Rollback yes or no

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Tessitura

A rollback would be completly unnecessary, If CCP can deal with problems like this without rollbacks then so can ZOS. Its not impossible to undo the transactions that lead to these economy problems. They can track the IP address of the offenders and ban the IP. Remove all the suspected items and money gained from the game by tracking the IP accounts transactions (Yes some innocents will get caught in the crossfire in the form of losing some of the items gained by unknowing purchase of duped items). Other Game companies have dealt with problems like this before without rollbacks. ZOS is a group of experienced developers and I believe they are capable of dealing with this if they put it to task.

Goibot

Forbes is now reporting on this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/04/18/the-elder-scrolls-online-hit-with-first-major-bug-the-infinite-dupe/

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

yeah basically some for the original banned dupers were never caught, others have already had their accounts restored. all items and gold kept. and there are 2 new bugs, although one is traceable. basically it wont be dupers if bans are the answer. whole guilds are being used as storage areas, and random stuff is begin given out. I haven't encountered it, but if their claims of having 20mil gold in the bank is true, the ban hammer is gonna need to come down hard.

I was against rollbacks, but if this is as bad as they say, it might be the only solution. reset chars, remove all items. clear guild banks, keep friend and guild lists. ban exploiters, their mutlis, and the guilds that have been helping them. and start fresh. It's apparently bad in PVP.

Etchesketch

It will never happen. Ever.

rogerdb16_ESO

My subscription is cancelled.
Whichever solution they come up with, i hope it's a convincing one, or sadly my ESO time is over before it really began.
I wouldn't mind a rollback, but i'm sure that's not going to be their idea of a solution.

Goibot

The Tamriel Foundry is reporting 2 new dupe bugs

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/2-new-dupe-bugs/

I don't want a rollback but seriously is there any other way to get all the stuff purged from the system? I would like ESO to plug all the holes first!

Etchesketch

No company is going to ever restart hundreds of thousands of paying customers who for the most part, don't even know about duping,

Forum kiddies (me) need to get over themselves. We are the extreme minority. The vast majority of players, play less than 10 hours a week and another majority of players never even visit the forums.

A rollback would cause such a mass exodus as has never been seen in gaming history and the quickest death of an online game ever.

WitchAngel

They can't ban / remove / fix eveything this duping has done. No matter how hard they try, the ripples will never cease to exist.

They have two choices:

1) No rollback, and give up on Cyrodil (PvP isn't very popular in an enviroment which is rigged from the start.)
2) Rollback - Making Cyrodil something special again, where you can compete on equal terms.

- 1) This solution will slowly kill the game, being on a steady path towards F2P, unless something changes.
- 2) would most likely result in a lot of immediate subscription losses.

They will go for no. 1. Everyone wants money NOW, and really don't care much about tomorrow.

WitchAngel

Btw....the hireling cheat is working perfectly fine. At least according to:
*SNIP*
Just google it yourself ZOS. Get rid of it.

It's quite frigging sick. ZOS have been made aware of this cheat days ago, and they still haven't fixed it.

This game is not worth the monthly fee. It is in no way better than a singleplayer game, as the multiplayer part is broken beyond comprehension.

Etchesketch

Delete your link... it's a ban offense to link to cheats. You may have just let thousands of people know how to do a new (to them) cheat.

@WitchAngel

WitchAngel

Etchesketch wrote: »

Delete your link... it's a ban offense to link to cheats. You may have just let thousands of people know how to do a new (to them) cheat.

@WitchAngel

I have deleted the link, but only because I am not allowed to post it.

Personally, I think that any cheat which is available in a game should be public to everyone, for two reasons:

1) It put's pressure on the dev to fix it ASAP.
2) Devs can adress it and say "DON'T DO THIS OR FACE THE BANHAMMER !"

But whatever....let's just hide it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.

It's amazing that developers are clueless about the scope of some bugs, and their impact on their game. It's like they honestly don't care about the actual game, at all. If they really cared, they would be eager to fix any bug which arises. Atm. it seems like their concern is to make people think the bugs aren't there, rather than actually fixing them.

Etchesketch

You will never ever stop cheating bud.

Lessening the public knowledge of it is part of the way to curb it even a tiny bit.

WitchAngel

Etchesketch wrote: »

You will never ever stop cheating bud.

Lessening the public knowledge of it is part of the way to curb it even a tiny bit.

Maybe not stop it, but cheats like this are very gamebreaking, and shouldn't be part of any game whatsoever, and their effects should be completely removed, which can only be done by rolling back.

Aimbots and similar aren't quite as nasty as a cheat like this. A cheat like this has a lasting effect, where as an aimbot doesn't have a lasting effect, at least not to a remotely close degree to that of creating ingame currency out of thin air.

The high inflation we now have ingame, will punish anyone who hasn't got their wallets full of gold. The ones who benefitted from cheating and didn't get caught will be the bidders for the good items, and as they have very deep pockets, you are eliminated from the competition.

Goodbye MMO, hello singleplayer game.

And ofcourse they didn't catch all who did this dupe cheat. No matter how hard they claim it. They can't even catch the right people it seems, and bans innocent people.

They are buried in a pile of ***, they apparently have no intention of getting out of, all they want, is for you to look the other way.

Tavore1138

I have harvested over 7,000 nodes in the weeks since this started (mainly as i was 'lucky' enough to be ill for 9 days at the start of play time). I have finally made a single item of legendary gear from all that work, I will wear my honestly made ebony cuirass with TES geek pride !

If I was to have to do it all again because of a roll back I suspect I just won't have the heart.

doggie

They could delete all items, and all gold. Then reward each player with some starting items and a bit of gold. That way players get to keep their progression, but all items are gone.

WitchAngel

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I have harvested over 7,000 nodes in the weeks since this started (mainly as i was 'lucky' enough to be ill for 9 days at the start of play time). I have finally made a single item of legendary gear from all that work, I will wear my honestly made ebony cuirass with TES geek pride !

If I was to have to do it all again because of a roll back I suspect I just won't have the heart.

So you don't mind that others did what you did in minutes, and still reap the rewards from it?

Evergreen

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I have harvested over 7,000 nodes in the weeks since this started (mainly as i was 'lucky' enough to be ill for 9 days at the start of play time). I have finally made a single item of legendary gear from all that work, I will wear my honestly made ebony cuirass with TES geek pride !

If I was to have to do it all again because of a roll back I suspect I just won't have the heart.

I've been playing since 5 day early access and don't even have a single legendary mat yet except a few legendary aspect runes. PvP is what really concerns me in terms of the people illegitimately decked out in all legendary gear weather they are honest players who bought from an illegitimate player/guild or exploiters themselves. That being said I trust Zenimax is working on solutions and continuing to ban people. Meanwhile the game is too much fun to let these setbacks sour the experience.

tsheineb14_ESO

They need to completely relaunch and wipe all of it. They had no business launching in the first place in this games sorry state.

Gelston

In a year, nothing from any of these dupes will matter. They aren't going to rollback. It seems like it is big now (actually, no it doesn't) but it'll be very insignificant later.

Curious, how many of you asking for a Rollback have made it to Vet levels yet? It is certainly easy to do with no exploits within the time frame since the game was released.

Magischzwei

Gelston wrote: »

In a year, nothing from any of these dupes will matter. They aren't going to rollback. It seems like it is big now (actually, no it doesn't) but it'll be very insignificant later.

Curious, how many of you asking for a Rollback have made it to Vet levels yet? It is certainly easy to do with no exploits within the time frame since the game was released.

Maybe if not for endless loading screens, bugged main story quests and other such shenanigans.

Gelston

Magischzwei wrote: »

Gelston wrote: »

In a year, nothing from any of these dupes will matter. They aren't going to rollback. It seems like it is big now (actually, no it doesn't) but it'll be very insignificant later.

Curious, how many of you asking for a Rollback have made it to Vet levels yet? It is certainly easy to do with no exploits within the time frame since the game was released.

Maybe if not for endless loading screens, bugged main story quests and other such shenanigans.

Everyone faces that though.

Tandor

DracoBlanc wrote: »

I've just been running around enjoying the game, not even aware that there was a duping scandal...

Then again I simply enjoy the game, I don't care what someone else has or has not done ingame as it does not impact my life.

This.

Tavore1138

WitchAngel wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I have harvested over 7,000 nodes in the weeks since this started (mainly as i was 'lucky' enough to be ill for 9 days at the start of play time). I have finally made a single item of legendary gear from all that work, I will wear my honestly made ebony cuirass with TES geek pride !

If I was to have to do it all again because of a roll back I suspect I just won't have the heart.

So you don't mind that others did what you did in minutes, and still reap the rewards from it?

Yes & no - I mind that they did it without effort BUT by punishing me by negating all MY effort it just rewards them again.

And my gaming experience is my own - because i have done it my way I have got the reward both in a shiny item and also in the feeling of having earned it fairly. These people just cheat themselves.

As I make my own gear then I don't suffer because of any game inflation that may arise, I make my money by harvesting crafting gear I don't use and selling it to the in game shops and I have more than I need.

I haven't seen any huge imbalance in PVP, the reality is that the difference between purple and golden gear is not vast and game changing - a good pvp player in blue or purple is still going to own a poor player with golden gear.

Overall if ZOS do the smart thing and review the logs and remove this stuff and the cheaters from the game it's going to be forgotten in a couple of months.

Magischzwei

Gelston wrote: »

Magischzwei wrote: »

Gelston wrote: »

In a year, nothing from any of these dupes will matter. They aren't going to rollback. It seems like it is big now (actually, no it doesn't) but it'll be very insignificant later.

Curious, how many of you asking for a Rollback have made it to Vet levels yet? It is certainly easy to do with no exploits within the time frame since the game was released.

Maybe if not for endless loading screens, bugged main story quests and other such shenanigans.

Everyone faces that though.

Some people have been unlucky enough to not get to veteran content yet because the quest leading there wont work.

Praise the three that you aren't one of them.

Paske

There will be no rollback.

Try to understand. Just walk away from keyboard for 5 minutes, think about what rollback would mean and then reconsider this proposal.

That is why there will be no rollback.

Audigy

The imbalance in pvp is also there without dupes. Tons of players abuse hirelings since day one, is it an exploit? Maybe not, but it still gives them access to gear that others wont have.

PVP in any game will always work after that way. People will have better stuff than you, if you now demand a rollback every time this happens, then there will be no player left than yourself

They need to keep on banning everyone who cheats, check the forum it got quieter here because many of the exploiters got caught. Everyone who cheats should be banned and this forever, There should be a zero tolerance policy.

WitchAngel

Gelston wrote: »

In a year, nothing from any of these dupes will matter. They aren't going to rollback. It seems like it is big now (actually, no it doesn't) but it'll be very insignificant later.

Curious, how many of you asking for a Rollback have made it to Vet levels yet? It is certainly easy to do with no exploits within the time frame since the game was released.

It is not about levels....at all. It is about items and a pile of gold. Your question is indeed irrelevant.

Endolith

Paske wrote: »

There will be no rollback.

Try to understand. Just walk away from keyboard for 5 minutes, think about what rollback would mean and then reconsider this proposal.

That is why there will be no rollback.

Yeah. Funny that people are still talking about a rollback as though it is a possibility. Discussing the ramifications of no rollback makes sense, but pretending there might still be one does not.

Gelston

WitchAngel wrote: »

Gelston wrote: »

In a year, nothing from any of these dupes will matter. They aren't going to rollback. It seems like it is big now (actually, no it doesn't) but it'll be very insignificant later.

Curious, how many of you asking for a Rollback have made it to Vet levels yet? It is certainly easy to do with no exploits within the time frame since the game was released.

It is not about levels....at all. It is about items and a pile of gold. Your question is indeed irrelevant.

I think it is VERY relevant. It is also relevant to what MY point on the matter is. I care more about my levels then any money or gear I have. I spent a LOT of time to get to VR5.