Do you think there should be an AoE cap?

Trenith

No

Adhal wrote: »

CkniSa wrote: »

if u find 100 players stacked together they deserve to be pbaoed down

This. The only problem in this game is the emperors vampire dk/sorc combos. If people are too stupid to go range when they have heavy aoe they deserve to die, we have weapons swap! If I see aoe crazy spam I go to my bow and try to cc and focus healers.

To bad other people aren't like you and I. Instead of poking at the AoE'ers from range and kiting, they all rush the vamp DK/Sorc and wonder why it wont die while devouring bats are swirling around. Well jeez people. I wonder why...

Just stop being bad people.

Fix broken skills before trying to add that myth of a thing called "balance". If "balance" was real, WoW who has been around a hell of a lot longer then you guys would have figured it out by now and wouldn't be nerfing/buffing skills with every patch for the last forever.

jeradlub17_ESO

AOE in general is not a problem in pvp. In fact for heals it needs increased they already have a 6 man cap while noone else does. A video listed on reddit through youtube showed that. The problem is not aoe but two spammable spells..vampire bats and dark talons. Why hurt everyone else because of one classes broken mechanics? Adjust those 2 leave the rest alone in regards to this issue.

moXrox

Yes

Most of those who did vote NO dont really care about AoE caps.

90% of the players here dont even know that we have caps already ingame for most abilities. Or probably a big amount who did vote NO dont even care that we have AoE caps.

A lot of them are probably comming from GW2, a very AoE heavy game. But only a few of them recognize the importance of SIEGE weapons in ESO. In GW2 the siege weapons dont play much of a role, wheras in ESO the Siege weapons DONT HAVE ANY AOE CAP and are important.

What about you think about your no-skill "elite" tactic, using the following combos to mow down other players :

/Talons
/Impulse
/Bat Swarms

The most powerfull skills are the most easy ones to use and this is just wrong.


Here you have the proof, AoE cap before the new announced patch with changes to AoE - nobody of the voter here did care about an AoE cap before. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM


Thank you to cuddler for this video.

thelg

No

This is awesome more people voted in this poll then there are players in Cyrodil in most campaigns

Put this in and they gona need to add a 0 players graphics to half the campaigns

RaZaddha

No

moXrox wrote: »

Most of those who did vote NO dont really care about AoE caps.

90% of the players here dont even know that we have caps already ingame for most abilities. Or probably a big amount who did vote NO dont even care that we have AoE caps.

A lot of them are probably comming from GW2, a very AoE heavy game. But only a few of them recognize the importance of SIEGE weapons in ESO. In GW2 the siege weapons dont play much of a role, wheras in ESO the Siege weapons DONT HAVE ANY AOE CAP and are important.

What about you think about your no-skill "elite" tactic, using the following combos to mow down other players :

/Talons
/Impulse
/Bat Swarms

The most powerfull skills are the most easy ones to use and this is just wrong.


Here you have the proof, AoE cap before the new announced chat - nobody of the voter here did care about an AoE cap before. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM


Thank you to cuddler for this video.

Still doesn't change the fact that now we will have turtling zerg wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o

I think most people didn't knew about the cap, so thats why that we know there is a cap the rage has started. Look at 1:27 at the video, you think its fun to sit on a spot spamming heals and aoe? How do you break such a turtle? With AoE, but since theres a cap, you can only break this turtle with bigger numbers.

moXrox

Yes

RaZaddha wrote: »

moXrox wrote: »

Most of those who did vote NO dont really care about AoE caps.

90% of the players here dont even know that we have caps already ingame for most abilities. Or probably a big amount who did vote NO dont even care that we have AoE caps.

A lot of them are probably comming from GW2, a very AoE heavy game. But only a few of them recognize the importance of SIEGE weapons in ESO. In GW2 the siege weapons dont play much of a role, wheras in ESO the Siege weapons DONT HAVE ANY AOE CAP and are important.

What about you think about your no-skill "elite" tactic, using the following combos to mow down other players :

/Talons
/Impulse
/Bat Swarms

The most powerfull skills are the most easy ones to use and this is just wrong.


Here you have the proof, AoE cap before the new announced chat - nobody of the voter here did care about an AoE cap before. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM


Thank you to cuddler for this video.

Still doesn't change the fact that now we will have turtling zerg wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o

I think most people didn't knew about the cap, so thats why that we know there is a cap the rage has started.

diminishing returns on AoE and you will probably not see such pvp.

Reavan

Yes

Im glad they are doing this.
If aoe was hard to set up id change my opinion but the one button full circle radial aoe is *** in a game where you aim to target people.

I find it stunning that there are so many supporters of such brain dead spam in this thread.
An actual 'battle' even with zerg turtling is 100x better.
Thats coming from,me who only ever solos or small groups.
All of you people just want an easy mode solution.

RaZaddha

No

moXrox wrote: »

RaZaddha wrote: »

moXrox wrote: »

Most of those who did vote NO dont really care about AoE caps.

90% of the players here dont even know that we have caps already ingame for most abilities. Or probably a big amount who did vote NO dont even care that we have AoE caps.

A lot of them are probably comming from GW2, a very AoE heavy game. But only a few of them recognize the importance of SIEGE weapons in ESO. In GW2 the siege weapons dont play much of a role, wheras in ESO the Siege weapons DONT HAVE ANY AOE CAP and are important.

What about you think about your no-skill "elite" tactic, using the following combos to mow down other players :

/Talons
/Impulse
/Bat Swarms

The most powerfull skills are the most easy ones to use and this is just wrong.


Here you have the proof, AoE cap before the new announced chat - nobody of the voter here did care about an AoE cap before. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM


Thank you to cuddler for this video.

Still doesn't change the fact that now we will have turtling zerg wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o

I think most people didn't knew about the cap, so thats why that we know there is a cap the rage has started.

diminishing returns on AoE and you will probably not see such pvp.

Oh? And how about when its a zerg passing on a choke and a smaller force tries to defend? With the cap, it doesn't matter, the zerg will push through and smash the smaller force, diminishing returns wont solve the problem of smaller groups vs bigger groups. Unless people die faster to aoe when they are clumped up rather than when they are scattered you will have zerg turtles everywhere.

Varivox9

No

Mykah wrote: »

Heres an idea, for every No Vote thats threatening to unsub or claiming this will "ruin pvp" between teary eyes, please also share your main's class and what build youre currently using in pvp.

Yes Vote. Nightblade 2h/1hs Heavy Armor DC

No vote, Sorc 2h, high single target damage focus

RaZaddha

No

Reavan wrote: »

Im glad they are doing this.
If aoe was hard to set up id change my opinion but the one button full circle radial aoe is *** in a game where you aim to target people.

I find it stunning that there are so many supporters of such brain dead spam in this thread.
An actual 'battle' even with zerg turtling is 100x better.
Thats coming from,me who only ever solos or small groups.
All of you people just want an easy mode solution.

You do realize that with the AoE cap the meta will be zerg turtle ball spamming AoE damage and Heals? Like on the video a few posts behind you?

Varivox9

No

Mykah wrote: »

Pryda wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1

Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.

Heres another one of your videos. Watch them both then tell me honestly which one looks more balanced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtN-rB0OQVU

(Thanks for making the reality clear for everyone, it perfectly illustrates how an AE cap creates balance)

That second video just shows off a specific skill being abused. THAT ONE SKILL is unbalanced. I'd love to see a sorc go into that zerg and spam lightning flood and get that result...

moXrox

Yes

RaZaddha wrote: »

Reavan wrote: »

Im glad they are doing this.
If aoe was hard to set up id change my opinion but the one button full circle radial aoe is *** in a game where you aim to target people.

I find it stunning that there are so many supporters of such brain dead spam in this thread.
An actual 'battle' even with zerg turtling is 100x better.
Thats coming from,me who only ever solos or small groups.
All of you people just want an easy mode solution.

You do realize that with the AoE cap the meta will be zerg turtle ball spamming AoE damage and Heals? Like on the video a few posts behind you?

The AoE cap exists already.

Use the addon called AoE capp results (? dont know exactly the name) and test it.


The problem with AoE in ESO: There are no hard interrupts.

Varivox9

No

Aside from the vamp ulti, I think AoE is UP if anything. You want to know how UP it is? If you don't stand in lava....it doesn't hurt you! It'll do 0 damage! PBAoE is useless if you have a bit of CC and range!

I want them to nerf PvE boss AoE's too, I don't think it's fair that a boss's AoE can hit everyone in my party while we stand in the fire like an idiot....F*** it, remove all AoE.

RaZaddha

No

moXrox wrote: »

RaZaddha wrote: »

Reavan wrote: »

Im glad they are doing this.
If aoe was hard to set up id change my opinion but the one button full circle radial aoe is *** in a game where you aim to target people.

I find it stunning that there are so many supporters of such brain dead spam in this thread.
An actual 'battle' even with zerg turtling is 100x better.
Thats coming from,me who only ever solos or small groups.
All of you people just want an easy mode solution.

You do realize that with the AoE cap the meta will be zerg turtle ball spamming AoE damage and Heals? Like on the video a few posts behind you?

The AoE cap exists already.

Use the addon called AoE capp results (? dont know exactly the name) and test it.


The problem with AoE in ESO: There are no hard interrupts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o

This is from LIVE, not PTS. We know, theres caps on LIVE, and the turtling is starting.

moXrox

Yes

The irony is that the game wont change much with the announced cap changes and will stay like it is since people thought there is no AoE cap.

But there is AoE cap since release already. The poll here did start because people are afraid that a cap would lead too more zerging.

Isnt it funny that people are playing all the time with an AoE cap but dont recongize it ?

chaseatcheson4rwb17_ESO

No

There are some groups of mobs that have greater than 6 npcs, like in public dungeons.

Stricken9521

No

The only thing there should be a cap on is how much ultimate is generated through AoE abilities. It would be fine if they added a target cap in PvE only to prevent all mobs to be gathered and AoE'd down, but leave it out for PvP.

Altros

No

Reavan wrote: »

Im glad they are doing this.
If aoe was hard to set up id change my opinion but the one button full circle radial aoe is *** in a game where you aim to target people.

I find it stunning that there are so many supporters of such brain dead spam in this thread.
An actual 'battle' even with zerg turtling is 100x better.
Thats coming from,me who only ever solos or small groups.
All of you people just want an easy mode solution.

By that same logic, it would be at least 1000x better if the broken skills got balanced instead of nerfing all AoEs to to fix a couple broken ones so that zerg turtling doesn't occur. We're not saying "don't nerf AoEs *whine whine whine cry*." We're saying "don't add AoE hit caps as they will lead to zerg turtling, fix the couple broken skills instead." Why should we settle for something that is only 100x better when there is something 1000x better and we're shelling out 15 dollars a month?

xentek_ESO

No

THIS is the kind of crap you guys are wasting your time on? You have such bigger fish to fry like core game stability, crashing, and horrific lag in pvp.

neuroelectub17_ESO

No

Just say NO to turtling.

Every game I've ever played that had or implemented full on aoe caps turned into a turtling joke in pvp. Everyone gets bored quickly and just quits the game.

Bahriel

No

I have one thing to say:
How about petitioning for zenimax to remove current AoE caps?
check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM
This is not my video, but it needs to be removed from EVERY AoE, if you ask me.

Zargorius

No

Bahriel wrote: »

I have one thing to say:
How about petitioning for zenimax to remove current AoE caps?
check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM
This is not my video, but it needs to be removed from EVERY AoE, if you ask me.

Just brilliant, and I was convinced there was no cap, stupid me. Way to go Zenimax, fantastic transparency. The best part is now that this is widely known people will zerg much more. Also, does this mean that we should double check every ability and question every assumption about the game we make? It looks so...

Taven

No

thelg wrote: »

This is awesome more people voted in this poll then there are players in Cyrodil in most campaigns

Put this in and they gona need to add a 0 players graphics to half the campaigns

You are in the wrong campaign then.

Feidam

It just amazes me how up in arms this community gets over little things. There are other methods to deal with zergs like the use of siege. What we really see here is people wanting a group of 5 to take out a group of 40 and walk away unscathed. However, if you utilize choke points and all available tools you'll be able to make a serious dent in a passing Zerg, but your odds of escaping are lessened. Granted those numbers are made up, but the point stands.

Furthermore, I think it needs to be said again that the caps are already in place on the majority of skills. Someone LoL'd me for saying that earlier but it is true and everyone has already been dealing with the caps save for a select number of broken abilities.

Zargorius

No

Feidam wrote: »

It just amazes me how up in arms this community gets over little things. There are other methods to deal with zergs like the use of siege. What we really see here is people wanting a group of 5 to take out a group of 40 and walk away unscathed. However, if you utilize choke points and all available tools you'll be able to make a serious dent in a passing Zerg, but your odds of escaping are lessened. Granted those numbers are made up, but the point stands.

Furthermore, I think it needs to be said again that the caps are already in place on the majority of skills. Someone LoL'd me for saying that earlier but it is true and everyone has already been dealing with the caps save for a select number of broken abilities.

Except before most people didn't know it. Now that the cap starts to get widely known just watch the tactics evolve towards the zerg balls. I just hope to be wrong.

Igolbug

No

Mykah wrote: »

Heres an idea, for every No Vote thats threatening to unsub or claiming this will "ruin pvp" between teary eyes, please also share your main's class and what build youre currently using in pvp.

Yes Vote. Nightblade 2h/1hs Heavy Armor DC

No Vote. Nightblade bow/1hs Medium armor EP.
Not a vampire, only aoe on my entire bars is Caltrops and Soul Tether.

RivenEsq

No

There are a sparse few abilities on live with caps and those basically consist of healing abilities and anything that says it has a limit in the tooltip. Without DAMAGING AoEs being uncapped, it will be turtle wars. Just limit the buffs, heals, etc., that the caster gets and we won't have these problems. DKs are immortal because they just heal and get infinite magicka and heal some more because thing like bat swarm are not capped. Don't be so naive to think that a sweeping change like this isn't the worst possible solution.


There isn't a REAL AoE cap since release. With it on every skill, bar none, there will be no chance. PvP will be dead and the turtle stack will reign supreme.

moXrox

Yes

Zargorius wrote: »

Bahriel wrote: »

I have one thing to say:
How about petitioning for zenimax to remove current AoE caps?
check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM
This is not my video, but it needs to be removed from EVERY AoE, if you ask me.

Just brilliant, and I was convinced there was no cap, stupid me. Way to go Zenimax, fantastic transparency. The best part is now that this is widely known people will zerg much more. Also, does this mean that we should double check every ability and question every assumption about the game we make? It looks so...

I would say 3000 "lemmings" who did vote for NO.

The game had already an AoE cap ingame !!


The doomsayer and proponents did actually say

* that the game will be much worse than before
* it will cause more power to the Zerg
* and so on.....


So, what did happen ?


You guys did play with AoE caps already ingame and nobody did complain about any cap....suddenly doomsayer get vocal and thousands of people jump the bandwagon and believe the misinformation and all are feared the game will be change into a disaster, some said it will be bad like GW2.

This is....LOL

Zargorius

No

moXrox wrote: »

Zargorius wrote: »

Bahriel wrote: »

I have one thing to say:
How about petitioning for zenimax to remove current AoE caps?
check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwbrXNfbNM
This is not my video, but it needs to be removed from EVERY AoE, if you ask me.

Just brilliant, and I was convinced there was no cap, stupid me. Way to go Zenimax, fantastic transparency. The best part is now that this is widely known people will zerg much more. Also, does this mean that we should double check every ability and question every assumption about the game we make? It looks so...

I would say 3000 "lemmings" who did vote for NO.

The game had already an AoE cap ingame !!


The doomsayer and proponents did actually say

* that the game will be much worse than before
* it will cause more power to the Zerg
* and so on.....


So, what did happen ?


You guys did play with AoE caps already ingame and nobody did complain about any cap....suddenly doomsayer get vocal and thousands of people jump the bandwagon and believe the misinformation and all are feared the game will be change into a disaster.

This is....LOL

Right because if I want to be informed about the game mechanics and know the details of the abilities I'm using then I'm a "lemming", what it makes you to be?

The main problem I see here is that this cap was not known nor detailed anywhere. Now the cat is out of the back and I'm gonna sit back and see what happens.
I really hope it doesn't ruing PvP but as now I know about the caps my playstyle will change, there is no doubt about it.
I really don't think I will be the only one.

Also consider, people are getting worked up because they care about the game. The blissfull ignorants are those that have no strong feelings and probably no attachment - they will just move one leaving the rest sitting on a big fuming pile of crap.

Gexy

No

they can make that in PvE hit max 6 target and in PvP every player in range radius.
its something like the CCs in WoW that its different between mobs and players