Boss Camping Has To Be Dealt With

Cherryblossom

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

In Today's headlines:

"Camping Farmer Grief"
as it dawns on them they may have to start playing the game the way it was intended

So we all go to killing Mobs in the open world, good luck finding something to kill!

Kililin

Some people dont get the multiplayer part, public dungeons are just the first station where you are exposed to some realities of mmo's.

I am looking forward to some of the endgame problems these immersion seeking, single player gamers will have.

Most likely i will be dissatisfied, because they will not be long time customers. (They would have to engage in the exact behavior they obviously hate even when others are doing it.)

Darzil

I thought realities of MMOs were just grinding instanced dungeons for loot, not standing around afk with an aggro pet waiting to get a blow in so you get loot?

pmn100b16_ESO

JohnG wrote: »

Daethzb14_ESO wrote: »

Sure, if they stop boss farming, I want(Demand) the following.

1. Improved Chance of Soulgem Drops from every mob in the game.
2. Guaranteed Boss Blue Drop, I farm bosses until I get their signature blue item, sometimes it takes 1 kill, sometimes 10.
3. Guaranteed Loot from boss if you are in the instance, I cant tell you how many times I have gotten 1 shot off on the boss, got credit(Dungeon Completion and Achievement) but did not get loot.

I agree with all 3, especially the soul gems. Farming the boss is about the only way to build up a supply as you get next to no drops from anything else.

You do know you can buy empty soul gems from vendors, and you do know there is a soul skill line specifically for filling soul gems and the like?

This is another reason why boss farming is obviously broken. If it was working as intended that everyone got their filled soul gems by visiting a public dungeon for half and hour, there wouldn't be empty soul gems at vendors and a soul gem skill line to spend points in.

Why do people think there SHOULD be a place where you farm an unlimited supply of soul gems, potions, and blue items just by clicking a button once every minute?

pmn100b16_ESO

Cherryblossom wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

In Today's headlines:

"Camping Farmer Grief"
as it dawns on them they may have to start playing the game the way it was intended

So we all go to killing Mobs in the open world, good luck finding something to kill!

Yes this is fact. When people start farming mats on landscape, there is literally going to be no enemies left to kill. Every instance of every layer of the game is going to be void of mobs, lol Give it a rest.

Kililin

Darzil wrote: »

I thought realities of MMOs were just grinding instanced dungeons for loot, not standing around afk with an aggro pet waiting to get a blow in so you get loot?

Maybe it is the age difference, first games i played had no instancing.
You even had to arrange or compete with the whole server if you wanted to raid something. Also you had to check for spots to grind, if it was not possible you had to go somewhere else. It was no big problem, most of the time people could arrange. Also you just had to cope with not getting some spot or shot at loot, and come back another time.


You can't control pets in any way here, can you?
(They are not agro, but defensive - if something agros you they fight, if you attack they fight, if you crowd control they break it :-) )

damien.vandermeulenrwb17_ESO

dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »

I mean, I can understand that some classes have a harder time, but it really isn't that difficult to use your weapon swap or move another ability onto the bar, mages fury would be a quick and easy way to get a tag for any sorc. But I don't think you're giving farmers too much credit, if someone asked me to ease off dps so they could get a tag after trying and failing a few times, id be fine with that.
EDIT : For reference my main is a sorc.

Mage's Fury (which iirc morphs into Mage's Wrath) is actually not good for tagging quickly dying mobs. The damage is delayed after cast as you fire your lightning bolt into the air before it descends and deals damage.

Lightning Splash can work, but is more annoying. I tend to use Destructive Clench in the Destro staff tree. If you use a fire staff, it's even more amusing watching the bots go running after the boss.

On another note, it seems the farmers are all complaining about stuff which I have already debunked or dismissed. I honestly have nothing against people who like to farm, but the reasons for doing so just aren't there.

And the farmers that are complaining because quest completers are trying to 'ruin the game for them' and stop them from playing the game the way they wish to play... you're doing the same for the quest completers. Try putting the shoe on the other foot...

SootyTX

The hyperbole of all the campers and bot players in this thread is absolutely hilarious, and a little pathetic.

'Only way to get soul gems' - nope, buy them for next to nothing and fill them yourself. Also, here's a clue, try sucking less and maybe you won't need to rez with them every 3 minutes. Every level block I go through I have at least 50 or 60 soul gems I bank to pass down to alts or guildies to use in the future.

'Can't get crafting improvement mats any other way, must farm' - bull hockey. I'm sitting on 50+ of each green level improvement mat, 30+ of each blue and a hand full of the higher ones AFTER TWO WEEKS OF LOW LEVEL PLAY.

"Need to grind, all MMOs are grindfests' - again, bullhockey. You WANT to play the lazy way, and don't give a damn about it completely ruining the game for other players.

'Campers/bots will just go somewhere else' - and when they do that will addressed. This is the most pathetic of all the arguments - just because this doesn't fix everything all at once, don't bother, right? Just let the bots and gold farmers take over.

Oh, and get over the 'going F2P' meme already, have an original thought for once.

Bloodsip

If I am at my keyboard farming, leave me alone. This is the easiest way in this game to get money and items you need to deconstruct. I need money to upgrade the crappy banking system that is in place, as well as the overpriced horses.
If you don't like it go some place else.

SootyTX

Kililin wrote: »

Darzil wrote: »

I thought realities of MMOs were just grinding instanced dungeons for loot, not standing around afk with an aggro pet waiting to get a blow in so you get loot?

Maybe it is the age difference, first games i played had no instancing.
You even had to arrange or compete with the whole server if you wanted to raid something. Also you had to check for spots to grind, if it was not possible you had to go somewhere else. It was no big problem, most of the time people could arrange. Also you just had to cope with not getting some spot or shot at loot, and come back another time.

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I remember my times at the treehouse well

But that was a different era. When you HAD to group to kill a single mob, when server populations were small enough that reputation actually mattered. When the top end guilds, on my server at least, felt a responsibility to make the game better for all, not hoard everything for themselves.

And, when, if someone did something out of order, there were ways to deal with it (train, anyone?). If we could find a way to mix the player attitude from then, with the graphics and systems of today, I'd be a very happy gamer.

Krym

SootyTX wrote: »

You WANT to play the lazy way, and don't give a damn about it completely ruining the game for other players.


Oh, and get over the 'going F2P' meme already, have an original thought for once.

lolwat

hey, I think running in circles farming mobs is as dull as it can get, but even I wouldn't exactly call it lazy. and wth "it completely ruining the game for other players"? stop the projecting.

furthermore f2p is hardly a meme when the suits will rather move to a different business model than shut the game down (cause it's still better than "oh sh*t no more money at ALL") when the numbers require it.

Arsenic_Touch

Hm, it looks like not every boss has a timer or they didn't add it. Was in a few public dungeons where it was being spawn camped. Got a drop every time until the blue dropped, then I left. What exactly was the timer supposed to do?

selixjm_ESO

Cherryblossom wrote: »

selixjm_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom, I killed the same boss five times and got three blues. You can't tell me that's not broken.

Well done I killed a boss 25 times last night and got 4 blues RNG is like that sometimes! Plus blues are not worth any more than greens...

No, they're worth more than greens because they produce blue reagents and ZOS has made a point about controlling the amount of rare reagents in the game.

Krym

selixjm_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

selixjm_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom, I killed the same boss five times and got three blues. You can't tell me that's not broken.

Well done I killed a boss 25 times last night and got 4 blues RNG is like that sometimes! Plus blues are not worth any more than greens...

No, they're worth more than greens because they produce blue reagents and ZOS has made a point about controlling the amount of rare reagents in the game.

worth more on paper and only after the RNG gave you a lucky roll for a second time.

while leveling blues are nice but hardly worth it, endgame is all about gold (and even then outclassed by setitems it seems)

Citraka

I'm away to start a thread on which is the best, red or white wine/ vodka or Gin / apples or oranges/ red or green... it will be as futile as the arguing and debate in this topic. 19 pages long, take the hint neither side are going to agree or resolve anything here.

Jeremy

Definitely agree. This is quickly becoming a serious problem. Almost every boss spawn I came across today had an army of bots camping it.

They need to stick this one to the top of their priority list.

kevjon74_ESO

Bloodsip wrote: »

If I am at my keyboard farming, leave me alone. This is the easiest way in this game to get money and items you need to deconstruct. I need money to upgrade the crappy banking system that is in place, as well as the overpriced horses.
If you don't like it go some place else.

NEED NEED NEED

starkerealm

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Rikku451 wrote: »

jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »

What you call camping, I call legitimate farming for items to break down for crafting mats and trait research. As long as you are at the keyboard there is no problem killing a mob repeatedly in an open world environment.

Dude, most of these "campers" are bots, it doesn't take a genius to see that.

Sadly you are obviously not a Boss Farmer and believe the hyperbole of the people who don't like it. I Farm bosses, I'm not a Bot, more importantly I have not yet seen one bot, just because someone doesn't respond to you doesn't make them a bot, someone using the same attack move doesn't make them a bot.
I don't always talk to people I always open with concealed strike.

I have. Two characters standing on the exact same point, right next to the boss spawn. Randomly snapping 90 degrees in a circle. If that wasn't a pair of bots, there was some assist tool that was completely borked.

Holycannoli

Farming is fine, botting isn't.

What about just banning chinese IPs? I've known other games to do it but it wasn't that recent so I don't know if it's effective these days.

damien.vandermeulenrwb17_ESO

SootyTX wrote: »

I remember my times at the treehouse well

But that was a different era. When you HAD to group to kill a single mob, when server populations were small enough that reputation actually mattered. When the top end guilds, on my server at least, felt a responsibility to make the game better for all, not hoard everything for themselves.

And, when, if someone did something out of order, there were ways to deal with it (train, anyone?). If we could find a way to mix the player attitude from then, with the graphics and systems of today, I'd be a very happy gamer.

TRAIN TO ZONE!

karldavy149b16_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Rikku451 wrote: »

jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »

What you call camping, I call legitimate farming for items to break down for crafting mats and trait research. As long as you are at the keyboard there is no problem killing a mob repeatedly in an open world environment.

Dude, most of these "campers" are bots, it doesn't take a genius to see that.

Sadly you are obviously not a Boss Farmer and believe the hyperbole of the people who don't like it. I Farm bosses, I'm not a Bot, more importantly I have not yet seen one bot, just because someone doesn't respond to you doesn't make them a bot, someone using the same attack move doesn't make them a bot.
I don't always talk to people I always open with concealed strike.

I have. Two characters standing on the exact same point, right next to the boss spawn. Randomly snapping 90 degrees in a circle. If that wasn't a pair of bots, there was some assist tool that was completely borked.

sigh u ever heard this :u cant say assumption with out ass ...

i personally have 2 accounts ... i farm bosses .. one on my wifes system one on mine i dont bot but my actions are near identical .... u cant assume that because someone is spamming an attack .. its a bot ... to do so u may aswell remove umption and be left with an ass .... in all fairness the only people moaining are the not so tradition mmo players ... and people with crappy systems .. tbh i was a lvl 30 in a lvl 45 dungeon and i never lost a chance of loot and why i know how to dps effectively ..

i know the boss is going to die rapidly so am i going to use some low dps attack or am i going to use my biggest no channel hit ..


and tbh 99% of games employ some form of bot detection ... eventually those bots u moan about will get banned so ignore that *** and play the game

karldavy149b16_ESO

Jeremy wrote: »

Definitely agree. This is quickly becoming a serious problem. Almost every boss spawn I came across today had an army of bots camping it.

They need to stick this one to the top of their priority list.

lol lol lol so what fix u suggest they make them solo ... so the qq about farmers turns to qq about not being able to beat it the system works people need to

research how loot is awarded in this game ....

maybe then there wont be so much qq ...

i know this people moan about not getting any loot at sky hooks

they need to fix

the best fix is this learn to dps .....

u get plenty of loot dont assume that the lvl 20 can out dps u so u get nothing

its dont worked out like that its worked out on %

i remember seeing a post about how the loot is rewarded .. and basically its rewarded to those that do the best and it scales down ...

Jeremy

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Definitely agree. This is quickly becoming a serious problem. Almost every boss spawn I came across today had an army of bots camping it.

They need to stick this one to the top of their priority list.

lol lol lol so what fix u suggest they make them solo ... so the qq about farmers turns to qq about not being able to beat it the system works people need to

research how loot is awarded in this game ....

maybe then there wont be so much qq ...

i know this people moan about not getting any loot at sky hooks

they need to fix

the best fix is this learn to dps .....

u get plenty of loot dont assume that the lvl 20 can out dps u so u get nothing

its dont worked out like that its worked out on %

i remember seeing a post about how the loot is rewarded .. and basically its rewarded to those that do the best and it scales down ...

My fix would be to ban the bots.

Holycannoli

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

u cant assume that because someone is spamming an attack .. its a bot

When their name is fjhqy or pmvulr yeah I can assume they're a bot.

pmn100b16_ESO

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Rikku451 wrote: »

jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »

What you call camping, I call legitimate farming for items to break down for crafting mats and trait research. As long as you are at the keyboard there is no problem killing a mob repeatedly in an open world environment.

Dude, most of these "campers" are bots, it doesn't take a genius to see that.

Sadly you are obviously not a Boss Farmer and believe the hyperbole of the people who don't like it. I Farm bosses, I'm not a Bot, more importantly I have not yet seen one bot, just because someone doesn't respond to you doesn't make them a bot, someone using the same attack move doesn't make them a bot.
I don't always talk to people I always open with concealed strike.

I have. Two characters standing on the exact same point, right next to the boss spawn. Randomly snapping 90 degrees in a circle. If that wasn't a pair of bots, there was some assist tool that was completely borked.

sigh u ever heard this :u cant say assumption with out ass ...

i personally have 2 accounts ... i farm bosses .. one on my wifes system one on mine i dont bot but my actions are near identical .... u cant assume that because someone is spamming an attack .. its a bot ... to do so u may aswell remove umption and be left with an ass .... in all fairness the only people moaining are the not so tradition mmo players ... and people with crappy systems .. tbh i was a lvl 30 in a lvl 45 dungeon and i never lost a chance of loot and why i know how to dps effectively ..

i know the boss is going to die rapidly so am i going to use some low dps attack or am i going to use my biggest no channel hit ..


and tbh 99% of games employ some form of bot detection ... eventually those bots u moan about will get banned so ignore that *** and play the game

Says the guy standing on the spot in a dungeon pressing the 1 key every minute with one hand, and using the tv remote with the other.

You've admitted your play style is exactly the same as a bot. You're not 'playing' the game.

badmojo

cultmethod wrote: »

How is this not a workable solution that addresses both issues? Grinders get to grind, explorers get to explore uninterrupted.

Except diminishing returns is exactly what the grinders don't want. Why would people sit there killing a boss for hours if you get all the good stuff the first few times?

I'm not saying we should be getting the rare blue items every time we kill a boss, but the loot shouldn't slowly trickle down to nothing. That will only make the non-grinder crowd happy.

badmojo

cheeser123 wrote: »

jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »

Ban botters, let farmers do what they want. As long as you are at the keyboard and killing what they're doing is not wrong, it's a normal part of mmo's.

Yeah, so I guess you've never heard of Chinese gold farmers, eh? You know, in this far off land know as "China" they take people in jails and prisons and force them to farm on MMOs and other online games for 12-18 hours per day, non-stop, to earn money by reselling in-game commodities.

So do we consider them botters? Farmers? You're going to draw the line at the type of entity at the other end of the keyboard, rather than by the actual in-game actions? That's backwards.

So now we need to nerf bosses because chinese gold farmers? LOL

You know the slave labor camps probably just play the quests anyway, since those give you more return for your time. The bosses are only good for legit players who want to relax and slay some bosses for a while as a break from questing or to get some resources. Or people with stupid bots which can't go and quest because they're stupid bots.

karldavy149b16_ESO

badmojo wrote: »

cultmethod wrote: »

How is this not a workable solution that addresses both issues? Grinders get to grind, explorers get to explore uninterrupted.

Except diminishing returns is exactly what the grinders don't want. Why would people sit there killing a boss for hours if you get all the good stuff the first few times?

I'm not saying we should be getting the rare blue items every time we kill a boss, but the loot shouldn't slowly trickle down to nothing. That will only make the non-grinder crowd happy.

i have no idea what your talking about i sit there for 30 mins to an hours and ill come out with about 25-40 blues ... with my perks in deconstruction ill end up with 16-20 blue materials .... with perks in improvement i end up with about 3-4 crafted blues an hour .... ive basically crafted every suit for every 4 lvls ... for every toon ive planned on playing now to camp out respawns for stones ...

the current method works ... near enough every boss i camp as a group going if someone says in zone or say can i get some we stop .... the method works only people that qq are the ones that use thier basic attack .... in which case your not worthy of any loot

how the loot is assigned on dps is clear do dps and u get loot even if your not grouped

the fact the boss dies in a few seconds is unimportant .... if u hit it with enough dps to tag the kill u will get loot

and tagging the kill dont take much 60-90 dps ....

people forget they get damage increase from sneak !!!!

Metrobius

Ban every semi-afk farmer from the game. this is a lazy way to play and should not be supported.

I hope they put a timer on open world dungeon boss loot just so all of you button mashing farmers have to actually play the game.

karldavy149b16_ESO

Metrobius wrote: »

I hope they put a timer on open world dungeon boss loot just so all of you button mashing farmers have to actually play the game.

botton mashers that dont play the game ... this makes no sense button mashers would have to play surely in order to button mash ???

unless of cause your saying they have to play the game your way and go out questing but then the advertisement for this game would be false advertising ...

"play the way you want"