kringled_1 wrote: »Uh...there isn't a shared dps API, so the question isn't meaningful.
DPS can be shared via Hodor, which uses map pings to do that. There's no specific API support for this.
CMX you can infer other people's dps from group dps as a whole (which afaik is measured against boss health). Again, no api support.
Logs shares but it's not part of the addon API.
kringled_1 wrote: »Uh...there isn't a shared dps API, so the question isn't meaningful.
DPS can be shared via Hodor, which uses map pings to do that. There's no specific API support for this.
CMX you can infer other people's dps from group dps as a whole (which afaik is measured against boss health). Again, no api support.
Logs shares but it's not part of the addon API.
Ok, Whether with or without an API, why doesn't Zenimax solve this problem by disabling DPS sharing? Players don't need to see each other's DPS to understand how to improve their mechanics or why they are dying. Seeing only their own DPS will be enough to determine if it's sufficient or not.
Logs are welcome to help players find areas where they need to improve their mechanics, and they are essential for helping other players as well. However, there isn't even one valid reason to share DPS. Not even one.
What's the point of sharing your amazing 100k DPS if the group wipes because you can't enter the tomb? In vCR, how does sharing DPS help if the group wipes because i didn't swap bars? If people can use logs to understand why the group wiped, then how does sharing DPS help with understanding the mechanics involved, and how does it teach mechanics to others?
Dps sharing is completely opt-in with Hodor. Also dps checks do exist. And people are judged off of their ability to do mechanics, their amount of deaths, and if their dps is high “enough”. It’s not just dps. The only thing with dps sharing is dps tend to get competitive amongst those who share but again, it’s opt-in.
SickleCider wrote: »For what it's worth we don't have any of these fancy tools on console and we still find ammunition to bully each other with.
Dps sharing is completely opt-in with Hodor. Also dps checks do exist. And people are judged off of their ability to do mechanics, their amount of deaths, and if their dps is high “enough”. It’s not just dps. The only thing with dps sharing is dps tend to get competitive amongst those who share but again, it’s opt-in.
Then lets to ask Zenimax to completely remove all forms of DPS sharing. And we can focus on using game logs and mechanics to help those who need it. This would give everyone, especially those who struggle with rotations, a chance to play the game without harassment, bullying, or jokes.
If Zenimax were to remove all forms of DPS sharing, I would be very glad to see any kind of nerf to any build, skill, or class.
I'd just report the harassers and go on with my day. You have nothing to be embarrassed about if you have low dps. There's always some sweaty fool who tries to belittle others but mute/block him and go enjoy yourself.
Again, it literally wouldn’t do anything. If people don’t want to share their dps in Hodor they can just not opt-in. If people don’t want to share their dps in logs then don’t turn anonymous mode off and run a common class. If people don’t want to have their dps inferred… well that can happen in 4man even without a single sharing of dps.
kringled_1 wrote: »Uh...there isn't a shared dps API, so the question isn't meaningful.
DPS can be shared via Hodor, which uses map pings to do that. There's no specific API support for this.
CMX you can infer other people's dps from group dps as a whole (which afaik is measured against boss health). Again, no api support.
Logs shares but it's not part of the addon API.
Ok, Whether with or without an API, why doesn't Zenimax solve this problem by disabling DPS sharing?
I'd just report the harassers and go on with my day. You have nothing to be embarrassed about if you have low dps. There's always some sweaty fool who tries to belittle others but mute/block him and go enjoy yourself.
"My rotation is really bad, so I don't play with Dragonknight because of my low DPS. I have a Necromancer, but no one lets me join trials\dungeons because of my low DPS. I don't play my Warden because others shame me for my low DPS, even though I like the class. I don't play Sorcerer because players say I need to use pets to have more DPS, and they prefer other Sorcerers over me. I don't play Templar either because of my low DPS and inability to make rotations."
* If Zenimax completely removes all DPS sharing, no one will see how bad my DPS is, i can play with any class and I can focus on not dying and doing mechanics. And belive me, i know all the mechanics of every single trial and almost every dungeon, so I can be a valuable asset to any group if Zenimax removes all DPS sharing. What's more beautiful than this?Again, it literally wouldn’t do anything. If people don’t want to share their dps in Hodor they can just not opt-in. If people don’t want to share their dps in logs then don’t turn anonymous mode off and run a common class. If people don’t want to have their dps inferred… well that can happen in 4man even without a single sharing of dps.It is important to ensure that players with real-life disabilities or those who struggle with rotations are not excluded from joining groups solely based on their low DPS. In addition, there is no need for anyone to know about their disabilities. Noone have too! These players should not feel obligated to plead with others, saying 'please let me join.' and asking for pitty.
- If all other players from the group have anonymous disabled, they will find out in the logs who doesn't have enough DPS.
- We all know that for harder content such as HM/Trifectas, you need Discord and in Discord you will share your parse or you will not go anywhere.
- For joining any prog group you have to enable anonymous and you're forced to share your DPS
@tomofhyrule, @Dr_Con, @kringled_1
I understand all your points, but none of them really address my question or the topic's motives.
How bad would it be if Zenimax completely disable DPS sharing? How bad will this be for groups or players with real-life disabilities or those who struggle with rotations?
kringled_1 wrote: »What specific sharing are you asking to be disabled? Without that, answering your question isn't meaningful. Most of what I suspect you're experiencing as negative feedback/comments in content is probably much more a result of people inferring your dps, not sharing. And I don't know how that's avoidable except by only doing solo content.
@tomofhyrule, @Dr_Con, @kringled_1
I understand all your points, but none of them really address my question or the topic's motives.
How bad would it be if Zenimax completely disable DPS sharing? How bad will this be for groups or players with real-life disabilities or those who struggle with rotations?
I can tell why it's unfair for those players. Just because they can't execute perfect rotations, they are denied the opportunity to experience the same sense of accomplishment as everyone else who completes challenging content. And the reason they are often excluded is because they are considered 'bad' players and they are considered 'bad' players because they don't have DPS and everyone see that. However, they are not bad players because they lack the same level of skill as others. They are simply not as physically able to perform at the same level and because they are "forced" to share DPS, they are 'bad'.
@tomofhyrule, @Dr_Con, @kringled_1
I understand all your points, but none of them really address my question or the topic's motives.
How bad would it be if Zenimax completely disable DPS sharing? How bad will this be for groups or players with real-life disabilities or those who struggle with rotations?
the dps meters aren't bad to people with real life disabilities, it's other people who are bad to people with real life disabilities. if you take away the metrics you take away peoples ability to improve or see how well they are doing given a certain circumstance.
@tomofhyrule, @Dr_Con, @kringled_1
I understand all your points, but none of them really address my question or the topic's motives.
How bad would it be if Zenimax completely disable DPS sharing? How bad will this be for groups or players with real-life disabilities or those who struggle with rotations?
the dps meters aren't bad to people with real life disabilities, it's other people who are bad to people with real life disabilities. if you take away the metrics you take away peoples ability to improve or see how well they are doing given a certain circumstance.
I 100% disagree. People only use DPS sharing to determine who has good and bad rotations. It serves no other purpose. You will not be able to help me in any way by seeing my DPS. If I told you that my parse is only 55k, I am certain you could give me many tips to help me improve, but you don't need to see my DPS.
You need to see my DPS to avoid me (or anyother player). Nothing more!
Is there anything else you need to know about a player's life?Also, I disagree that people don't need to know about your disability, if it's going to affect the group
This is what I need to understand: why?Thus, it's perfectly in order that trifecta/HM groups require DPS shares.
Now they have to ask for pity as well?Unfortunately, you might have to do a little more work looking for the right guild to play with, or at least have a friend who can carry you with great DPS if that's needed, while you try to provide more support.
No, you cannot imagine how bad it is, and I cannot imagine it either. However, you and I can imagine how good it would be if we didn't need to talk about it.Honestly, I believe most people would be at least a little more understanding if you immediately told them "disabled person here, but I'm doing my best". I imagine it's not nice to go around saying it, but it can be very important at times.
Again? Is there anything else you think we should discuss about players lives?P.S.: you don't need to tell everyone in the group, just the raid leader/guild master.
It does not matter actually since you can log the fight and upload to a certain website to check it out. I mean you can of course still appear anonymous, but there are lots of variables in this game that can identify you that you are this anonymous guy in logs. So either this log system should all together go along with your suggestion or nothing going to happen.
If this happens i personally thing that it will affect game badly. Logs are perfect way to improve and detect what is wrong or can be changed.
[*] What I'm asking in this topic is to understand why I need to share my DPS with anyone to have the opportunity to join vKA HM prog team. Why? Why do you, me, or any other player, need to know how much damage I do inside a trial or dungeon?