Are we on a sinking ship?

Kulthax

After seeing many negative posts about the upcoming dye and guild store features to be added to the game (all of which I completely agree with), is it time to throw in the towel and admit that this game might not be going in the right direction.

I know that personally I have had such high hopes for the game and its future but after reading yesterdays state of the game I am completely bummed about the upcoming features and direction. Another concern is there was no timeline for anything given and now today a video is released stating that update 3 is scheduled to come out in early August.

I understand timelines change but never lie to your customers. Saying something is coming one month and then wait an entire month to say no, its the next month is deceptive and leads me to think that the company is just trying to staunch the unsub wound.

Forgive my rant. I am just really discouraged by this game and its bleak future.

kieso

From the moment MMO's are born they begin dying. - Meridia

Xsorus

Kulthax wrote: »

After seeing many negative posts about the upcoming dye and guild store features to be added to the game (all of which I completely agree with), is it time to throw in the towel and admit that this game might not be going in the right direction.

I know that personally I have had such high hopes for the game and its future but after reading yesterdays state of the game I am completely bummed about the upcoming features and direction. Another concern is there was no timeline for anything given and now today a video is released stating that update 3 is scheduled to come out in early August.

I understand timelines change but never lie to your customers. Saying something is coming one month and then wait an entire month to say no, its the next month is deceptive and leads me to think that the company is just trying to staunch the unsub wound.

Forgive my rant. I am just really discouraged by this game and its bleak future.

lol, you're worried the game is dying based on a bunch of herp a derps whining about dyes and guildstores?

ers101284b14_ESO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-H6ljISiIw

Looks pretty awesome to me. Also doesn't look like something a dieing MMO would invest in.

Arsenic_Touch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RcVzevWX4U

SFBryan18

Is it common for MMO fans to constantly predict the death of the game they play? Just play the game or go away. Consoles are going to carry this game just like they carried Oblivion and Skyrim.

Kulthax

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-H6ljISiIw

Looks pretty awesome to me. Also doesn't look like something a dieing MMO would invest in.

You are right. It looks great. Smoke and mirrors is how it appears after rereading the state of the game and watching the video.

I have just lost so many guildmates and friends. They keep telling me my eyes will open and of course I tell them to read reddit and more recently here where the posts are really positive or becoming more positive. They laugh at me. I am starting to share their thoughts though. Fluff is fluff.

Pmarsico9

I think it's important to remember that it's still very new. While the Craglorn and VCOH patches were solid chunks of content, they should go into a relatively conservative phase over the next 8 weeks to clean up bugs and insure that something like the past patch never happens again. I am part of a contingent of players that had subbed for 6 months, then found that the VCOH patch had rendered my game unplayable until a hotfix on Tuesday Morning.
Miscues like this will cause subs to hemorrhage. Hell I was asking for at least a game time credit while I waited two weeks for this fix to finally happen.

It's obvious 1.2.3 was still squishy when it was pulled out of the oven. That can't happen again. They should be a bit more conservative. Maybe wait two months, get a big piece of content on the PTS in a month, vette it out for a month, then move forward.

The ES faithful will come scrambling back if they were to, for example, make the Reach playable and fill it with both soloable and group veteran content.

Or, to go even further, start building a foundation for insurgencies by Mehrunes Dagon and Mythic Dawn, and so on............most of the map is still closed according to evidence from previous ES Games.

I wouldn't go all doom and gloom: ESO is already providing more content than what the last two WoW expacs have provided COMBINED.

Madval

The upcoming features and direction are fabulous ! Best game ever made, tks Zenimax !

Kulthax

@Pmarsico9‌ Content is great and the upcoming features look fantastic, in theory but with every patch comes new and bigger issues. It just feels all wrong now. Maybe the haters are right. I don't know. /discouraged.

Relyk04

Personally, I feel the game is on the up and up. It had a rocky beginning which should be expected from the players when it comes to an MMO launch, but I continue to see more overall volume in many of the game's zone. In fact, I'd venture to guess that some are resubbing now that the game is getting some traction, but perhaps that's just my observations.

Rhoric

They never said that all the stuff for mod 3 was coming in July. Mod 3 will be out when it is ready

ers101284b14_ESO

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ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-H6ljISiIw

Looks pretty awesome to me. Also doesn't look like something a dieing MMO would invest in.

You are right. It looks great. Smoke and mirrors is how it appears after rereading the state of the game and watching the video.

I have just lost so many guildmates and friends. They keep telling me my eyes will open and of course I tell them to read reddit and more recently here where the posts are really positive or becoming more positive. They laugh at me. I am starting to share their thoughts though. Fluff is fluff.

It's not Fluff though. It's things people asked for. In Beta people wanted a Dye system, there it is. I saw posts about people complaining they didn't know who was in their guild because no nameplates, now we have tabards to associate with our guild. People asked for meaningful drops like better weapons and gear, we are getting that too, people asked for harder dungeons, also getting that. Sounds like they are listening and adding what they can when they can.

BBSooner

I can't believe people are doomsdaying over a fun costume contest they held with their new dye system. Leave it to general discussion to take a tongue and cheek 'we made the Tamriel avengers!' and turn it in to 'OMG ELDER SCROLLS BLASPHEMY '.

Kulthax

Rhoric wrote: »

They never said that all the stuff for mod 3 was coming in July. Mod 3 will be out when it is ready

Actually, they did. June Road Ahead
Read first paragraph in longer term updates.
"Update 3 is scheduled to arrive sometime in July"

Sharee

Kulthax wrote: »

After seeing many negative posts about the upcoming dye and guild store features to be added to the game (all of which I completely agree with), is it time to throw in the towel and admit that this game might not be going in the right direction.

If by 'going in the right direction' you mean 'everyone agrees with everything and there are no negative posts', then no game has ever gone in the right direction.

Kulthax

BBSooner wrote: »

I can't believe people are doomsdaying over a fun costume contest they held with their new dye system. Leave it to general discussion to take a tongue and cheek 'we made the Tamriel avengers!' and turn it in to 'OMG ELDER SCROLLS BLASPHEMY '.

Well if you have played GW2 and other MMOs then you would understand the frustration from those who see it as breaking immersion. There is a lot of lore and tradition in TES and some of these dyes do not fit that mold. They are not catering to the TES fans but to the random I want to look like a cartoon fan or trying to lure away other players from WS or whatever Korean styled flavor of the moment MMO/game is out there.

Arsenic_Touch

Kulthax wrote: »

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Rhoric wrote: »

They never said that all the stuff for mod 3 was coming in July. Mod 3 will be out when it is ready

Actually, they did. June Road Ahead
Read first paragraph in longer term updates.
"Update 3 is scheduled to arrive sometime in July"

Don't worry, they'll go back and ninja edit it and play it off as it never happened.

DeLindsay

I love some of the upcoming features, and have nothing but high hopes for the state of ESO in the future. ZoS is continually fixing problems while also adding more features/content. That is not what you'd expect from a company who thinks it's game is sinking.

Csub

The first thing that pretty much crosses anyone's mind who enters an online game's, especially an MMO's forum is "is this game a sinking ship already?". At like every MMO. Ever.

Don't expect too much positivity on the forums!

Diaboli

Everyone is so serious. I can't take this seriously. If this game doesn't make it, I'll play something else. That is the best thing about video games, there will always be another.

I have come to the conclusion that I do not like what most other gamers seem to want. I want cool graphics, stories and PVP. Everything else is frosting to me. I got what I came for, so I don't see the point in being grunty.

MasterSpatula

Kulthax wrote: »

Fluff is fluff.

One person's "fluff" is another person's badly-needed content.

Kulthax

DeLindsay wrote: »

I love some of the upcoming features, and have nothing but high hopes for the state of ESO in the future. ZoS is continually fixing problems while also adding more features/content. That is not what you'd expect from a company who thinks it's game is sinking.

I appreciate the optimism and have been in the same frame of mind since launch. It is just my opinion that this game is turning away from what TES is all about.

Malpherian

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-H6ljISiIw

Looks pretty awesome to me. Also doesn't look like something a dieing MMO would invest in.

Alright, I take back what I said, that video actually makes the dyes look decent, seems like its 3-4 layers in that one (Instead of the 1-2 in the clown images), Awesome. Much better quality.

Zenni should have just gone with this Video int he road ahead post rather then those *** screen shots.

Elad13

Yes we are on a sinking ship and those little flesh eating fish(forgot name) are all around us...I'm teleporting to the harborage and telling Cadwell just what I think!!! Now all those skeletons will wash up on the beach and make it a task to collect wood!!!
That's my thoughts on the post....:)

Kulthax

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Kulthax wrote: »

Fluff is fluff.

One person's "fluff" is another person's badly-needed content.

You are correct and really underscore the issue. What we each define as content.

BBSooner

Kulthax wrote: »

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BBSooner wrote: »

I can't believe people are doomsdaying over a fun costume contest they held with their new dye system. Leave it to general discussion to take a tongue and cheek 'we made the Tamriel avengers!' and turn it in to 'OMG ELDER SCROLLS BLASPHEMY '.

Well if you have played GW2 and other MMOs then you would understand the frustration from those who see it as breaking immersion. There is a lot of lore and tradition in TES and some of these dyes do not fit that mold. They are not catering to the TES fans but to the random I want to look like a cartoon fan or trying to lure away other players from WS or whatever Korean styled flavor of the moment MMO/game is out there.

As a TES fan I appreciate the diversity they are going to allow me with armor customization. Having 20+ shades of every color available is going to be nice, and moving away from the pink my orsimer is currently wearing/neon green my imperial wears is going to be great. If running in to a few snowflakes wanting attention is the price of that, So be it.

ers101284b14_ESO

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ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-H6ljISiIw

Looks pretty awesome to me. Also doesn't look like something a dieing MMO would invest in.

Alright, I take back what I said, that video actually makes the dyes look decent, seems like its 3-4 layers in that one (Instead of the 1-2 in the clown images), Awesome. Much better quality.

Zenni should have just gone with this Video int he road ahead post rather then those *** screen shots.

I have to agree with you on that one. Those screenshots made me think oh crap the wowstar pony came to Tamriel and puked on everything. But really it looks pretty in depth and got some decent colors going on. I don't think it's going to turn out as cartoony as I thought it might. Plus like it said new Craglorn weapons and armors. Pause it at 1:33 and tell me your not excited.

DeLindsay

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DeLindsay wrote: »

I love some of the upcoming features, and have nothing but high hopes for the state of ESO in the future. ZoS is continually fixing problems while also adding more features/content. That is not what you'd expect from a company who thinks it's game is sinking.

I appreciate the optimism and have been in the same frame of mind since launch. It is just my opinion that this game is turning away from what TES is all about.

Indeed and we all have opinions, sometimes mine are polar oposites to others and sometimes I agree with the masses. On this issue I'm using a little bit of my own opinion and mixing it with some common sense. If you were ZoS, a company that has a bottom line, would you spend time and money to develop new content/features for a game that you saw as going down? Sure there's negativity on forums, but ZoS sees a whole different side of the game, it's cash flow. Regardless of what people "think" here on the forums, there must obviously be enough of a positive cash flow for ZoS to keep throwing money at ESO.

ebondeath

Throw in the towel? Hardly. And what exactly is "the right direction?" Very little about this game feels off to me (I have my own nitpicks, but nothing to play Chicken Little over). According to every game forum ever, every game is dying a grisly death at the hands of another mmo, which according to its own forums is being cannibalized by another "dying" mmo.

Also there aren't nearly enough Michael Bay explosions for this to be a sinking ship.

theyancey

Sinking ship? LOL, this game has gotten consistently better week after week. The road ahead looks ambitious and I intend to resub for another 6 months in November.