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PTS Update 40 - Feedback Thread for Infinite Archive

ZOS_GinaBruno
ZOS_GinaBruno
Community Manager
This is the official feedback thread for Infinite Archive. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:
  • What level were you when you went through Infinite Archive?
  • Did you play solo, with a companion or with another player?
  • What Stage, Cycle, and Arc did you reach?
  • Which bosses were the toughest?
    • Which Cycle and Arc did you fight the boss on?
  • Which Verses did you find the most and least effective?
  • Which Visions did you find the most and least effective?
  • Did you use any Portals to the Unknown?
    • Which side content did you do?
    • Did you feel adequately rewarded?
  • Did you use any Verse Scrolls?
    • If so, how effective were they?
    • Would you use them again?
  • Did you have fun?
  • Do you have any other general feedback?
Edited by ZOS_Kevin on December 17, 2023 9:26PM
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  • SasserClubb
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    Well I waited 10 minutes and finally got a chest use unstuck to travel back to the beginning then use portal. The chest should show up for you
    Edited by SasserClubb on September 19, 2023 4:23AM
  • TheImperfect
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    I only did a little because it's late but enjoyed it a lot. PTS is not on my primary server so solo on a level 30 sorceror in trash gear. Completed cycle 1. Love the design of the areas and the fights so far are fun. Like the flame aura verse and the bubble shield (forget the name). Tried portal to unknown with a puzzle to get to the other side - late and tired so did not get across. I don't feel I did enough yet to give extensive feedback, except to say it's a fun concept and design of areas are beautiful and the potential rewards on the vendors look exciting.

  • Cireous
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    Not seeing those 71 furnishing plans on either vendor. Or all the books. Confused. :o
  • Bluxx
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    Yolnahkriin is letting a run get Stuck.
    Legenden in vier Wänden

    Bluxx Kaiserlicher DK Tank: Tick-Tack-Peiniger, Unsterblicher Erlöser, Greifenherz, Gottschlächter, Bote der Morgenröte.

    Potl-For-Everyone Dunkelelf Templer DD: Bote der Morgenröte

  • couriersix
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    The Warrior has a poorly telegraphed one shot mechanic I struggled with, especially with the amount of adds he summons. I have noticed that a lot of the raid boss fights feel tuned for two players, instead of one.
    PC / NA - cp 1000+ - EP magicka necro.
  • J18696
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    anyone else feel like the marauders are like vastly harder than any actual bosses in this arena
    PC NA Server
    @J18696
    Characters
    Pridē - Dragonknight
    Vanıty - Arcanist
  • J18696
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    i felt like the marauders at least for solo runs difficulty is very jarring for how early they appear in the arcs i can usually deal with the first marauder that appears in arc 2 but the 3nd arc marauder gothmau deals way to much dmg for me todo anything nearly always results in a thread cut has me feeling like i should just run around in tank gear just incase the bloody thing shows up and swap into dmg on bosses and the dragons can be abit finicky for the size of the arena more likely to die from getting pushed off the map then anything
    Edited by J18696 on September 20, 2023 1:35AM
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    @J18696
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    Pridē - Dragonknight
    Vanıty - Arcanist
  • J18696
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    code65536 wrote: »
    I got to stage 4 4 1. I was fighting a boss named Rakkhat who just kept wiping the floor with me. I was with a companion only. I fought a few boss fights but never got one of the new set pieces. I didn't feel the rewards were worth the effort. I can't see many casual players doing this endless dungeon. The boss fights ( Rakkhat especially ) are just too hard. The hardcore end-game players already have arenas and dungeons galore. It's disappointing that because of difficulty being too high and rewards too low most casual players will never see this content. Bosses need tuning down a little ( Rakkhat ) and rewards need a massive buff.

    I was using a one-bar heavy attack Sorc. About 1200 champion points.

    Rakkhat is a trial boss, and he has pretty punishing mechanics. For people who are familiar with the Maw of Lorkhaj trial, the mechanics will seem familiar and approachable, but I can definitely see it being a problem for folks who do not have that prior experience.

    We faced Rakkhat as the Cycle 4 boss of Arc 4 and wiped once because for some reason I failed to process the name and was thinking "Lord Warden" (probably because I was running ICP a bunch during the Undaunted Event), so I was slow to react to the center void and by the time I realized my mistake, it was too late. That center void ticks very quickly and has no red telegraph (true, it's inky black, but here in Apocrypha, we've been training to not fear inky black so much), so someone who hasn't completed MoL before would most likely die to that as well.

    On the next pull, we drew on our prior experience so we knew how to handle all the mechanics (e.g., standing on the golden pads, turning the gun away from my partner, kiting the meteors), but we still had a death when my partner was knocked off the platform to his death by Rakkhat's Threshing Wings. I expect anyone who has no prior experience with Rakkhat will likely fall victim to that as well, since it even gets people who do have prior experience. Yea, you can figure it all out even if you have no prior experience. But how many threads will that take? In contrast, another Cycle 4 boss that we faced was Laatvulon, and his mechanics were considerably more straightforward.

    Speaking of Laatvulon, I did die to him in Arc 2 because I stood too close and was apparently in his aura AoE. The boundaries of his AoE are a bit fuzzy, and unlike the Sunspire dragons, they do not produce a red ring telegraph to warn you when you stand in it. I didn't notice the damage from this AoE because, for a bracing tank, the damage was mild and easily masked by my self-healing (plus, this was only Arc 2). "But if the damage was so mild that you couldn't notice it, why did you die?" Well, I learned last night that after taking enough ticks, the AoE will just 1-shot you with a 100K penalty tick. :D

    A trial boss? Well, that explains a few things. Thanks for the explanation. I guess I just don't understand how most casual players will be able to do this, myself included. The rewards seem so low for the effort required. I had 800 of the new currency when I was done getting my behind kicked. Saving up enough to get anything would be like beating my head against a brick wall for hours on end. I guess this is like trials and arenas just another mechanic for end-game players only.

    Yeah you will get everything from overworld dungeon trial bosses with their mechanic's adjusted for duo/solo able but if you dont understand the mechanics it can just brick wall some players
    PC NA Server
    @J18696
    Characters
    Pridē - Dragonknight
    Vanıty - Arcanist
  • kojou
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    What level were you when you went through Endless Archive?

    Both of us were ~2300 CP

    Did you play solo, with a companion or with another player?

    With another player.

    What Stage, Cycle, and Arc did you reach?

    We made it to 4, 5, 2

    Which bosses were the toughest?

    The Arc end boss was by far the toughest. We also wiped on Magma Incarnate on Arc 2. We went in as 2 DPS just to see how far we could get without a tank, and the Arc end boss on Arc 2 was it. :smile: I think we could get past him with a bit more understanding and preparation though. We went in cold with regular 12 person "raid" DPS builds, so we didn't expect to be optimized.

    Which Cycle and Arc did you fight the boss on?

    We fought the Magma Incarnate on Arc 2, but I don't remember the cycle. Even on Arc 1 the end boss was by far harder than anything we fought up to that point.

    Which Verses did you find the most and least effective?

    I generally didn't like the utility ones and the defense ones all seemed a bit weak. The one that buffed Alliance skills damage seemed a bit useless, since there are not many skills besides Caltrops that would be useful in there.

    Which Visions did you find the most and least effective?

    Visions in general seemed to be pretty good.

    Did you use any Portals to the Unknown?

    Yes, 2.

    Which side content did you do?

    We did the goat/sweet role one and the quest for the pages

    Did you feel adequately rewarded?

    Short answer, No.

    Long answer, we spent roughly an hour in there and got one set piece and 3300 of the currency, which lets you buy another set piece. If you compare that to a trial at 45 minutes or less, or DLC dungeon also 45 minutes or less, you can expect at least 3 armor pieces and 1 weapon or jewelry piece for a total of 4 pieces of gear (not including chests). Given that if we had run with a combination that was more survival oriented and less DPS oriented, then we would have spent a longer amount of time to get the same reward.

    I feel like the Cycle bosses should either drop enough of the currency to buy a non-curated drop, or drop a curated body set piece, while the arc boss should limited to drop jewelry or a weapon. This would at least put it inline with dungeons and trials in terms of reward. The currency distribution is a bit to low and infrequent to not get any gear until the end of an arc in my opinion.

    Did you use any Verse Scrolls?

    No

    If so, how effective were they?

    N/A

    Would you use them again?

    N/A. I think I would start using defense ones in later levels, but we got so little points I didn't want to spend them on that in early stages.

    Did you have fun?

    Mixed feelings. I was ok in general with the concept, but it really felt like the pace was a bit slow overall, and the individual rounds were really short, which gave kind of a weird dynamic. I think I would prefer longer rounds, but less of them, or a boss fight after every "Stage" to increase the reward rate. One problem, in my opinion, was that we would get a cool "Verse" but the stage would be over so fast we wouldn't really get to see it work, and then we would select another one.

    I don't know what kinds of things the development can change at this stage in terms of the design, but I think I would prefer if we could keep verses until the end of a cycle if we want, or change them at the end of a stage if we don't like the one we have. Selecting a new verse almost felt like an annoyance in and of itself after a while when the stages are so short.

    Do you have any other general feedback?

    The boss fights varied wildly in difficulty and the randomness is both good and bad. The Mage from AA was one of the more difficult and interesting boss fights, but for some reason we got her 3 times. Tremorscale on the other hand, we got once and we nuked almost instantly and it performed no mechanics. I think I would like it better if the algorithm for which boss took into consideration if you already had a boss and made it much less likely to get that boss again, until you have done all the other ones.
    Playing since beta...
  • XSTRONG
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    Im curious if anyone have opened a material container yet?

    If so how much mats did you get? 1 container costs 3000 currency if I remember correct.
  • kojou
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    code65536 wrote: »
    BTW, the little endian format for Stage-Cycle-Arc feel like a very odd and jarring choice. For the most part, humans treat numbers as big endian, from most to least significant. Two hundred and fifty-six is written as 256, not as 652. We say that the time is 2:56, not 56:2. Your change is 2 dollars and 56 cents, not 56 cents and 2 dollars.

    Please fix this. Thanks.

    This threw me off at first too. I agree.
    Playing since beta...
  • OolongSnakeTea
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    What level were you when you went through Endless Archive?
    CP 2000+

    What Stage, Cycle, and Arc did you reach?
    I was forced to stop by my 3rd Cycle with Yolnakrin. He died, then there was no chest or portal spawn.

    Which bosses were the toughest?
    The Weaping Woman's telegraphs were not well excuted, very faint- even with my adjustments.

    Which Cycle and Arc did you fight the boss on?
    Yolnakrin. He was defeated, but forced to stop due to bug.

    Which Verses did you find the most and least effective?
    Anything related to 'regen on kills'- to much juggling with finding an add that died to get the benfit (as a solo player)

    Which Visions did you find the most and least effective?
    They seemed alright, nothing crazy but at least each option made sense.

    Did you use any Portals to the Unknown?
    One. Butcher room. very cute.

    Which side content did you do?
    None

    Did you feel adequately rewarded?
    No. Reward vs grind even as ESO+ feels like a pain. Either make the curated boxes cheaper, or add more currency drops.Or just more other non-currency drops (I Only got 1 non-currency drop my entire runs). Table feels a bit to rough.

    Did you use any Verse Scrolls?
    No. I don't think it'll be effiecent to either, becasue of the cost vs the need of currency stack for boxes/goodies.Maybe if they dropped as a freebie I'd be incline to use them.

    Did you have fun?
    Yes! Some bosses (encounter bugs) def put a damper on my stride, and called it a night. But its to be expected for Week 1 I suppose!

    Do you have any other general feedback?
    Several of us were having problems with dragons not properly telegraphing their attacks (Laatvulon, Yolnakriin, Mulaamnir). They fly up, and not show their breath trails or much else- so you kind have to guess - which at like later in a run can be dangerous.

    The end rewards at the end of the run seemed not very great for the scale vs effort either. And how much grind it'll be to get say the mount, pet, and other cosmetic rewards. Defeating the replicant twice and only getting 2 of the ichor seemed like how much effort solo that one put it- was kinda disapointing with how hard it can get to that point.
    "I try to create sympathy for my characters, then turn the monsters loose."– Stephen King



  • OtarTheMad
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    I’ll answer more in depth after a few more runs but I am having fun despite the low rewards and new currency grind. Rewards need to be more frequent for sure.

    Also, bosses that have huge AOE’s or one shot mechanics should be reworked a bit. I don’t mind those mechanics but these need some changing. I faced The Serpent, which is a trials boss and the fight never lasted long because I would just get one shot like 10 secs after that sword dropped. This was in Arc 1. I didn’t know what to do because I tried killing the sword, died immediately to one shot. I tried ignoring the sword, died quick to one shot. I checked for a synergy or press X mechanic… nope… died to one shot. I ran out of time again so I just logged.

    The other boss I had issues with was Taupezu Azzida, a world boss. They have a giant lightning AOE that, after a while, is hard to stay out of so you just end up dying to that and adds. Now, I could have beaten them eventually but I ran out of time and had to log out.
  • couriersix
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    What level were you when you went through Endless Archive?
    CP 1000+ Necro, with my vMA build (Medusa's, False Gods, Pale Order)
    Did you play solo, with a companion or with another player?
    Solo
    What Stage, Cycle, and Arc did you reach?
    Kept getting stuck on cycle 4 boss due to either bosses being too difficult or a glitch
    Which bosses were the toughest?
    The warrior and Baron Zaurdrus, they just summon too many adds for the average solo player to deal with while fighting the boss and have too powerful of attacks. If I had more lives I could likely take longer to figure them out but as they are, they're just too punishing for a solo player and are probably much easier with a duo
    Which Cycle and Arc did you fight the boss on?
    Cycle 4
    Which Verses did you find the most and least effective?
    Most effective - the ones that increase your healing, damage, etc
    Least effective - The ones that summoned a pet or made you stand in an AOE
    Which Visions did you find the most and least effective?
    Most effective - the ones that increase your damage / healing / etc by a percentage
    Least effective - the one that increases experience gained
    Did you use any Portals to the Unknown?
    Yes
    Which side content did you do?
    Had to solve a puzzle to get across a black pool
    Fought the duelist
    Got turned into a watcher (but the abilities were unclear)
    Did you feel adequately rewarded?
    No
    Did you use any Verse Scrolls?
    No
    If so, how effective were they?
    N/a
    Would you use them again?
    N/a
    Did you have fun?
    Sometimes, but I found getting stuck to be very frustrating
    Do you have any other general feedback?
    The adds in the cycles were too easy and the bosses need to be tuned for solo players.
    PC / NA - cp 1000+ - EP magicka necro.
  • Elvenheart
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    Based on the comments above I’m worried about how much work it will take to buy a single furnishing item. I’m not asking that they be given away for nothing but if several items are desirable I’d like to be able to finish a house before 2028 😂
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