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Do you think there should be an AoE cap?
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Mykah✭✭✭YesThere is nothing skill based about running into 100 players spamming 3 abilities and expecting to "skillfully" land 300 attacks every 5 seconds, that is what siege weapons are for. Note that siege weapons are stationary, require defense to hold, and can only be fired once every few seconds. Compare that to Sorc and DK AE which is mobile and spammable and clearly there is a balance issue.
Also I hear a lot of talk about how this will only help the zerg, it will destroy skill, ect ect. Ask yourselves, what about skill in a zerg vs zerg situation, (the MAJORITY of sieging going on in game) What kind of zerg did unlimited AE foster in the uncapped system? I'll tell you, it made stacking DK Sorc Vamps with a few Templar heal bots the end all be all makeup for any group size.
120v200 the AE spam makeup wins.
60v100 the AE spam makeup wins.
40v80 the AE spam makeup wins.
20v40 the AE spam makeup wins.
8v16 the AE spam makeup wins.
6v12 the AE spam makeup wins.
You guys seriously support this?
THIS is why they have an AE cap, its not to make sure the zerg crushes the little guy, its to make sure that different classes and builds are all viable in massive pvp. The vocal minority on this forum crying at the top of their little lungs are kidding themselves if they think its "skill" that was letting them nullify the efforts of a force five times their size, it was AE mechanics shredding through under-leveled players in mass that let them do it.
Pressing 1 button and directly damaging 100 other people is rediculous in a game where other builds can only damage one person at a time. This is not just a "leet small group" vs "nub zerg" issue, it is a zerg vs zerg issue, its a 12v12 issue, its a 6v12 issue. Its about creating a balance between all playstyles regardless of the numbers involved. Step back and look at the big picture here, the entire game does not revolve around you Sorc or DK ae spam, nor should it.Edited by Mykah on April 27, 2014 3:39PM4 -
Pryda✭✭No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1
Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.Sorcerer on Auriel's Bow EU - http://www.twitch.tv/Prydatv & http://www.youtube.com/cyr9x (1-50 & VR leveling guides + PvP Videos)2 -
Fazuzu✭NoI love this game! It's probably one of the best games I have played in years, I don't mind all the glitches and bots I can get passed that because it can be fixed. Now if they go out of their way to destroy their own game i'm done. Witch sucks cause I love this damn game.0
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Mykah✭✭✭Yes
Heres another one of your videos. Watch them both then tell me honestly which one looks more balanced.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1
Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtN-rB0OQVU
(Thanks for making the reality clear for everyone, it perfectly illustrates how an AE cap creates balance)Edited by Mykah on April 27, 2014 4:01PM1 -
Avaery✭NoAll this shows is 3 guys taking the initiative to wipe out a zerg that wasnt paying attention. AOE capping would be terrible.
Good job defending that keep!
Heres another one of your videos. Watch them both then tell me honestly which one looks more balanced.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1
Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtN-rB0OQVU
(Thanks for making the reality clear for everyone, it perfectly illustrates how an AE cap creates balance)
Edited by Avaery on April 27, 2014 4:03PM0 -
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Heres another one of your videos. Watch them both then tell me honestly which one looks more balanced.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1
Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtN-rB0OQVU
(Thanks for making the reality clear for everyone, it perfectly illustrates how an AE cap creates balance)
Good way to BS .... I count 7-8 red shields at the end of that fight in that keep not 3.0 -
Visur✭Nohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1
Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.
This is exactly what I DON'T want to see in the game in few weeks. Thanks for the video.
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No
120v200 the AE spam makeup wins.
60v100 the AE spam makeup wins.
40v80 the AE spam makeup wins.
20v40 the AE spam makeup wins.
8v16 the AE spam makeup wins.
6v12 the AE spam makeup wins.
You guys seriously support this?
THIS is why they have an AE cap,
No that is what happens when you have an AoE cap. Everyone stacks and AoE's the other group till one wins. BECAUSE YOU CANT TARGET THE HEALERS IN TEH STACK. The point which you have ignored over an over and over......
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Mykah✭✭✭YesDenial of the obvious. The title of this guys video is "How to defend a keep with 3 people"
Clearly him and the other VR Sorc are what destroyed that group of 30 people.
A Vr10 Destro Staff Sorc Vampire spamming pulsar and batswarm, what an amazing and skill based strategy.
Lol wake up kids.5 -
Novalkaneer2b14_ESO wrote: »Heres an idea, for every No Vote thats threatening to unsub or claiming this will "ruin pvp" between teary eyes, please also share your main's class and what build youre currently using in pvp.
Yes Vote. Nightblade 2h/1hs Heavy Armor DC
What good will that do, you have still been challenged over and over with very clear questions refuting your comments like "Use your reticle intelligently". You have yet to answer them.
Answer this question that I have asked for the 3rd time now.... I'll even give you the best possible scenario to be in your favor.
- Prove to me you could take the 10 best players in the game and focus fire down 10 healer targets, one after the other stacked group of 200.
Fist explain that one, how are you going to do that. If you can not, troll somewhere else.
Those ten players would have to be on a defendable keep wall, 2 of them dedicated healers, the other 8 on ballistas grouping their shots onto designated targets.
Now tell me anonymous QQer, what class and build is your pvp main?
You still have not answered the question.
Your only way to kill them is to do it from a keep wall with a ballista???? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Same exact one as you....LOL funny thing. NB 2h0 -
Novalkaneer2b14_ESO wrote: »Heres an idea, for every No Vote thats threatening to unsub or claiming this will "ruin pvp" between teary eyes, please also share your main's class and what build youre currently using in pvp.
Yes Vote. Nightblade 2h/1hs Heavy Armor DC
What good will that do, you have still been challenged over and over with very clear questions refuting your comments like "Use your reticle intelligently". You have yet to answer them.
Answer this question that I have asked for the 3rd time now.... I'll even give you the best possible scenario to be in your favor.
- Prove to me you could take the 10 best players in the game and focus fire down 10 healer targets, one after the other stacked group of 200.
Fist explain that one, how are you going to do that. If you can not, troll somewhere else.
Those ten players would have to be on a defendable keep wall, 2 of them dedicated healers, the other 8 on ballistas grouping their shots onto designated targets.
Now tell me anonymous QQer, what class and build is your pvp main?
BTW you think they will be stupid enough to stand far enough way to be in ballista range???0 -
Heskey✭NoGames need to let players make their own mistakes and trust that they will learn from them, instead of holding their hand.
An AoE cap is backward logic and serves only to reward the unobservant.2 -
NoDenial of the obvious. The title of this guys video is "How to defend a keep with 3 people"
Clearly him and the other VR Sorc are what destroyed that group of 30 people.
A Vr10 Destro Staff Sorc Vampire spamming pulsar and batswarm, what an amazing and skill based strategy.
Lol wake up kids.
2 people standing at the door with Mage light would of prevented that.... Also quit BSing people. There are more than 3 people easy to count 6-7 people at least at the end Helping the mage. That makes 7-8 people not 3.0 -
omertaSoul ShrivenNohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1
Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.
thank you very much for the video, this is the reason I stop playing gw2.
if the rvr of eso to be converted in the gw2 wvw I will cancel my subscription1 -
NoMykah you have no examples in any game where an AoE cap prevented Stacking Zergs, because it only encourages them.
I know real truth is hard to deal with.Edited by valkaneer2b14_ESO on April 27, 2014 4:21PM1 -
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Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.
Oh look... a GW2 video.. oh i mean ESO video
How nice..
This is what GW2 looks like right now with its caps
Thanks ZoS for making this game into a giant turd like GW2https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos0 -
Noxsorusb14_ESO wrote: »https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o&hd=1
Future of the game if you don't change this cap to 6 targets.
Oh look... a GW2 video.. oh i mean ESO video
How nice..
This is what GW2 looks like right now with its caps
Thanks ZoS for making this game into a giant turd like GW2
And that.. is right now in live with a few unlimited AoE skills flying about. Once those skills also become capped.. our raid will be immortal to anything, assuming we are still subbed that is.
That video is honestly how guild raid fights will play out atm, I am the raid leader for votf and my strat in this crap is "stand still, heal and do damage and hope they wipe before we wipe or the server crashes". Epic teso combat with capped AoE
Tbh comparing this combat to GW2 is an insult to GW2, GW2 wvw took way more skill than this, the comparison isnt even close.Edited by Jackiepvp on April 27, 2014 4:35PM[VoTF]1 -
Some_Jerk✭✭✭No'Not okay' is a massive understatement for how horribly inappropriate this change would be. It shocks me that it is being considered.0
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Edited by valkaneer2b14_ESO on April 27, 2014 4:56PM0
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NoThere are a few abilities which need adjusting i.e. vampire bat swarm but there really shouldn't be an aoe cap at all.2
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LazGup✭NoI have unsubscribed to know what they do with the AoE cap (thanks zinemax)Edited by LazGup on April 27, 2014 5:01PM0 -
poppe118b16_ESOSoul ShrivenNoIf anything I would like the damage to scale down the more people you hit, say if it hits more than 6 people the damage will be spread over the extra people hit.0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BxyNKATs2s
notice how everyone who's not mezzed are running in every single direction away from that clump? That's what you're suppose to be doing when you get aoedhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Razeo✭NoHeres an idea, for every No Vote thats threatening to unsub or claiming this will "ruin pvp" between teary eyes, please also share your main's class and what build youre currently using in pvp.
Yes Vote. Nightblade 2h/1hs Heavy Armor DC
HELL NO Vote. Sorc Resto Staff DPS/Resto Staff Heals DC. FYI, there is no AOE in that build other than Illustrious healing.Edited by Razeo on April 27, 2014 5:34PM0
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