Are we on a sinking ship?
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Malpherian wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-H6ljISiIw
Looks pretty awesome to me. Also doesn't look like something a dieing MMO would invest in.
Alright, I take back what I said, that video actually makes the dyes look decent, seems like its 3-4 layers in that one (Instead of the 1-2 in the clown images), Awesome. Much better quality.
Zenni should have just gone with this Video int he road ahead post rather then those *** screen shots.
I have to agree with you on that one. Those screenshots made me think oh crap the wowstar pony came to Tamriel and puked on everything. But really it looks pretty in depth and got some decent colors going on. I don't think it's going to turn out as cartoony as I thought it might. Plus like it said new Craglorn weapons and armors. Pause it at 1:33 and tell me your not excited.
I am hoping the craglorn armor is actually the fixed Daedric set.... But I probably shouldn't hold my breath.
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭I love some of the upcoming features, and have nothing but high hopes for the state of ESO in the future. ZoS is continually fixing problems while also adding more features/content. That is not what you'd expect from a company who thinks it's game is sinking.
I appreciate the optimism and have been in the same frame of mind since launch. It is just my opinion that this game is turning away from what TES is all about.
Indeed and we all have opinions, sometimes mine are polar oposites to others and sometimes I agree with the masses. On this issue I'm using a little bit of my own opinion and mixing it with some common sense. If you were ZoS, a company that has a bottom line, would you spend time and money to develop new content/features for a game that you saw as going down? Sure there's negativity on forums, but ZoS sees a whole different side of the game, it's cash flow. Regardless of what people "think" here on the forums, there must obviously be enough of a positive cash flow for ZoS to keep throwing money at ESO.
Well it depends, big brother Bethesda might be threatening ZOS to fire them all unless they do it, despite the decrease in subs.
Remember TES is Beths Baby, I seriously think Beth would bankrupt themselves before letting the TES franchise crash and Burn.
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ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »I love some of the upcoming features, and have nothing but high hopes for the state of ESO in the future. ZoS is continually fixing problems while also adding more features/content. That is not what you'd expect from a company who thinks it's game is sinking.
I appreciate the optimism and have been in the same frame of mind since launch. It is just my opinion that this game is turning away from what TES is all about.
Indeed and we all have opinions, sometimes mine are polar oposites to others and sometimes I agree with the masses. On this issue I'm using a little bit of my own opinion and mixing it with some common sense. If you were ZoS, a company that has a bottom line, would you spend time and money to develop new content/features for a game that you saw as going down? Sure there's negativity on forums, but ZoS sees a whole different side of the game, it's cash flow. Regardless of what people "think" here on the forums, there must obviously be enough of a positive cash flow for ZoS to keep throwing money at ESO.
Well it depends, big brother Bethesda might be threatening ZOS to fire them all unless they do it, despite the decrease in subs.
Remember TES is Beths Baby, I seriously think Beth would bankrupt themselves before letting the TES franchise crash and Burn.
So many things wrong with what you just said. Bethesda does not have a choice. That being said Zenimax studios would be the one to pull the plug or not. If Zenimax Studios deems it a failure they would be the ones to decide Zenimax Online Studios fate. The most Bethesda can do is give them some suggestion.1 -
rbenkepub19_ESO✭✭✭Go away. I am SO tired of this kind of thread. Is there any actual point to them?11
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Lodestar✭✭✭✭@Pmarsico9 Content is great and the upcoming features look fantastic, in theory but with every patch comes new and bigger issues. It just feels all wrong now. Maybe the haters are right. I don't know. /discouraged.
Feeling like a soldier who has seen too many battles eh? I can relate.1 -
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✭rbenkepub19_ESO wrote: »Go away. I am SO tired of this kind of thread. Is there any actual point to them?
Because your post was so much more constructive, right?☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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Flynch✭✭✭✭As forum-goers we are privy only to a very small amount of what actually goes on behind the scenes and how others perceive the game.
We're also god damn terrible. We jump down throats, we roar at the skies and we quiver with rage at the mere thought of something different or off-kilter. Inclusive of the game as well as other posters.
Once we realise these truths, we can gain levity and hopefully find some level of reason where we can appreciate that actually, we know god damn nothing.
People on a sinking ship know they are on a sinking ship. We're on a beach right now and we look at ankle-high swells as the ends of the earth.
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Malpherian wrote: »I love some of the upcoming features, and have nothing but high hopes for the state of ESO in the future. ZoS is continually fixing problems while also adding more features/content. That is not what you'd expect from a company who thinks it's game is sinking.
I appreciate the optimism and have been in the same frame of mind since launch. It is just my opinion that this game is turning away from what TES is all about.
Indeed and we all have opinions, sometimes mine are polar oposites to others and sometimes I agree with the masses. On this issue I'm using a little bit of my own opinion and mixing it with some common sense. If you were ZoS, a company that has a bottom line, would you spend time and money to develop new content/features for a game that you saw as going down? Sure there's negativity on forums, but ZoS sees a whole different side of the game, it's cash flow. Regardless of what people "think" here on the forums, there must obviously be enough of a positive cash flow for ZoS to keep throwing money at ESO.
Well it depends, big brother Bethesda might be threatening ZOS to fire them all unless they do it, despite the decrease in subs.
Remember TES is Beths Baby, I seriously think Beth would bankrupt themselves before letting the TES franchise crash and Burn.
So many things wrong with what you just said. Bethesda does not have a choice. That being said Zenimax studios would be the one to pull the plug or not. If Zenimax Studios deems it a failure they would be the ones to decide Zenimax Online Studios fate. The most Bethesda can do is give them some suggestion.
Bethesda Studios owns Zenimax Online (just like they owned Zennimax which was created for Skyrim). Their a subsidiary of Bethesda legally, Although a separate entity created specifically for ESO and most likely Fallout Online as well, Bethesda still maintain ownership and control over them.
So you have it backwards, Zenni can suggest pulling the plug to Bethesda, but Bethesda makes the final call.
Its the same situation with Higby, and Planet side 2, which is Owned by SOE but created by (Can't remember the name of the studio).
It's a pretty common thing these days, Even Blizzard has sub studios working on Titan and other MMO's and stuff. (Like Starcraft and Diablo).
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✭rbenkepub19_ESO wrote: »Go away. I am SO tired of this kind of thread. Is there any actual point to them?
There is a point, but the intent is not good. Conspiracy theories and negative predictions from someone who is ready to quit and wants to drag others with them. Or someone who believes that by causing chaos, they can make changes, when those changes might not be agreed on by the rest of us. Either way, the people who like the game will voice their opinions as well, and thus begins the opinion debates. Could also be considered trolling.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 9, 2014 10:07PM4 -
Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....Edited by Malpherian on July 9, 2014 10:09PM0 -
Selique✭✭✭✭They never said that all the stuff for mod 3 was coming in July. Mod 3 will be out when it is ready
Actually, they did. June Road Ahead
Read first paragraph in longer term updates.
"Update 3 is scheduled to arrive sometime in July"
Just because they scheduled a game update for "Sometime in July" does not mean it is a 100% sure thing. Schedules are made for LOTS of things. Take flights for instance. How many are scheduled, and get delayed? This is the same thing. Perhaps they found something wrong at the last minute that made them have to push it back. Or maybe someone who was working on something got sick and couldn't finish it on time? Things happen.
In the MMO world, just because something or someone says "It's going to be out around such and such date" doesn't mean it always will be.
Personally, I can't complain with the pace this game is updated. So, if its in August, its in August. No big deal.Falls-With-Grace ~ Shadowscale (Argonian Night Blade)
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✭Malpherian wrote: »No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....
Mostly, TES is a sandbox, and ESO is a theme park, but that's OK. The graphics are amazing and the story is full of lore. Gives them enough time to add more sandbox features.6 -
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✭After seeing many negative posts about the upcoming dye and guild store features to be added to the game (all of which I completely agree with), is it time to throw in the towel and admit that this game might not be going in the right direction.
I know that personally I have had such high hopes for the game and its future but after reading yesterdays state of the game I am completely bummed about the upcoming features and direction. Another concern is there was no timeline for anything given and now today a video is released stating that update 3 is scheduled to come out in early August.
I understand timelines change but never lie to your customers. Saying something is coming one month and then wait an entire month to say no, its the next month is deceptive and leads me to think that the company is just trying to staunch the unsub wound.
Forgive my rant. I am just really discouraged by this game and its bleak future.
Well from the previous Road ahead they completely backed away from some key features. side stepped the Armor issue and slid right around the itemsization they had talked about adding to end game VR dungeons with double enchanted gear that is unique and powerful.
Yes its definately f'd im pretty disapointed and have stopped my sub. The game is heading towards the fluff content which is defintely indicating they are backing away form premium. Combine that with sleeping giant taking over a division in ZOs the same guys that helped TOR develop their cash shop and freemium model is very scary.2 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »
Bethesda Studios owns Zenimax Online (just like they owned Zennimax which was created for Skyrim). Their a subsidiary of Bethesda legally, Although a separate entity created specifically for ESO and most likely Fallout Online as well, Bethesda still maintain ownership and control over them.
So you have it backwards, Zenni can suggest pulling the plug to Bethesda, but Bethesda makes the final call.
Its the same situation with Higby, and Planet side 2, which is Owned by SOE but created by (Can't remember the name of the studio).
It's a pretty common thing these days, Even Blizzard has sub studios working on Titan and other MMO's and stuff. (Like Starcraft and Diablo).
Nope. Zenimax Studios owns Bethesda, and Bethesda.. something or other.. it is a publisher not a software developer. and it also owns ZOS.
Since Bethesda and ZOS have certain similarities in MO, as is often the case with sister companies with the same parents, it is usually due to the parents.0 -
ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Malpherian wrote: »I love some of the upcoming features, and have nothing but high hopes for the state of ESO in the future. ZoS is continually fixing problems while also adding more features/content. That is not what you'd expect from a company who thinks it's game is sinking.
I appreciate the optimism and have been in the same frame of mind since launch. It is just my opinion that this game is turning away from what TES is all about.
Indeed and we all have opinions, sometimes mine are polar oposites to others and sometimes I agree with the masses. On this issue I'm using a little bit of my own opinion and mixing it with some common sense. If you were ZoS, a company that has a bottom line, would you spend time and money to develop new content/features for a game that you saw as going down? Sure there's negativity on forums, but ZoS sees a whole different side of the game, it's cash flow. Regardless of what people "think" here on the forums, there must obviously be enough of a positive cash flow for ZoS to keep throwing money at ESO.
Well it depends, big brother Bethesda might be threatening ZOS to fire them all unless they do it, despite the decrease in subs.
Remember TES is Beths Baby, I seriously think Beth would bankrupt themselves before letting the TES franchise crash and Burn.
So many things wrong with what you just said. Bethesda does not have a choice. That being said Zenimax studios would be the one to pull the plug or not. If Zenimax Studios deems it a failure they would be the ones to decide Zenimax Online Studios fate. The most Bethesda can do is give them some suggestion.
Bethesda Studios owns Zenimax Online (just like they owned Zennimax which was created for Skyrim). Their a subsidiary of Bethesda legally, Although a separate entity created specifically for ESO and most likely Fallout Online as well, Bethesda still maintain ownership and control over them.
So you have it backwards, Zenni can suggest pulling the plug to Bethesda, but Bethesda makes the final call.
Its the same situation with Higby, and Planet side 2, which is Owned by SOE but created by (Can't remember the name of the studio).
It's a pretty common thing these days, Even Blizzard has sub studios working on Titan and other MMO's and stuff. (Like Starcraft and Diablo).
No Bethesda does not own Zenimax Online. Zenimax Media is the Parent company. Which owns Bethesda and Created Zenimax Online just for this. So both Zenimax Online and Bethesda Studios answer to Zenimax Media. I should make a flowchart. Bethesda has always developed the Elder Scrolls numbered series and Helped Zenimax Online with things like time and lore but did not have much to do in way of actual gameplay or anything.
Zenimax Media- Parent
Zenimax Online, Bethesda, Arkane, ID, Machine, Tango, BattleCry - Children
http://www.zenimax.com/studios
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Kulthax✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....
Mostly, TES is a sandbox, and ESO is a theme park, but that's OK. The graphics are amazing and the story is full of lore. Gives them enough time to add more sandbox features.
There is nothing sandbox about TESO. Get your head out of your...sand.1 -
Kulthax✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »After seeing many negative posts about the upcoming dye and guild store features to be added to the game (all of which I completely agree with), is it time to throw in the towel and admit that this game might not be going in the right direction.
I know that personally I have had such high hopes for the game and its future but after reading yesterdays state of the game I am completely bummed about the upcoming features and direction. Another concern is there was no timeline for anything given and now today a video is released stating that update 3 is scheduled to come out in early August.
I understand timelines change but never lie to your customers. Saying something is coming one month and then wait an entire month to say no, its the next month is deceptive and leads me to think that the company is just trying to staunch the unsub wound.
Forgive my rant. I am just really discouraged by this game and its bleak future.
Well from the previous Road ahead they completely backed away from some key features. side stepped the Armor issue and slid right around the itemsization they had talked about adding to end game VR dungeons with double enchanted gear that is unique and powerful.
Yes its definately f'd im pretty disapointed and have stopped my sub. The game is heading towards the fluff content which is defintely indicating they are backing away form premium. Combine that with sleeping giant taking over a division in ZOs the same guys that helped TOR develop their cash shop and freemium model is very scary.
Do tell?
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✭✭✭✭✭This update to me looks good.
Not sure that this would signify a sinking ship.
I do feel or think that other topics suggest a short life as of now. But hey, I only play to pass time. Either this or the next console online game.
Looks like ill be playing The Golf Club and Diablo 3 this summer and maybe Destiny.
I really like this game but maybe it was not ready so we are feeling blah.
But then again what online game has launched and been good the first 3 months since 2013?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Kulthax✭✭✭you having fun? yes? then quit complaining
are you not having fun? no? then move on
Shut up. How about that? I can express my concerns. Disagree. Fine but do not tell me what to do.
I mean you come here and *** and moan about things but if someone else does they need to move on? LOL .Edited by Kulthax on July 9, 2014 10:24PM7 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭Things have been said on both sides that I think are not productive (myself included) I think anyone passionate about the side they are will tend to get heated about it and we have seen this on both sides.
So lets start over...
Well that lasted a few hours.you having fun? yes? then quit complaining
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Laura✭✭✭✭✭
✭Things have been said on both sides that I think are not productive (myself included) I think anyone passionate about the side they are will tend to get heated about it and we have seen this on both sides.
So lets start over...
Well that lasted a few hours.you having fun? yes? then quit complaining
are you not having fun? no? then move on
oooh look a quote hero! That wasn't my point and I'm not talking about hardcores vs casuals here am I
(if you are going to pull that ridiculous stunt at least make it on topic)
if he enjoys the game he should enjoy it. I don't think anything else could have been said that hasn't already been said and I meant no offense by it. You guys are mega huffy puffy.
This is sinking ship post number 40029328827. The only thing more redundant that could have been made would be a free to play post.you having fun? yes? then quit complaining
are you not having fun? no? then move on
Shut up. How about that? I can express my concerns. Disagree. Fine but do not tell me what to do.
I mean you come here and *** and moan about things but if someone else does they need to move on? LOL .
Kids on these forums are so easily offended it just blows me away.
This thread has literally been made a hundred times and the same answers are always given. Its pointless. I mean I thought it was the same one that someone made last week.Edited by Laura on July 9, 2014 10:35PM3 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Malpherian wrote: »No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....
Mostly, TES is a sandbox, and ESO is a theme park, but that's OK. The graphics are amazing and the story is full of lore. Gives them enough time to add more sandbox features.
There is nothing sandbox about TESO. Get your head out of your...sand.
That's why I called ESO a theme park.6 -
Kulthax✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....
Mostly, TES is a sandbox, and ESO is a theme park, but that's OK. The graphics are amazing and the story is full of lore. Gives them enough time to add more sandbox features.
There is nothing sandbox about TESO. Get your head out of your...sand.
That's why I called ESO a theme park.
But said they have enough time to add more sandbox features...so yeah. Pull it on out.3 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Malpherian wrote: »No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....
Mostly, TES is a sandbox, and ESO is a theme park, but that's OK. The graphics are amazing and the story is full of lore. Gives them enough time to add more sandbox features.
There is nothing sandbox about TESO. Get your head out of your...sand.
That's why I called ESO a theme park.
But said they have enough time to add more sandbox features...so yeah. Pull it on out.
They should add more sandbox features.1 -
Kulthax✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....
Mostly, TES is a sandbox, and ESO is a theme park, but that's OK. The graphics are amazing and the story is full of lore. Gives them enough time to add more sandbox features.
There is nothing sandbox about TESO. Get your head out of your...sand.
That's why I called ESO a theme park.
But said they have enough time to add more sandbox features...so yeah. Pull it on out.
They should add more sandbox features.
I agree that this should have been a sandbox game like every other TES title but unfortunately it is not. The design does not allow for them to create any sandbox features.0 -
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✭oh it's sinking, just slowly...
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Malpherian wrote: »No I do not think this is a sinking ship.
As an MMO I think this will be very successful given a year or 2. As a TES game ..... Well... that's a horse of a different color. There are too many TES features missing from TESO to make it a real TES experience.... Currently....
Mostly, TES is a sandbox, and ESO is a theme park, but that's OK. The graphics are amazing and the story is full of lore. Gives them enough time to add more sandbox features.
There is nothing sandbox about TESO. Get your head out of your...sand.
That's why I called ESO a theme park.
But said they have enough time to add more sandbox features...so yeah. Pull it on out.
They should add more sandbox features.
I agree that this should have been a sandbox game like every other TES title but unfortunately it is not. The design does not allow for them to create any sandbox features.
They already said they would add houses someday. There are plenty of other things they could add that would make it more like a sandbox such as random quests anywhere and more dungeons to explore. I'm sure there's a very long list of things that could make the entire map more of a sandbox, and the only question is what should they do?
We know they are going to complete Tamriel, that is for sure, but after that, anything is possible. Seems worthy of another thread:
"What features could make ESO more like a sandbox?"Edited by SFBryan18 on July 9, 2014 10:43PM1
