Laughable Patchnotes

YuccaPalm

,,Anchors from the Harbour: Doshia has had her powers reduced.''

Uber casual game incoming.

SgtPepperUK

Because a quest where most people waited until they were several levels over the supposed quest level being made easier is a nerf?

Nobody minds a true challenge but there are times when the difficulty spikes up beyond what it should for the stated quest level.

mutharex

A lot of the 'bosses' have been nerfed since beta. Whiney kids whine, awesome game starts to die. next: nameplates, minimap and global AH

Chirru

Sorry OP...
most of us are not as skilled players as you are.

Personally...i am more the casual office type player and
there are definitely limits to what i can cope with.

Dimachaerus

Hmm, I'm in daggerfall covenant, and I don't remember Doshia at all.
Is Doshia in another faction? Or maybe I was just lucky that people came and killed her the same time as me, I don't know.

With all this story in ESO, it all kinda blurs together lol.

Loxy37

If people think doshia was hard, they are in for a shock. I died about 5 times in beta to her but it encouraged me to try harder! Until I can beat her in my sleep, it was refreshing to be challenged in an MMO or RPG for that matter as all have become terribly easy to the point that there's no chsllenge anymore. Skyrim even on legendary was a cakewalk but at least in a single player they can add sliders for people who find it a challenge but as my son did, people just crank it right down if they die once! This won't be the end of the nerfs and by the end we will have WoW 2.0!

mutharex

Dimachaerus wrote: »

Hmm, I'm in daggerfall covenant, and I don't remember Doshia at all.
Is Doshia in another faction? Or maybe I was just lucky that people came and killed her the same time as me, I don't know.

With all this story in ESO, it all kinda blurs together lol.

Fighters Guild quest

Chirru

To Loxy37

Friend...you are sooo cheerful.
Have some faith.

however... i do like the slider idea... if it were possible in an MMO...sigh

Dimachaerus

The VR zones are challenging, at least if you do them as I do VR1 in VR1 zone, and currently VR2 in VR2 zone, I hope that isn't nerfed.

Maybe it's just my crap build that makes it hard lol

But if someone want it easier they could lvl a bit in Cyrodiil before heading to the VR zones.

Rosebloome

Whhaaaaaatttttt.

They nerfed doshia, and doshia was hard? O.o I never noticed. Wasn't that that fighter guild boss?

Turial

In fairness, some builds are stronger than others, especially starting out as Doshia is a low level quest it can be overwhelming for some players who are still figuring out where to place skills, etc. Doshia mechanics are used later in the game too and much more difficult but by that time you have skill points in areas you want and a slightly better build, by that point players can focus on it. I personally had no problem with Doshia on my Templar but she wiped the floor with my Nightblade.

mutharex

Rosebloome wrote: »

Whhaaaaaatttttt.

They nerfed doshia, and doshia was hard? O.o I never noticed. Wasn't that that fighter guild boss?

Yup. Gutripper is already little more than a normal clannfear, you can solo Balreth and kill him in more or less 30 seconds (no exaggeration, it doesn't even reach the lava once... SOLO). Mediocrity always wins, even when it's some sort of optional content, the LCD will always win (and no, I don't mean the drug unfortunately)

Next stop: Auction House and a minimap

Lalai

Turial wrote: »

In fairness, some builds are stronger than others, especially starting out as Doshia is a low level quest it can be overwhelming for some players who are still figuring out where to place skills, etc. Doshia mechanics are used later in the game too and much more difficult but by that time you have skill points in areas you want and a slightly better build, by that point players can focus on it. I personally had no problem with Doshia on my Templar but she wiped the floor with my Nightblade.

I'm not really sure it had a whole lot to do with builds. I literally had no damage skills when I did her, a few heal over time skills and a lot in crafting. I still beat her with a resto staff. A lot of people just wanted to ignore her mechanics.. they're too use to the spam buttons to kill things, and heal through the things that normally should be dodged/interrupted type stuff.

I am sad this fight got nerfed.. it was one of the early fights that basically taught you to watch for mechanics, and that interrupting is important. I even helped a friend's wife (who is completely new to MMOs) through the fight by explaining mechanics to her, and eventually she got it and won. Once you actually get the mechanics down it becomes a breeze, yeah it may take more deaths for some than others to get there.. but it is definitely a learning experience, which is what I thought was so great about it.

Rosebloome

mutharex wrote: »

Rosebloome wrote: »

Whhaaaaaatttttt.

They nerfed doshia, and doshia was hard? O.o I never noticed. Wasn't that that fighter guild boss?

Yup. Gutripper is already little more than a normal clannfear, you can solo Balreth and kill him in more or less 30 seconds (no exaggeration, it doesn't even reach the lava once... SOLO). Mediocrity always wins, even when it's some sort of optional content, the LCD will always win (and no, I don't mean the drug unfortunately)

Next stop: Auction House and a minimap

When you figure out killing the floating balls that heal you up shouldn't have any trouble at all. O.o

Had more trouble with the portal at the start of the Gutripper quest, where the scamps and daedra continiously spawn on top of each other.

Ohhh well.

mutharex

Rosebloome wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Rosebloome wrote: »

Whhaaaaaatttttt.

They nerfed doshia, and doshia was hard? O.o I never noticed. Wasn't that that fighter guild boss?

Yup. Gutripper is already little more than a normal clannfear, you can solo Balreth and kill him in more or less 30 seconds (no exaggeration, it doesn't even reach the lava once... SOLO). Mediocrity always wins, even when it's some sort of optional content, the LCD will always win (and no, I don't mean the drug unfortunately)

Next stop: Auction House and a minimap

When you figure out killing the floating balls that heal you up shouldn't have any trouble at all. O.o

Had more trouble with the portal at the start of the Gutripper quest, where the scamps and daedra continiously spawn on top of each other.

Ohhh well.

That's the whole point!! None of these fights were actually HARD, unless you decided to completely ignore everything but the mob. Once they start to give in to this kind of players, it's a slippery slope toward wowclone

rager82b14_ESO

Skill should not always be what is needed to play a game. Many people enjoy the game, and the story should not be omg pro at it. Called balance.

There should be content for people who want a tougher time, but not a quest. So it is fine.

Valthorian1914

Doshia? Hard? Really...?
Wow. Sounds like some players just felt they are able to be heroic w/o even trying. Easy as pie to win that fight. Even on a tank w/o any sort of true damage dealing abilities taken in.
C'mon people...

Hodorius

This mob was never about skill!
It was about looking and thinking.

mutharex

Hodorius wrote: »

This mob was never about skill!
It was about looking and thinking.

Something that wowkiddies never got used to, so now every game that they wanna play has to be made for people with learning difficulties.....
If this trend doesn't stop, i am afraid I won't be renewing after the 2 months I have already (unfortunately) purchased. This is going the way GW2 went

Rosebloome

Hodorius wrote: »

This mob was never about skill!
It was about looking and thinking.

I kinda thought the entire point of the game was look and think.

I mean, alot of the quests were even puzzles. Not super HARD puzzles mind you, but place all these things in order kind of things.

Reminds me of this one quest. Big braziers burning with color fires above unlit ones. Like, green, red, green. Pretty obvious. light the ones under to match. Then I read in zone chat, " How do I do this quest. " Which was one with the colored burning bonfires. /sigh

Reiterpallasch

Doshia was never hard. You could beat her while underleveled with subpar gear if you actually did the mechanics of the fight properly. Sadly most people think the mechanics of every fight should be "stand still, click as fast as possible".

If only the fight had an endless supply of slow moving orbs that fully refilled your health/magicka/stamina/ultimate whenever you touch them...

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

Because having a quest where most people waited until they were several levels over the supposed quest level is a nerf?

That's their own fault then for refusing to do a fight properly.

Chirru wrote: »

Sorry OP...
most of us are not as skilled players as you are.

The "skill" required for the fight is to hit the orbs before they touch her. Slightly harder than tying your shoes, slightly easier than drawing inside of the lines.

Rosebloome

Reiterpallasch wrote: »

The "skill" required for the fight is to hit the orbs before they touch her. Slightly harder than tying your shoes, slightly easier than drawing inside of the lines.

I spit tea out of my nose. Thanks for this.

Ekeiram

It depends on you build, really. I knew the mechanics , and still the fight took 15 minutes or more, but my BF wit a lot less experience , but the right build, didn't even had too look at the mechanics and had her down within a minute.
I would love her to stay this hard, but I can understand that they did this. ( they probably have a lot of data of people fighting her )

clairefunb16_ESO

Rosebloome wrote: »

Reminds me of this one quest. Big braziers burning with color fires above unlit ones. Like, green, red, green. Pretty obvious. light the ones under to match. Then I read in zone chat, " How do I do this quest. " Which was one with the colored burning bonfires. /sigh

Which I would have understood just fine if the fires above had been there. When they're not there at all, it was a hard quest, with a meaningless way to solve it. Did it a few times in beta and I did get such a surprise on launch when I saw the coloured fires for the first time...

So maybe don't rush to judge and instarage, as you may not know the full story.

Oh and yes, I found Doshia hard, as a resto sorc, and died the first time. Then the second time I saw the orbs, and while it was still tough to survive (I'm a bit squishy) it was a fun fight to work out, so I think this is a shame too. I enjoyed the challenge.

rager82b14_ESO

Man some of you are so full of yourselves.

SgtPepperUK

mutharex wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

This mob was never about skill!
It was about looking and thinking.

Something that wowkiddies never got used to, so now every game that they wanna play has to be made for people with learning difficulties.....
If this trend doesn't stop, i am afraid I won't be renewing after the 2 months I have already (unfortunately) purchased. This is going the way GW2 went

Doshia was a level 8 quest.

The most common bit of advice given was wait until you're level 12 or 13.

So clearly there was a problem with the quest - nothing to do with "wowkiddies" or people with learning difficulties.

Devs will probably have also data-mined this and had verifiable statistical evidence that alot of people were going back to this several levels later.

Rosebloome

clairefunb16_ESO wrote: »

So maybe don't rush to judge and instarage, as you may not know the full story.

Whose raging? o.o

Ekeiram

If you have no interupts in you spec ( yes that happens ) she heals herself when you are down

mutharex

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

This mob was never about skill!
It was about looking and thinking.

Something that wowkiddies never got used to, so now every game that they wanna play has to be made for people with learning difficulties.....
If this trend doesn't stop, i am afraid I won't be renewing after the 2 months I have already (unfortunately) purchased. This is going the way GW2 went

Doshia was a level 8 quest.

The most common bit of advice given was wait until you're level 12 or 13.

So clearly there was a problem with the quest - nothing to do with "wowkiddies" or people with learning difficulties.

Devs will probably have also data-mined this and had verifiable statistical evidence that alot of people were going back to this several levels later.

Except you could do the quest at 8 without dying once had you bothered watching what was going on when she got her health replenished 'mysteriously'

Fighters and Mages Guilds should be optional slightly 'harder' content for people who aren't brain dead. For the others, there is the predigested content. Let's not turn every game and every facet of them into some sort of Tardcraft 2.0 please

cromica81_ESO

Lol seriously? Never had trouble in the beta with her or release, how hard is it to kill the orbs before they touch her.

Ekeiram

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

Lol seriously? Never had trouble in the beta with her or release, how hard is it to kill the orbs before they touch her.

well if you cannot move , because one of her abilities , it is not possible to kill the orbs