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Free Deadlands DLC
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Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
Permanent until the game ends. BTW - if defined as a community event/goal, it should include the entire community, not just Blackwood owners, and people who don't sub. Define it correctly, don't offer big hype mystery gift bull pucky. That is the problem. Since I sub, I get the dlc anyway. No point in participating.Edited by Sirona_Starr on October 4, 2021 10:03PM13 -
Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »Kalik_Gold wrote: »I'm THANKFUL....
I do own every chapter, and paid for every DLC with Gold. Now I don't have to spend another 150k gold.
Sub is renting - Buying it is owning.
When the servers go dark and the game ends, renting or owning becomes irrelevant.
When it's just eso+ going dark you can still enjoy the free dlc from the reward!
What I meant by dark is when they shut down the servers at end of game life. Hope that clarifies the lack of difference between renting and owning.Edited by Sirona_Starr on October 4, 2021 10:06PM0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
Permanent until the game ends. BTW - if defined as a community event/goal, it should include the entire community, not just Blackwood owners. Define it correctly, don't offer big hype mystery gift bull pucky. That is the problem. Since I sub, I get the dlc anyway. No point in participating.
Sure there is! Come join us in Blackwood and win permanent access to the dlc while the servers are still running! All Blackwood owners are welcome!Edited by kmcaj on October 4, 2021 10:05PM1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
And please stop saying the players “own” it, they don’t. There is no difference between renting or “owning” for the player who has stopped playing eso.
It’s not like I can “resell” it to other players, so I don’t really own it do I? Can I put it on a shelf? Carry it around in my wallet? What if my account gets banned. Can I request they transfer my “owned” dlc to my new account?
For players who only will play eso with an active eso+ there is no gift here. The best people can do here is come up with scenarios where maybe sometime in the future they still will have access to it if they cancel their eso+ yet still continue to play eso for some reason.
And for long term players who consistently support the game monthly that is of little comfort.17 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.15 -
Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
Permanent until the game ends. BTW - if defined as a community event/goal, it should include the entire community, not just Blackwood owners. Define it correctly, don't offer big hype mystery gift bull pucky. That is the problem. Since I sub, I get the dlc anyway. No point in participating.
Sure there is! Come join us in Blackwood and win permanent access to the dlc while the servers are still running! All Blackwood owners are welcome!
I own Blackwood, and already have permanent access to the DLC because I permanently sub. When I quit the game, I won't have access to the Blackwood purchase, nor the DLC rent. Nor will I if the game shuts down permanently. At any rate, the rent/buy thing is just nonsense. A COMMUNITY event with a hugely hyped mystery goal rewarding the community turns out to be not that. False advertising.
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by [Deleted User] on October 5, 2021 12:06AM8 -
trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
There is an explicit discrimination. You only get the reward if you own Blackwood. If you don’t you get nothing. That fits the very definition of discrimination. One group of players is getting something that others will not.
Non-discrimination would be if the DLC was given out to every player or those who logged in 21 days for daily rewards like Murkmire.6 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
And please stop saying the players “own” it, they don’t. There is no difference between renting or “owning” for the player who has stopped playing eso.
It’s not like I can “resell” it to other players, so I don’t really own it do I? Can I put it on a shelf? Carry it around in my wallet? What if my account gets banned. Can I request they transfer my “owned” dlc to my new account?
For players who only will play eso with an active eso+ there is no gift here. The best people can do here is come up with scenarios where maybe sometime in the future they still will have access to it if they cancel their eso+ yet still continue to play eso for some reason.
And for long term players who consistently support the game monthly that is of little comfort.
Well of course this reward is going to be useless to those who don't play the game. As it should be! But to those with Blackwood, while the servers are running, your account is not banned, and you are not concerned whether you can carry the reward around in your pocket and/or wallet or that reward is account bound, you can win permanent access to some great free dlc. Even if you have eso+.0 -
Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
There is an explicit discrimination. You only get the reward if you own Blackwood. If you don’t you get nothing. That fits the very definition of discrimination. One group of players is getting something that others will not.
Non-discrimination would be if the DLC was given out to every player or those who logged in 21 days for daily rewards like Murkmire.
Which then also ^^ fits the definition of a community reward/goal.3 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »Sirona_Starr wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.
Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers
Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+
Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.
You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.
There is an explicit discrimination. You only get the reward if you own Blackwood. If you don’t you get nothing. That fits the very definition of discrimination. One group of players is getting something that others will not.
Non-discrimination would be if the DLC was given out to every player or those who logged in 21 days for daily rewards like Murkmire.
Which then also ^^ fits the definition of a community reward/goal.
Just buy Blackwood on sale and come win some free dlc with us!0 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is no difference between renting or “owning” for the player who has stopped playing eso.
There's a difference in the amount of money spent. But I get what you mean.
However, judging by some of the threads that have appeared in the forums from time to time, there are certain subscribers who think of their subscriptions as some sort of weapon in the sense that they talk about cancelling their subscriptions and encourage other subscribers to do the same "to send ZOS a message." Some of those players might want to continue playing ESO despite cancelling their subscriptions.
Also, people's financial situations do change. Subscribers who find themselves needing to cancel their subscriptions to cut down on expenses due to changes in their finances might want to continue playing.
Not everyone who subscribes to ESO Plus does so for the same reason, and not everyone who cancels their subscription to ESO Plus does so for the same reason.
Subscribers who aren't happy about this event reward have a right to feel however they wish to feel, but they shouldn't feel like they're speaking for all subscribers, because they don't.
And speaking purely for myself, as someone who subscribes but also buys the DLCs in the Crown Store-- and buys some of them twice, or on two different servers-- I feel like I'm paying more to play the game than the people who subscribe but never buy any DLCs, and I think this reward is a great thing.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.
No hype!!! Best reward yet, maybe Murkmire, can't really say for sure yet, but still awesome!!! Glad you are over being upset about getting free dlc and can now enjoy some free dlc. Sometimes gifts can be overwhelming.1 -
Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭"now I'm coming to gobble you up" said @kmcaj
Edited by Nord_Raseri on October 4, 2021 10:38PMVeit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.1 -
jad11mumbler✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.
No hype!!! Best reward yet, maybe Murkmire, can't really say for sure yet, but still awesome!!! Glad you are over being upset about getting free dlc and can now enjoy some free dlc. Sometimes gifts can be overwhelming.
Personally at this point I'd rather have no reward from this event instead of the deadlands dlc, and "extra bits".
More so considering I've already completed the dlc on the PTS, 'for free'. That said, the dlc itself isn't as "great" as people are hyping it up to be. It's a small, standard zone dlc with nothing to go back to after you complete the story. The zone certainly isn't "incredible" as zos called the reward.Edited by jad11mumbler on October 4, 2021 10:46PM174 characters and counting over 13 accounts.
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✭jad11mumbler wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.
No hype!!! Best reward yet, maybe Murkmire, can't really say for sure yet, but still awesome!!! Glad you are over being upset about getting free dlc and can now enjoy some free dlc. Sometimes gifts can be overwhelming.
Personally at this point I'd rather have no reward from this event instead of the deadlands dlc, and "extra bits".
More so considering I've already completed the dlc on the PTS, 'for free'. That said, the dlc itself isn't as "great" as people are hyping it up to be. It's a small, standard zone dlc with nothing to go back to after you complete the story. The zone certainly isn't "incredible" as zos called the reward.
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kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »jad11mumbler wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.
No hype!!! Best reward yet, maybe Murkmire, can't really say for sure yet, but still awesome!!! Glad you are over being upset about getting free dlc and can now enjoy some free dlc. Sometimes gifts can be overwhelming.
Personally at this point I'd rather have no reward from this event instead of the deadlands dlc, and "extra bits".
More so considering I've already completed the dlc on the PTS, 'for free'. That said, the dlc itself isn't as "great" as people are hyping it up to be. It's a small, standard zone dlc with nothing to go back to after you complete the story. The zone certainly isn't "incredible" as zos called the reward.
If the event fails and somehow The DEADLANDS DLC isn’t unlocked, Itrackdemon5512 wrote: »jad11mumbler wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.
No hype!!! Best reward yet, maybe Murkmire, can't really say for sure yet, but still awesome!!! Glad you are over being upset about getting free dlc and can now enjoy some free dlc. Sometimes gifts can be overwhelming.
Personally at this point I'd rather have no reward from this event instead of the deadlands dlc, and "extra bits".
More so considering I've already completed the dlc on the PTS, 'for free'. That said, the dlc itself isn't as "great" as people are hyping it up to be. It's a small, standard zone dlc with nothing to go back to after you complete the story. The zone certainly isn't "incredible" as zos called the reward.
If the event fails and somehow The DEADLANDS DLC isn’t unlocked, I gain nothing nor lose anything thanks to ESO+.
You would lose the free dlc unlock. Come on now. Be a team player.Edited by kmcaj on October 4, 2021 11:17PM0 -
jad11mumbler✭✭✭✭✭You would lose the free dlc unlock. Come on now. Be a team player.
Wouldn't matter for permanent subscribers. We'll have it unlocked until we stop playing anyway, and if we really want it? We can buy it with our crowns from the subscription.
Either way, for us, this is not a reward.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm being a team player and my team are getting nothing, while the other team is hyping up a small zone dlc as a great gift from their gods.Edited by jad11mumbler on October 4, 2021 11:22PM174 characters and counting over 13 accounts.
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✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »jad11mumbler wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.
No hype!!! Best reward yet, maybe Murkmire, can't really say for sure yet, but still awesome!!! Glad you are over being upset about getting free dlc and can now enjoy some free dlc. Sometimes gifts can be overwhelming.
Personally at this point I'd rather have no reward from this event instead of the deadlands dlc, and "extra bits".
More so considering I've already completed the dlc on the PTS, 'for free'. That said, the dlc itself isn't as "great" as people are hyping it up to be. It's a small, standard zone dlc with nothing to go back to after you complete the story. The zone certainly isn't "incredible" as zos called the reward.
If the event fails and somehow The DEADLANDS DLC isn’t unlocked, Itrackdemon5512 wrote: »jad11mumbler wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »I wasn't real happy, but I'm over it. I would like that ZOS NOT overhype the next time. That's all.
No hype!!! Best reward yet, maybe Murkmire, can't really say for sure yet, but still awesome!!! Glad you are over being upset about getting free dlc and can now enjoy some free dlc. Sometimes gifts can be overwhelming.
Personally at this point I'd rather have no reward from this event instead of the deadlands dlc, and "extra bits".
More so considering I've already completed the dlc on the PTS, 'for free'. That said, the dlc itself isn't as "great" as people are hyping it up to be. It's a small, standard zone dlc with nothing to go back to after you complete the story. The zone certainly isn't "incredible" as zos called the reward.
If the event fails and somehow The DEADLANDS DLC isn’t unlocked, I gain nothing nor lose anything thanks to ESO+.
You would lose the free dlc unlock. Come on now. Be a team player.
What team is that? Being an ESO+ subscriber? I have nothing to lose or gain? Being a Blackwood owner? Then what about those that don’t buy the Chapter? Are they not being team players?
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Nothing valuable at least.
Though there's no chance the community won't hit 100% by the end of the event.Edited by jad11mumbler on October 5, 2021 12:28AM174 characters and counting over 13 accounts.
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✭What if we don't get to 100%?
It's a marketing gimmick, the completion has no real connection to player involvement, it's just a gimmick to promote player involvement. The blowback, if you did this legitimately and players didn't meet the requirement, would negate it's marketing value and actually push it into a deficit.--- HuntGod ---
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✭I feel intentionally mislead and deceived with the announcement of a extra surprise for the Bounties of Blackwood event... hmmmm
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✭✭✭✭✭James-Wayne wrote: »I feel intentionally mislead and deceived with the announcement of a extra surprise for the Bounties of Blackwood event... hmmmm
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Well, in general, CoC applies to those who play the game -- not those who make it. Really, ZOS can do anything they want to do - because it's their game AND they are the ones providing the service. Read the ToS and EULA. It doesn't matter how much money anyone spends on the game - there's no actual rights involved on the consumer side. Once one agrees to the ToS and EULA, there's no recourse to the consumer.
I was - disappointed. But - I agreed to the documents in order to play the game (and yes, I read them in full). So being somewhat annoyed IS my only option. And yeah, I'm done with it. As I said, the only thing I want in future is no more overhype.... That was a very shoddy situation, and a very low blow.
If I were not having fun in the game, yes, I'd be gone and never return - which is exactly what happened with WoW (quit in 2013, never been back) and RIFT (quit in 2016 and never been back). However, ESO provides me a lot of fun for very little money. So I'm still here, because the fun factor is still very high for me.
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✭✭✭I honestly wonder if some people in here eat sugarcoated rainbows for breakfast. Have you even been on PTS? The zone really doesn't really have anything great. After a short while it will be just another abandoned zone you only see during events. I honestly, wholeheartedly do not take people serious if they call this DLC (or Murkmire, and that one has BRP) the greatest gift to the community. At this point it just looks like you're joking and I'm not just saying that because I'm an angry ESO+ player. You really find this pathfinding a better event than slaying dragons to save animals?!
And still: in my opinion a surprisingly great mystery community reward should actually benefit the community.
Just give my 'free' DLC to another player. I honestly don't care.
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✭✭I think this particular hyped "Mystery" reward is a huge miss, especially if their point was to give people a reason to not migrate to the new MMO that just released. Since I have ESO+, this reward does nothing for me, and I have been sitting on 12 tickets for months because there hasn't been a single event reward I feel is worth getting... I am not participating. That said, I have no doubts the "community" will move the bar to 100% and "earn" the DLC, regardless of how many participate.9 -
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✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?
As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.
agreed
there seems to be a couple player camps:
- Non ESO+ players - they just got a brilliant reward and will be delighted.
- ESO+ Players who are delighted for other players/guildies getting a reward and thinking about the community and happy they got a little bit of content
- Other players who just play and enjoy, they dont mind either way.
- Some players who are little disappointed they didn't get the reward they thought they would get but haven't taken it personally.
And then we have the few misery and entitled champions who are outraged at the clear conspiracy targeting their right to get what they think they should get. But you get that in every online mmorpg, misery always seeks out misery
Idk.... while this post is "positive" it seems a little bit like some of the biased polls where all of the "acceptable" choices are saying that what occurred is fine and anyone who is upset is unreasonable and their feelings are invalid. This is not a good way to have an open and honest conversation. Phrasing like "brilliant reward" and "delighted for other players" are building up a biased view/argument that isn't very tolerant of other views. If there are folks who are outraged it doesn't mean they are necessarily buying into conspiracy theories or entitled or selfish. It doesn't mean that they aren't delighted for others if they feel the situation was mishandled. You can have more than one emotion. Hinting that they are certainly isn't going make them open to your viewpoint, either. :P
For example, say I typed a paragraph which stated "There are four kinds of people: people who love dogs, people who love cats, people who love both dogs and cats, and people who don't like dogs or cats." I could also type a paragraph which stated "There are four kinds of people: people who treasure lovable, affectionate dogs, people who laugh at their sneaky, aloof cats, people who enjoy both dogs and cats, and people who inexplicably prefer to be alone rather than interacting with adorable animals." In the first sentence, people in all "camps" would most likely feel that the discussion was a safe space where all views could be in the conversation without judgment. With the second sentence, people who don't enjoy dogs and cats might be hesitant to speak out as to why, and in addition cat people might be hesitant to even be fully positive about their cats, because while the statements are all largely positive, there are weighted words and implied conclusions throughout the sentence.
Regardless, I would say I'm not in any of those camps. I would say that I am a player who sees a larger perspective and has concerns that the negative viewpoints on this event weren't anticipated and course corrected such that we could have avoided this community angst altogether, given the fact that in the grand scheme of things it would likely cost ZOS very little to adjust how this was worded so that everyone could be happy. It potentially indicates a larger carelessness and myopic view of decision makers which doesn't bode well for other decisions that may come down the pike later, and ultimately affects us all, since this is an MMO and we need many happy community members for a functional game. MMOs don't usually die with a mass exodus, they die with slow dribs and drabs of people leaving. Some of you may think that this is not a big deal, but I think we all should care about the fact that others do feel like this, because at some other point in time a decision may be made that bothers you, and I'm sure you then would like other voices to help make your point to ZoS.
Also, I would say this event was a miss whether I was a subscriber or not, because even if I'm not currently subscribing I'm able to see how this whole situation might be a let down for subscribers. I could quit the game tomorrow and have no direct vested interest in the outcome of a community event from a player perspective, and I would still see why this was not handled in an ideal way. The way I see it, more happy players is better for all of us. If there are two perspectives that are in DIRECT conflict - for example, some people want PvP cut from the game and some people only care about PvP - well then obviously you can't please both of those "camps." But ensuring there was a tangible reward for a community event that would be equally useful to subscribers and non-subscribers, in addition to giving out the DLC to non-subs... that perspective harms absolutely no one. It wouldn't take anything away from the excitement of the people getting the DLC, and therefore it was a missed opportunity. There's no downside to advocate for this type of thinking from ZoS in the future so it seems to me that we all win by supporting these ideas when they occur. Why is anyone trying to suppress, reverse, or trivialize the people who are pointing this out? If they are successful, we all win!Sirona_Starr wrote: »When I first read the web posting about the Blackwood Event I would SWEAR it contained the listing of 3 things you could get if you achieve the 100% regarding pathfinder. It also said there would be a mystery gift available and unveiled at the end of the year. I re-read the article the day before the event. It was the same. Other people have mentioned the mystery gift, so I don't think I was hallucinating. That being said, the current event post is quite different. It actually only says you get the Deadlands DLC at 100%.
I have subbed for years. I mention the above because I decided after re-reading the day before the event, to go all out for that mystery gift, feeling some nostalgia for the Summerset event where everyone got the Psijic Villa for free. It was something no one had or bought/paid for at the time. I achieved pathfinder 18 times on the NA server and 10 times on the EU server.
When I went to check the metre a couple days after the event started, Deadlands DLC was listed at 100%. I thought that was odd, but was still under the impression something else big would follow at the end of the year......... and no....... I was wrong.
NO WAY would I have put in that time/effort to get pathfinder 28 times to help get something I already paid for. LIke why, what for???????
I was miffed at the Murkmire giveaway, but at least it wasn't "hidden" in a community "goal" mystery gift, and then revealed.
Really awful move ZOS. Super disappointed, and angry, as someone who subs. If I did "hallucinate" the first posting of the web page, well, I'm a moron. If I didn't, I'm still a moron. Thanks for absolutely nothing. Will not make that mistake again. >:(
This write-up is a good example of why this whole thing was a miss. One of the most limited currencies I have is my time. I never have enough time. I think we all like to believe that when we dedicate time towards an activity, that it is for something that we perceive has value. Of course donating your time to charity, or even to help others in a video game, happens frequently, but when we do this, we want to choose to do it! Not work towards something and find out later that you don't benefit from it. This would be like if you worked an 8 hour day, on a holiday, and at the end of the day you were told that your paycheck would be donated to someone else. You might choose to do this, but to have someone decide it for you, after you worked that full day when you might have needed the money to feed your kids or you turned down spending the holiday with a loved one in town for a visit... it wouldn't be right.
There are lots of people who would gladly help the community work towards something others don't have, even if they have it already, but if you have limited time it needs to be clear from the beginning that this is the situation because we all manage our time and our priorities and nobody has enough time to do things solely for the benefit of others 24/7/365. We have to take care of ourselves (and dependents) as well. I know that for myself, I only can play a couple of times a week and I choose carefully what I do in that play session. If I had spent one of my Saturday mornings helping this event instead of running dungeons or getting a character to Tier 1 in PvP or leveling a new toon and then later found out that there was no reward of any value to me... that would actually disappoint me more than the perspective that it wasn't of value to me because I was a subscriber. Those would be 3 - 4 hours of in game progress I couldn't reclaim. And like I said, my time is a very limited resource!14 -
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✭There's an awful lot of 'strawman' arguments about ESO+ members going on in this thread, apparently we're 'entitled', 'angry', 'upset that someone's getting something for free', that we already get 'loads of free stuff but feel entitled to more'. I have not seen a single post saying that a person doesn't think the DLC should be given away, not one.
1) I am not entitled, I saw the advertising hype and was keen to see the prize. The prize was underwhelming for many of us.
2) I am more than happy that other people will get the DLC for free and am still participating in the event.
3) The DLC giveaway is a CHEAP prize, compare how many Crowns a DLC costs to a house/mount/polymorph, ZoS aren't exactly lavishing riches upon non ESO+ members.
4) IT IS NOT FREE you have to BUY Blackwood to get it, now if you were going to buy Blackwood anyway, great! And ofc, Blackwood is on sale, but you still HAVE to make a purchase to access the DLC.
5) If they hadn't hyped this up so much it likely wouldn't have been an issue (yeah some would complain, but then some always do).
6) I don't get any of the ESO+ perks for free, I PAY for those, so what do these comments mean that we want more 'free' stuff on top of the 'free' stuff we already get?
7) Megalithic corporations are not your friend, they don't do anything out of the kindess of their hearts, this was just a campaign to sell more copies of Blackwood, which is fine ofc they're a business, but the marketing and hype backfired imo.
They should've just given the damn DLC away to EVERYONE and not made it seem like some massive and wonderful benevolence on their part. The charity event was much more fun and engaging, it felt worthwhile, whether you liked the rewards or not, should've done that again imo.
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kaushad✭✭✭✭Where are you getting all of this "hype"? The first time I heard any of this was an announcement in the launcher carousel that said something like "find out out how to get the Deadlands DLC free".
I mean I assume that the event was announced ahead of that, but they weren't exactly putting it on billboards and buses.Edited by kaushad on October 5, 2021 3:03PM0
