Especially when you compare it to the Black Market Mogul achievement, which not only requires you to earn 1,000,000 gold on a single character by selling stolen items to a fence, but also has a furnishing and one of the best dyes in the game locked behind it. I'm actually shocked that there's no reward for collecting 500 inks. But I still think it's easier to acquire all those inks than get the BMM achievement, which is also time gated behind a 140 item per day limit.
Slight correction here, I concur with your point, however, the achievement is account wide and can be earned across all characters now.
Ok, thanks for the update. I did it on six different characters before the account wide achievements debacle, so I haven't had the opportunity to interact with the specifics in some time. In that case, it would indeed be much easier to obtain. And yet, they made other achievements, like the Murkmire Prepper exponentially harder to complete. Go figure.
DenverRalphy wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »And how is not being able to quickly complete an achievement that's designed to take a long time to finish, equate to your claim "the problem is we cant use the new system now"?Necrotech_Master wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Erickson9610 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »i would rather have an overabundance of ink than the current abysmal lack of ink
Players who started with the Scribing system are going to have an overabundance of Luminous Ink in the long term. Part of the design of the system is trying to encourage players to use the system over a long period of time — that includes saving up Luminous Ink for changing their Scribed skills (such as after new Scripts are obtained) or for trying out new Grimoires.
I bet that in two years, most players who started Scribing now will have too much Luminous Ink, while new players starting Scribing for the first time will not have enough Luminous Ink.
I wouldn't mind if ZOS increased the Luminous Ink drop rate and increased the number of sources for acquisition (especially for PvP players), but it's not really going to benefit most of us in the future when we have a lot of Luminous Ink saved up from not utilizing the system for a while.
the problem is we cant use the new system now
i dont think anyone wants to wait 2 years to have a "useable" quantity of ink to try to experiment with
at this point, almost a month out, people have already made up their minds on the system: they are going to not use the system at all because they cant, or they are going to use whatever the streamers and guides suggest to avoid "wasting" ink
essentially no way to experiment or play with the system due to the severe lack of ink, this is what what people were buying gold road for, a 2 year grind, but to use the scribing system to you know, have fun
Exactly how can you not use it now? Are you saying you haven't amassed any ink at all? Are there none on the Traders on your server? How many skills do you need to scribe? Because you can do 4 right out of the gate when you finish the quest line.
i have gotten, as of yesterday, 32 ink since day 1 of the patch, this was barely enough to do 1 scribe of all of the skills on my main for the achievement, let alone tweak any of those, or use it on any of my other 10 characters
no, i should not have to buy ink, i should not have to rely on other players to use this system
while it is an option, buying ink does not increment the achievement either, you have to get it as drops yourself, and this is part of my problem
on PC we have had this system now for almost a month, i have found a grand total of 32 ink as of june 27 (12 of which was from the initial quest run on day 1 back on june 3)
ive tested my time getting ink both through "normal" gameplay, and periods of actual farming (30-60 min sessions of nothing but node harvesting in various locations)
in 24 days, ive acquired 20 units of ink as drops, that is less than 1 per day avg for me, i feel lucky if i even get any ink at all that day, and i can guarantee that a majority of this ink was probably dropped on the 2nd week
node grinding like a bot is not my idea of fun in the game, and if the drop rate is so low that you are basically forced to do that, with no guarantee you will even get any ink, is the antithesis of fun and im not going to spend my time in game doing that
drop rates need to be increased, im not saying it has to drop like candy, but the current drop rate is untenable for most players
i would also agree with Erickson9610 that more sources of ink would help alleviate the problem as well (such as a chance from rewards of the worthy or tribute coffers)
You do realize that for the accumulator achievement, you could just run the Luminaries quests on 2 alts and that'll put you over. Right?
how would that help getting 500 ink for the 3rd achievement? i could care less about the skill style on the 2nd achievement, i want to complete the achievements, but at my current rate of ink drops, im looking at almost 2 years to get 500 ink
not to mention, i also dont want to rerun that insanely boring/repetitive scribing questline again, if they removed the parts where you have to dispel all the wards, then maybe i would rerun that again
The 500 achievement gives you nothing. No reward, nothing in game attached to it. It's one of those Long Term achievements that only mean that you've been doing it a long long time. It's not meant to be done instantly. So really, no sympathy there.Necrotech_Master wrote: »Well I found out there is no cooldown, I got 6 almost in a row (3 nodes with double drops) in Bal Foyen. Up to 270/500, so kina is what it is. I suspect ink will be under 25-30k in another week or two.
again, as its been stated multiple times in this thread, by multiple people, not everyone is having this kind of luck
ive farmed bleakrock for 45 min before i got 1 ink, hitting every node within sight, this was basically my breaking point on the "its too rare to bother farming" scale
It's not a matter of luck. It's a matter of knowing how to farm it effectively. If you utilize your alts, you can find a couple of them each day that are running an above average seed.
It's like farming anything else (ie.. furnishing plans). I run 10 toons total. Each day after reset their RNG seeds reset when they login for the firt time. Out of those 10, 3 - 6 of them will be about average in luck. 1 or 2 will be above average, 1 or 2 will be below average, 1 or 2 will be hopeless, and sometimes 1 or 2 will be phenomenal.
You just gotta cycle through your alts until you hit one that does above average or better. Then repeat the process each day.
But if you're just gonna farm and farm and farm on one or two toons, you're rarely ever gonna see those hot streaks.
at my current rate of ink drops, 500 ink is going to take between 1.5 and 2 years, and entirely dependent on the RNG
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even scribing 1 skill (other than the freebie wield soul) for more my 10 alts is 30 ink
if i wanted more than 1 skill, or to change scripts on a skill, that costs more ink
there is no way to experiment with different scribing skill setups because it all costs ink
and before you say it, no, absolutely no way am i wasting 900k (30k gold per ink x 30) gold on buying ink just to experiment with different script combinations to see what works best for the character, multiply that by 10 characters, multiply that by every scribe skill i want to try to use
this is all derivative of a low drop rate of ink, essentially making the system unusable for me, both to finish achievements, and to actually attempt to you know, experiment with scribe skills
Oh but I will say it. There's plenty of Ink on the Traders. You can buy all you like.
Is the price unfavorable at the moment? Sure, you betcha. But that's expected if you insist on being a First Adopter. Keep iin mind that that's your choice. You don't HAVE to experiment with all or a lot of the skills right away. You could just as easily just Scribe what your ink supply supports at the moment, then experiment when the prices go down. Heck, the price of Luminous Ink has fallen 80% in the last week alone, and it's only going to fall further.
First Adopter syndrome is almost as bad as FOMO syndrome.
Woozywyvern wrote: »Is anyone getting any inks on Mobs or Harvesting on alt characters? I have put about 14 hours in game time questiong and pretty much picking up all harvesting nodes I;ve come across and not a single ink drop. I have done the 2nd Era of Scribing Quest on thhis character and have the Netch and Indrik unlocks in my collections (but not done on this character).
Wondering if its bugged or I just have beyond horrendous RNG.
Woozywyvern wrote: »Is anyone getting any inks on Mobs or Harvesting on alt characters? I have put about 14 hours in game time questiong and pretty much picking up all harvesting nodes I;ve come across and not a single ink drop. I have done the 2nd Era of Scribing Quest on thhis character and have the Netch and Indrik unlocks in my collections (but not done on this character).
Wondering if its bugged or I just have beyond horrendous RNG.
Yamenstein wrote: »Harvested like 20 nodes. Nothing. Would have liked at least 1. Honestly. Introduce a system like this why? I can only assume because you need to stretch out the grind for longer because you don’t have your normal release later this year.
Smokedpyrotech wrote: »
It unlocks a unique pillar furnishing from the achievement furnisher.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Scholarium_Column,_Large
Woozywyvern wrote: »Is anyone getting any inks on Mobs or Harvesting on alt characters? I have put about 14 hours in game time questiong and pretty much picking up all harvesting nodes I;ve come across and not a single ink drop. I have done the 2nd Era of Scribing Quest on thhis character and have the Netch and Indrik unlocks in my collections (but not done on this character).
Wondering if its bugged or I just have beyond horrendous RNG.
DenverRalphy wrote: »And again, we've already established that the 500 Ink achievement is a non-issue since it doesn't gate you from anything. It's supposed to be a long term achievement. As for the 50 Ink achievement, you can simply do the questline on a couple of alts, and you're done. If you refuse to do them, hey that's on you and you can just grumble and moan as you farm up the remainder to hit 50. But you can't claim that it can't be completed within a day.
OtarTheMad wrote: »Bad RNG and just the fact that I can’t log in and play for hours on end makes the ink grind a pain. I went around on my crafter today for about 30 mins (All the time I had) got 1 but only 1.
Woozywyvern wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »Bad RNG and just the fact that I can’t log in and play for hours on end makes the ink grind a pain. I went around on my crafter today for about 30 mins (All the time I had) got 1 but only 1.
1 - you are lucky. I havent had a drop in three days of playing. At this point I think the system is either bugged, or people are farming Harvest nodes and leaving the usual mats. Or a combination of both. I have had several nodes (well four or five) over the last 3 days where only fishing bait is left, no ctual crafting material.
Necrotech_Master wrote: »Woozywyvern wrote: »Is anyone getting any inks on Mobs or Harvesting on alt characters? I have put about 14 hours in game time questiong and pretty much picking up all harvesting nodes I;ve come across and not a single ink drop. I have done the 2nd Era of Scribing Quest on thhis character and have the Netch and Indrik unlocks in my collections (but not done on this character).
Wondering if its bugged or I just have beyond horrendous RNG.
i got a single ink drop out of 2 vet lucent citadel runs tonight, first ink drop in 2 days (from combined killing/harvesting)
the ink drops are absolute garbage no matter where you try to farm themDenverRalphy wrote: »And again, we've already established that the 500 Ink achievement is a non-issue since it doesn't gate you from anything. It's supposed to be a long term achievement. As for the 50 Ink achievement, you can simply do the questline on a couple of alts, and you're done. If you refuse to do them, hey that's on you and you can just grumble and moan as you farm up the remainder to hit 50. But you can't claim that it can't be completed within a day.
i dont mind grind, at all, but only when i can make sensible or monitored progress (killing 10,000 enemies is an easy grind that you can optimize, RNG grind for ink is just annoying, there is 0 way to optimize it because no matter what you do your still subject to poor RNG)
i should be able to grind it out in a night if i wanted to, but there is no way to do that because all of the drops are RNG, its like im repeatedly farming for monster trophies, at least those were a 1 and done
as i said before im done with the system unless they improve ink drops so you can get them in a more favorable manor
Went a bit of node farming yesterday, I'd say it turned out to be about 3 ink per hour. Really no need to change the drop rate.
We have a double node drop coming up, I'm sure they will be falling in your lap if you give a little effort. I know when Craglorn is effected I got quite a lot more nirncrux. I assume ink will be similar. TBH I don't understand how people can be having that many issues, unless they are trying to AoE farm. I think I am up to nearly 300/500 now and basically have no use for inks.
Again, can you folks please empathize instead of assuming we’re doing something wrong? It’s possible that the drop rate / ink RNG is bugged on some accounts (either some of you are getting way more ink than intended, or some of us are getting way less ink than intended). I’m not even at 50 ink yet, and I actually have a use for ink. I know how to farm resource nodes efficiently.
ShadowPaladin wrote: »But, I also would like to point out one thing I have seen happening here in the forum quite a lot. The thing I am talking about is all the talk about drop chances (e.g. for ink 2% or so) and in the same sentence also stating something along the lines of *with X% of chance I should be able to get X within looting something 100 times*.
Here I want to point out that this assumption is WRONG! Statistically speaking it is correct, but only statistically speaking!
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nenekotanb16_ESO wrote: »ShadowPaladin wrote: »But, I also would like to point out one thing I have seen happening here in the forum quite a lot. The thing I am talking about is all the talk about drop chances (e.g. for ink 2% or so) and in the same sentence also stating something along the lines of *with X% of chance I should be able to get X within looting something 100 times*.
Here I want to point out that this assumption is WRONG! Statistically speaking it is correct, but only statistically speaking!
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Agreed, and in addition it's not even 2%. It's more like 0.5%, so one in every 200 nodes would one average net you 1.5 ink (with the CP talent enabled). Farming 20 nodes is not indicative of anything. You would need to keep track of thousands, preferably tens of thousands of node harvests, to get statistically reasonable estimations over what we already know.
We have a double node drop coming up, I'm sure they will be falling in your lap if you give a little effort. I know when Craglorn is effected I got quite a lot more nirncrux. I assume ink will be similar. TBH I don't understand how people can be having that many issues, unless they are trying to AoE farm. I think I am up to nearly 300/500 now and basically have no use for inks.
Again, can you folks please empathize instead of assuming we’re doing something wrong? It’s possible that the drop rate / ink RNG is bugged on some accounts (either some of you are getting way more ink than intended, or some of us are getting way less ink than intended). I’m not even at 50 ink yet, and I actually have a use for ink. I know how to farm resource nodes efficiently.
We have a double node drop coming up, I'm sure they will be falling in your lap if you give a little effort. I know when Craglorn is effected I got quite a lot more nirncrux. I assume ink will be similar. TBH I don't understand how people can be having that many issues, unless they are trying to AoE farm. I think I am up to nearly 300/500 now and basically have no use for inks.
Again, can you folks please empathize instead of assuming we’re doing something wrong? It’s possible that the drop rate / ink RNG is bugged on some accounts (either some of you are getting way more ink than intended, or some of us are getting way less ink than intended). I’m not even at 50 ink yet, and I actually have a use for ink. I know how to farm resource nodes efficiently.
I don't think drop rates are bugged.
I think some people say "Ugh, I farmed for an hour and only got 3 ink" while others say "yay! I farmed for an hour and got 3 ink!"