GAMEBREAKING: Please nerf hirelings ASAP, or get rid of them altogether.

IronbarSinister

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

It takes like 15 minutes to create 7 alts with 3 hirelings each. Then sit back as the mats come in. I've got 3 epics and 5 legendaries this week, for 15 minutes of work I did at the start of the game.

15 minutes is an exaggeration.

It took me like 2 hours & a 12 pack of beer.

deadcow92ub17_ESO

It would be better if the RNG would be affected by the character's level. Example the higher the level the better the chance the legendary pieces would come in the mail from the hirelings. This would force people wanting to do this to at least level their characters. Problem solved.

Harming

I actually get a decent amount of legendary upgrades with my hirelings at 3/3 and crafting at level 50. Sometimes even 2 in one bag. I think if you put in the time to level it it'll about even out to having ton of low level hirelings.
Just my opinion though. All I have to go off of is my own experience.
~Harming

poodlemasterb16_ESO

The only reason I use em' is because some improvers are very hard to find. Mats are easy to acquire, and you don't usually get many anyway.

It's true if I don't play for a week there will be quite a lot of stuff in my mail.

Krym

Daverios wrote: »

You are doing hireling WRONG if you have not got a legendary. DO you have all toons on your account loaded up with all hireling getting 30+ mails a day to open? If not I suggest you go back to beginning of thread and read slowly this time.

wat

on lvl3 you got 3 SP which is just enough for ONE hireling, if every char on the account does that that's 7 mails + the ones from your main char.

again, stop posting bullsh*t numbers.

Krym

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

What do you mean what loot would that affect? It would affect the loot non-upgraded hirelings give...

improvement items have no requirement, you can you use them on any crafting level. hence it makes no difference on what crafting or character level you open the boxes for the improvement items. the only crafts where it's relevant is enchanting and provisioning because potency runes do have a level requirement (which is offset by aspect improvement) as have provisioning ingredients. but who puts SP into provisioning hirelings? in any case it probably follows enchanting regarding mechanics.

higher char/craft level does not improve the odds of getting a better improvement item, that solely depends on the hireling level (if it works like described).

however, the enchanting box does not check the aspect improvement level (which controls what quality of aspect runes you can use) but does check the potency improvement level (to know what potency runes to give you), which means you can get kuta runes - the legendaries - on a lvl 3 char. the only fishy part is where you can "abuse" the lowlvl hireling with a higlvl enchanter to get higher lvl potency runes, but still doesn't change anything regarding aspect runes.
one fix would be to have the enchanting box check the aspect improvement level too, although that might lead to lower aspect runes if not properly implemented.

yes, ores and wood etc are dependent on crafting level too and the boxes probably work similar to the enchanting box & potency runes, but who cares about 3-4 higher lvl ores....

necronomniconb14_ESO

Spacemonkey wrote: »

I think simply having the hireling return the 'mail lottery' once per day per ACCOUNT and not character would be ok, or have it based on in game time played and not actual days. Either way ti suddenly becomes incrediby less profitable and exploitable, and wont change much for people simply playing the game normally.

encouraging people to bot or do something like setting a rubberband around right stick (I'm using a 360 pad with a custom profile, yes it works great) to keep themselves from logging out while they're gone is fine. That is exactly what I would do if that asinine idea was used and it counted hours played lol. how would you enjoy the laggy servers and inability to log in sometimes if people were encouraged to set up simple ways to remain online while AFK? just make some hirelings yourself and get over it, or accept that you either placed your skill points elsewhere or were too lazy to make a couple alts.

SCSA

Agreed, but the fastest way to get them alloys (for example) is by refining bulk ore. Not by hirelings, not even close.

knaveofengland

you also forgot to include imperial has luck if you have played all the whole series you know it all helps

Daverios

IronbarSinister wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

It takes like 15 minutes to create 7 alts with 3 hirelings each. Then sit back as the mats come in. I've got 3 epics and 5 legendaries this week, for 15 minutes of work I did at the start of the game.

15 minutes is an exaggeration.

It took me like 2 hours & a 12 pack of beer.

Lol, true enough it did only take 15 mins because I had the items I needed to DE to lvl 3 saved in mail waiting from playing my regular toon(did not bother running around for the books). But I wager that case of beer still slowed you down a bit haha and coulda been done a lil quicker than that.

Laharl_Overlord

IronbarSinister wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

It takes like 15 minutes to create 7 alts with 3 hirelings each. Then sit back as the mats come in. I've got 3 epics and 5 legendaries this week, for 15 minutes of work I did at the start of the game.

15 minutes is an exaggeration.

It took me like 2 hours & a 12 pack of beer.

I already had the decon mats in the bank. People get those mats at different rates so I didn't quantify that. Just fill your bank up with them. Assuming mats already in the bank, you could create 7 alts with 3 hirelings each in less than 15 minutes.

MasterSpatula

Wow, THIS thread is still going?

Best I've seen so far had a blue temper, some raw flax, and a gem.

Worst I've seen so far had three raw jute and nothing else.

A real Monty Haul mechanic, there.

Laharl_Overlord

grayssonb16_ESO wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

You are doing hireling WRONG if you have not got a legendary. DO you have all toons on your account loaded up with all hireling getting 30+ mails a day to open? If not I suggest you go back to beginning of thread and read slowly this time.

wat

on lvl3 you got 3 SP which is just enough for ONE hireling, if every char on the account does that that's 7 mails + the ones from your main char.

again, stop posting bullsh*t numbers.

3 skill points is enough for 3 hirelings. That's 24 mails with one account. The op has 2 accounts. He also grabbed 2 skyshards on some alts for an extra skill point. But anyone with one account can easily get 24 chests a day. Stop posting dumb bullsh*t.

Krym

grayssonb16_ESO wrote: »

3 skill points is enough for 3 hirelings. That's 24 mails with one account. The op has 2 accounts. He also grabbed 2 skyshards on some alts for an extra skill point. But anyone with one account can easily get 24 chests a day. Stop posting dumb bullsh*t.[/quote]

ah, forgot you only need 1 sp. shouldn't post when tired. anyway,

still doesn't change the fact that the whole thread is bs.

hauke

are you intending to do ESO for a living ?

to get all your 16 toons to lvl you need aproximately 2 weeks per toon playing 12 hours a day thats 8 month of playing every day 12 hours...

and do it in a way thats not going to be fun,speed leveling 16 toons...

for... crafting legendary stuff in eso you are going to waste a year of your life ?

most people will have less then 8 toons...

i think the original posters arguments are funny in lunatic kind of way

Laharl_Overlord

hauke wrote: »

are you intending to do ESO for a living ?

to get all your 16 toons to lvl you need aproximately 2 weeks per toon playing 12 hours a day thats 8 month of playing every day 12 hours...

and do it in a way thats not going to be fun,speed leveling 16 toons...

for... crafting legendary stuff in eso you are going to waste a year of your life ?

most people will have less then 8 toons...

i think the original posters arguments are funny in lunatic kind of way

What are you talking about? Are you people even playing the game?

Necromorbus

I don't think hirelings are game-breaking, a few days ago i set up 6 hirelings, still haven't gotten any epics, no legendaries and just a few blues.

I like that I can create my own gear and the thought of having people working for me fits my character well since it makes me feel that I'm a Breton merchant engaged in commerce!

Since I don't do pvp much I don't see how me being a stronger crafter and merchant effects others?

Tyr

Personally I've been getting at least 1 legendary upgrade material every day from the 8 characters who have hirelings. However, what the OP may not understand is that opening a hireling box is like farming 1 material node in the open world. That means that you literally have the same chance of getting a legendary item from a hireling chest as from a resource node.

Laharl_Overlord

Tyr wrote: »

Personally I've been getting at least 1 legendary upgrade material every day from the 8 characters who have hirelings. However, what the OP may not understand is that opening a hireling box is like farming 1 material node in the open world. That means that you literally have the same chance of getting a legendary item from a hireling chest as from a resource node.

I average about 1 legendary per day from hirelings. My best day I received 3 legendary and 1epic. I get 28 chests from hirelings per day. I farm far more nodes than that and I've not gotten a single legendary from nodes.

Tyr

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

Personally I've been getting at least 1 legendary upgrade material every day from the 8 characters who have hirelings. However, what the OP may not understand is that opening a hireling box is like farming 1 material node in the open world. That means that you literally have the same chance of getting a legendary item from a hireling chest as from a resource node.

I average about 1 legendary per day from hirelings. My best day I received 3 legendary and 1epic. I get 28 chests from hirelings per day. I farm far more nodes than that and I've not gotten a single legendary from nodes.

Should have clarified that I meant VR nodes.

Tyr

Tyr wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

Personally I've been getting at least 1 legendary upgrade material every day from the 8 characters who have hirelings. However, what the OP may not understand is that opening a hireling box is like farming 1 material node in the open world. That means that you literally have the same chance of getting a legendary item from a hireling chest as from a resource node.

I average about 1 legendary per day from hirelings. My best day I received 3 legendary and 1epic. I get 28 chests from hirelings per day. I farm far more nodes than that and I've not gotten a single legendary from nodes.

Should have clarified that I meant VR nodes.

Also refining VR10 resources produces a much higher chance for legendary upgrades.

Laharl_Overlord

Tyr wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

Personally I've been getting at least 1 legendary upgrade material every day from the 8 characters who have hirelings. However, what the OP may not understand is that opening a hireling box is like farming 1 material node in the open world. That means that you literally have the same chance of getting a legendary item from a hireling chest as from a resource node.

I average about 1 legendary per day from hirelings. My best day I received 3 legendary and 1epic. I get 28 chests from hirelings per day. I farm far more nodes than that and I've not gotten a single legendary from nodes.

Should have clarified that I meant VR nodes.

Also refining VR10 resources produces a much higher chance for legendary upgrades.

With hirelings you can start getting legendary mats at level one and saving up for endgame. I'm slow at leveling, only level 17 but I already have enough mats for 2 legends from just hirelings.

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO

Doesn't increase your chances at all... i got VR10 with full legendary with only 1 hireling before people who are VR10 with 8 characters each with hireling, someone clearly isn't VR10

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO

I have 81 Dreugh wax 22 tempering alloy and i sell all my Rosin and used my 14 Kuta on VR10 Legendary rarity Glyphs, can i ask? are you mad bro?

Tonturri

Or just put the hirelings as a level 50 (or 40, whatever) passive., instead of the easy to spec into way it is now?

Seems like a better option than 'remove this option completely!'. It'd be nice to still gain items when I take a week haitus to pour tons (more) time into school, or go on a vacation.

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO

How many people here complaining are even VR10? or have even SEEN legendary end game gear? if you haven't shut the f*** up. i honestly feel like posting screenshots of all my legendary s***. also 2 weeks to get 1 legendary piece?! try 1 day to get 9 legendary pieces. You can get legendary materials from refining ores / materials.

Stupid noobs are stupid.

Laharl_Overlord

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

How many people here complaining are even VR10? or have even SEEN legendary end game gear? if you haven't shut the f*** up. i honestly feel like posting screenshots of all my legendary s***. also 2 weeks to get 1 legendary piece?! try 1 day to get 9 legendary pieces. You can get legendary materials from refining ores / materials.

Stupid noobs are stupid.

You so cool.

Aria

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Please explain to me in detail (as I have done) why you believe lvl 3 alts which are never played and only logged on once per day effecting end game and the in game economy is a good thing. I am dieing to hear all about it.

Or did you just not read the post before hitting reply in a knee jerk reaction?
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While was not aimed at me I would still like to respond, I am a crafter and I don't have hirelings so I can make a profit I have them so I can make my characters nice items.
That being said your saying level 3 (adventuring) level crafting characters should be *penalized even further because some appear to have been created for the sole purpose of getting hirelings correct?

For any players that are like me and love to craft we are already penalized as we are "forced" to level adventuring to get skill points enabling us to better our craft, crafting and adventuring should never have been tied together in the first place but thats just my opinion.

So by all means go ahead and scream nerf and in your eagerness to make things how you think they should be, your not only effecting players that are exploiting the system but also some that just are trying to enjoy the game!

flamecloud

It's not gamebreaking and in the long run it can improve the economy. Granted some people who don't have Rng luck will complain but that is an excuse to make everyone else day bad as the unlucky.

Laharl_Overlord

philtrum_licker_ESO wrote: »

It's not gamebreaking and in the long run it can improve the economy. Granted some people who don't have Rng luck will complain but that is an excuse to make everyone else day bad as the unlucky.

I'm not one of the people that says this is game breaking, it's just a large advantage in my opinion. RNG will have nothing to do with it.

In one year anyone who has been doing this will have hundreds of epic and legendary mats they got for free, that's on top of the mats they get grinding. For people like super awesome steven shidiwen who's already VR10 with full legendary on one character, it doesn't mean much. He already grinds out tons of legendary mats, this would just be supplemental income. For people who can't grind that much, it just means we'll have full legendary gear waiting for us whenever our mains or alts are ready for it.