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Duels? Yes or no?
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Sure. Teso needs to let players kill NPCs and other player(when they accept duel).MornaBaine wrote: »Do you feel ESO should implement a duel function? Yes or no? Feel free to elaborate. Also, if they are actually planning to implement a duel function, I'd love to know!
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭Yeah yeah...but....the question is.....
Should people who want to duel be allowed to. Regardless of what you think its worth is would adding the option benefit the game?
Yes it would because some people like doing it and it doesn't detract from those that don't (if done correctly)
Anything that adds content has to be a good thing if its can be ignored by those that don't want to do it. I can't see how duelling, or any other kind of content added to the game can be a bad thing.
And duelling does help any kind of PvP. The hardest thing for a PvE'er to get to grips with in PvP is not panicking and being able to think logicality about what they need to do instead of mashing any ability they can reach. Controlled duelling with people who are trying to teach you is great for that. I learned so much from my area buddies in wow but the main thing was not to panic. Dying while all sweaty with your heart racing is still dying so if you are gonna die you might as well do it calmly
Edited by Hilgara on July 15, 2014 10:57AM0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Yeah yeah...but....the question is.....
Should people who want to duel be allowed to. Regardless of what you think its worth is would adding the option benefit the game?
Yes it would because some people like doing it and it doesn't detract from those that don't (if done correctly)
Anything that adds content has to be a good thing if its can be ignored by those that don't want to do it. I can't see how duelling, or any other kind of content added to the game can be a bad thing.
Apparently they've already said they are adding it. To the detriment of lvl 23 templars everywhere. Prepare for system message spam.And duelling does help any kind of PvP. The hardest thing for a PvE'er to get to grips with in PvP is not panicking and being able to think logicality about what they need to do instead of mashing any ability they can reach. Controlled duelling with people who are trying to teach you is great for that. I learned so much from my area buddies in wow but the main thing was not to panic. Dying while all sweaty with your heart racing is still dying so if you are gonna die you might as well do it calmly
All pressure is self imposed, there's really no such thing. If dueling helped you deal with a pressure situation, it's a placebo effect. One really has little to do with the other.
So what you learned in dueling is how not to die. You would've known that anyways if you weren't panicking. After you've died about 20 times in PVP, it kinda has the same effect as what you're describing, and you have the added bonus of learning how to deal with situational stuff.
But if you're saying the point of dueling is to prepare for PVP, I really don't understand all this "dueling is the real PVP" talk. Doesn't add up.
Edited by SaibotLiu on July 15, 2014 11:15AM0 -
Ruebs✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it. If by selfish people you mean ZOS then okay. Outside all the reasons I could provide you why it's not needed, and would be counter productive to further evolving game mechanics, the only reason ZOS needs to state is "no".
And they've clearly taken the "no" stance on the issue. This is evident by the complete absence of a mechanic that is relatively easy to add. Clearly it is part of their design choice for the game.
The reason I disagree completely with adding it, for the most part, it perpetuates a serious flaw in MMO's that developers should work to address. You and others in support would say, it's a common feature in MMO's which means ESO is silly not to have it. This leads to further homogenization of the genre, which I am vehemently against. As players, we should support design decisions that fall outside the norm, even when they are not our personal preference, not stifle them and seek to stamp them out wherever they exist. You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
And for the most part, you're the biggest part of the problem why we have seen no evolution in this genre for as many years as it has been around, and what little we've seen has been in the opposite direction. ESO is not exactly my cup of tea, besides things I like about it. But it has potential. And I would rather see the game move further torwards unique gameplay, as a means to bring players back, then focus design decisions on what 90% of the games on the market have.
We don't need a gear check E-Peen ego rub mechanic in the game, we need something that encourages players to do things that they don't normally take part in, and make it fun, like PVP. Duels are bland, pointless, and further alienate the player base from PVPers by misrepresenting who PVPers are. And it's great that ESO doesn't have it.
There PLENTY of 'logical' reasons for a duel arena, which have been thoroughly stated throughout this thread.
Some of the more obverse reasons include: Battling friends/Guild mates and Optimizing your build for pvp's.
Plus the fact people generally get over the zerg fest that is Cyrodiil and simply want some controlled 1v1 where you can properly pit yourself against your opponent, in a fair fight, without interruptions and gankers, for a true test of skill. Converse to the current 'numbers game' where everyone runs in a herd and spams the same spell.
It doesn't have to be an arena. Any manifestation of a controlled 1v1 area would be loved and appreciated by a LARGE portion of the players.
P.S I found your reasoning regarding 'Arena's preventing the 'evolution' of games' laughable.
Edited by Ruebs on July 15, 2014 11:33AM0 -
Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »
Duels are a pointless waste of time that draw in a very specific personality that has the need to feel gratified with some sort of bragging right for participating in a completely consequence free and controlled combat. Much like arenas. You know when it is going to happen and against how many, you even get the heads up of knowing who your opponent is going to be.
What a load of bull!
Duels help you work out counters for other classes. Most duelling happens between friends who want to improve their gameplay.
There is a lot of people here who seem to want to limit the game to their own ver specific requirements. That won't work as an MMO.
ALL MMO's have to cater for a wide verity of people who enjoy a wide verity of game play. You have to have stuff for the hardcore raiders, the l33t PvP'ers, the casual gamers, the RP'ers....
No one of these populations is enough to keep a MMO alive, especially not a sub charging MMO
I don't know about that. WoW is surviving almost entirely off of it's novelty purchasing, carebear population. That doesn't seem like much variety to me but it has duels, maybe try it
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »I see dueling as a mockery of PVP. In PVP you don't always get to choose your fights, you don't always have time to be prepared, you don't always have assurances of a fair fight. Dueling provides those who are scared to be beaten on terms not their own a way to seek self validation on a video game, more often than not. Training is irrelevant. PVP has and always will be on the job training.
Right now there is no logical reason to not have dueling, other than selfish people who don't want others to have a feature that would make a lot of players happy and not effect your game at all.
There is no logical reason to have it. If by selfish people you mean ZOS then okay. Outside all the reasons I could provide you why it's not needed, and would be counter productive to further evolving game mechanics, the only reason ZOS needs to state is "no".
And they've clearly taken the "no" stance on the issue. This is evident by the complete absence of a mechanic that is relatively easy to add. Clearly it is part of their design choice for the game.
The reason I disagree completely with adding it, for the most part, it perpetuates a serious flaw in MMO's that developers should work to address. You and others in support would say, it's a common feature in MMO's which means ESO is silly not to have it. This leads to further homogenization of the genre, which I am vehemently against. As players, we should support design decisions that fall outside the norm, even when they are not our personal preference, not stifle them and seek to stamp them out wherever they exist. You're telling the developers that you want more of the same, I'm telling them we do not.
And for the most part, you're the biggest part of the problem why we have seen no evolution in this genre for as many years as it has been around, and what little we've seen has been in the opposite direction. ESO is not exactly my cup of tea, besides things I like about it. But it has potential. And I would rather see the game move further torwards unique gameplay, as a means to bring players back, then focus design decisions on what 90% of the games on the market have.
We don't need a gear check E-Peen ego rub mechanic in the game, we need something that encourages players to do things that they don't normally take part in, and make it fun, like PVP. Duels are bland, pointless, and further alienate the player base from PVPers by misrepresenting who PVPers are. And it's great that ESO doesn't have it.
There a PLENTY of 'logical' reasons for a duel arena, which have been thoroughly stated throughout this thread.
Some of the more obverse reasons include: Battling friends/Guild mates and Optimizing your build for pvp's.
Plus the fact people generally get over the zerg fest that is Cyrodiil and simply want some controlled 1v1 where you can properly pit yourself against your opponent, in a fair fight, without interruptions and gankers, for a true test of skill. Converse to the current 'numbers game' where everyone runs in a herd and spams the same spell.
It doesn't have to be an arena. Any manifestation of a controlled 1v1 area would be loved and appreciated by a LARGE portion of the players.
P.S I found your reasoning regarding 'Arena's preventing the 'evolution' of games' laughable.
Oh trust me, I find this carebear notion that duels or arena combat is in anyway related to PVP a joke. You almost made me spill my beer once or twice. But I managed to save it, whereas a duelist would've choked. But I think you sorely misunderstood the comment, and I can't be bothered explaining it.
I'm still waiting for good reasoning as to how duels can prepare you for PVP though, I haven't heard anyone address that, other than it helps them "min max". If you were half decent you wouldn't need duels for that. How to fight against a certain class. Oh I dunno, there's four whole classes in ESO. If you need time to write an elaborate guide, you aren't going to be winning many 1vs1's anyways.
1vs1 in a controlled environment is not a fair fight, it's a gear/template check, and takes away too many key elements from PVP to be valid. If I can kill you and your friend because I'm better at PVP, I don't think it rightly matters who can win out of the two of you in a duel.
There's plenty of ways to get small scale PVP in Cyrodiil. Nobody ever accused the zerg of requiring any skill. I think you're confusing PVP with "objectives". Again, there's plenty of funny to go around.
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭Oh trust me, I find this carebear notion that duels or arena combat is in anyway related to PVP a joke. You almost made me spill my beer once or twice. But I managed to save it, whereas a duelist would've choked. But I think you sorely misunderstood the comment, and I can't be bothered explaining it.
I'm still waiting for good reasoning as to how duels can prepare you for PVP though, I haven't heard anyone address that, other than it helps them "min max". If you were half decent you wouldn't need duels for that. How to fight against a certain class. Oh I dunno, there's four whole classes in ESO. If you need time to write an elaborate guide, you aren't going to be winning many 1vs1's anyways.
1vs1 in a controlled environment is not a fair fight, it's a gear/template check, and takes away too many key elements from PVP to be valid. If I can kill you and your friend because I'm better at PVP, I don't think it rightly matters who can win out of the two of you in a duel.
There's plenty of ways to get small scale PVP in Cyrodiil. Nobody ever accused the zerg of requiring any skill. I think you're confusing PVP with "objectives". Again, there's plenty of funny to go around.
The pomposity is great in this one0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Oh trust me, I find this carebear notion that duels or arena combat is in anyway related to PVP a joke. You almost made me spill my beer once or twice. But I managed to save it, whereas a duelist would've choked. But I think you sorely misunderstood the comment, and I can't be bothered explaining it.
I'm still waiting for good reasoning as to how duels can prepare you for PVP though, I haven't heard anyone address that, other than it helps them "min max". If you were half decent you wouldn't need duels for that. How to fight against a certain class. Oh I dunno, there's four whole classes in ESO. If you need time to write an elaborate guide, you aren't going to be winning many 1vs1's anyways.
1vs1 in a controlled environment is not a fair fight, it's a gear/template check, and takes away too many key elements from PVP to be valid. If I can kill you and your friend because I'm better at PVP, I don't think it rightly matters who can win out of the two of you in a duel.
There's plenty of ways to get small scale PVP in Cyrodiil. Nobody ever accused the zerg of requiring any skill. I think you're confusing PVP with "objectives". Again, there's plenty of funny to go around.
The pomposity is great in this one
Nah, I just know what I'm talkin about mate. I've played games like DF and AoC on the full PVP server, even in noob areas it was FFA.
You would be uninstalling those right quick, no doubt.
Anyone who puts up duels so much just has no credibility when talking about PVP, they're not even related topics.
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Where does this rubbish that people use dueling as a way to spam people come from?
I've played MMO's for years and not once have I felt irritated with someone 'spamming' duels.
Saying duels don't help in PVP is like saying that practicing a musical instrument doesn't help you perform songs. It IS a dumb thing to say.
But here is the biggest reason why I want duels, to test skills I wouldn't automatically choose. For example, while in Beta I played a DK, but I never used Burning Talons. Had I been able to duel and test these skills I would have probably used it. Turns out that at the time it was the most op skill in the game.
Since launch I have been playing mainly a NightBlade, here are some skills I have never used - Blur, Haste, Path of Darkness, Aspect of Terror, Summon Shade, Agony, Drain Power and that's just my class skills, don't even get me started on weapons etc..
Now, I agree that People dueling can take away other players enjoyment, which is why I also think there should be a clearly defined dueling area (at least one per map).
I also agree that it could be used as a tool to spam people (Even though I have not seen this), which is why I would suggest that unless you are in a designated area then you can't even invite people to duel, and of course there should be functions to opt out.
The argument that adding duels to ESO would make it like all the other mmo's just does not fly. All mmo's have walking, and trees, shall we remove them?
I think the music industry these days is pretty generic and boring and the industry could really do with something new, that does not mean I want them to remove melodic tones to do so.
Dueling is such a basic function that so many people enjoy, there is no argument against it that makes any sense or a solution can't easily be found.2 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭Dude duels are coming with the justice system. Please everyone just stop with the duel yes no threads0 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭I'm still waiting for good reasoning as to how duels can prepare you for PVP though, I haven't heard anyone address that, other than it helps them "min max". If you were half decent you wouldn't need duels for that. How to fight against a certain class. Oh I dunno, there's four whole classes in ESO. If you need time to write an elaborate guide, you aren't going to be winning many 1vs1's anyways.
OK, if it really needs to be spelt out to you.
1) It allows you to test skills against other skills and how they react. For a really simple and basic example: Burning talons, is annoying you in PVP. So you find your DK friend and ask him to keep casting it on you while you test different skill and see how they react.
2) You can test skills that you have not yet tried and would be uncomfortable to place on your skill bar in PVP.
3) It allows you to see how players use there skills in a controlled situation.
Lets not forget that some people just find dueling FUN!1 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »Where does this rubbish that people use dueling as a way to spam people come from?
In every MMO that has come out in the last 10 years, that apparently you havent played.
Far too hard to take your post seriously when you start it off with such an obvious oversight of any underleveled players run of the mill trip to the bank vault in any of mentioned MMO's.
Pretty infantile argument all around. Removing the trees? Serious?
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭
The pomposity is great in this one
Nah, I just know what I'm talkin about mate. I've played games like DF and AoC on the full PVP server, even in noob areas it was FFA.
You would be uninstalling those right quick, no doubt.
Anyone who puts up duels so much just has no credibility when talking about PVP, they're not even related topics.
[/quote]Tannakaobi wrote: »I'm still waiting for good reasoning as to how duels can prepare you for PVP though, I haven't heard anyone address that, other than it helps them "min max". If you were half decent you wouldn't need duels for that. How to fight against a certain class. Oh I dunno, there's four whole classes in ESO. If you need time to write an elaborate guide, you aren't going to be winning many 1vs1's anyways.
OK, if it really needs to be spelt out to you.
1) It allows you to test skills against other skills and how they react. For a really simple and basic example: Burning talons, is annoying you in PVP. So you find your DK friend and ask him to keep casting it on you while you test different skill and see how they react.
2) You can test skills that you have not yet tried and would be uncomfortable to place on your skill bar in PVP.
3) It allows you to see how players use there skills in a controlled situation.
Lets not forget that some people just find dueling FUN!
wasting your time mate. He has himself as the Mr Miyagi of the gaming world. Don't burst his bubbleEdited by Hilgara on July 15, 2014 12:28PM0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »I'm still waiting for good reasoning as to how duels can prepare you for PVP though, I haven't heard anyone address that, other than it helps them "min max". If you were half decent you wouldn't need duels for that. How to fight against a certain class. Oh I dunno, there's four whole classes in ESO. If you need time to write an elaborate guide, you aren't going to be winning many 1vs1's anyways.
OK, if it really needs to be spelt out to you.
No it Doesn't, I'm not the type of nub that it took weeks/months to figure out you have to dodge roll out of talons. The first time I noticed stun break wouldn't work on it was sufficient.
You're getting duels, what are you whinging about?
It doesn't change the fact that you're 100% wrong on all of your assessments, and you're using poor logic and really nothing you say has anything to do with my posts. But, you're getting duels! Which will be used for nothing but spam at the bank vault to sub 20 PVE players anyways.
Congratulations.
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »Where does this rubbish that people use dueling as a way to spam people come from?
In every MMO that has come out in the last 10 years, that apparently you havent played.
Far too hard to take your post seriously when you start it off with such an obvious oversight of any underleveled players run of the mill trip to the bank vault in any of mentioned MMO's.
Pretty infantile argument all around. Removing the trees? Serious?
Examples?
like I said, It isn't something I have 'seen' first hand, if you read my whole post I mentioned how I could see how it 'could be', I also offered a very simple solution.
'Infantile argument all around. Removing the trees?'
Aye, it was intended to be so, just like the arguments against duels!0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭
The pomposity is great in this one
Nah, I just know what I'm talkin about mate. I've played games like DF and AoC on the full PVP server, even in noob areas it was FFA.
You would be uninstalling those right quick, no doubt.
Anyone who puts up duels so much just has no credibility when talking about PVP, they're not even related topics.Tannakaobi wrote: »I'm still waiting for good reasoning as to how duels can prepare you for PVP though, I haven't heard anyone address that, other than it helps them "min max". If you were half decent you wouldn't need duels for that. How to fight against a certain class. Oh I dunno, there's four whole classes in ESO. If you need time to write an elaborate guide, you aren't going to be winning many 1vs1's anyways.
OK, if it really needs to be spelt out to you.
1) It allows you to test skills against other skills and how they react. For a really simple and basic example: Burning talons, is annoying you in PVP. So you find your DK friend and ask him to keep casting it on you while you test different skill and see how they react.
2) You can test skills that you have not yet tried and would be uncomfortable to place on your skill bar in PVP.
3) It allows you to see how players use there skills in a controlled situation.
Lets not forget that some people just find dueling FUN!
wasting your time mate. He has himself as the Mr Miyagi of the gaming world. Don't burst his bubble [/quote]
That's Mister Mr Miyagi to you son.
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✭✭✭✭✭Now it has to be said that I absolutely don't care whether or not duals are coming. Won't affect me in the slightest.
What I do question though is when a game pops up that's different from the norm, why do people put so much effort into making it just like every other game on the market, and move on, doing exactly the same thing over and over again until all the games are the same.
An example is people saying this needs duals. This needs Chat Bubbles. This needs an Auction House etcetera.
Familiarity does breed contempt, after all.Sweetrolls for all!
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!1 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭So go on, enlighten me. What mmo's can people spam you with dueling next to the bank vault?
Wow? nope. Rift? Nope. LOTR? Nope. SWG? I don't know, but everyone goes on about how good it was.0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Where does this rubbish that people use dueling as a way to spam people come from?
In every MMO that has come out in the last 10 years, that apparently you havent played.
Far too hard to take your post seriously when you start it off with such an obvious oversight of any underleveled players run of the mill trip to the bank vault in any of mentioned MMO's.
Pretty infantile argument all around. Removing the trees? Serious?
Examples?
like I said, It isn't something I have 'seen' first hand, if you read my whole post I mentioned how I could see how it 'could be', I also offered a very simple solution.
'Infantile argument all around. Removing the trees?'
Aye, it was intended to be so, just like the arguments against duels!
Actually there were some pretty well thought out arguments against it, some for, but mainly against it, on the first few pages. Just because you completely disregard it, doesn't matter.
All it took was you and a few others inexperienced and clueless PVE duel-lite types to start polluting this thread with your complete lack of knowledge for it to completely go downhill. You're just repeating the same very weak arguments of how you personally benefited from duels, when you're simply being told regardless of how you think you've benefited it isn't real PVP, for many many reasons which have already been explained to you, ad nauseam. And on the basis of those arguments you clearly should talk about something you DO know something about, rather than going around grabbing bulls by the horns.
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Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭Now it has to be said that I absolutely don't care whether or not duals are coming. Won't affect me in the slightest.
What I do question though is when a game pops up that's different from the norm, why do people put so much effort into making it just like every other game on the market, and move on, doing exactly the same thing over and over again until all the games are the same.
An example is people saying this needs duals. This needs Chat Bubbles. This needs an Auction House etcetera.
Familiarity does breed contempt, after all.
You bring up a good point. Those are all things I would like the option to do/have but in the end, I'll still be play this game just how it is0 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭
We would never have guessed you were 14. Not with such convincing, reasoned logic. You win the internet.
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Now it has to be said that I absolutely don't care whether or not duals are coming. Won't affect me in the slightest.
What I do question though is when a game pops up that's different from the norm, why do people put so much effort into making it just like every other game on the market, and move on, doing exactly the same thing over and over again until all the games are the same.
An example is people saying this needs duals. This needs Chat Bubbles. This needs an Auction House etcetera.
Familiarity does breed contempt, after all.
It's not cosmetic functions that make a game different or not.
Chat bubbles - RR, Duels - Fun
I agree with you on AH, this game does not need it. I do however think it could use a system that is away from guilds. Only because it really belittles the reason for a guild, which is a place where friends help each other and not profit from each other.
Things that make games stand out and be counted are story, combat, game Mechanics.
ESO does most of these things well, but by missing the basic functions that many people need in order to play the way they want to they lose customers and get many bad reviews.
Chat Bubbles is a good example, it is needed by people that want to Role-play. It's not something I would need, but would it hurt to have the option? Would it bring in more players.0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭
We would never have guessed you were 14. Not with such convincing, reasoned logic. You win the internet.
So you have to resort to being an ageist and using straw man arguments,=.
Clearly I'm winning something, and it's not a duel, perhaps you're just bad.0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »
Uhoh......he said his age is 14 ish.....this wont end well
It never does, not when the carebears get all riled up. It's going to be pack frenzy in here in no time flat.
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Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭
We would never have guessed you were 14. Not with such convincing, reasoned logic. You win the internet.
So you have to resort to being an ageist and using straw man arguments,=.
Clearly I'm winning something, and it's not a duel, perhaps you're just bad.
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Where does this rubbish that people use dueling as a way to spam people come from?
In every MMO that has come out in the last 10 years, that apparently you havent played.
Far too hard to take your post seriously when you start it off with such an obvious oversight of any underleveled players run of the mill trip to the bank vault in any of mentioned MMO's.
Pretty infantile argument all around. Removing the trees? Serious?
Examples?
like I said, It isn't something I have 'seen' first hand, if you read my whole post I mentioned how I could see how it 'could be', I also offered a very simple solution.
'Infantile argument all around. Removing the trees?'
Aye, it was intended to be so, just like the arguments against duels!
Actually there were some pretty well thought out arguments against it, some for, but mainly against it, on the first few pages. Just because you completely disregard it, doesn't matter.
All it took was you and a few others inexperienced and clueless PVE duel-lite types to start polluting this thread with your complete lack of knowledge for it to completely go downhill. You're just repeating the same very weak arguments of how you personally benefited from duels, when you're simply being told regardless of how you think you've benefited it isn't real PVP, for many many reasons which have already been explained to you, ad nauseam. And on the basis of those arguments you clearly should talk about something you DO know something about, rather than going around grabbing bulls by the horns.
Again you 'need' to resort to personal insults as a way make yourself feel better.
There were no good arguments against dueling, just the same old two arguments, which is that it can be used for spamming, the easy solution has been pointed out so many times.
And then the better use of developers time, which anyone could say about anything and just comes down to selfishness.0 -
JaJaLuka✭✭✭✭Just so people know, I agree that there should be duelling, though perhaps with some limitations on how and when for two reasons. First to stop people from annoying others who don't want to duel, and second to stop Cyrodiil form dying, though perhaps just with a few less campaigns that can be achieved. But if you're looking to duel in game now at the moment there are several guilds that run it cross-alliance where they meet up with several people from different alliances in a private area and 1v1. League of Legends and The Duelling Ring are the two I know the name of off the top of my head. There are others though, or you can just run around with an alt challenging in zone... which is annoying to everyone really, but until zenimax resolves how the system will or may work that's how it happens.Krojick, DC Sorc PC NA
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