GAMEBREAKING: Please nerf hirelings ASAP, or get rid of them altogether.

Pizza_Magician

It sounds like ZENI should have limited the number of alts you can create per account, that way they could have charged those who wish to pursue the bot crafting line.

SadisticSavior

Pizza_Magician wrote: »

It sounds like ZENI should have limited the number of alts you can create per account, that way they could have charged those who wish to pursue the bot crafting line.

Um...they did. You are limited to 7 alts on your account.

Aria

@‌ Daverios

Well you are quite lucky then been here since 5 day early access and I have .. 2 druegh wax , 3 elegant lining and 2 of the yellow runes?

I only have hirelings on my characters that are actually crafting and I do not sell any rare mats ..so trust me when I say never felt my gear when I can craft something nice by nice I mean even a green set does not feel trivial to me.
Also I have only seen around 5 rare mats ever from the 4 hirelings I have...just wanted to toss that out there.

But now it appears all the people that complained may have gotten their wish, since yesterday I have seen a drastic reduction in rares from refining and deconstruction.


So instead of taking care of all the duped materials and so forth you have only succeeded in making is less enjoyable for honest crafters ...who will struggle to make even the basic upgraded gear now.

Thanks

Laharl_Overlord

Aria wrote: »

@‌ Daverios

Well you are quite lucky then been here since 5 day early access and I have .. 2 druegh wax , 3 elegant lining and 2 of the yellow runes?

I only have hirelings on my characters that are actually crafting and I do not sell any rare mats ..so trust me when I say never felt my gear when I can craft something nice by nice I mean even a green set does not feel trivial to me.

This doesn't mean he's luckier than you. He's been playing the numbers, you haven't.

Aria wrote: »

But now it appears all the people that complained may have gotten their wish, since yesterday I have seen a drastic reduction in rares from refining and deconstruction.

There was a patch? Either way, no one in this thread asked for a decrease in rates from refining and deconstruction. That would only make the hireling that much more op.

Aria wrote: »

So instead of taking care of all the duped materials and so forth you have only succeeded in making is less enjoyable for honest crafters ...who will struggle to make even the basic upgraded gear now.

Thanks

Pretty sure you haven't been nerfed. "

RazzPitazz

My opinion from a user POV; you have all the mats you need to make high level gear from playing wheel of hirling, so all you need now are the traits, the stones to go with them, a character with enough lvl and skill points to make it (all of it), the right glyphs, and access to a set site for the set bonuses (I assume we will be making sets of armor). I do believe that this can be done but this process is far from simple. If an individual has the time and money to get this done then take my gold and craft for me.

Laharl_Overlord

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

My opinion from a user POV; you have all the mats you need to make high level gear from playing wheel of hirling, so all you need now are the traits, the stones to go with them, a character with enough lvl and skill points to make it (all of it), the right glyphs, and access to a set site for the set bonuses (I assume we will be making sets of armor). I do believe that this can be done but this process is far from simple. If an individual has the time and money to get this done then take my gold and craft for me.

@rajaniemiorama_ESO‌ It took me about 20 minutes to set it up initially a few weeks ago. It takes about 5 minutes per day to collect and open the mail.

Taurus498

Milanna wrote: »

yes, one would use the higher level character to open the chests.
Why? Because that could be the character with the craft who needs the items. And yes, that character should get items that it can use.

I certainly hope they dont nerf this. I´d say working as intended.

Is it not great how people assume your a complete idiot the moment you don´t agree with them? Not refering to you by that remark.

Yes I agree with you that it’s great that people assume that others are idiots here on the forum, and I encourage everyone to think this way, as that is the number one rule to all forums to assume first the no one truly knows what the hell they are talking about, unless they can show valid proof for their stance on any given topic. It’s always best to assume ignorance than malevolent intent or else the discussion just descends into unconstructive flaming....

As you can see from my earlier post in this thread I was able to show empirical evidence in a video that shows there is currently an “exploit” in the Hireling System, demonstrating how super easy it is to acquire around 322,000 worth of gold from Hireling Crafting Materials in 1 week, and that it is most likely not supposed to be working this way. And that’s why one of the Forum Admins removed this video, as they also believe that there is most likely an “exploit” in the Hireling System.

SunfireKnight86

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

I'm talking about your implications of people in this thread trying to hoard items first, then get it nerfed so we lock people out of having the items.

It's simply an issue of us seeing something we feel isn't functioning properly. If your opinion is that it is functioning properly, fine, we can discuss opinions. But questioning our morality does nothing but start arguments.

Even if they ran three accounts with this bug they wouldn't have the thousands of items you make them out to have. Your hysterics don't do anything for the discourse.

I've been pushing crafting hard since day one, and I had enough gold from normal hirelings/decon to make 7 gold VR10 items this week. I still don't have enough traits to make the 8 trait set. After a month of pushing it and staying on top of it I still can't craft the absolute top tier stuff. (8 trait) That can't be cheated. After a month of playing a minimum of 6 hours a day I STILL can't make myself a full set of awesome gear, let alone anyone else. I used the mechanic as intended.

Let's assume that someone who has used this exploit since day one has 16 times what I do. (Assuming they have two accounts) That is a pretty big boost, but it still isn't "They have thousands of gold materials." They have enough to sell and make a tidy profit, or make enough gear for a few friends. Since gold and gear are less important at the top of this game I fail to see how that gives anyone the massive PvP/PvE advantage being implied here. What could you do with a full set of gold gear at VR10 that you couldn't in blue? Nothing, that's what. It's not fair, I agree. It sucks, I know. Given how harshly Zeni dealt with dupers I wouldn't envy them just yet though.

I fail to see how this is as game breaking as some people are making it sound. Fix the bug, leave the rest as is. The mechanic itself is fine.

I agree, the mail bug needs to be fixed. We all know about it now, and since Zeni has commented on this thread I'm sure they do as well.

Laharl_Overlord

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

I'm talking about your implications of people in this thread trying to hoard items first, then get it nerfed so we lock people out of having the items.

It's simply an issue of us seeing something we feel isn't functioning properly. If your opinion is that it is functioning properly, fine, we can discuss opinions. But questioning our morality does nothing but start arguments.

Even if they ran three accounts with this bug they wouldn't have the thousands of items you make them out to have. Your hysterics don't do anything for the discourse.

I've been pushing crafting hard since day one, and I had enough gold from normal hirelings/decon to make 7 gold VR10 items this week. I still don't have enough traits to make the 8 trait set. After a month of pushing it and staying on top of it I still can't craft the absolute top tier stuff. (8 trait) That can't be cheated. After a month of playing a minimum of 6 hours a day I STILL can't make myself a full set of awesome gear, let alone anyone else. I used the mechanic as intended.

Let's assume that someone who has used this exploit since day one has 16 times what I do. (Assuming they have two accounts) That is a pretty big boost, but it still isn't "They have thousands of gold materials." They have enough to sell and make a tidy profit, or make enough gear for a few friends. Since gold and gear are less important at the top of this game I fail to see how that gives anyone the massive PvP/PvE advantage being implied here. What could you do with a full set of gold gear at VR10 that you couldn't in blue? Nothing, that's what.

I fail to see how this is as game breaking as some people are making it sound. Fix the bug, leave the rest as is. The mechanic itself is fine.

I agree, the mail bug needs to be fixed. We all know about it now, and since Zeni has commented on this thread I'm sure they do as well.

My hysterics? I'll say it yet again, I personally never said "game breaking". I've said the use of hirelings in this fashion is op. When a video is posted that shows a guy getting items worth 90,000 gold from 2 days of hirelings and ZOS removes it from the forum, then it seems I'm not the only one that feels that way.

SunfireKnight86

No, you're not. Anybody who thinks it's working as intended is flat out wrong.

I wonder if they are gonna drop the ban hammer for this one.

blackwolf7

They already fixed this

Laharl_Overlord

blackwolf7 wrote: »

They already fixed this

@blackwolf7, no they didn't.

Uviryth

Tandor wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Crafting in an MMO must be able to grant the best items in the game, else it has no use.

Other than for those who craft because they enjoy it, just as some play these games for enjoyment rather than "achievement".

Achievement is enjoyment.

Milanna

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

No, you're not. Anybody who thinks it's working as intended is flat out wrong.

I wonder if they are gonna drop the ban hammer for this one.

Yes, let´s ban people for playing the game.

Putting skillpoints in skills and picking up mail. Bannable?
Considering the measly 4 legenday items it has gotten me it would seem strange.

I haven´t seen the video in question, and since it has been removed maybe that is not so surprising, but I don´t think there are too many players who acctually did this to that extent.

I´m still at mid level, probably why my rewards from hierling mails are so modest.

SunfireKnight86

There is a big difference between doing it a few times by accident and doing it 2 times every day on 1 or 2 accounts. You are aware that they have logs of everything they do in this game right?

Milanna

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

There is a big difference between doing it a few times by accident and doing it 2 times every day on 1 or 2 accounts. You are aware that they have logs of everything they do in this game right?

What´s your point? I hope they have logs, it would make it easier if somehing was to go pooof.

I have off course opened all the hierling mail that I get. And often with one and the same character. Becasue it is easier. Once a day, ALL my mail.

edit: and by one character I mean one character opens blacksmithing mail, one opens clothier mail and so on. So they can craft effectivley.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

The only way this puts any player at an advantage is if they have more then one account, but guess what? Having more then one account has always put players at an advantage! Ever play wow and have to deal with a multiboxer? Its not fair to us single account people, but its just the way the world works. Im completely fine with only getting what my account entitles me to and it does not bother me in the slightest that there is people with more then one account. I wouldnt need that many crafting mats anyways! Im only running 3 characters with hireling and I still have enough to make what I need so who cares?

Legend gear in this game is not supposed to be rare like in wow so its fine.

Laharl_Overlord

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

The only way this puts any player at an advantage is if they have more then one account, but guess what? Having more then one account has always put players at an advantage! Ever play wow and have to deal with a multiboxer? Its not fair to us single account people, but its just the way the world works. Im completely fine with only getting what my account entitles me to and it does not bother me in the slightest that there is people with more then one account. I wouldnt need that many crafting mats anyways! Im only running 3 characters with hireling and I still have enough to make what I need so who cares?

Legend gear in this game is not supposed to be rare like in wow so its fine.

@xxslam48xxb14_ESO‌, actually anyone who uses the method has an advantage over someone that doesn't. If they have 2 accounts, it's just that much more of an advantage.

The video of the guy who made 90,000 gold worth of items in 2 days from this only used in account.

redwoodtreesprite

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

The video of the guy who made 90,000 gold worth of items in 2 days from this only used in account.

I am sure that video was of that mail cheat thing, not of someone with one account who gets basic hirelings for each character.

Laharl_Overlord

redwoodtreesprite wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

The video of the guy who made 90,000 gold worth of items in 2 days from this only used in account.

I am sure that video was of that mail cheat thing, not of someone with one account who gets basic hirelings for each character.

@redwoodtreesprite, the video depicts what this very thread is talking about. It's a guy with one account using hirelings in the fashion this thread is discussing.

7788b14_ESO

The guys running 16 characters. Stuff like this just kills it for regular players.

redwoodtreesprite

So because some players are spending/wasting lots of sub time with doing the hireling bit, all the rest of us should be punished by hirelings getting nerfed to where we get nothing of value at all from them? And 90,000 gold is relative. If some buyers are willing to pay silly amounts of money for some craft mats, let them.

Lets be realistic. If they do anything to nerf hirelings, it will result in us getting a pittance of basic mats and very low chance of getting any mats to upgrade gear. I predicted this sort of thing when some complained rabidly about motif farming, and it happened. Now almost all empty containers and tons of lockpicks. So now those who have lots of those expensive mats by either using cheat exploits, or by playing the game just to farm hirelings want hirelings nerfed. Wow, I wonder why????

reggielee

i dont think they nerfed heirlings, only fixed the dupping cheat and made the boxes bound to char so you cant send them to your main to open. bravo! now put all the arsehats that cheated back to the starter zone with empty banks.

redwoodtreesprite

Ah but they will soon I fear, with all the noise a very few vocal players are making. Remember, they use a sledgehammer approach.

Expect many many unhappy crafters demanding skill point refunds in the near future. And I am not referring to those who have lots of rare stuff to post. I am referring to the majority of crafters.

timur.dosrwb17_ESO

Why do you care what other people have? How does it affect you? I have 1 main character VR5 and an alt lvl7 (with no hirelings), but I don't care if anyone uses 8 alts to gather mats. Because you know... only 8 trait sets matter, not their grade.

I would even say I wish more people would do it, so the market is flooded with cheap crafting boosters. WTS [Tempering alloy] 200g each anyone?

About the money they make - and they are going to do what with it exactly? Buy a horse? Repair their gear? Respecc? And don't say 'economy', this game doesn't have it.

IronMaiden_burnout

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

No, you're not. Anybody who thinks it's working as intended is flat out wrong.

I wonder if they are gonna drop the ban hammer for this one.

Its not wrong we need to put out points to do it that's our choice live with it or make an alt and spend points to gimp it yourself.

Daverios

IronMaiden_burnout wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

No, you're not. Anybody who thinks it's working as intended is flat out wrong.

I wonder if they are gonna drop the ban hammer for this one.

Its not wrong we need to put out points to do it that's our choice live with it or make an alt and spend points to gimp it yourself.

How is collecting free legendaries on a character slot you would not use for play amount to 'gimping once's self'?

I think this issue went right over your head man. *whooosh* Step back slowly and if you wish reread and then come back.

Epsilon_Echo

I am assume most of you are low level (VR1 or lower). Let me explain: I was aware of the hireling spam theory at launch and immediately made alts and put hirelings on all of them. From launch to this day, I have received 16 tempering alloys via mail. Once I started getting them I was excited and thought I was really clever.

Now I am VR10. Two days ago I started seriously farming Void stone nodes in my VR9 zone. Since I started farming them I have received 6 tempering alloys via the refinement process.

6 in 48 hours VS 16 in 720 hours. See that? Mail is a SUPPLEMENT to the most effective way of getting mats which is getting out in the world and collecting resources. Mail also gives the ability to plays who don't play as often as me a chance to get Legendary items before endgame to help them on their journey.

On a related not it takes 8 tempering allows to give you a 100% shot at a legendary item (more if you don't have all the crafting perks yet). So 30 days of hireling spam = 2 legendary items?

Non-issue.

Arsvita

I would like to say, yet again, what I have noticed with my Hirelings:

When I log onto my Blacksmith I receive a mail from her Hireling for her craft, nothing else.

When I log onto my Tailor I receive a mail from her Hireling for her craft, nothing else.

When I log onto my Woodworker I receive a mail from her Hireling for her craft, nothing else.

When I log onto my Enchanter I receive a mail from her Hireling for her craft, nothing else.

When I log onto my Provisioner I receive a mail from her Hireling for her craft, nothing else.

I only get mail from my Hirelings for the crafter that Hireling "belongs" to.

I can not open any other crafters mail from Hirelings with any single character.

[edit here] I get most of my materials strictly form working my craft using refining of raw materials and deconstruction.

Daverios

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

I am assume most of you are low level (VR1 or lower). Let me explain: I was aware of the hireling spam theory at launch and immediately made alts and put hirelings on all of them. From launch to this day, I have received 16 tempering alloys via mail. Once I started getting them I was excited and thought I was really clever.

Now I am VR10. Two days ago I started seriously farming Void stone nodes in my VR9 zone. Since I started farming them I have received 6 tempering alloys via the refinement process. I have gotten up to 4 Legendaries in a single box opening 9 chests a day on my 3/3 toon, though it is not common maybe every 2-4 days it happens.

6 in 48 hours VS 16 in 720 hours. See that? Mail is a SUPPLEMENT to the most effective way of getting mats which is getting out in the world and collecting resources. Mail also gives the ability to plays who don't play as often as me a chance to get Legendary items before endgame to help them on their journey.

On a related not it takes 8 tempering allows to give you a 100% shot at a legendary item (more if you don't have all the crafting perks yet). So 30 days of hireling spam = 2 legendary items?

Non-issue.

I got 6 Tempering Alloy[3/8 boxes each contained 2] (Hireling 3/3) yesterday on my Primary account. And another 1 on my alt account(Hireling 1/3) yesterday in one day in 24 HOURS.

If you only got 16 since launch than you are doing it wrong, or only hit 3/3 smiting hiring like an hour ago. You are likley opening the chest on the WRONG toon. You do not open on your alt ONLY your main.

I got more than you and put in nil effort =/ As with most things if life, if you are putting in the most effort (harvesting for 6 hours) it is FAR FAR FAR from the most efficient.

I may only be V1 but have a much firmer grasp on the gain in crafting mats than you.



I am more worried you are v10 though and have 6 hours to straight up harvest .... someone here is more adverse to the sun than a Vampire.