Guild trader listings being changed to 14 days??!?

FlopsyPrince

CrashTest wrote: »

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Nestor wrote: »

So, 14 day Mail delete, 14 day Store Return, be gone from the game for a month, lose 30, 60 or 90 items?

Yea, this is a good idea. Fiscally punish players for not logging in frequently. Perish the thought that life happens or a family emergency, or a work project takes me out of town for a couple off weeks 13 days after I list.

Seriously?

It's been very obvious for awhile now that ZOS is headed more and more in the FOMO direction. I gotta admit though that I didn't foresee basic game functions turning into FOMO, but it is what it is.

This has a tremendous possibility to backfire if true.

barney2525

Background - I only list when I have something to sell from game play. I do not even attempt to worry about having 30 slots filled at all times. To me, that is Not fun. The vast majority of one's time has to be finding something more to sell.

So when i list items, if they do not sell in 3 - 4 days I check the TTC prices and pull down whatever may be a bit overpriced and re-list. During the last crate event I was able to keep 25 - 30 items up and going and made a lot of money. But there were a lot of recipes for gear that I didn't care for, but they did not sell so i just added them to my crafter at the end of the event.

people play the game for different reasons, but I don't see any big deal with these changes. Just like I don't understand why people list things as they do. Today I was looking for normal blue racial books for a crafter. Didn't bother with the TTC, just waddled around various zone traders. Can usually pick them up for 100 - 500 gold.

Found One trader that had 2 books. Each was listed at 250,000 gold.

What is this person thinking? do they really believe someone is going to buy them?

Jaraal

barney2525 wrote: »

Found One trader that had 2 books. Each was listed at 250,000 gold.

What is this person thinking? do they really believe someone is going to buy them?

Radically overpriced items are often gold laundering situations. People will buy gold, and then list something like a potato for 500,000 gold. The gold seller will buy the potato. Buyer collects the gold.

Not condoning or encouraging such behavior, just telling you one reason why you see things like what you just reported.

NoTimeToWait

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

This will tank prices.

Not really, most items do sell within 14 days in some areas they will sell within hours. It's the outlier items that will stick around and the really rare items that will be most impacted but those are all high risk/reward items. At most it will curb inflation.

It will actually create massive deflation...as listers are going to be far more aggressive to push prices down so they can get faster sales.

it's hard to predict. Some listings will become more expensive, since people will not bother with selling them (thus shortage of supply), but higher priced items might become less expensive.

NoTimeToWait

SilverBride wrote: »

JanTanhide wrote: »

Now if it doesn't sell within 14 days and we want to put it up for sale again we pay another listing fee.

These are the kinds of things that happen when players ask for things like more gold sinks.

Apparently, inflation is not a worry, because we are currently having a double amount of gold generation event (which really makes me wonder about certain things). So when players ask for more gold sinks, and we get the opposite...

That means that either developers or players are delusional about the state of things, and I really hope it's not the former.

h9dlb

We need to do a Helldivers

Necrotech_Master

Jaraal wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I guess if you plan on taking vacation you have to delist your items to make sure you don’t lose any gold. Then you relist them when you get back.

How will that affect trading?

My guilds depend on their members to keep their trader slots filled. Top locations on PC/NA cost 120m+ per week to rent. If a portion of the guilds' members are pulling their listings because they need to be away for a couple of weeks for vacations, medical issues, hardware/internet issues, and whatnot then the guilds will suffer. Trading will suffer. And all because ZOS has decided that stripping the game to fit the infrastructure is better than expanding the infrastructure to fit the game.

the only reason those traders cost so much is because its the only real gold sink in the game, and theres so much gold floating around

i dont really see how these changes will negatively affect trading as a whole

most of those guilds brought that cost on themselves by being competitive with each other, and "charging" their members with additional fees (dues) on top of the normal guild tax on sales to even participate

if these big guilds start hemorrhaging members because of people who no longer want to participate in the system, or because they start removing people who remove their listings because they want to take a 2+ week vacation or some other reason (moving, medical, etc) thats going to only hurt those big guilds

on an individual level all this might do is force people to try to sell at lower prices so the items actually sell within 2 weeks, which if anything helps everyone because of lower prices

Ramber

IDK how anyone can hate this change, that likes to make gold anyway, its true that if somehting doesnt sell within about 5 days its almost certainly overpriced.

FlopsyPrince

Ramber wrote: »

IDK how anyone can hate this change, that likes to make gold anyway, its true that if somehting doesnt sell within about 5 days its almost certainly overpriced.

That is not true. Some slower moving items benefit from a longer time.

You could always cancel them early so why should we "love this change"?

h9dlb

Gold motif books and rare masks can take 6 months to sell even when priced low. To keep relisting them every 2 weeks will make them worthless. This change only works if they get rid of listing fees

dkblight

h9dlb wrote: »

Gold motif books and rare masks can take 6 months to sell even when priced low. To keep relisting them every 2 weeks will make them worthless. This change only works if they get rid of listing fees

I came to the forums for this exact thinking.

You're reducing our time by more than half, the listing fees should also be reduced.
If you order an item and it's used or wrong, you get a refund or a partial refund.

It is only logical and FAIR to reduce the listing fees or remove them entirely. I understand why it was reduced as well as believe it will boost sales in trade guilds of people who list and leave (list at avg price, leave, and see that price now over priced by day 15) Still as mentioned, harder to sell items cost a pretty penny to relist each time and now in a shorter window. ying the listed amount of days, yang the listing fee...we need balance. you can't change the scales on one side and expect balance.

If you want to maintain ESO's trader economy system as if a real system, then you can't do bad practices like reduction of time listed but same price to list the items. A real life company would go under with that sort of stunt. This is how I think anyway.

a good example:
That's like going to therapy for 1 hour, then they tell you therapy is now 30 mins, but you're still paying 1 hour fees.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

Ramber wrote: »

IDK how anyone can hate this change, that likes to make gold anyway, its true that if somehting doesnt sell within about 5 days its almost certainly overpriced.

I disagree. I frequently sell lower level motifs for 50 - 100 gold for new players. These can sit for a few weeks and it has nothing to do with the asking price. Selling items depends upon a new player finding my guild's trader. Neither of which are made easy by the guild trader system with its inability to search for items across all traders. There is TTC for the PC but it is highly inaccurate since it requires the client addon to update the TTC server. Even then it only updates what the player has listed or searched for not all items in a particular guild trader. Then there are the consoles which have no ability to even use the limited function of TTC. Reducing the mail expiration timer does nothing to fix the underlying structural problems of the game and only makes the player QoL worse by adding mail management to the inventory management mini-game.

FlopsyPrince

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Ramber wrote: »

IDK how anyone can hate this change, that likes to make gold anyway, its true that if somehting doesnt sell within about 5 days its almost certainly overpriced.

I disagree. I frequently sell lower level motifs for 50 - 100 gold for new players. These can sit for a few weeks and it has nothing to do with the asking price. Selling items depends upon a new player finding my guild's trader. Neither of which are made easy by the guild trader system with its inability to search for items across all traders. There is TTC for the PC but it is highly inaccurate since it requires the client addon to update the TTC server. Even then it only updates what the player has listed or searched for not all items in a particular guild trader. Then there are the consoles which have no ability to even use the limited function of TTC. Reducing the mail expiration timer does nothing to fix the underlying structural problems of the game and only makes the player QoL worse by adding mail management to the inventory management mini-game.

None of these problems are noted by those who "love" the current system.

I completely agree with your points!

Tenthirty2

Ramber wrote: »

IDK how anyone can hate this change, that likes to make gold anyway, its true that if somehting doesnt sell within about 5 days its almost certainly overpriced.

I love to make gold and I also hate this change.

Usually if something sells within 5 days you have likely listed it under value and it's been grabbed by a flipper.

Or there is only a few listed and the item is rare and in high-demand.

More often than not I've made some of my best 6 figure sales when the item is within 8 days or less of expiring.

All this obnoxious change is going to do is make sellers have to relist their items more frequently, which equals more "work".

And\or if say, I decide to go on vacation for a couple of weeks and NOT bring my laptop and NOT play ESO (perish the thought!) I will need to pull all my listings down for fear of losing sales to the void because I wasn't able to log in to claim my attached gold.

Thinking about starting a Sellers Union.

FlopsyPrince

Tenthirty2 wrote: »

Ramber wrote: »

IDK how anyone can hate this change, that likes to make gold anyway, its true that if somehting doesnt sell within about 5 days its almost certainly overpriced.

I love to make gold and I also hate this change.

Usually if something sells within 5 days you have likely listed it under value and it's been grabbed by a flipper.

Or there is only a few listed and the item is rare and in high-demand.

More often than not I've made some of my best 6 figure sales when the item is within 8 days or less of expiring.

All this obnoxious change is going to do is make sellers have to relist their items more frequently, which equals more "work".

And\or if say, I decide to go on vacation for a couple of weeks and NOT bring my laptop and NOT play ESO (perish the thought!) I will need to pull all my listings down for fear of losing sales to the void because I wasn't able to log in to claim my attached gold.

Thinking about starting a Sellers Union.

Promoting a fix that ZOS believes will help its performance as a great thing for players is quite dishonest, at best.

Heelie

I think we just need to wait it out before crying wolf. I can see several ways this can be helpful to the economy. One of them being less inflation. If trading is more difficult, it is also more difficult foe the bad actors.

h9dlb

These forums are going to be log jammed on 19th June when loads of people have lost all their stuff and gold in the mail

Shagreth

Nice, like trading wasn't already *** for someone like me who deals with furniture. Guess I won't bother.

alpha_synuclein

Trading is a side activity that I participate in only as much as I have to. It's already rather boring and tedious.
Adding more fuss/management = less engagement from me.

vsrs_au

I'm wondering how many trading guilds will stop being viable because of this change.

allochthons

PC folks who have seen this change, and the change in mail, go live, how much information about it was given In Game? Are people who don't engage in the forums and who don't reach the patch notes going to be taken by surprise 14 days from now, as @h9dlb predicts?

freespirit

allochthons wrote: »

PC folks who have seen this change, and the change in mail, go live, how much information about it was given In Game? Are people who don't engage in the forums and who don't reach the patch notes going to be taken by surprise 14 days from now, as @h9dlb predicts?

It is possible some will be taken by surprise, however before the Update hit my trade guilds made sure that everyone was aware of the upcoming change.

As for info about it given in game, I saw nothing at all from ZoS, only from other players!! 😲

Gaebriel0410

I don't see why this is a problem at all, if something takes longer than a week you probably listed it too expensive.

For me it's a nice QoL to have things expire faster, since I only sell things when I play more or less regularly. So for me it just means I won't have to take them off myself to relist.

Other MMO games I've played give you 48 hours (!) to sell, s I always thought a month was a bit ridiculous. Two weeks seems decent to me, and still pretty long in comparison.

Shagreth

One has to wonder tbh, who comes up with such anti-player decisions? From not looking into the Jabs animation again, then perma glow for NB's, now this. There's crapload of feedback.

@ZOS_Kevin I mostly deal with very expensive furniture that take many days to sell because demand isn't exactly high and trading has been bad in general for the last couple of years, if they are going to decrease the time -- then decrease the fee as well.

dkblight

Shagreth wrote: »

Nice, like trading wasn't already *** for someone like me who deals with furniture. Guess I won't bother.

I sell furniture as well in addition to other items.
If the chain reaction lowers cost of craft mats, then I can sell furniture at lower prices, which will have a higher chance of not being affected by this change. This though is a "time will tell" situation. I rather not sell a telvanni table that cost 30k in material value to craft and sell it for 15k just to get it sold in the time frame as people panic value. Ideally the table needs to sell for 45k, to make value of the mats used, the cost if you bought the design for say 400k, and the taxes/listing fees on said item to see a meager profit.

With designs, motifs, style pages, and more so mats, people know what they are after, but in furnishings or gear or other items, people are not too sure least they have an image in their head or a guide they are following. This sort of mindset is the average player not trade focused and sales of said items rarely happen in 14 days. Thus we need to relist the item, realistically if an item doesn't sell you should get 80% of the listing fees back or half the current listing fees.

Some items like a style page can cost you 50-100k or more to list the item only for it to not sell on day 14, and another lost of fees to relist it.

SilverBride

This won't affect how I trade at all. I never leave things up for more than a few days except furnishings, but I sell few of those anyway.

belial5221_ESO

30 days is a long time for some items that change prices often.14 days people will recheck list prices and hopefully put a more sellable price.So should help sales since if you don't wanna relist often,put a realitic price ,not 1000000000 for a banana.

anadandy

allochthons wrote: »

PC folks who have seen this change, and the change in mail, go live, how much information about it was given In Game? Are people who don't engage in the forums and who don't reach the patch notes going to be taken by surprise 14 days from now, as @h9dlb predicts?

The expiration date didn't surprise me, but the "delete when collected" being on by default sure did. That could have been more.clear, imo.

dkblight

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

30 days is a long time for some items that change prices often.14 days people will recheck list prices and hopefully put a more sellable price.So should help sales since if you don't wanna relist often,put a realitic price ,not 1000000000 for a banana.

I'm in 5 trade guilds, I wish I had the option for 5 more trade guilds as I love to buy and sell. My values are not over the top, but over the course of days, they can be under cut. The 1 mil for a banana comment is more addressed to people who don't sell often, they don't price check, they don't have the addons, and they don't update said addons daily.

But for those like myself, who have over 4,000 items most of which to sell be it trader or auction for the guild as I've been playing since 2017, this change is a big change. Now if you have one or two trade guilds with 10-15 items on each, your impact is far less. I help lead a good trade guild, so again sales are a huge deal.

This game is made up of all types of players, keep it in mind. What seems like nothing to you could be a huge deal to someone else.

Jaraal

Shagreth wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin I mostly deal with very expensive furniture that take many days to sell because demand isn't exactly high and trading has been bad in general for the last couple of years, if they are going to decrease the time -- then decrease the fee as well.

This is a case of the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. People with hundreds of millions of gold can afford to pay the new double listing fees, whereas the new players with significantly less funds are the ones most hurt by this change.