Duels? Yes or no?

Vilixiti

YES. Thank you in advance, Zenimax. I personally am very excited about a duel function. I want to be able to fight my friends

Blackwidow

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

Well blackwidow. I hate to say it but I agree with you. Lol

The first time it hurts a little, but then you start to really like it.

Blackwidow

SaibotLiu wrote: »

So as a "hardcore PVPer" you're basically happy getting a WoW clone...

This is what you call a non starter.

Hyperbole at it's finest.

I tell you what. If you can prove to me that ESO will become WoW by adding dueling, I will give you 100k gold in the game.

Acercyst

This topic should not even be a debate. Duels are just as essential to an mmo as a raid is, or a siege is. Honestly I was surprised the first day i got the game and realized they didn't put duels in the game, and I'm still surprised. An mmo without duels is like a raid boss without mechanics. Everyone wants to say their better then the next guy, but when there's no proof what do we have? a bunch of teens trying to see who can yell the loudest...?

PVE zone, PVP zone, Or even right outside your main town. Duels should be allowed to happen. For those that are against duels? you now have to press x to decline the duel.....i don't really feel bad for ya.

Mordria

Why duels, because other games have it? I really don't want this in the game. It will get really annoying, really fast with people dueling in banks, at the market, crafting stations.. ugh. There's already a PVP area what's wrong with doing it there?

Makkir

SaibotLiu wrote: »

So as a "hardcore PVPer" you're basically happy getting a WoW clone because there aren't near enough of those already, just because that's what appeals to the lowest common denominator. I call BS on at least one of those thoughts, you can't be a "hardcore PVPer" and reconcile vanilla gameplay and a game selling its soul for subs with making a good game, it doesn't work like that. Generally you have to pick one or the other.

So allow me to educate you. The vast majority of the "Hardcore PVP" market wants open world PVP, duels a nonfactor. This is why we have games like Dark Fall and Archeage. While these games may not be thriving successes in the west, in other areas of the world like Korea where MMO's are a profession, this is what people want. If you're in support of cramming as many features into an MMO and making it a muddled incoherent mess with no identity, then I suppose you can keep your fickle casual market, and play cash grab games for a few months before you move on. Because that's all they ever amount to. Then they exist on F2P life support for the duration because they bring nothing unique or interesting to the market. That's what your precious casual community has done to MMO's.

If you realize that WoW is never happening again, and the future of the MMO is in niche games that cater to specific playstyles, then you'd be with me. But that takes just a bit more vision, but you readily accept what developers want to feed you, without bothering to look for an alternative.

[SNIP] Where did I mention World of Warcraft? I was general in my statement saying "My MMO Adventures." I have played a healthy handful of PvP MMOs competitively. I never asked for a WoW Clone...in fact for those who know well of my posts on these forums know that I praise ESO for being original and NOT a WoW clone. Dueling pre-dates WoW by the way. [SNIP] And before you start throwing me into a category like the lowest common denominator, you should do a discussion history search first and would see I am very much on the other side. I still think Star Wars Galaxies (pre-NGE) was the best MMO to date, out of the 30 or so I have played. And you can't get much further from WoW than that.

[SNIP] The largest segment of the MMO Market is the PvE players, and it is absolutely larger than the PvP pool by a longshot. You're not gaining marketshare creating a PVP MMO. I am ALL FOR PvP, but it would be insane for a company, especially this one, to switch focus primarily on PvP [SNIP]. The lowest common denominator unfortunately is the highest paying subscriber base.

I am all for dueling, as I have stated. [SNIP] This is a discussion about dueling [SNIP]. I am fairly certain the bulk of TESO fans and players are NOT here for PvP...so in what intelligible business world would Zenimax switch their focus to the 5% of their paying customers instead of the other 95%? [SNIP]

And yes those games you listed like Dark Fall are not thriving successes basically because of what I just said....the PvP player base isn't exactly huge in the MMO pool. You need to find an MMO suited for your play style. In other words, you can't get [SNIP] because a Rooster isn't acting like Kangaroo. It is what it is. EVE is probably the only successful PvP Oriented MMO, and it's so well established people aren't going to abandon it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Makkir

Blackwidow wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

So as a "hardcore PVPer" you're basically happy getting a WoW clone...

This is what you call a non starter.

Hyperbole at it's finest.

I tell you what. If you can prove to me that ESO will become WoW by adding dueling, I will give you 100k gold in the game.

Who the hell is this kid and who let him in here?
Did you read what he wrote? Does that even sound like me? I am Captain Anti-AH after all...

This game is so far from a WoW Clone I don't know how deluded from reality you have to be to even think that...

Noctisse

In spite of some rather ''special'' people and their ''special'' opinions (since when is dueling a licenced WOW trademark?!), it's good to see that this thread is still alive

Blackwidow

Makkir wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

So as a "hardcore PVPer" you're basically happy getting a WoW clone...

This is what you call a non starter.

Hyperbole at it's finest.

I tell you what. If you can prove to me that ESO will become WoW by adding dueling, I will give you 100k gold in the game.

Who the hell is this kid and who let him in here?
Did you read what he wrote? Does that even sound like me? I am Captain Anti-AH after all...

This game is so far from a WoW Clone I don't know how deluded from reality you have to be to even think that...

I know you are yelling about him, but why are you shouting at me?

Makkir

Because you always leave the door open and just about anyone can walk in to the conversation

rynth

if they make dueling optional I don't see what the big deal is, if you don't like dueling then you aren't forced to do it. But, if you do like it then why not be given the option to do it. I'm confused as to why people would even be against it

FlatLine84

rynth wrote: »

if they make dueling optional I don't see what the big deal is, if you don't like dueling then you aren't forced to do it. But, if you do like it then why not be given the option to do it. I'm confused as to why people would even be against it

Confused? let me just say it cause we all are thinking it..... CAREBEARS that's who, stay at home daddies, or socially awkward people that fear any form of competition.

Blackwidow

FlatLine84 wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

if they make dueling optional I don't see what the big deal is, if you don't like dueling then you aren't forced to do it. But, if you do like it then why not be given the option to do it. I'm confused as to why people would even be against it

Confused? let me just say it cause we all are thinking it..... CAREBEARS that's who, stay at home daddies, or socially awkward people that fear any form of competition.

No, only rude people are thinking that.

For arguments sake, let's say you are right. Why do you care if people are carebears who do not want to go to Cyrodiil?

How does it affect you?

Turn on /autodecline and you never have to think about it ever again.

Aeradon

Not having it coded didn't stop the duelling. There're some cross faction guilds made for duelling, and they serve that purpose very well.

Blackwidow

Aeradon wrote: »

Not having it coded didn't stop the duelling. There're some cross faction guilds made for duelling, and they serve that purpose very well.

No, they don't.

If I am traveling with my friend and we decide we want to duel, the guilds can do nothing to help us in that manner.

I think some of you really don't grasp what dueling is in MMOs.

Aeradon

Blackwidow wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

Not having it coded didn't stop the duelling. There're some cross faction guilds made for duelling, and they serve that purpose very well.

No, they don't.

If I am traveling with my friend and we decide we want to duel, the guilds can do nothing to help us in that manner.

I think some of you really don't grasp what dueling is in MMOs.

Don't go all angry on me! I'm saying they do cause it gives the rush and it gives a nice player touch to it. Players set up the time and place, place bets that some may not honour, players gather around to watch the duel, winner revives the loser and /salute. You don't see all these with a coded duel.

Don't get me wrong. I want the option to duel anytime anywhere. Duelling has been a must have MMO trend for a while now, pretty stupid not to have during launch cause there's definitely a sizeable portion of the market that desires it. I'm saying it's a pretty decent alternative that quenches the thirst pretty well, with a different flavour and more human approach.

The Cons that I hate about duels.

Don't you feel that the cities are more like cities without random idiots duelling and spamming skills? (I know this could be fixed with a simple code to flag the area, but ZOS has been overly brilliant with their codes. They redefine codebreaker)

The annoying turds that run around spamming duel just to annoy you. (Could be fixed with auto decline, but then again, you have monkeys doing the codes.)

Blackwidow

Aeradon wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

Not having it coded didn't stop the duelling. There're some cross faction guilds made for duelling, and they serve that purpose very well.

No, they don't.

If I am traveling with my friend and we decide we want to duel, the guilds can do nothing to help us in that manner.

I think some of you really don't grasp what dueling is in MMOs.

Don't go all angry on me!

No caps. No bold letters. No large letters. No letters changed in any way.

Why did you think I was angry.

I'm saying they do cause it gives the rush and it gives a nice player touch to it. Players set up the time and place, place bets that some may not honour, players gather around to watch the duel, winner revives the loser and /salute. You don't see all these with a coded duel.

I never said you could not duel in Cyrodiil or that they are not dueling. I was just saying that is not the dueling we are asking for.

The Cons that I hate about duels.

Don't you feel that the cities are more like cities without random idiots duelling and spamming skills? (I know this could be fixed with a simple code to flag the area, but ZOS has been overly brilliant with their codes. They redefine codebreaker)

If we stopped asking for stuff because of the bad programming ZOS did, we could not even hope for bugs to get fixed.

Yes, I want dueling outside cities. This is the normal way it is done in MMOS, even as far back as UO.

The annoying turds that run around spamming duel just to annoy you. (Could be fixed with auto decline, but then again, you have monkeys doing the codes.)

/auto decline is your friend.

Makkir

FlatLine84 wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

if they make dueling optional I don't see what the big deal is, if you don't like dueling then you aren't forced to do it. But, if you do like it then why not be given the option to do it. I'm confused as to why people would even be against it

Confused? let me just say it cause we all are thinking it..... CAREBEARS that's who, stay at home daddies, or socially awkward people that fear any form of competition.

You know you can go play Call of Duty and Halo if you want a PvP centered game right? By the way, I enjoy both PvE and PvP and I fully support a Dueling option. I also fully support Carebears because they are 83.7% of the MMO pool who keep MMOs alive. I was 2.4k rated in WoW for 3 seasons. And I am also a carebear.

This game was not designed with e-peens in mind. Sounds like it's not the game for you.

Makkir

Blackwidow wrote: »

I think some of you really don't grasp what dueling is in MMOs.

Addendum to what he said, dueling typically doesn't take a toll on your gear. Fighting 1v1 in a controlled setting in Cyrodill (Aka player created duels) does.

Blackwidow

Makkir wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I think some of you really don't grasp what dueling is in MMOs.

Addendum to what he said, dueling typically doesn't take a toll on your gear. Fighting 1v1 in a controlled setting in Cyrodill (Aka player created duels) does.

True dat.

Aeradon

@Blackwidow‌

Meh. We all know there are great examples of perfect duelling systems. And that we as consumers should keep them on their toes with constant demands.

But then again....

I'm still afraid they might break something whenever they push something. The upcoming 1.3.0 is more frightening than exciting if you ask me.

The last time they broke the FPS with lighting patch. They might break the guild bank or your inventory this time with all these guild stuff, as well as a UI break on the dye-achievement change.

Let the game stay the way it is until they can hire a better crew is all I ask for now. My stamina regen still show as 0 all the time, it's really a simple code. Not to mention after the hot fix I've been crashing every 5-10 minutes, and sometimes my rig sounds like it came out of Rolls Royce and Boeing. they fixed the FPS but widened the memory leak.

Blackwidow

Aeradon wrote: »

I'm still afraid they might break something whenever they push something.

Aeradon, let me put your mind at ease.

They will screw this up.

Aeradon

Blackwidow wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

I'm still afraid they might break something whenever they push something.

Aeradon, let me put your mind at ease.

They will screw this up.

The sad fact is, the players all know and accept that as a norm now. I'm just hoping they don't break anything major this time around.

And I really hate it when they "fix" it.

Blackwidow

Aeradon wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

I'm still afraid they might break something whenever they push something.

Aeradon, let me put your mind at ease.

They will screw this up.

The sad fact is, the players all know and accept that as a norm now. I'm just hoping they don't break anything major this time around.

And I really hate it when they "fix" it.

/agreed

MercyKilling

Blackwidow wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

I'm still afraid they might break something whenever they push something.

Aeradon, let me put your mind at ease.

They will screw this up.

I thow in with that certainty the firm belief that people will horrendously abuse the justice/crime system and somehow turn in into a tool to grief other players.

Blackwidow

MercyKilling wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

I'm still afraid they might break something whenever they push something.

Aeradon, let me put your mind at ease.

They will screw this up.

I thow in with that certainty the firm belief that people will horrendously abuse the justice/crime system and somehow turn in into a tool to grief other players.

I don't think it will be the players that screw it up, unless the system allows for it.

Hilgara

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Snip/

Come off it, STFD and STFU.

You're dismissed.

Drop the keyboard hero crap. There's no need

SaibotLiu

Hilgara wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Snip/

Come off it, STFD and STFU.

You're dismissed.

Drop the keyboard hero crap. There's no need

LOL

I'm not the one who turned this into a flame fest. You've added plenty of snide useless remarks yourself.

So yeah, no. *** off.

ForTheRealm

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Duelling is fun with guildies and buddies.

Its a good way to test your build and playstyle.

Its also fun to watch when you pass by and see a duel.

I would suport it if it were optional (it always is anyway).

but not in crafting areas / banks / AH oops etc.

Too many conservative naysayers in these forums

I totally agree with you.

Yes for duels, but separate it from AvA and PvE experience.

I believe it is one of the best ways to improve your combat skills and immerse with the chosen build.

SaibotLiu

Blackwidow wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

So as a "hardcore PVPer" you're basically happy getting a WoW clone...

This is what you call a non starter.

Hyperbole at it's finest.

I tell you what. If you can prove to me that ESO will become WoW by adding dueling, I will give you 100k gold in the game.

Honestly, how you managed to get "ESO is/or will become a WoW clone" out of that statement eludes me. Besides the complete lack of the words "ESO" and the words "is" or "will become", were there not any other indicators that maybe it was a general statement and not meant to be applied to a particular game? But I realize you're not the only one to make that mistake, which is more of a commentary on the mean IQ of your average schmo than anything.

Maybe try reading the previous comment that I was responding to, or at least reading the entire post. Go procure yourself a context, then come back and at least attempt to model your post after a human being who has some sense.

Or just keep on with your "sentence fragment ADD" style posting because, sounding like you have the faintest idea what you're on about is far too hard.

I'll take your 100k gold just the same, because evidently, you said you will give it to me, and reading the rest of the post is not a requirement.