Are we on a sinking ship?
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IceDread✭✭✭This game has still a lot of potential, but the end game pvp is boring. Too much siegeing / running, riding / zerging / and a lot of waiting - going on and too little fun pvp.
The magica / stamina system is totally screwd. Class based skills are based on magica but some are even more screwd, need stamina based crit on some class abilities that costs magica. With the soft caps and the armor system as it is and the magica / stamina system, if you want to be competetive with the best you must use light armor + restro / destro staff.
Sure other builds are viable for pve, or possibly throwing in the charge from sword / shield, but otherwise this game is a close thing to a one trick pony, very simple and streamlined to work well for light armor + staff.
The guy designing this must have been drunk...
It also seems like a lot of people are moving away from the game, but I still have hope.2 -
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i dont think they are, they might be and they said they were a while back, and here and there but they said it would be the 4th patch.
Isn't this what they are working on?
they just announced the 3rd patch will be for early august. so i can only guess were looking at maybe early or kinda middle fall for the db and tg?
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✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »if eso was so great these forums would not have people posting, because we would all be so enveloped in eso we would be hard to find.
which, for me, thats what it was like when i was playing morrowind. you could not find me away from morrowind and could not pull me away from it!
you add in dark brotherhood, increase the damage output and survivability of us dagger duel wield blade users, and add in the thieves guild along with the prison system and you will not see me on the forums
"Great" is relative to the person playing. Also, ALL MMO forums are filled with gloom & doom threads, everything from disgruntled players to nitpicking to genuine complaints for software bugs. Even if the game was amazing to all players there would still be folks on the forums, if for nothing else to ask other players what's the best build for DPS/Healing/Tanking, how to find certain easter eggs, where is the best place to grind rep/xp/gear/etc. And lets face it, nobody can please everybody, ZoS is always going to *** some group off based on their specific desired play style no matter what they do.2 -
Akiainavas✭✭✭Oh god, not another "is this game dying" thread ? Why do people constantly feel the need to spread the "we're doomed!" word...
This game has its problems, like all games. And just because a bunch of elitists and PvP nerds are not happy, doesn't mean the game is dying...
It's doing better and better actually, with every patch.6 -
Prospero_ESO✭✭✭✭I don´t believe that the sip is sinking but the ship lost passengers for sure. I would not be surprised if we will see further layoffs in the near future. But i don t know if such an abstract term is telling anything.
What it is all about is whether you have fun playing the game or not. If not, then stop it. I unsubbed because of the fps desaster zenimax caused after the last big patch, now that it is "fixed" in a way that pvp is playable i resubbed. Imo more people should do it that way.
Zenimax don´t give a flying *** about what you write here. I have really never seen a company which refuses mandatory communication with their community like they do. Not the usual "...soon..", "...we understand your frustration...." bla bla but real information why things are as they are now, when things are fixed etc. Their information policy is horrible and they give the impression that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.
The only way in ESO as a player to make your voice heard is the unsub button. The only thing that hurts them is money and as somebody already said here, if money is involved then suits will get involved and maybe that is the neccessary motivation for the dev team.Edited by Prospero_ESO on July 10, 2014 7:53AM2 -
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"Great" is relative to the person playing. Also, ALL MMO forums are filled with gloom & doom threads, everything from disgruntled players to nitpicking to genuine complaints for software bugs. Even if the game was amazing to all players there would still be folks on the forums, if for nothing else to ask other players what's the best build for DPS/Healing/Tanking, how to find certain easter eggs, where is the best place to grind rep/xp/gear/etc. And lets face it, nobody can please everybody, ZoS is always going to *** some group off based on their specific desired play style no matter what they do.
this is very true, very true.
however, way i see it their trying to please both mmo lovers and the elderscrolls lovers, you cant have both. thats like having 2 wive's and trying please them both. it's gona end up in a bad way eventually and probably loose both of them if you dont be carefull and think think think for sure what u doing and pay serious attention to every move and word u make. lol
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DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭I actually see the game increasing considerably when it launches for consoles. Not because "oh hey now we have a bigger market" but more like I see many of the console users playing ESO just like they did TES games in the past, which is sorry to say for traditional MMO fans, a more solo oriented game. Who knows though, only time will tell and as I see it ESO is improving all the time. Yes it's slower than many would like, but it certainly IS improving and they're coming out with some pretty cool features.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I actually see the game increasing considerably when it launches for consoles. Not because "oh hey now we have a bigger market" but more like I see many of the console users playing ESO just like they did TES games in the past, which is sorry to say for traditional MMO fans, a more solo oriented game. Who knows though, only time will tell and as I see it ESO is improving all the time. Yes it's slower than many would like, but it certainly IS improving and they're coming out with some pretty cool features.
that would be like throwing in a 3rd wife. some where along the line some group is gona have had enough and be done with eso unless eso can manage to some how do a prety darn good juggling act between the 3 of us mmo lovers console lovers and PC sp es lovers. not an easy task i can asure you. and from what ive seen so far they have done a fair job and survived but, boy i bet there are some serious times ahead. lol
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Is it common for MMO fans to constantly predict the death of the game they play? Just play the game or go away. Consoles are going to carry this game just like they carried Oblivion and Skyrim.
I've been saying this from the start, PC users seriously underestimate consoles and the TES community within them. This is why they put back consoles for so long. They will make all there mistakes on PC/Mac and then a smooth launch on consoles will insure ESO is the mmo to play.
OP, Be quiet! As far as I'm concerned, finally an update I'm interested in. I'll be able to don my pink suit in Cyrodiil and you will know that you have been put down by.... Rod Hull!2 -
Dayel✭✭✭If a Night Blade in Flaming Chartreuse is going to break your immersion I think you were already on dry land. As I have said before, there is no such thing as actual immersion until we have functional in world toilets, unless that is you are wearing a space suit.1 -
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✭If a Night Blade in Flaming Chartreuse is going to break your immersion I think you were already on dry land. As I have said before, there is no such thing as actual immersion until we have functional in world toilets, unless that is you are wearing a space suit.
Wrong thread? Or what are the words coming out of your mouth? Or W-T-F Mate?0 -
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Wrong thread? Or what are the words coming out of your mouth? Or W-T-F Mate?Well if you have played GW2 and other MMOs then you would understand the frustration from those who see it as breaking immersion. There is a lot of lore and tradition in TES and some of these dyes do not fit that mold. They are not catering to the TES fans but to the random I want to look like a cartoon fan or trying to lure away other players from WS or whatever Korean styled flavor of the moment MMO/game is out there.
This the "F" Sweetheart!
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Kayira✭✭✭✭In order to not break immersion with the dying system they should only allow colours that look like elder scrolls. So keep the pink and bright colours out and everyone will be happy.
I am happy to get dyes and guild stuff. Love the new store system and looking forward to the new armors. They just have to be careful to add the armors so players can farm them for a long time or the end game players will get bored because of lack of content. But overall I think the game is going into the right direction!2 -
Ethona✭✭✭I'm a MMORPG player, and I'm a Elder Scrolls Fan, and I continue to enjoy what this game has to offer. Even my friend, who refused to buy the game till 2 days ago, has enjoyed the game thus far. It would seem that most folks on these forums are driven by their feelings more so than facts. In such line of reasoning, one is more susceptible to self-deception; in other words, you have caused yourself to hate something that normally you wouldn't have hated.
I think most people would agree, that players should express their likes and dislikes. However, when you make wild, and unreasonable statements, you cause far more harm to the game than good. People will take notice, and in their emotions they will reason, and chances are, that such reasons will cause more deception and hate. In time, people that are empowered by other players unreasonable hate will all leave the game. This could artificially kill off a decent game.1 -
After seeing many negative posts about the upcoming dye and guild store features to be added to the game (all of which I completely agree with), is it time to throw in the towel and admit that this game might not be going in the right direction.
I know that personally I have had such high hopes for the game and its future but after reading yesterdays state of the game I am completely bummed about the upcoming features and direction. Another concern is there was no timeline for anything given and now today a video is released stating that update 3 is scheduled to come out in early August.
I understand timelines change but never lie to your customers. Saying something is coming one month and then wait an entire month to say no, its the next month is deceptive and leads me to think that the company is just trying to staunch the unsub wound.
Forgive my rant. I am just really discouraged by this game and its bleak future.
Why not make a poll? They seemed to be very popular, at least way back...
Sigh, well, I went on and answered this topic anyway even though I don't see any point for these "Are we doomed?" ones.
My answer is No.
PS. Back to the game.
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This game is never going to be huge, it will just fade away into another niche game that manages to tick along, then quite possibly go F2P. The die hard TES fans will keep it going....and the console launch will probably give a momentary injection of cash. A sinking ship, no, more like a little row boat, with dreams of being a ship.
It is a shame, but the shockingly bad launch, with all the phasing bugs, server problems, quest bugs, and a poorly designed endgame really signed this games fate.
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Brettoel✭✭✭sinking ship? no way, you guys are lucky you can play , i have been stuck with barely 2kb/s for the past month, (semi vacation) cant wait to get back and play again , so far my only complaint about the game has been the lack of skill slots due to the fact that they had to do it for the consoles , everything else has been amazing, sure bugs here and there , a bot here and there , but nothing about this game feels like a sinking ship, i tend to not trust reviews for games or movies, i played warhammer online till the last day that they shut down the servers on dec 18th 2013, and i intend to play this game to its dying breath.0 -
jayssenrwb17_ESO wrote: »This game is never going to be huge, it will just fade away into another niche game that manages to tick along, then quite possibly go F2P. The die hard TES fans will keep it going....and the console launch will probably give a momentary injection of cash. A sinking ship, no, more like a little row boat, with dreams of being a ship.
It is a shame, but the shockingly bad launch, with all the phasing bugs, server problems, quest bugs, and a poorly designed endgame really signed this games fate.
Oops, back from game for a moment:
I respect your opinion, we all have our own. But there always have been people predicting end of the world and also end of some game, or people who think this and that game goes forward this and that way - like free to play. I don't trust your kind, never did and never will. Then again, those are your opinions above and these are mine here. I see this game getting better and better all the time and seeing that there are many patches already done and more coming (well have to see that of course), the future looks promising. By the way, what is huge in your terms?
Ah launch was not that good, though I didn't have that many problems, but I do understand many had. There were lag issues for some, broken quests for many, etc. Many are fixed already, but this is (how I see it) a work in progress.
From my point of view and what I've heard in game talks, people are getting happier how things are going. If you feel this is a sinking ship, why stay? There are many other games for you to play, no need to stay here anymore, bye. You go, I stay
Cheers...
Edited by madfeldoreb17_ESO on July 10, 2014 10:45AM0 -
madfeldoreb17_ESO wrote: »Oops, back from game for a moment:
I respect your opinion, we all have our own. But there always have been people predicting end of the world and also end of some game, or people who think this and that game goes forward this and that way - like free to play. I don't trust your kind, never did and never will. Then again, those are your opinions above and these are mine here. I see this game getting better and better all the time and seeing that there are many patches already done and more coming (well have to see that of course), the future looks promising. By the way, what is huge in your terms?
Ah launch was not that good, though I didn't have that many problems, but I do understand many had. There were lag issues for some, broken quests for many, etc. Many are fixed already, but this is (how I see it) a work in progress.
From my point of view and what I've heard in game talks, people are getting happier how things are going. If you feel this is a sinking ship, why stay? There are many other games for you to play, no need to stay here anymore, bye. You go, I stay
Cheers...
You have "heard in games talks" that people are getting happier, I cannot claim the same because most of the the people that I had "game talks" with have quit. But nevertheless, I'm glad you are happy - its your kind that will keep this game going
PS - my definition of "huge" in the context of my post is - Not the current population of The Elder Scrolls Online 1 -
My worst fear are those dyes. I want option so I can only see original colors on other players. In case there will be too many power rangers running around...
I want ESO to feel like TES.3 -
jayssenrwb17_ESO wrote: »
You have "heard in games talks" that people are getting happier, I cannot claim the same because most of the the people that I had "game talks" with have quit. But nevertheless, I'm glad you are happy - its your kind that will keep this game going
PS - my definition of "huge" in the context of my post is - Not the current population of The Elder Scrolls Online
I have to say your answer was nice and, well actually a bit of a surprise:) Don't get me wrong, but I was expecting some flame how I am a fanboy and understand nothing about the failure of ESO:)
Yes I guess I'm one of those who keep this game going, but not forced to do that.
About the game talks and what we have heard heh, well, we all have our experiences. In the end it is probably only small group we have talked to, in game, both of us, shrug. I do have seen people not playing in some of the Guilds I was on or with, but now that when I changed memberships, I see a lot of activity. It is, I guess, very difficult to say how many people are playing even if you or me have played in many Guilds.
About the huge thing, yes well difficult also to know how many players are actually, online, or well playing the game. I guess only ESO team knows that..
Thank you for a friendly reply. Good criticism is never bad!
Take care,
Cheers...Edited by madfeldoreb17_ESO on July 10, 2014 12:15PM0 -
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✭For every negative post on these forums, theres a dozen players who NEVER visit the forum in the game playing it.
You can't judge a games success by forum posts. They are always negative.
Good point. Folks who come to forums like these tend to be either those looking for more information, or those looking to share concerns about a given topic.
Few come to sing praises of a particular game, as they're usually spending their time playing it
... except of course for those of us at work, who like to make it look like they're actually working on something. Crotchety Old Man Guild
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✭I feel that the population seems pretty stable here. While a lot have left, and a few are just inactive, waiting for something to lure them back. Most of those who decided they don't like the game have moved on, and what we have left at this point are people who like the game, want it to get better, and are willing to pay for now to see if it will.
I like the game personally, and as long as one ava server is hopping I will likely remain.“Whatever.”
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Mondo✭✭✭✭New features? Not the features that you wanted NOW? THIS GAME IS SOOOOO DOOMED!!!!!!!!! Damn i will only pay 30 more months of this crap!Im not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭jayssenrwb17_ESO wrote: »This game is never going to be huge, it will just fade away into another niche game that manages to tick along, then quite possibly go F2P. The die hard TES fans will keep it going....and the console launch will probably give a momentary injection of cash. A sinking ship, no, more like a little row boat, with dreams of being a ship.
It is a shame, but the shockingly bad launch, with all the phasing bugs, server problems, quest bugs, and a poorly designed endgame really signed this games fate.
Agreed. Games seem able to chug along in unacknowledged maintenance mode for years, especially if an ftp wrapping is applied. I mean - Age of Conan is still ticking along. It even got a little of my money for a couple of weeks.
ESO will do fine - it's just not going to be the big AAA success it had hopes of being.0 -
Hofi814✭✭Is it common for MMO fans to constantly predict the death of the game they play? Just play the game or go away. Consoles are going to carry this game just like they carried Oblivion and Skyrim.
Before I start I want to let you know I agree with you on the stance of "Is it common for MMO fans to constantly predict the death of the game they play? Just play the game or go away."
Do you do drugs, or just say things to make it seem like you do? Consoles are going to carry a MMORPG? Also of all game series to say "Consoles" will carry this game, a TES game of all things. Last I checked any TES title of the many that were published came out for PC first/the same time the console version was published. There will always be people who dislike the game no matter what the Devs do to it. They are free to leave, no one is making them play the game. But then what would they complain about? Not the thousands of man hours into this game they play and "hate". Maybe they will go back to their consoles and leave PC games to the people who truly love games.
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✭Regardless of whether or not the ship is sinking, this is a popular thread criticizing the game, so I'd expect it to start sinking soon.0
