GAMEBREAKING: Please nerf hirelings ASAP, or get rid of them altogether.

Krym

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Actually, what demonlkojipub is saying is correct, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at @Krym

see http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/667567/#Comment_667567

the only thing changing is the level of ore/cloth/wood, some provisioning items and potency runes. besides potency runes - which you don't get every time - who really cares about any of that?

unless of course someone at zos programmed the bonus to apply when opening the boxes, not on the boxes itself. but who would be that stupid?

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

This is what people do with this exploit...

Gives RMT another thing to sell and spam me with. "It takes so long to do this" isn't even true, and certainly not an issue to these people.

they sell what makes money, cause their business is selling money. more people with access to legendary tempers = lower prices across the board & less sales = less money for the goldsellers.
and they can always move to motifs or other rare high priced items...

Laharl_Overlord

Krym wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Actually, what demonlkojipub is saying is correct, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at @Krym

see http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/667567/#Comment_667567

the only thing changing is the level of ore/cloth/wood, some provisioning items and potency runes. besides potency runes - which you don't get every time - who really cares about any of that?

unless of course someone at zos programmed the bonus to apply when opening the boxes, not on the boxes itself. but who would be that stupid?

It's applied when opening the boxes by the character who opens the boxes. What do you think part of the reason this thread is for? Hirelings are broken.

kyleacadub17_ESO

I spent a good 30 mins on the phone with ESO last night. This is not an exploit this is how the game works. They may nerf it at one point, but it is not a bug exploit. It is a game mechanic

Krym

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

It's applied when opening the boxes by the character who opens the boxes. What do you think part of the reason this thread is for? Hirelings are broken.

broken means non-working, nor is it gamebreaking as the title implies. and the thread is the usual mix with an extra shot of blowing things out of proportion and whining you get on every forum. we simply have no idea how the loot mechanism exactly works, people assume it's higher by a very very small sample data without any proof the numbers aren't what zos sees as acceptable. while we play the assumption-game, we can also assume it's not that big of a deal for them if a change hasn't even been mentioned in the pts notes - unless they plan to hotfix it between now and 1.1.

what's left is a discussion how it should and shouldn't work, which doesn't lead anywhere until we see zos make it's move.

Greeniewolfub17_ESO

reggielee wrote: »

my alts have to level in order to gain the hierlings, this takes time per alt. So far at lvl 8ish I have only one hierling per alt. To get more hierlings I will have to grind out some more skill points which will take more time. time away from my main, time away from crafting, time away from story lines, pvp, adventuring and fun. I do this as an investment as it seems like a good long term one. Ya know... like a good mmo char advancement game should be.

In the meantime, I have to log in exactly on time in order to collect the mail for the timer to reset and not lose hrs. Of course this is impossible to do so in essence I lose my so called tool tipped skill that said its on a 24hr timer, not based on mail retrieval time nor server down time. I have lost many hireling rewards due to this.

game breaking? not. even. close. remember, this is just for a CHANCE for an upgrade component. I think on 5 alts I have gotten maybe 5 upgrades and one epic. with all the cheaters in this game who got away with dupeing, running resource bots, camping dungeons, exp exploiters you gonna screech about those who work alts legitimately???

get a grip

I think this sums it up nicely.

Laharl_Overlord

Krym wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

It's applied when opening the boxes by the character who opens the boxes. What do you think part of the reason this thread is for? Hirelings are broken.

broken means non-working, nor is it gamebreaking as the title implies. and the thread is the usual mix with an extra shot of blowing things out of proportion and whining you get on every forum. we simply have no idea how the loot mechanism exactly works, people assume it's higher by a very very small sample data without any proof the numbers aren't what zos sees as acceptable. while we play the assumption-game, we can also assume it's not that big of a deal for them if a change hasn't even been mentioned in the pts notes - unless they plan to hotfix it between now and 1.1.

what's left is a discussion how it should and shouldn't work, which doesn't lead anywhere until we see zos make it's move.

You have been very uninformed this entire thread, as are the majority of posters in the thread (see the post before this with the grossly uninformed quote by @reggielee‌ and @Greeniewolfub17_ESO‌ saying "I think this sums it up nicely" lol). Anyone who has been doing this knows the loot is calculated by the character opening the bags, not the character who's hirelings created the bags. You log in to collect all the mail on your alts, then open the mail on your main = get loot tables suited to the main.

As I said before, "game-breaking" is not the term I'd use. But to think hirelings are functioning properly is naive.

Elsonso

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Anyone who has been doing this knows the loot is calculated by the character opening the bags, not the character who's hirelings created the bags. You log in to collect all the mail on your alts, then open the mail on your main = get loot tables suited to the main.

There is only one character in the game, and it is the @player. You may have up to 8 vestiges, but they are all you, @player. Banks assume this. Mail assumes this. Guilds assume this. The future auction house will assume this. It is the absolute core of the game.

Hirelings are working as designed because there is really only one character in the game and they all work for @player.

Once you realize that it is only @player that matters, I have to ask you why you would bother opening the hireling mail from any vestige that would get you less than what you deserve.

Hmm, I may have let on that I really hate this @player concept.

Laharl_Overlord

lordrichter wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Anyone who has been doing this knows the loot is calculated by the character opening the bags, not the character who's hirelings created the bags. You log in to collect all the mail on your alts, then open the mail on your main = get loot tables suited to the main.

There is only one character in the game, and it is the @player. You may have up to 8 vestiges, but they are all you, @player. Banks assume this. Mail assumes this. Guilds assume this. The future auction house will assume this. It is the absolute core of the game.

Hirelings are working as designed because there is really only one character in the game and they all work for @player.

Once you realize that it is only @player that matters, I have to ask you why you would bother opening the hireling mail from any vestige that would get you less than what you deserve.

Hmm, I may have let on that I really hate this @player concept.

Very flawed argument... Why does one deserve to get level 50, 3/3 hireling loot x8 when they only have one character at that level? Seven hirelings are working for level 3, 1/3 hireling characters. "Deserve"? lol, talk about entitlement.

So you believe all characters under one owner should be able to share the hireling bonus of whichever character has the best bonuses. This is the core of the game? Then why aren't other skills working the same? By your logic all characters should then "deserve" to be able to craft whatever the main can craft. Or receive whatever weapon/skill bonuses the main receives.

This a workaround of the system, simple as that.

Emperor

Well if it wasn't gamebreaking before, it certainly is now since you told over 20,000 people how to abuse hirelings.

Daverios

That moment when ....

You get unbanned from the forums and come back to see your discussion is the single post on the entire forums with the most views and replies. I checked.

/facepalm.

Glad to see people finally catching on. Sad to see a few still don't and seem to object to reading before hittibg reply.

huntgod_ESO

Welcome back?

Aria

Instead of worrying about the honest players that may prefer to craft and have a few hirelings to assist them, lets first get rid of all the exploiters, dupers and bots then we can see if there is still a issue with the (supposed) op hirelings?

Daverios

Emperor wrote: »

you told over 20,000 people how to abuse hirelings.

Its not MY fault Pacrooti never brings back enough and I have to hit him with a rolled up newspaper! bad kitty!

Elsonso

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Once you realize that it is only @player that matters, I have to ask you why you would bother opening the hireling mail from any vestige that would get you less than what you deserve.

Very flawed argument...

So you believe all characters under one owner should be able to share the hireling bonus of whichever character has the best bonuses. This is the core of the game? Then why aren't other skills working the same? By your logic all characters should then "deserve" to be able to craft whatever the main can craft. Or receive whatever weapon/skill bonuses the main receives

It does not matter what I believe because this is the way that they have designed the game.

You are free to run around as you please with any individual vestige and collect achievements, skills, experience, and loot. However, we are all expected to interface with the core @player structures; bank, guild, mail, and chat. We are not intended to play in isolation from these things.

The hirelings are earned by @player through a vestige and work for @player because they use the mail system. Opening those containers using any vestige that does not give the maximum benefit does nothing but short change you.

Laharl_Overlord

lordrichter wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Once you realize that it is only @player that matters, I have to ask you why you would bother opening the hireling mail from any vestige that would get you less than what you deserve.

Very flawed argument...

So you believe all characters under one owner should be able to share the hireling bonus of whichever character has the best bonuses. This is the core of the game? Then why aren't other skills working the same? By your logic all characters should then "deserve" to be able to craft whatever the main can craft. Or receive whatever weapon/skill bonuses the main receives

It does not matter what I believe because this is the way that they have designed the game.

More horrible logic. By your logic, since they designed the game to have duplicate exploits, we apparently deserve to have infinity of any item? What's going on here is a flaw in the system, not intentional design. It was simply overlooked by the devs.

lordrichter wrote: »

You are free to run around as you please with any individual vestige and collect achievements, skills, experience, and loot. However, we are all expected to interface with the core @player structures; bank, guild, mail, and chat. We are not intended to play in isolation from these things.

Well that was a lot of rhetoric...

lordrichter wrote: »

The hirelings are earned by @player through a vestige and work for @player because they use the mail system.

This one is simple to bust. If hirelings were designed to work for @player and not the characters then why isn't there simply a master hireling skill line to cover all characters, instead of each character getting their own hireling skills? Not to mention you only get the mail when you log in on the character with the hireling. You don't get all the hireling mail when you log in on any character under the @player.

lordrichter wrote: »

Opening those containers using any vestige that does not give the maximum benefit does nothing but short change you.

You're not informing me of anything here...

Taid

nvm

ZOS_JasonI

Hey there, everyone. We appreciate you taking the time to report potential exploits, however we have removed the video as we do not want to bring attention to such videos. We are currently investigating. In the future, if you encounter a potential exploit, we ask that you use the reported posts function or contact our Support Team. Thank you for your understanding.

sociald100ub17_ESO

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

Taurus498

ZOS_JasonL wrote: »

Hey there, everyone. We appreciate you taking the time to report potential exploits, however we have removed the video as we do not want to bring attention to such videos. We are currently investigating. In the future, if you encounter a potential exploit, we ask that you use the reported posts function or contact our Support Team. Thank you for your understanding.

I'm glad to see that the devs are now looking into this rather obvious exploit.

Taid

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

sociald100ub17_ESO

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

correction.. it means everyone can have a ridiculous amount of gold every day so its not imbalanced and therefore doesn't deserve wasting outrage over when there are far more pressing issues to fix.

Taid

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

correction.. it means everyone can have a ridiculous amount of gold every day so its not imbalanced and therefore doesn't deserve wasting outrage over when there are far more pressing issues to fix.

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"Sir, we dont need to take care about Iceberg's, its far more important that our fridge can cool the beer ASAP"

sociald100ub17_ESO

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

Taid wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. worrying about hirelings , which everyone can have the same of and use the same, instead of focusing on things that are not functional or are out of balance between classes and players... ahh well

yeah you right, it jsut means you can have an ridiculous amount of potential gold every day... no big deal. I mean the economy is noexistent in this game anyway right, so who cares if everyone has more epic and legendary craftingmats then he need, you dont even need to sell them, you have enough for you own, everything is fine. gg nice game... are you serious?

correction.. it means everyone can have a ridiculous amount of gold every day so its not imbalanced and therefore doesn't deserve wasting outrage over when there are far more pressing issues to fix.

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"Sir, we dont need to take care about Iceberg's, its far more important that our fridge can cool the beer ASAP"

lol you actually bothered to embed an image into a reply and refer to this as an ICEBERG? more like a snowcone. people and their rabid indignation over the things that matter little and their disregard for the things that are really pressing... what do ya do.

SunfireKnight86

@ZOS_JasonL‌

Is this an exploit? Is it considered to be like duping? Will players be banned for it's use?

Daverios

ZOS_JasonL wrote: »

Hey there, everyone. We appreciate you taking the time to report potential exploits, however we have removed the video as we do not want to bring attention to such videos. We are currently investigating. In the future, if you encounter a potential exploit, we ask that you use the reported posts function or contact our Support Team. Thank you for your understanding.

Posted this on day 2 (April 5th)

Btw just my clothing got 10 druegh wax and like 14 elegent lining today not to mention a bunch of blue / green tasties.

Never paid a cent for any mat since launch and always have free crafted and upgraded gear at lvl.

Trivializing gearing.

Daverios

Dbl

nez

lol that guy
i got three accounts and i farm 'em even faster so bleh

Daverios

nez wrote: »

lol that guy
i got three accounts and i farm 'em even faster so bleh

And the bots have hundreds

SunfireKnight86

Having multiple accounts wouldn't make this worse unless every account had someone at 3/3 in every hireling. (Which is unlikely a month in)

madfeldoreb17_ESO

Daverios wrote: »

Maestro_Sartori wrote: »

So nobody knows what Hirelings are?

Its a skill you invest into in the craft skills that opens up at lvl 3 in that craft. it returns you a random goodie bag for that craft every day with small chance at uber loot which is what the problem is. That small chance of uber loot should require you to put in effort first and level the craft and not just mindlessly farm, but it does not.

If you are not legitimately exploiting this you should or you will fall behind others that are.

I fail to see the logic behind ".. or you will fall behind others...". Hmm, is this a race of some kind? To be honest, not to me. Well, I guess we all play it differently and have different ideas of how to have fun in the game.
Cheers...

PS. I like the stories the Hirelings are writing:)