GAMEBREAKING: Please nerf hirelings ASAP, or get rid of them altogether.

Elgarr

So now its classed as an exploit by devs, after so many people doing this (myself included after being told its the best way to get mats from hirelings.

Does this mean every single person who has done this will get banned?

Might as well kiss goodbye to the majority of serious crafters ingame, heck, out of the 2500 in the guilds I am in, I would be amazed if anything less than 75% did this, as everyone was told and got from here, and word of mouth spreads, it's commonly talked about in zones on EU server.

Oh well, looks like Wildstar will get a bigger increase of subs when they ban all these people.

nhisso

What? What is happening in this post? LMAO

Taurus498

Calm down guys, I highly doubt anybody would get banned over this.

The Devs are just realizing now that the Hireling System has not been working as intended. I'm actually surprised that it took them this long to find out, and also that nobody else had reported this "exploit" for the past month, as I just found out about it today.

The chests from the Hirelings are actually supposed to be tied to the Crafting and Hireling level of the character each Hireling belongs to. But as it currently stands, you can have multiple Low Level Alts have Hirelings deliver chests to your mail and then open these chests with your High Level Main, and all of these chests will actually contain the items corresponding to your Mains Crafting and Hireling level, which allows those who do this to reap in very large sums of Rare Materials, which can then potentially be sold for hundreds of thousands of gold per week.

Laharl_Overlord

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

correction.. it means everyone can have a ridiculous amount of gold every day so its not imbalanced and therefore doesn't deserve wasting outrage over when there are far more pressing issues to fix.

@sociald100ub17_ESO More great logic from this thread. Guess what, everyone could do the dupe exploits. Everyone can buy gold. So those are fine too? Because everyone can do them? lol

Laharl_Overlord

Taurus498 wrote: »

Calm down guys, I highly doubt anybody would get banned over this.

The Devs are just realizing now that the Hireling System has not been working as intended. I'm actually surprised that it took them this long to find out, and also that nobody else had reported this "exploit" for the past month, as I just found out about it today.

The chests from the Hirelings are actually supposed to be tied to the Crafting and Hireling level of the character each Hireling belongs to. But as it currently stands, you can have multiple Low Level Alts have Hirelings deliver chests to your mail and then open these chests with your High Level Main, and all of these chests will actually contain the items corresponding to your Mains Crafting and Hireling level, which allows those who do this to reap in very large sums of Rare Materials, which can then potentially be sold for hundreds of thousands of gold per week.

This has been reported for quite a while now. I even said it in this thread, though I was told I was wrong by people who hadn't even tried it. Guess it just needed a video showing how much money you make doing it.

Taurus498

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

This has been reported for quite a while now. I even said it in this thread, though I was told I was wrong by people who hadn't even tried it. Guess it just needed a video showing how much money you make doing it.

Yeah I guess a video can say a thousand words ha.

I'm surprised people are trying to argue with you, when it's absolutely obvious that the Hireling System shouldn't work the way it currently is, as it's really going to have a huge effect on the games economy as more and more people take advantage of this "exploit".

Hopefully the Devs will fix this ASAP.

Orizuru

I wonder... would the most simple solution be to make items needed to upgrade an item and the chests delivered by hirelings bound to the player that receives them?

If done correctly it wouldn't have much impact upon the economy, providing it's still possible for players to sell an item upgrade using their own stock of the items needed to perform the upgrade.

This would prevent players from using alts to farm upgrade items and funnel them all to one character or account.

Daverios

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Daverios

Elgarr wrote: »

So now its classed as an exploit by devs, after so many people doing this (myself included after being told its the best way to get mats from hirelings.

Does this mean every single person who has done this will get banned?

Might as well kiss goodbye to the majority of serious crafters ingame, heck, out of the 2500 in the guilds I am in, I would be amazed if anything less than 75% did this, as everyone was told and got from here, and word of mouth spreads, it's commonly talked about in zones on EU server.

Oh well, looks like Wildstar will get a bigger increase of subs when they ban all these people.

You will NOT have any action taken against your account for this.. I am not ZOS or affiliated in anyway but can gaurentee this as the person whom raised the issue and has spoken directly (over the phone) to ZOS higher up personally about this.

While it needs looking into and fixing it in no way fits the definition of a traditional exploit as it is not repeatable all day long and has bern public knowledge for a month now.

Daverios

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

I wonder... would the most simple solution be to make items needed to upgrade an item and the chests delivered by hirelings bound to the player that receives them?

If done correctly it wouldn't have much impact upon the economy, providing it's still possible for players to sell an item upgrade using their own stock of the items needed to perform the upgrade.

This would prevent players from using alts to farm upgrade items and funnel them all to one character or account.

Better solutions are 1 hireling mail per type per day across account. This one would have had the benefit of making the past mail dupe impossible but a little late for that.

Or Make hireling chest determine loot table and not the person opening it. Ie. Low medium and high quality chest.

Option one is better at FAR easier to implememt in the current system / build. In fact it should be quite easy to add a check hasGottenHirlingMail(hirlingType) which stops any additional from getting mailed if you log in another toon. The character data already persists a value for last delivery time of each type loop over that for each character ans voila problem solved. Should not require a data model change, nor client nor the downtime(assuming this b/c we have seen them take mail system offline seperatly already).

Taid

Srsly somehow it doesnt even matter anymore... this economy is so broken and no one gives a *** for this game right now lol. guess that the best defence zenimax has right now

alphawolph

So, using my hirelings is now wrong? Why give them to us then?

SunfireKnight86

Daverios wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Bing bang, mailing 6 items at a time between accounts would take hours even with a second PC- Not to mention the hours it would take to craft enough weapons/armor to get a toon to 3/3 on 4 crafts. Nobody has that much spare mats, there isn't enough bank space in the world.

I'll agree, once you have a 3/3 on one toon its easy to exploit as it stands, but quit trying to make it sound like getting 4 crafts to 3/3 only takes an hour on a fresh account. That's stupid.

Laharl_Overlord

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Bing bang, mailing 6 items at a time between accounts would take hours even with a second PC- Not to mention the hours it would take to craft enough weapons/armor to get a toon to 3/3 on 4 crafts. Nobody has that much spare mats, there isn't enough bank space in the world.

I'll agree, once you have a 3/3 on one toon its easy to exploit as it stands, but quit trying to make it sound like getting 4 crafts to 3/3 only takes an hour on a fresh account. That's stupid.

@SunfireKnight86‌, this topic would have so fewer pointless posts if you guys would just read and learn how this works before dismissing it.

Daverios

@SunfireKnight86‌

If you have two accounts simply stand next to each other craft pass craft pass done.

You would only neef to mail if you only had one pc. Who only had one pc or laptop this days? Not this guy. My craptop has terrible gfx but good enough to load eso and do this.

You seriously underestimate how easy this is. Especially for .... and here is the kicker ...THE BOTS.

Laharl_Overlord

alphawolph wrote: »

So, using my hirelings is now wrong? Why give them to us then?

No one told you using hirelings is wrong... Read the posts if you want to know what's going on.

SunfireKnight86

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Bing bang, mailing 6 items at a time between accounts would take hours even with a second PC- Not to mention the hours it would take to craft enough weapons/armor to get a toon to 3/3 on 4 crafts. Nobody has that much spare mats, there isn't enough bank space in the world.

I'll agree, once you have a 3/3 on one toon its easy to exploit as it stands, but quit trying to make it sound like getting 4 crafts to 3/3 only takes an hour on a fresh account. That's stupid.

@SunfireKnight86‌, this topic would have so fewer pointless posts if you guys would just read and learn how this works before dismissing it.

I'm aware of how it works. For it to work you need a 3/3 Hireling on THAT account. Having a second account does nothing for that unless you have 3/3 on that as well. If some mouth breather wants to take the days (yes days, weeks for enchanting) it takes to get all 4 hirelings to 3/3 on an extra account good on them. I highly doubt anyone is paying 2 subs to get a extra gold mats given that there are tons of them on the market and they are easy as all hell to get.

You people want to make it sound like everyone is running 2+ accounts to exploit a bug that allows you to get material that is easily gathered anyway. Give me a break. We know it isn't working as intended, no need to church it up.

Daverios

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Bing bang, mailing 6 items at a time between accounts would take hours even with a second PC- Not to mention the hours it would take to craft enough weapons/armor to get a toon to 3/3 on 4 crafts. Nobody has that much spare mats, there isn't enough bank space in the world.

I'll agree, once you have a 3/3 on one toon its easy to exploit as it stands, but quit trying to make it sound like getting 4 crafts to 3/3 only takes an hour on a fresh account. That's stupid.

@SunfireKnight86‌, this topic would have so fewer pointless posts if you guys would just read and learn how this works before dismissing it.

I highly doubt anyone is paying 2 subs to get a extra gold mats given that there are tons of them on the market

Hey over here *waves* I am!

Now you just met one. Granted I had not anticipated the dupes floiding the market so ya got me there.

This was also not my only motivation of course however IF I did not know this was changing I would gladly buy a 3rd account.

alphawolph

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

So, using my hirelings is now wrong? Why give them to us then?

No one told you using hirelings is wrong... Read the posts if you want to know what's going on.

Cool so the five alts i have with 3 hirelings are fine.

Laharl_Overlord

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Bing bang, mailing 6 items at a time between accounts would take hours even with a second PC- Not to mention the hours it would take to craft enough weapons/armor to get a toon to 3/3 on 4 crafts. Nobody has that much spare mats, there isn't enough bank space in the world.

I'll agree, once you have a 3/3 on one toon its easy to exploit as it stands, but quit trying to make it sound like getting 4 crafts to 3/3 only takes an hour on a fresh account. That's stupid.

@SunfireKnight86‌, this topic would have so fewer pointless posts if you guys would just read and learn how this works before dismissing it.

I'm aware of how it works. For it to work you need a 3/3 Hireling on THAT account.

wrong.....

Daverios

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Bing bang, mailing 6 items at a time between accounts would take hours even with a second PC- Not to mention the hours it would take to craft enough weapons/armor to get a toon to 3/3 on 4 crafts. Nobody has that much spare mats, there isn't enough bank space in the world.

I'll agree, once you have a 3/3 on one toon its easy to exploit as it stands, but quit trying to make it sound like getting 4 crafts to 3/3 only takes an hour on a fresh account. That's stupid.

@SunfireKnight86‌, this topic would have so fewer pointless posts if you guys would just read and learn how this works before dismissing it.

I'm aware of how it works. For it to work you need a 3/3 Hireling on THAT account.

wrong.....

He not entirely wrong you get much better at 3/3 but you do not need to. 1/3 will start rewarding instantly. he is wrong its hard to do. It is easy especially for a bot.

Laharl_Overlord

Daverios wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

You are gravley mistaken. It is SUPER EASY to level the 2nd toon because voila you have literally hundreds of hundreds of spare mats. Craft junk and trade to other account. Bing bang boom you have 3/3.

It tougher to lvl to 10ish so you have enough skill points for 3/3 in all crafts. If only there was an easy way to stand in one spot and just lvl ... oh wait. NOW you understand why the bots do it.

Bing bang, mailing 6 items at a time between accounts would take hours even with a second PC- Not to mention the hours it would take to craft enough weapons/armor to get a toon to 3/3 on 4 crafts. Nobody has that much spare mats, there isn't enough bank space in the world.

I'll agree, once you have a 3/3 on one toon its easy to exploit as it stands, but quit trying to make it sound like getting 4 crafts to 3/3 only takes an hour on a fresh account. That's stupid.

@SunfireKnight86‌, this topic would have so fewer pointless posts if you guys would just read and learn how this works before dismissing it.

I'm aware of how it works. For it to work you need a 3/3 Hireling on THAT account.

wrong.....

He not entirely wrong you get much better at 3/3 but you do not need to. 1/3 will start rewarding instantly. he is wrong its hard to do. It is easy especially for a bot.

It simply works better at 3/3. It still works very good at 2/3 or even 1/3.

Laharl_Overlord

alphawolph wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

So, using my hirelings is now wrong? Why give them to us then?

No one told you using hirelings is wrong... Read the posts if you want to know what's going on.

Cool so the five alts i have with 3 hirelings are fine.

Yes, you'll still have the hirelings I'm sure.

Milanna

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Krym wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Well it seems absolutely no one even understands how this whole thing works, even though it's been explained several times now to other people who don't get it.

ESO forums in a nutshell. see

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

And now that I think about it, if one character can collect all characters on the accounts mail, and if the hireling boxes items are determined by the character that opens the boxes trait level rather than the level of the character that was the source of the mail allowing them to have the highest chance at upgrade mats, then this is an exploit.

Actually, what demonlkojipub is saying is correct, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at @Krym

This pretty much sums it up.
You believe what demonkoljgldjglf is saying is correct, it doesn´t mean it IS correct.
Capisce?

Laharl_Overlord

Milanna wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Krym wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Well it seems absolutely no one even understands how this whole thing works, even though it's been explained several times now to other people who don't get it.

ESO forums in a nutshell. see

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

And now that I think about it, if one character can collect all characters on the accounts mail, and if the hireling boxes items are determined by the character that opens the boxes trait level rather than the level of the character that was the source of the mail allowing them to have the highest chance at upgrade mats, then this is an exploit.

Actually, what demonlkojipub is saying is correct, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at @Krym

This pretty much sums it up.
You believe what demonkoljgldjglf is saying is correct, it doesn´t mean it IS correct.
Capisce?

It is correct, we've known this for weeks. There are now videos showing it as fact.

Milanna

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

So, using my hirelings is now wrong? Why give them to us then?

No one told you using hirelings is wrong... Read the posts if you want to know what's going on.

Cool so the five alts i have with 3 hirelings are fine.

Yes.

Milanna wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Krym wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Well it seems absolutely no one even understands how this whole thing works, even though it's been explained several times now to other people who don't get it.

ESO forums in a nutshell. see

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

And now that I think about it, if one character can collect all characters on the accounts mail, and if the hireling boxes items are determined by the character that opens the boxes trait level rather than the level of the character that was the source of the mail allowing them to have the highest chance at upgrade mats, then this is an exploit.

Actually, what demonlkojipub is saying is correct, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at @Krym

This pretty much sums it up.
You believe what demonkoljgldjglf is saying is correct, it doesn´t mean it IS correct.
Capisce?

It is correct we've known this for weeks. There are now videos showing it as fact.

Rubbish.

Laharl_Overlord

Milanna wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

So, using my hirelings is now wrong? Why give them to us then?

No one told you using hirelings is wrong... Read the posts if you want to know what's going on.

Cool so the five alts i have with 3 hirelings are fine.

Yes.

Milanna wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Krym wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Well it seems absolutely no one even understands how this whole thing works, even though it's been explained several times now to other people who don't get it.

ESO forums in a nutshell. see

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

And now that I think about it, if one character can collect all characters on the accounts mail, and if the hireling boxes items are determined by the character that opens the boxes trait level rather than the level of the character that was the source of the mail allowing them to have the highest chance at upgrade mats, then this is an exploit.

Actually, what demonlkojipub is saying is correct, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at @Krym

This pretty much sums it up.
You believe what demonkoljgldjglf is saying is correct, it doesn´t mean it IS correct.
Capisce?

It is correct we've known this for weeks. There are now videos showing it as fact.

Rubbish.

I find it truly amazing, the claims people will make when they have no idea. Test it yourself. Or watch one of the videos. Why do you think zos removed the video and said they're looking into this?

Did you even read @Krym‌ posts on this thread. He was ill-informed about the entire method.

Milanna

@‌Laharl_Overlord
I simply don´t share your views and values.

I have followed a few discussions on these forums and I see a pattern.
Someone finds an "exploit". They use it.
When they have hoarded a lot of mats they see a lot of other people using the same mechanics to their advantage. That´s when they call for a nerf.

That goldsellers are using the same mechanics is unfortunate. It doesn´t mean the hierlings needs to go though. The goldsellers need to go. And if that is not possible. Ignore them.

Don´t make my game a shallow husk, thank you.

I don´t really care much what others have. I´m fine working for what I want.

Laharl_Overlord

Milanna wrote: »

@‌Laharl_Overlord
I simply don´t share your views and values.

I have followed a few discussions on these forums and I see a pattern.
Someone finds an "exploit". They use it.
When they have hoarded a lot of mats they see a lot of other people using the same mechanics to their advantage. That´s when they call for a nerf.

That goldsellers are using the same mechanics is unfortunate. It doesn´t mean the hierlings needs to go though. The goldsellers need to go. And if that is not possible. Ignore them.

Don´t make my game a shallow husk, thank you.

I don´t really care much what others have. I´m fine working for what I want.

Look at the date, this thread was made April 5th, nearly a month ago. And I've told as many people as possible about this, look at some of my posts in other hireling threads. I've been arguing in and bumping this thread in an effort to get the devs to take notice of an unintended mechanic. If I followed your so called "pattern" I'd not have ever fought for this thread, I'd have tried to keep this exploit secret for as long as possible. I've also never said anything about removing hirelings personally, I just think they need fixed.

So thanks for the distorted version of my "views and values" @Milanna‌, but no thanks.

Milanna

@Laharl_Overlord‌

You are not the OP, are you?
You are perhaps an unintended side-effect