game at this stage. I suppose it makes sense to allow the PVEers a mechanic where they can fancy themselves uber PVPers, since the genuine article is trickling off.
I was thinking for the health of the game it would be wise to invest in features that encourages meaningful PVP, if that is not their intention, so be it.
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »
Coming from someone who can't even respond to posts in full and has to focus on the sentence fragments she can actually comprehend, the irony in this post is astounding. By all means, if the hilarity hadn't already ensued, I'd say it's thriving at this point.
Also, the point you're futilely to prove was already addressed in the initial post that's twisted you up so badly. You are in fact wanting to add features for the sake of adding them, I say let the developers add game mechanics based on their vision of the game, but you won't have that. All good. Im quite happy to move to a very non carebeary game where I don't need your permission to "PLZ DOOL ME NOW" and I can just take care of whatever issue you have posthaste, on my terms. That's the way the big boys play.
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✭✭Im quite happy to move to a very non carebeary game where I don't need your permission to "PLZ DOOL ME NOW" and I can just take care of whatever issue you have posthaste, on my terms. That's the way the big boys play.
Can I have your stuff?Coming from someone who can't even respond to posts in full and has to focus on the sentence fragments she can actually comprehend, the irony in this post is astounding. By all means, if the hilarity hadn't already ensued, I'd say it's thriving at this point.
I see we are the point where you lost the argument, so you are just going for the insults.
/ignore.Edited by Blackwidow on July 15, 2014 12:29AM0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »Im quite happy to move to a very non carebeary game where I don't need your permission to "PLZ DOOL ME NOW" and I can just take care of whatever issue you have posthaste, on my terms. That's the way the big boys play.
Can I have your stuff?
I see we are the point where you lost the argument, so you are just going for the insults.
/ignore.
You certainly can has my stuff, you just have to come with me to the full PVP game I'm talking about and try to take it. Somehow I'd imagine you'll spend even more time on the forums whining there than here though, so that may not be advisable.
I tried to reason with you, you insisted on calling people dumb and trying to throw your forum weight around. I gave you every opportunity to have a civil discourse, but you declined.
You have to treat people how you want to be treated. These lessons in life should've been learned long ago, for such a great MMO veteran.
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Tamanous✭✭✭✭✭Duels are fine is allowed outside of cities and major towns and done in a lore friendly way. Seeing continuous random duels to the death goes against the immersive concept ZOS is striving for.
It is obvious many players want this. More systems added to the game is a good thing but it is apparent ZOS likes to put their own twist on things in order for it to fit within their concept of a TES game. I foresee much the same with this system and hope it makes sense.
My suggestion is that if people want to duel with weapons it should certainly not be allowed to the death anywhere near civilized areas, should reside outside of towns and possibly in arena settings and if guards witness illegal activity (once the justice systems is in) have the ability to lay the beat down or arrest those trying to break the rules (if even allowed).
When will players here finally understand that simply randomly throwing systems into ESO goes against design philosophy? Do you think knife fighting is going to be allowed in your own city out of the blue? Not going to happen.
There are also better ways to discuss topics like this. If 50% of the player population wants something added to the game then ZOS is obligated to look into it. The other 50% not wanting it means NOTHING if they have the choice to not participate with zero impact on their game play. You are voting to deny something to others that has no impact on you. Don't want to duel? Don't.Edited by Tamanous on July 15, 2014 12:42AM0 -
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✭✭I tried to reason with you, you insisted on calling people dumb and trying to throw your forum weight around.
"calling people dumb" Who else are you claiming I called dumb?
I never called you dumb and I did not know I had so much clout I was throwing my weight around.
I said very clearly, "You are saying you don't want it because other games have it. That is just dumb, sorry.
Being different, just to be different is not a good reason."
The idea of different just to be different is not logical. It is just that simple.
Just because I think an idea is dumb, does not mean I think you are dumb. I would hope you would understand the difference.I gave you every opportunity to have a civil discourse, but you declined.
Clearly, you were trying to be nice as possible while I trolled you to the ends of the earth.
I see that now. *rolleyes*
Maybe I should not have called your idea stupid, but to be fair I did say sorry in the same sentence and your comment was not very logical.
Now, we can drop this and be calm or you can continue to rant and i will really have to ignore you.Edited by Blackwidow on July 15, 2014 12:57AM0