GAMEBREAKING: Please nerf hirelings ASAP, or get rid of them altogether.

Laharl_Overlord

Krym wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

I find it truly amazing, the claims people will make when they have no idea. Test it yourself. Or watch one of the videos. Why do you think zos removed the video and said they're looking into this?

Did you even read @Krym‌ posts on this thread. He was ill-informed about the entire method.

assuming assumptions

devs say a lot (and don't) to sell their game, we have absolutely now proof whatsoever how the loot mechanic exactly works, you ASSUME it gives you more tempers because what? numbers from your personal sample? cause zos programmers are frigging lazy?

assumptions make a *** argument.

like I said, when we assume things we can also assume they've run the numbers and/or don't bother with it cause the tempers will mean *** later on anyway. they also could've slapped a DR on it. we simply don't know.

still doesn't mean it's "broken" or "gamebreaking", even if we assume the worst possible it merely increases the supply of items, whoopdidoo. in the meantime zos is nerfing gold-gain and drops left and right because they can't design around bots, remind me again why I should care about hirelings? because some ppl think they should work differently?

EDIT: actually, we're BOTH wrong, since it seems you even got runes and other stuff above your level, so we can assume feats don't get checked or not all the time (or zos scripted it to ignore max level, since we're assuming, right?)

You're trying to refute something that has been proven as fact in videos and has been known to be fact for weeks by anyone using the method. We know, without a doubt, that loot is calculated by the character opening the loot. If you open the mail on your low level alt, you get iron ore. If you open on your main, you get whatever metal that character can work with.

•Tier 1: A miner hireling will send you ore and possibly other items every day.
•Tier 2: A miner hireling will send you more ore and possibly better items every day.
•Tier 3: A miner hireling will send you even more ore and possibly even better items twice a day!

At 1/3 hireling tier I was getting about 1-3 legendaries per day. At 2/3 I'm getting a minimum of 3 per day. Since we know the loot is calculated by the character opening, then we know it it using his skill bonuses, therefore more points in hirelings leads to an increase in rare items.

We also get high level mats (about 32 per day) which can be refined. The higher level the mat, the better chance at higher tier upgrade mats. At least watch the video if you're not going to test for yourself so you can somewhat know what you're talking about.

Again, @Krym‌, I never used the term game-breaking. I said they're op when used in this fashion. Obviously something is not right with this scenario when zos takes down a video showing the process and says they're investigating it.

Laharl_Overlord

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

correction.. it means everyone can have a ridiculous amount of gold every day so its not imbalanced and therefore doesn't deserve wasting outrage over when there are far more pressing issues to fix.

@sociald100ub17_ESO More great logic from this thread. Guess what, everyone could do the dupe exploits. Everyone can buy gold. So those are fine too? Because everyone can do them? lol

Well see now there you go bringing in an ridiculousness with an apples and oranges. the gold selling is against the eula, for one so that wasn't even worthy of bringing up. The dupe is something that is most definitely and obviously a software defect. the hireling thing is not at all. they knew how it could be used and its in the game.
So make a real comparison and we can talk.

@sociald100ub17_ESO‌, So zos removed a video illustrating how to do this and said they're looking into it, yet you believe it is intentional gameplay? Ok....

So you are saying someone made a video on how to make a character, get to lvl 3 in a craft and click the button for hireling passive skill? its relaly that hard that someone needed a video?
I think you are confusing a video removed for something else.

You aren't even reading the thread are you? Yes a video was posted, and yes a dev removed it and said they're looking into this. Apparently it is that hard that people need a video, because very few in here seem to understand it.

Why are you even talking about this when you aren't even reading the thread and have no clue what's going on?

Taurus498

Okay, I can see that there is a bit of confusion here as there are now two different conversations going on here, due to those like @Laharl_Overlord and then recently myself hijacking this thread by pointing out that yes the current Hireling system is indeed not working as intended. As the Hireling Chests are not tied to the Character that each Hireling belongs to, and can be “exploited” so that those “in the know” can get large amounts of Rare Crafting Materials and potentially hundreds of thousands of gold per week from selling them, by using their High Level Main to open all of the chests.

But I fully disagree with the OP of this thread as he seems to be complaining about the Hireling System as it is intended to work. And that he would like it nerfed so that you can only have one of your characters per Account use the Hireling Skill, which I can’t see ever happening as it would cause a massive uproar.

But I agree that the Devs might need to nerf the Hireling Chest RNG, so that it is a bit more unlikely for your characters to receive Rare Crafting Materials from low level chests, but only if the market is being flooded with the Rare Crafting Materials and effecting the games economy in a significantly negative way.

sociald100ub17_ESO

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

correction.. it means everyone can have a ridiculous amount of gold every day so its not imbalanced and therefore doesn't deserve wasting outrage over when there are far more pressing issues to fix.

@sociald100ub17_ESO More great logic from this thread. Guess what, everyone could do the dupe exploits. Everyone can buy gold. So those are fine too? Because everyone can do them? lol

Well see now there you go bringing in an ridiculousness with an apples and oranges. the gold selling is against the eula, for one so that wasn't even worthy of bringing up. The dupe is something that is most definitely and obviously a software defect. the hireling thing is not at all. they knew how it could be used and its in the game.
So make a real comparison and we can talk.

@sociald100ub17_ESO‌, So zos removed a video illustrating how to do this and said they're looking into it, yet you believe it is intentional gameplay? Ok....

So you are saying someone made a video on how to make a character, get to lvl 3 in a craft and click the button for hireling passive skill? its relaly that hard that someone needed a video?
I think you are confusing a video removed for something else.

You aren't even reading the thread are you? Yes a video was posted, and yes a dev removed it and said they're looking into this. Apparently it is that hard that people need a video, because very few in here seem to understand it.

Why are you even talking about this when you aren't even reading the thread and have no clue what's going on?

Im simplyi responding to what you said. that ok with you? I guess not you are sure getting upset. if people needed a video for that well then there are a lot of inept people out there. a 6 yr old could easily figure it out.

Laharl_Overlord

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

correction.. it means everyone can have a ridiculous amount of gold every day so its not imbalanced and therefore doesn't deserve wasting outrage over when there are far more pressing issues to fix.

@sociald100ub17_ESO More great logic from this thread. Guess what, everyone could do the dupe exploits. Everyone can buy gold. So those are fine too? Because everyone can do them? lol

Well see now there you go bringing in an ridiculousness with an apples and oranges. the gold selling is against the eula, for one so that wasn't even worthy of bringing up. The dupe is something that is most definitely and obviously a software defect. the hireling thing is not at all. they knew how it could be used and its in the game.
So make a real comparison and we can talk.

@sociald100ub17_ESO‌, So zos removed a video illustrating how to do this and said they're looking into it, yet you believe it is intentional gameplay? Ok....

So you are saying someone made a video on how to make a character, get to lvl 3 in a craft and click the button for hireling passive skill? its relaly that hard that someone needed a video?
I think you are confusing a video removed for something else.

You aren't even reading the thread are you? Yes a video was posted, and yes a dev removed it and said they're looking into this. Apparently it is that hard that people need a video, because very few in here seem to understand it.

Why are you even talking about this when you aren't even reading the thread and have no clue what's going on?

Im simplyi responding to what you said. that ok with you? I guess not you are sure getting upset. if people needed a video for that well then there are a lot of inept people out there. a 6 yr old could easily figure it out.

Of course it's ok that you respond to me. But communication is much easier when all parties at least make themselves aware of established facts, especially when said facts are within the same thread.

FearlessOne_2014

Taurus498 wrote: »

Okay, I can see that there is a bit of confusion here as there are now two different conversations going on here, due to those like @Laharl_Overlord and then recently myself hijacking this thread by pointing out that yes the current Hireling system is indeed not working as intended. As the Hireling Chests are not tied to the Character that each Hireling belongs to, and can be “exploited” so that those “in the know” can get large amounts of Rare Crafting Materials and potentially hundreds of thousands of gold per week from selling them, by using their High Level Main to open all of the chests.

But I fully disagree with the OP of this thread as he seems to be complaining about the Hireling System as it is intended to work. And that he would like it nerfed so that you can only have one of your characters per Account use the Hireling Skill, which I can’t see ever happening as it would cause a massive uproar.

But I agree that the Devs might need to nerf the Hireling Chest RNG, so that it is a bit more unlikely for your characters to receive Rare Crafting Materials from low level chests, but only if the market is being flooded with the Rare Crafting Materials and effecting the games economy in a significantly negative way.

Ok they can get rid of it only if they take the gold and items of all the people that got this money or said items this way.

Daverios

Post on Day 2 (April 5th) and no one takes note.

Let a month go by and show again how imbalanced this is and people accuse you of exploiting the situation and take advantage.

You weirdo's sure no how to motivate a guy to raise other issues in the future =/

Should I have just kept my mouth shut?

sociald100ub17_ESO

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Of course it's ok that you respond to me. But communication is much easier when all parties at least make themselves aware of established facts, especially when said facts are within the same thread.

So did I miss the part where a previous poster said they talked to Zen directly about this on the phone and was told it was not an exploit?
Did I miss the part where it was explained in detail that the only items that have a level check are in enchanting?
I didn't miss facts, I just skipped over a lot of conjecture and outrage because this is just a dumb thing to have such a long thread over and be so outraged about. Of all the things seriously... I just don't get upset over something everyone can do that clearly isn't against tos/eula. I just think people should be focusing on that. Like the duping that was going on... definitely abusing something that was not intended, perhaps everyone could do that but it obviously wasn't intended and it was addressed.
Perhaps the way the hirelings work will be changed... but it should honestly be way down the list of importance.

Arsvita

Just to clarify what you wrote here and on the 5th of April ...

Daverios wrote: »

Post on Day 2 (April 5th) and no one takes note.

Let a month go by and show again how imbalanced this is and people accuse you of exploiting the situation and take advantage.

You weirdo's sure no how to motivate a guy to raise other issues in the future =/

Should I have just kept my mouth shut?

I did snip some of the content, but nothing relevant to this reply or out of context.

Daverios wrote: »

I have two account and can double my chances of having better gear than anyone that only has one.

The game does not drop legendary(yellow gear) it has to be upgraded using components. The best source of the components is to run 8x hireling type on 8 char's. I can do 16. You get 32 chests/mail .. more if you provision.

I have a leg up on almost every player out there (except those in same boat) and I think this should be changed.

The number of hireling you can have legitimately exploiting this is directly proportional to your number of character slot, your character slots is directly proportional to the number of accounts you own.

Legendary should only return from hireling for high level characters (profession or main).

The simplest solution however would be to ONLY allow an account to receive one particular hireling mail a day and not 8.

I believe unless this needs to be addressed right away, and is already having an effect on and endgame that has yet to be reached for many. And yes it is worthy of an emergency patch due to the exploitation going on around it, I would not even crab about the downtime needed on a weekend no less.

Please voice your opinions.

* disclaimer

I dont think this is gamebreaking so much at this time but did post on day 2 and still say it had a huge impact at that time but in the wake of the dupes it is far less game breaking but still do not think it is functioning as intended and still broke.

You say you used this method of Hirelings with 2 Accounts for more than a month receiving 32 mailings per day.
You call it EXPLOITING! It is not an exploit.
You Do It. So if it was an exploit you would be guilty by you own admission.

But now you still want it gotten rid of to make it very difficult, to near impossible, for someone to use Hirelings to get their Needed Crafting items. Talk about imbalanced.

This would leave some people, perhaps, with 110+ slots stacked with 100 epic / legendary items each for approximately 11,000 of the rarest crafting items on hand. That's just the bank and not character / mule bag slots which you could multiply by 880 or 1760 (at 110 bag slots).

Not sure, but you still had no problem using what YOU call an EXPLOIT.

Please, it is not an exploit and many of us use it in even what you would call a legitimate way.

I will try to straighten out some of the other things mentioned most vaguely to exacerbate portents of supposed misuse.

Thank you @sociald

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote:

So did I miss the part where a previous poster said they talked to Zen directly about this on the phone and was told it was not an exploit?

*EDIT*
I have never received mail from a Hireling on any character except for the character the Hireling "belonged" to.

kasain

No need to nerf the hirelings. True they may give materials that are rare. But it does encourage you to craft. In addition they give you a chance to upgrade an item that you may feel attached to.

Some people may take advantage of it by making many characters, but most of you are shallow minded. You asked them to nerf botters, and what did they do, they made a delay timer so the honest people would have a much harder time getting items from public dungeons. Now you want to do the same but in a crafting since.

Why don't you just give the whole game to cheaters with most of your thinking and logic. Enjoy what the game is and what it offers and stop about nerfing everything that may prevent people from enjoying it!

Laharl_Overlord

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Of course it's ok that you respond to me. But communication is much easier when all parties at least make themselves aware of established facts, especially when said facts are within the same thread.

So did I miss the part where a previous poster said they talked to Zen directly about this on the phone and was told it was not an exploit?
Did I miss the part where it was explained in detail that the only items that have a level check are in enchanting?
I didn't miss facts, I just skipped over a lot of conjecture and outrage because this is just a dumb thing to have such a long thread over and be so outraged about. Of all the things seriously... I just don't get upset over something everyone can do that clearly isn't against tos/eula. I just think people should be focusing on that. Like the duping that was going on... definitely abusing something that was not intended, perhaps everyone could do that but it obviously wasn't intended and it was addressed.
Perhaps the way the hirelings work will be changed... but it should honestly be way down the list of importance.

I think anyone can agree that duping is a much higher priority that this, and duping has been taken care of. But to say we shouldn't discuss a problem because there are other worse problems is ludicrous. It's up to the players to discuss whatever issues there may be, and ZOS can decide what's important. Daverios has been trying to tell people about this since day 2, but everyone totally dismissed it even though they knew nothing about it. Then a video gets posted showing how to make over 150,000 gold a week from it and suddenly ZOS and other people start to realize maybe this is something that should be looked at.

SunfireKnight86

If they just fix the mail bug it'll work fine. Making the character have to go to town to pick up the bag from a hireling would be a solid fix.

Laharl_Overlord

Arsvita wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

I think it is terrible the way to get the best gear is to have the best luck at RNG for having the most hirelings.

I have two account and can double my chances of having better gear than anyone that only has one.

For those that do not know:
The game does not drop legendary(yellow gear) it has to be upgraded using components. The best source of the components is to run 8x hireling type on 8 char's. I can do 16. Each day even though you are only lvl 3 and only get lowly mats it has a small chance to give you one of the legendary upgrade items. You get 32 chests/mail .. more if you provision.

This is horrible and needs to change or else it is just a game of 'who had the better chance(RNG) of alt hireling returning goddies. People are basically setting up their alts setting hireling and planning to forget them for months and let the legendaries roll in with absolutely no effort other than a daily login.

I have a leg up on almost every player out there (except those in same boat) and I think this should be changed. That should tell you something.

The number of hireling you can have legitimately exploiting this is directly proportional to your number of character slot, your character slots is directly proportional to the number of accounts you own. The number of accounts you own is directly proportional to how much money you spend on the game. This is a slippery Pay to Win slope. Very slippery indeed.

Legendary should only return from hireling for high level characters (profession or main). Having access to the best items in game due to 'mail lottery' is not the game I signed up for and I am sure many can feel the same.

The simplest solution however would be to ONLY allow an account to receive one particular hireling mail a day and not 8.

I believe unless this needs to be addressed right away, and is already having an effect on and endgame that has yet to be reached for many. And yes it is worthy of an emergency patch due to the exploitation going on around it, I would not even crab about the downtime needed on a weekend no less. This effects everyone and will only magnify over time.

Please voice your opinions.

* disclaimer

I dont think this is gamebreaking so much at this time but did post on day 2 and still say it had a huge impact at that time but in the wake of the dupes it is far less game breaking but still do not think it is functioning as intended and still broke.

I run six characters each with a different crafting skill, but let me point out what I see with this post to nerf a way I have of getting the items I will want to craft for myself.

OP runs two accounts, mentions eight characters each, for a total of sixteen characters getting thirty-two RNG mail items. These have, apparently, been collecting for over a month stockpiling and creating "a leg up on almost every player out there" besides other players with stockpiles.

Liberally using the word EXPLOITING for something that OP has been doing over a month ... now wants to limit all hirelings to main character only or main profession and receive only one mail per day, not OPs, "not the game I signed up for", 32.

That this "must be addressed right away" using an "emergency patch" using a weekend of down time to patch this EXPLOITATION .

But! "I [don't] think this is [game breaking]".

I think my opinion is clear, but for those that want a quick break down ...

OP has been using and stockpiling items from thirty-two characters using two accounts in what OP claims is an EXPLOIT on multiple occasions, but the OP was more than willing to "EXPLOIT" until now, why? Now that a large enough stockpile has been accumulated there is a desire to kill the chance for others to receive those same items to create a market for those "EXPLOITED" items?

Why cut the legs out from me to limit my chances and ability of getting these needed items for my crafting by limiting that single item to only my "main" or to just one of my crafts?

Do not hurt my crafting because you have been "EXPLOITING" for over a month. I use the Hirelings for each of my eligible crafting characters, I have six to cover one of each craft, and the only "EXPLOIT" appears to be the OP and "those in the same boat" that use all the Hirelings on only one craft, not five of the six crafts.

Got to run, family visiting, and will edit most likely later.

Happy Hunting all and Have Fun!!!

Wow man, you people know no bounds. The op posted this on Day 2. So that was his evil master plan? Receive hireling items for one day, post about the exploit so it gets fixed and revel in the riches he received for one day's worth of hirelings. You guys are cracking me up now, lol.

BrassRazoo

They better not.
I just popped my last 6 skill points into Hirelings for Wood and Cloth last night.
I have not even got my first delivery yet.
I seem to be always behind all these "nerf" requests.
I still have not looted a rare motif - nerfed.
I don't farm bosses but now I am out of Grand Soul Gems - nerfed.
hirelings now? Give me a break!

Arsvita

Daverios wrote: »

For those that do not know:
The game does not drop legendary(yellow gear) it has to be upgraded using components. The best source of the components is to run 8x hireling type on 8 char's. I can do 16. Each day even though you are only lvl 3 and only get lowly mats it has a small chance to give you one of the legendary upgrade items. You get 32 chests/mail .. more if you provision.

Level 3? Character? Hireling? With the "lowly nats" I can believe it's character.

It only takes 3 Skill Points to max Hirelings. More for extractions and learning a higher grade component to level up with.

Hirelings:
Level 1/3 Blacksmithing, Tailoring, & Enchanting needs level 3 crafting.
Level 1/3 Woodworking needs level 4 crafting.
Level 1/3 Provisioning needs level 28.

Level 2/3 Blacksmithing, Tailoring, Woodworking, & Enchanting needs level 12 crafting.
Level 2/3 Provisioning needs level ?? crafting.

Level 3/3 Blacksmithing, Tailoring, Woodworking, & Enchanting needs level 32 crafting.
Level 3/3 Provisioning needs level ??

I maxed my Provisioning, but never bothered with Hirelings. This was easy due to all food stocks going to Provisioning.

This has not held true for leveling any of my other crafting skills. I trade and deconstruct items for max benefit, but using those "lowly mats" items are hardly noticeable, to maximize the "Inspiration" EXP.

Arsvita

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Wow man, you people know no bounds. The op posted this on Day 2. So that was his evil master plan? Receive hireling items for one day, post about the exploit so it gets fixed and revel in the riches he received for one day's worth of hirelings. You guys are cracking me up now, lol.

You as well.

You posted close to a half dozen times without responding to, but instead burying the quoted post. The post of which I stated I had to run and would be back to edit.
You did not however respond to the newer post just a couple overhead. Which clearly states I know about the post starting on April 2nd. :wtf:

So while I do not take things out of context, I can not say the same of so many others.

Evil Master Plan??? Catchy. Why do it if it is a self proclaimed wrong? Even if while protesting about it?
I have never received such "riches" in a day, or week even from my Hirelings.
No to the Nerf upon Hireling Skill.

Also, as I just stated above in the nether:
I have never received mail from a Hireling on any character except for the character the Hireling works for and sent it to.

Have Fun.

Laharl_Overlord

Arsvita wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Wow man, you people know no bounds. The op posted this on Day 2. So that was his evil master plan? Receive hireling items for one day, post about the exploit so it gets fixed and revel in the riches he received for one day's worth of hirelings. You guys are cracking me up now, lol.

You as well.

You posted close to a half dozen times without responding to, but instead burying the quoted post. The post of which I stated I had to run and would be back to edit.
You did not however respond to the newer post just a couple overhead. Which clearly states I know about the post starting on April 2nd. :wtf:

So while I do not take things out of context, I can not say the same of so many others.

Evil Master Plan??? Catchy. Why do it if it is a self proclaimed wrong? Even if while protesting about it?
I have never received such "riches" in a day, or week even from my Hirelings.
No to the Nerf upon Hireling Skill.

Also, as I just stated above in the nether:
I have never received mail from a Hireling on any character except for the character the Hireling works for and sent it to.

Have Fun.

I've never claimed it's a morally wrong thing to do. The reason I want this fixed is for the health of the game. MMO's are basically one big game of chase the carrot, guess what happens if you remove the carrot. If you read this whole thread you'll see I am in the minority by a large margin, although a remarkably large percentage of the people posting don't even understand what's going on. They're just flipping out because they hear the word "nerf".

"Evil master plan" is a pretty accurate phrase of you're description of the op's intentions.

The best proposals for a fix would barely even affect you. The fix would only affect people who are using this method.

- I believe they should not let 1/3 hirelings retrieve epic and legendary mats, or at least base the percentage of quality (legendary) drops on character level. So if you're leveling you're character, you remain unaffected. This would barely affect people using hirelings the way you do. It would mostly affect people with 7 unused level 3 alts with 1/3 hirelings.

- I also believe that hireling chests should be character bound. So you can't open all the chests on your main and receive the buffed bonuses.

I really don't see what's so unreasonable about these two simple things. It would kill the hireling farm, but leave people such as yourself basically untouched.

Have Fun.

Milanna

Taurus498 wrote: »

Okay, I can see that there is a bit of confusion here as there are now two different conversations going on here, due to those like @Laharl_Overlord and then recently myself hijacking this thread by pointing out that yes the current Hireling system is indeed not working as intended. As the Hireling Chests are not tied to the Character that each Hireling belongs to, and can be “exploited” so that those “in the know” can get large amounts of Rare Crafting Materials and potentially hundreds of thousands of gold per week from selling them, by using their High Level Main to open all of the chests.

But I fully disagree with the OP of this thread as he seems to be complaining about the Hireling System as it is intended to work. And that he would like it nerfed so that you can only have one of your characters per Account use the Hireling Skill, which I can’t see ever happening as it would cause a massive uproar.

But I agree that the Devs might need to nerf the Hireling Chest RNG, so that it is a bit more unlikely for your characters to receive Rare Crafting Materials from low level chests, but only if the market is being flooded with the Rare Crafting Materials and effecting the games economy in a significantly negative way.

yes, one would use the higher level character to open the chests.
Why? Because that could be the character with the craft who needs the items. And yes, that character should get items that it can use.

I certainly hope they dont nerf this. I´d say working as intended.

Is it not great how people assume your a complete idiot the moment you don´t agree with them? Not refering to you by that remark.

Milanna

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Wow man, you people know no bounds. The op posted this on Day 2. So that was his evil master plan? Receive hireling items for one day, post about the exploit so it gets fixed and revel in the riches he received for one day's worth of hirelings. You guys are cracking me up now, lol.

I find it touching how you stand up for the OP. Truly.

reggielee

I dont believe there is a higher chance for a high char to rec the epic mats. If you are always opening the chests on a high char it will seem like its dropping more. Ive recieved all my epics on low alts, and those h

Rammi

This is a non issue! I guess i can see some of the OP points. Im not against limiting emails to perhaps 2/4 emails per craft per day per account. I think going to one is a bit steep.

People forget the power of a system like this in making people log on. Yes you could argue its easy or some BS like that but the reality is everyone can do it quite easily so its not like everyone doe not have the option. It also does not take a long time commitment so is not forcing a gamestyle down someones throat.

Eris

It is still my humble opinion that the OP is asking for a nerf because he is exploiting the system and fears that others will follow his suit. Myself, I have 3 characters that I play and those three characters have tier 1 hirelings, and I just bought tier 2 on one character's woodworking.

I don't feel that I am exploiting anything, I certainly don't feel it is game breaking (a term which I feel is generally not used properly - like here), I feel it's just right. Most players probably don't feel the need to have 16 characters to manipulate the system, just a select few.

Those few are also completely willing to manipulate the system (2 accounts of 8 characters) but then complain that it can be manipulated. Then people like me complain, hey you're manipulating the system not us, so why is it we should have to pay for your abuse of the system.

Again, just my opinion.

Laharl_Overlord

Milanna wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Wow man, you people know no bounds. The op posted this on Day 2. So that was his evil master plan? Receive hireling items for one day, post about the exploit so it gets fixed and revel in the riches he received for one day's worth of hirelings. You guys are cracking me up now, lol.

I find it touching how you stand up for the OP. Truly.

The op can stand up for himself, he's been doing just fine. But I'm not a fan of bullying and false accusations. Obviously you are since you claimed the same exact thing as Arsvita.

"I have followed a few discussions on these forums and I see a pattern.
Someone finds an "exploit". They use it.
When they have hoarded a lot of mats they see a lot of other people using the same mechanics to their advantage. That´s when they call for a nerf."

He makes the post on day 2 of the game, and you imply he's hoarded lots of mats and that he now wants to keep others from doing the same.

He reported an issue he felt the game had and you guys are bullying him with false accusations. You said to me "I simply don't share your view and values". Well you're finally right about something.

SadisticSavior

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I think OP drastically overestimates the probability of Legendary drops from hirelings. Or even (in my experience so far) not-worthless drops.

So far I have gotten a total of two (2) since launch.

Not a lot I can do with them. They sell for a decent amount (Seen one of them going for 3.5k in chat) but I won't have nearly enough to reliably craft with them.

Eris

I just save any of the cool upgrade items for when I'm high level. By the time I get there (at my rate of advancement) that will probably be VR18 or so. By that time (probably 2015) I should have enough to have 1-2 gold items and a some purples. Just an estimate based on the drop rate that I've seen.

Also, I can't log in to the game every single day, so that also reduces the gain rate. I guess the OP has enough time to log into 18 characters every day too. Including wait time for mail, gathering, opening all the boxes, putting items away (assuming he doesn't also loot everything in a room as well with each of the 18 characters), reclogging to another account, etc., that's probably about 30-45 minutes a day as well. Of course he could probably script it and make it happen faster, but then he's botting and that would be baaaad.

huntgod_ESO

I get 24 bags a day, I average 6-9 gold upgrades. Oddly enough, they are never in the 3 bags from my high level/high craft skill main. The bags from him come in earlier than the others, I never get gold upgrades from those three, they are always in the other 21.

Laharl_Overlord

Milanna wrote: »

@Laharl_Overlord

Bullying? False accusations?
That´s dramatic. You could win an Oscar. Seriously. You almost have me convinced.

I have not said that this is what the OP does. Have I? I have merely stated I have noticed this pattern in discussions in the forums. If someone takes offence, I wonder why.

If the comment wasn't direct at this thread, why post it in this thread? Come on, your implication is quite obvious.

Basically, you came into the thread not knowing what was going on and backed a person who's had incorrect information since he entered thread. You tried to refute information already confirmed as factual. When that was busted you must've felt a little stupid, so you stopped talking about the topic and started resorting to personal attacks. Now, with your "I find it touching how you stand up for the OP. Truly.", you're simply trolling.

Milanna

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Milanna wrote: »

@Laharl_Overlord

Bullying? False accusations?
That´s dramatic. You could win an Oscar. Seriously. You almost have me convinced.

I have not said that this is what the OP does. Have I? I have merely stated I have noticed this pattern in discussions in the forums. If someone takes offence, I wonder why.

If the comment wasn't direct at this thread, why post it in this thread? Come on, your implication is quite obvious.

Basically, you came into the thread not knowing what was going on and backed a person who's had incorrect information since he entered thread. You tried to refute information already confirmed as factual. When that was busted you must've felt a little stupid, so you stopped talking about the topic and started resorting to personal attacks.

For the record. Personal attacks?
Not being naive is not the same thing as bullying or making false accusations.

A false accusation kind of requires an acctual accusation.

Laharl_Overlord

I'm talking about your implications of people in this thread trying to hoard items first, then get it nerfed so we lock people out of having the items.

It's simply an issue of us seeing something we feel isn't functioning properly. If your opinion is that it is functioning properly, fine, we can discuss opinions. But questioning our morality does nothing but start arguments.

IronbarSinister