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Isn't the compensation too strong?

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  • eveboufa
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    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

  • Galiferno
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    eveboufa wrote: »
    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

    This. I completely agree with people who say that ZOS needs to acknowledge the extremely low drop rates and do something about it, preferably just give them out to everyone or make the drop rate so high it's near guaranteed. But that's a completely separate issue that doesn't overlap with us getting our accounts locked for over a week at minimum.
  • SilverBride
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    eveboufa wrote: »
    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

    I'm just explaining why some are unhappy about this.
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  • Aorys
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    Galiferno wrote: »
    eveboufa wrote: »
    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

    This. I completely agree with people who say that ZOS needs to acknowledge the extremely low drop rates and do something about it, preferably just give them out to everyone or make the drop rate so high it's near guaranteed. But that's a completely separate issue that doesn't overlap with us getting our accounts locked for over a week at minimum.

    and how about I and many others who spent 40+ hours for farming all of them would be compensated?
  • Mike71
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    Aorys wrote: »
    Galiferno wrote: »
    eveboufa wrote: »
    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

    This. I completely agree with people who say that ZOS needs to acknowledge the extremely low drop rates and do something about it, preferably just give them out to everyone or make the drop rate so high it's near guaranteed. But that's a completely separate issue that doesn't overlap with us getting our accounts locked for over a week at minimum.

    and how about I and many others who spent 40+ hours for farming all of them would be compensated?

    For me that would mean that the compensation for the banned players would be reduced.

    None of the blocked accounts were asked what they considered appropriate compensation.

    Personally, I don't see this compensation as such. But just as advertising for ZOS. Hey look, we're doing something.

    My own focus in the game is not mounts, whether Apex or otherwise. I have already farmed the breastfeeding pages myself on two accounts. Ok, I've been playing on the EU server for years. IT shouldn't make any difference in terms of drop rate.

    In my opinion, the question of whether the compensation is too much is simply wrong. You should have asked if it was the right compensation.

    Google Translator.
  • Drammanoth
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    Do people want compensation for being able to log in and having the chance to do what others, who have been locked away, could not?

    You are not victims of a random mistake for which ZOS has to take - and does take - accountability, EVEN THOUGH this is NOT their fault.

    The level of entitlement is thorugh the roof.

    As someone rightfully said, this thread has shown peoples' true colours. Compassion, support and understanding vs lack thereof - just me me me.
  • Galiferno
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    Aorys wrote: »
    Galiferno wrote: »
    eveboufa wrote: »
    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

    This. I completely agree with people who say that ZOS needs to acknowledge the extremely low drop rates and do something about it, preferably just give them out to everyone or make the drop rate so high it's near guaranteed. But that's a completely separate issue that doesn't overlap with us getting our accounts locked for over a week at minimum.

    and how about I and many others who spent 40+ hours for farming all of them would be compensated?

    You're creating a false dichotomy. I farmed for over 40 hours also before being banned and would've kept farming if I still had access to my account. I'm willing to bet many who were locked out also had been farming. I already explicitly said I support you guys getting something rewarding, but that's a completely different topic and has nothing to do with getting your account completely locked.
    Edited by Galiferno on April 22, 2024 11:52PM
  • Aorys
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    Galiferno wrote: »
    Aorys wrote: »
    Galiferno wrote: »
    eveboufa wrote: »
    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

    This. I completely agree with people who say that ZOS needs to acknowledge the extremely low drop rates and do something about it, preferably just give them out to everyone or make the drop rate so high it's near guaranteed. But that's a completely separate issue that doesn't overlap with us getting our accounts locked for over a week at minimum.

    and how about I and many others who spent 40+ hours for farming all of them would be compensated?

    You're creating a false dichotomy. I farmed for over 40 hours also before being banned and would've kept farming if I still had access to my account. I'm willing to bet many who were locked out also had been farming. I already explicitly said I support you guys getting something rewarding, but that's a completely different topic and has nothing to do getting your account completely locked.

    I'm just saying that giving it to everyone would be unfair between who already spent their time farming and the ones who never tried to farm for it. I'm not talking about people who had not the chance to finish farming.
  • Daoin
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    after considering this problem a while and after i thought it was 1 or 2 days they are locked out for i came to the conclusion that the compensation they are recieving is not enough for being locked out of thier own games for more than a week. a few days out or longer than speculated maint times are bad but...omg more than a week is really bad news..i said in my guild chat earlier in EU that i hope the news is good today after maint for all you that were effected
    Edited by Daoin on April 22, 2024 8:35AM
  • Digiman
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    Just want to say I am glad they are compensating you.... but what really ticks me off is the endeavors, most have to scrap and save to get them and instead you give those affected the price of on radiant mount.

    Look a lot of people we affected and still affected to play the game due to maintenance.

    I really think the 16000 endeavors should be give to everyone not just those affected by it.

    It stings that as a customer paying every year since its old time launch gets screwed over by playing by rules and not taking part in the bugged PTS
  • PrincessOfThieves
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    I think the problem is not that the compensation is too OP, it's just that the event itself is very underwhelming. I am sure that when they announced the compensations, many people thought "I'd rather be banned for a week than grind these damn geysers for 50 more hours".
    And yeah it would be awesome if they gave some endeavors to everyone, not just those affected. Maybe not 16k, but let's say 8k :)
    Edited by PrincessOfThieves on April 22, 2024 8:38AM
  • Drammanoth
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    Whether you have watched Nefas' take or not, I urge you to do so.

    https://youtu.be/jBmrAajv7OA?si=GLlZfblC4Efowjx6&t=2497

    People tend to forget, or may not know (which is also possible) what Seals of Endeavour are in essence.

    They are a clever - oh, very clever and effective - marketing way to make one buy cosmetics - COSMETICS - from the Crown Store. Rarely something semi-useful, eg. Vampire utility. As loot boxes are banned, ZOS found a brilliant way to keep them. Lo and behold how effective they are.

    Another thing, those of you who are disgruntled, consider the following - do you not like the fact that they are given the Seals, or that YOU are not given them?

    If you had been given the 16k seals, would you know what to spend them on? We don't tend to respect things that are given to us on silver platter. No sense of accomplishemt.

    IRL, sometimes you will get much for very little, but how often will you rather bemoan the exact opposite?

    To quote Chester Bennington's "In the End"

    "I tried so hard and got so far
    But in the end, it doesn't even matter    ."

    Thus I urge you to drop this envious thought, and... idk, maybe take joy in somebody else's success, or offer aid to those who have been affected? Have any spare motifs that dropped which they may not have AND which you don't need?

    Ooze negativity, and you shall drown. Exude posititity, and you will soar.
  • Mike71
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    PrincessOfThieves wrote: »
    I think the problem is not that the compensation is too OP, it's just that the event itself is very underwhelming. I am sure that when they announced the compensations, many people thought "I'd rather be banned for a week than grind these damn geysers for 50 more hours".
    And yeah it would be awesome if they gave some endeavors to everyone, not just those affected. Maybe not 16k, but let's say 8k :)

    I think you're linking two completely different events here. Like many others.
    Firstly, the anniversary event.
    Secondly, blocking the accounts.

    How many seals did you earn in the week you were able to play, or how many seals would it have been possible to earn? Login Reward, Daily Aspiration. So 16K is not 16k because every day that goes by the seals become fewer.

    A week is over.
    I don't think there will be another server down before next Thursday.
    Two server downs in one week are very unlikely.
    So I expect the accounts to be unblocked on Monday in a week at the earliest.
    If not in 14 days for the next scheduled maintenance.

    Google translate




  • Bokila
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    Just give everyone 16k endeavours and we'll all be happy. It's your 10th year anniversary after all [snip] we don't need horses.

    [edited for profanity bypass]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 22, 2024 4:12PM
  • Eldartar
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    TDVM wrote: »
    Their statement:
    s7qq3w3ic3qu.png

    I agree with the rest, with the exception of 16k thousand Seals of Endeavor, don't you think that 16k is a lot? considering that the players have only been in the bathhouse for a few days and how long does it take to collect such an amount? Why not change this number to 8k? What do you think about this?

    I think they "deserve" as much as they can get.. .. .. ..
  • Eldartar
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    dk_dunkirk wrote: »
    “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.”

    ― John Lydgate

    I thought it was Lincoln. TIL.

    The Author was the poet John Lydgate, later adapted by President Lincoln.
  • amig186
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    Aorys wrote: »
    Galiferno wrote: »
    eveboufa wrote: »
    SilverBride wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    What I'm not going to condone is making those people feel any worse by saying they only deserve what they get if my unrelated issues with the game are also addressed to my satisfaction.

    I never said that. I just said that WE could use some help too but they won't even reply to any of our questions about it. Grinding every day just to be disppointed over and over hasn't been enjoying this event.

    Discuss your style pages in the other thread then.

    I’m fairly confident that Zos is currently trying to resolve service access to its customers. I’m pretty sure the drop rates for style pages are not even on their list of priorities right now.

    Perspective.

    This. I completely agree with people who say that ZOS needs to acknowledge the extremely low drop rates and do something about it, preferably just give them out to everyone or make the drop rate so high it's near guaranteed. But that's a completely separate issue that doesn't overlap with us getting our accounts locked for over a week at minimum.

    and how about I and many others who spent 40+ hours for farming all of them would be compensated?

    I spent that much time on the Ul'vor staff alone and I can tell you that we are entitled to absolutely NOTHING. We knew how trashy the odds were and decided to waste our time on it regardless. A handful of people are getting them for free for being on the receiving end of the biggest screwup I've ever seen in an MMO, there's a good chance you'll never see or meet any of them and wouldn't have even known about it if you hadn't read it here. I think all the mats and motifs we got from the purple boxes are 'compensation' enough.
    PC EU
  • Grizzbeorn
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    Mike71 wrote: »
    I don't think there will be another server down before next Thursday.
    Two server downs in one week are very unlikely.

    No.
    There is another downtime, after the one currently in-progress, coming for PC/NA early this week:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8094396/#Comment_8094396
      PC/NA Warden Main
    • Ashnarug
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      We have been locked out of our accounts for more than a week now during two events (Anniversary Jubilee and Thieves Guild) and no, the "rewards" are acceptable. 21 Event Tickets lost so far.

      Side effect: I deleted the PTS, won't get caught a second time.
      Edited by Ashnarug on April 22, 2024 11:01AM
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    • Mike71
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      Grizzbeorn wrote: »
      Mike71 wrote: »
      I don't think there will be another server down before next Thursday.
      Two server downs in one week are very unlikely.

      No.
      There is another downtime, after the one currently in-progress, coming for PC/NA early this week:

      https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8094396/#Comment_8094396

      It could be my translator's fault, but I don't read anything about a second downtime, just that their plans have solidified to date and ZOS can only say today when the accounts will be unblocked.

      Google translation
    • Grizzbeorn
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      Mike71 wrote: »
      Grizzbeorn wrote: »
      Mike71 wrote: »
      I don't think there will be another server down before next Thursday.
      Two server downs in one week are very unlikely.

      No.
      There is another downtime, after the one currently in-progress, coming for PC/NA early this week:

      https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8094396/#Comment_8094396

      It could be my translator's fault, but I don't read anything about a second downtime, just that their plans have solidified to date and ZOS can only say today when the accounts will be unblocked.

      Google translation

      They need to take PC/NA down again after today to perform the rollbacks needed for that server.
      Gina wrote: »
      On Monday, April 22, we have patches scheduled for both PTS and PC NA/EU. Once those maintenances are complete, we will discuss the best and soonest time to schedule the downtime needed on PC NA to perform the actual rollbacks and subsequently, unlock all remaining accounts.

      Edited by Grizzbeorn on April 22, 2024 11:12AM
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      • xclassgaming
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        Grizzbeorn wrote: »
        Mike71 wrote: »
        Grizzbeorn wrote: »
        Mike71 wrote: »
        I don't think there will be another server down before next Thursday.
        Two server downs in one week are very unlikely.

        No.
        There is another downtime, after the one currently in-progress, coming for PC/NA early this week:

        https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8094396/#Comment_8094396

        It could be my translator's fault, but I don't read anything about a second downtime, just that their plans have solidified to date and ZOS can only say today when the accounts will be unblocked.

        Google translation

        They need to take PC/NA down again after today to perform the rollbacks needed for that server.
        Gina wrote: »
        On Monday, April 22, we have patches scheduled for both PTS and PC NA/EU. Once those maintenances are complete, we will discuss the best and soonest time to schedule the downtime needed on PC NA to perform the actual rollbacks and subsequently, unlock all remaining accounts.

        I doubt it'll be today tbh i'd absolutely love it if it was but its probably wednesday if we are lucky.
        Give us clannfear mounts!
      • Grizzbeorn
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        xclassgaming wrote: »
        Grizzbeorn wrote: »
        Mike71 wrote: »
        Grizzbeorn wrote: »
        Mike71 wrote: »
        I don't think there will be another server down before next Thursday.
        Two server downs in one week are very unlikely.

        No.
        There is another downtime, after the one currently in-progress, coming for PC/NA early this week:

        https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8094396/#Comment_8094396

        It could be my translator's fault, but I don't read anything about a second downtime, just that their plans have solidified to date and ZOS can only say today when the accounts will be unblocked.

        Google translation

        They need to take PC/NA down again after today to perform the rollbacks needed for that server.
        Gina wrote: »
        On Monday, April 22, we have patches scheduled for both PTS and PC NA/EU. Once those maintenances are complete, we will discuss the best and soonest time to schedule the downtime needed on PC NA to perform the actual rollbacks and subsequently, unlock all remaining accounts.

        I doubt it'll be today tbh i'd absolutely love it if it was but its probably wednesday if we are lucky.

        They didn't say it would be today for the second down-time, and neither did I.
        "expect it to occur early next week" (which is now this week) is what Gina said on Friday the 19th.
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        • Drammanoth
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          amig186 wrote: »
          I spent that much time on the Ul'vor staff alone and I can tell you that we are entitled to absolutely NOTHING. We knew how trashy the odds were and decided to waste our time on it regardless. A handful of people are getting them for free for being on the receiving end of the biggest screwup I've ever seen in an MMO, there's a good chance you'll never see or meet any of them and wouldn't have even known about it if you hadn't read it here. I think all the mats and motifs we got from the purple boxes are 'compensation' enough.
          emphasis - mine.

          The mats from the purple boxes - this is something the complaining people have conveniently been omitting. Either for yourself or to sell, you have those. How about the motifs worth hundreds of thousands? Can those blocked say the same?

          I'd temporarily increase the cap for the Event Tickets by 21 (7 days x 3 tickets) fro those accounts as another form of compensation. Or some 7 boxes containing 3 Tickets.

          Think about it, ZOS. These folks have lost the Tickets, but you have the power to undo the damage.
        • xclassgaming
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          Grizzbeorn wrote: »
          xclassgaming wrote: »
          Grizzbeorn wrote: »
          Mike71 wrote: »
          Grizzbeorn wrote: »
          Mike71 wrote: »
          I don't think there will be another server down before next Thursday.
          Two server downs in one week are very unlikely.

          No.
          There is another downtime, after the one currently in-progress, coming for PC/NA early this week:

          https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8094396/#Comment_8094396

          It could be my translator's fault, but I don't read anything about a second downtime, just that their plans have solidified to date and ZOS can only say today when the accounts will be unblocked.

          Google translation

          They need to take PC/NA down again after today to perform the rollbacks needed for that server.
          Gina wrote: »
          On Monday, April 22, we have patches scheduled for both PTS and PC NA/EU. Once those maintenances are complete, we will discuss the best and soonest time to schedule the downtime needed on PC NA to perform the actual rollbacks and subsequently, unlock all remaining accounts.

          I doubt it'll be today tbh i'd absolutely love it if it was but its probably wednesday if we are lucky.

          They didn't say it would be today for the second down-time, and neither did I.
          "expect it to occur early next week" (which is now this week) is what Gina said on Friday the 19th.

          Pretty sure you did and you edited your message.........

          but oh well ill give you the benefit of the doubt :) still hopefully it is wednesday or something and not friday....or another week without eso, i miss my elves man :/
          Edited by xclassgaming on April 22, 2024 12:00PM
          Give us clannfear mounts!
        • Rowjoh
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          I want a Warthog mask motif

          Maybe it'll help increase my DPS and get more kills in PVP

        • Grizzbeorn
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          xclassgaming wrote: »
          Pretty sure you did and you edited your message.........

          Oh [snip], I corrected a typo. "Needs" to "Needed."

          [edited for profanity bypass]
          Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 22, 2024 4:14PM
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          • Jordan_Black
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            When I heard about the extent of what happened last Monday, I thought to myself, if I were Matt Firor or Rich Lambert or whoever is making this decision, I'd say, "We need to compensate the innocent testers to the point where people who didn't get locked out *just about* wish they were." I'd say the nail was hit on the head.
          • Elsonso
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            Mike71 wrote: »
            PrincessOfThieves wrote: »
            I think the problem is not that the compensation is too OP, it's just that the event itself is very underwhelming. I am sure that when they announced the compensations, many people thought "I'd rather be banned for a week than grind these damn geysers for 50 more hours".
            And yeah it would be awesome if they gave some endeavors to everyone, not just those affected. Maybe not 16k, but let's say 8k :)

            I think you're linking two completely different events here. Like many others.
            Firstly, the anniversary event.
            Secondly, blocking the accounts.

            ZOS linked them when they handed out Jubilee items as compensation (payment) for being locked out, and increased the length of time of the event by two days for players affected by the server down time.

            That means that the "small chance" drop rates that players are finding frustrating, on all servers, is also now linked with the lockouts on the PC server. ZOS has not bothered to reply to that situation.

            Even though the scale is significantly worse for the people who are still locked out, and have no date as to when that might change, these things can no longer be separated.

            Just to be clear... I agree with the compensation (payment) ZOS has offered for those who were, and are, locked out.

            (Updated to hopefully assist with machine translation)
            ESO Plus: No
            PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
            XBox EU/NA: @ElsonsoJannus
            X/Twitter: ElsonsoJannus
          • mikejezz
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            Eldartar wrote: »
            TDVM wrote: »
            Their statement:
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            I agree with the rest, with the exception of 16k thousand Seals of Endeavor, don't you think that 16k is a lot? considering that the players have only been in the bathhouse for a few days and how long does it take to collect such an amount? Why not change this number to 8k? What do you think about this?

            I think they "deserve" as much as they can get.. .. .. ..

            Agreed

            Lets give them a lifetime of eso+ and give them everything that can be purchased on the crown store for free.
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