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Free Deadlands DLC
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »[race options] x [class options] x [mag VS stam VS hybrid options] - clearly MORE than 18, and that doesn't count alt-o-holics like me.
I was thinking of a slightly different calculation logic that would go like 24 hours / 18 characters = 80 minutes to play each character every day (and that does not even count sleep, body hygiene, meals, maintenance times and loading screens). Let alone side stuff like work, spouse, kids...
I know some people like to have all kinds of combinations of characters "ready"; I like to play them... play them all...newtinmpls wrote: »IF the majority of players don't sub THEN the reward is quite directly applicable.
Given the amount of info ZoS alludes to getting from their various metrics, the fact that this was offered, strongly implies that the majority of players do NOT subscribe.
... which, in my opinion, is to be expected in a game with an optional sub. Also, I think it makes sense to consider that subbed players are more likely to stay no matter what whlie non-subbed players are more likely to quit between chapters - with the risk of never coming back. Hence the usefulness to promise them an extra dish on the plate to make them wait and/or make sure they come back.Khaleesi8688 wrote: »At this point I am more irritated by the fact that those who are disappointed are constantly getting spoken down to [...]But we are seeing folks actively denigrating anyone who dares to criticize the event.
"Oh yes, we're divided, that is so soo soooooo bad... but of course the ones who disagree with me are the ones to blame".
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on October 11, 2021 7:51PM0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khaleesi8688 wrote: »At this point I am more irritated by the fact that those who are disappointed are constantly getting spoken down to and insulted by others in the community during the community event.
I haven't seen much of that at all? I have seen a lot of disagreeing but only a little insulting?? IDK maybe I missed it. But some people just don't find the complaint valid. 🤷♀️Edited by spartaxoxo on October 12, 2021 1:36AM1 -
TiaFrye✭✭✭✭✭
✭As was noted above, some people just don't understand why subs are always demand more and more stuff above what they're paying for already and free DLC situation was just a cherry on top of all these everlasting complaints.
One day something might happen, payment gets stuck or something, and you'll be grateful that you have this DLC unlocked. Maybe.2 -
mickeyx✭✭✭✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »So ideally when giving people something, you want them to be able to utilize it and be thankful for it. Here you have a situation where pretty much anyone who is participating in this event also has access to the DLC as I'm betting people who buy expansion also sub, so you are basically saying:
"Hey thanks to everyone who participated to unlock this prize, we are now going to give access to it to all the folks who didn't participate."
You also effectively devalue your subscription by adding this as free content, which I appreciate, but seems counter productive for something that is supposed to be a reward for the players and ideally promote sales.
I am amazed you didn't go with another house and place it in the Blackwood area so players would have to buy blackwood or sub to access it...
[edited for bashing]
Never heard of promotion my guy? Games often give away free content to boost player numbers and attract new blood in game. For example you can play FFXIV free all the way till latest expacs. It's called marketing.Edited by mickeyx on October 12, 2021 3:12AM0 -
RevJJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭As was noted above, some people just don't understand why subs are always demand more and more stuff above what they're paying for already and free DLC situation was just a cherry on top of all these everlasting complaints.
One day something might happen, payment gets stuck or something, and you'll be grateful that you have this DLC unlocked. Maybe.
Subs don’t “always demand more”. They are simply expressing their disappointment on something that is labeled a community reward but is in actuality just a marketing strategy to sell more copies of Blackwood and which only benefits people who do not pay a monthly fee.
Perhaps, as an experiment, ZOS could give the next “community reward” only to subscribers. Everyone should be ok with that, right?
Anyway, I’ve said it before in this thread, I would have less of an issue with it if they gave the DLC to everyone, including people who don’t own Blackwood. That would have been a real community reward.
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FluffWit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Look I don't mind them giving the casuals and newbs a free dlc, but not giving your most loyal paid customers anything is just a slap in the face.8 -
TiaFrye✭✭✭✭✭
✭As was noted above, some people just don't understand why subs are always demand more and more stuff above what they're paying for already and free DLC situation was just a cherry on top of all these everlasting complaints.
One day something might happen, payment gets stuck or something, and you'll be grateful that you have this DLC unlocked. Maybe.
Subs don’t “always demand more”. They are simply expressing their disappointment on something that is labeled a community reward but is in actuality just a marketing strategy to sell more copies of Blackwood and which only benefits people who do not pay a monthly fee.
Perhaps, as an experiment, ZOS could give the next “community reward” only to subscribers. Everyone should be ok with that, right?
Anyway, I’ve said it before in this thread, I would have less of an issue with it if they gave the DLC to everyone, including people who don’t own Blackwood. That would have been a real community reward.
Reward was given to the people who supported this game by buying a newest chapter before it's gone to DLC category and open for basically everyone who have bought most basic version of the game given the fact that we do have multiple free ESO+ events during the year.
Subs only rewards were a thing when subscription was the only support this game could have from players because you had to be subscribed to play.
And these rewards are still unavailable to anyone else but these people.
Excuse me for my doubt, but when in situation like this people bring up 'the community' it's usually nothing but populism.Edited by TiaFrye on October 12, 2021 8:04AM1 -
Maya_Nur✭✭✭✭
By the way I don't understand two things:anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »...Also, I think it makes sense to consider that subbed players are more likely to stay no matter what whlie non-subbed players are more likely to quit between chapters - with the risk of never coming back...
— Why players who bought the game and every expansion with collector's editions are called here a "FREE" players?
— And why subscribers continue to subscribe no matter what?
The first question is more rhetorical, while the second is serious. If you like the game very much, it's ok to support it even strongly, but if you are not happy anymore with what you have, just stop encouraging the wrong way of things. Isn't it quite obvious?Edited by Maya_Nur on October 12, 2021 8:37AM2 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭As was noted above, some people just don't understand why subs are always demand more and more stuff above what they're paying for already and free DLC situation was just a cherry on top of all these everlasting complaints.
One day something might happen, payment gets stuck or something, and you'll be grateful that you have this DLC unlocked. Maybe.
Subs don’t “always demand more”. They are simply expressing their disappointment on something that is labeled a community reward but is in actuality just a marketing strategy to sell more copies of Blackwood and which only benefits people who do not pay a monthly fee.
Perhaps, as an experiment, ZOS could give the next “community reward” only to subscribers. Everyone should be ok with that, right?
Anyway, I’ve said it before in this thread, I would have less of an issue with it if they gave the DLC to everyone, including people who don’t own Blackwood. That would have been a real community reward.
Just like me and everyone else in the community we got TONS of rewards, target dummy, attunable stations, keys, event chests, al the other stuff in the final reward, so the foundation for your point of view is wrong, as everyone in the community did in fact get a huge reward and it matched up the the surprise reward they advertised in the end.
This is sour grapes because non eso players got 1 single dlc that we already get for our sub (along with all the other dlc we get) this is not about altruism, it was a small segment of the eso+ players that complained because they want everything everyone else gets or a comparative value. Ironically this is not caring about the community or the fact others got an extra reward to encourage new business for ESO (which is a good thing for all) put it this way, the reward was:
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
And for those that have blackwood and not not the dlc 1 other additional item, the dlc.
hugely generous for all.
Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on October 12, 2021 10:00AM0 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't mind either way. I'd have been playing the game, event or not, anyway. I got Blackwood half price and a load of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have in-game.
What I would like is someone to give us the gist of what the DLC is about. So far all I've heard is the name, Deadlands. If it's anything like those portals in Blackwood then I'll be quickly bored of it, the same thing every time.0 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭I don't mind either way. I'd have been playing the game, event or not, anyway. I got Blackwood half price and a load of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have in-game.
What I would like is someone to give us the gist of what the DLC is about. So far all I've heard is the name, Deadlands. If it's anything like those portals in Blackwood then I'll be quickly bored of it, the same thing every time.
if you don't follow stories then not much point going through it with you.0 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »I don't mind either way. I'd have been playing the game, event or not, anyway. I got Blackwood half price and a load of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have in-game.
What I would like is someone to give us the gist of what the DLC is about. So far all I've heard is the name, Deadlands. If it's anything like those portals in Blackwood then I'll be quickly bored of it, the same thing every time.
if you don't follow stories then not much point going through it with you.
I do follow the stories, just those portals were the same thing every time and, as far as I could tell, there was no story to talk of, just kill bosses, if they hadn't already been melted, then stand and wait for the boss to spawn at the end.0 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »I don't mind either way. I'd have been playing the game, event or not, anyway. I got Blackwood half price and a load of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have in-game.
What I would like is someone to give us the gist of what the DLC is about. So far all I've heard is the name, Deadlands. If it's anything like those portals in Blackwood then I'll be quickly bored of it, the same thing every time.
if you don't follow stories then not much point going through it with you.
I do follow the stories, just those portals were the same thing every time and, as far as I could tell, there was no story to talk of, just kill bosses, if they hadn't already been melted, then stand and wait for the boss to spawn at the end.
edit, i will bite since i'm bored. your argument is equivalent to Summerset is boring because all you do at geysers is wait for the boss to kill it. Blackwood = new zone, new stories, new gear, companions. and as with every other expansion, an overland event, in this case portals.Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on October 12, 2021 10:42AM3 -
LordRukia✭✭✭✭The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.9
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_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
Is better than a house that is too big to furnish in my book.1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
Is better than a house that is too big to furnish in my book.
Then where are you going to put your target dummy or craft stations? You can’t put them in a dlc. A house to go with them would have been great.0 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
Is better than a house that is too big to furnish in my book.
Then where are you going to put your target dummy or craft stations? You can’t put them in a dlc. A house to go with them would have been great.
il put them in my other houses that are not too big to furnish?Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on October 12, 2021 11:41AM1 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »I don't mind either way. I'd have been playing the game, event or not, anyway. I got Blackwood half price and a load of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have in-game.
What I would like is someone to give us the gist of what the DLC is about. So far all I've heard is the name, Deadlands. If it's anything like those portals in Blackwood then I'll be quickly bored of it, the same thing every time.
if you don't follow stories then not much point going through it with you.
I do follow the stories, just those portals were the same thing every time and, as far as I could tell, there was no story to talk of, just kill bosses, if they hadn't already been melted, then stand and wait for the boss to spawn at the end.
edit, i will bite since i'm bored. your argument is equivalent to Summerset is boring because all you do at geysers is wait for the boss to kill it. Blackwood = new zone, new stories, new gear, companions. and as with every other expansion, an overland event, in this case portals.
I was just asking about what Deadlands is about. If you don't know, don't reply. Don't pick an argument over my opinion, [snip]
I liked Blackwood, the main quest was a bit short, but the story was good, and yes dolmens do get boring after a few hundred, but that's nothing to do with the story. I'm not even sure how you inferred I don't like the stories from my original question.
[snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 12, 2021 1:32PM3 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »I don't mind either way. I'd have been playing the game, event or not, anyway. I got Blackwood half price and a load of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have in-game.
What I would like is someone to give us the gist of what the DLC is about. So far all I've heard is the name, Deadlands. If it's anything like those portals in Blackwood then I'll be quickly bored of it, the same thing every time.
if you don't follow stories then not much point going through it with you.
I do follow the stories, just those portals were the same thing every time and, as far as I could tell, there was no story to talk of, just kill bosses, if they hadn't already been melted, then stand and wait for the boss to spawn at the end.
edit, i will bite since i'm bored. your argument is equivalent to Summerset is boring because all you do at geysers is wait for the boss to kill it. Blackwood = new zone, new stories, new gear, companions. and as with every other expansion, an overland event, in this case portals.
I was just asking about what Deadlands is about. If you don't know, don't reply. Don't pick an argument over my opinion, [snip]
I liked Blackwood, the main quest was a bit short, but the story was good, and yes dolmens do get boring after a few hundred, but that's nothing to do with the story. I'm not even sure how you inferred I don't like the stories from my original question.
[snip]
your question was disingenuous, that's why i replied.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 12, 2021 1:34PM1 -
TwinStripeUK✭✭✭For all those upset by this, I'd suggest going and playing Destiny 2 for a bit and then looking at this with a fresh pair of eyes...
Why?
Well, the entire game went free to play, including all of the DLC up until that point excluding the 'comet' release (think 'chapter' in ESO terms).
That was enough of a slap in the face to paying customers who'd been there since the beginning, however they then started 'vaulting' content...
To put this in an ESO context, imagine having paid for the Orsinium, Imperial City, Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood DLC, and then having it given away for free with the base game (for newer players, this actually happened, and nobody seemed that bothered at the time).
Now imagine that ZOS turned around a couple of years later and said 'okay, so we made you pay for it, then we gave it away for free, now we're removing it from the game entirely... hope you're okay with that (but we don't actually care if you're not, because it's happening anyway)' and then ending up with only 40% of the content left from the original game and it's DLC.
Further imagine ZOS claiming that it 'may return someday', without having any form of timescale... and then repeating this process annually so that once a DLC (including chapters) gets up to two years old, it first goes free-to-play and then disappears entirely!
Now take a fresh look at the situation...
In the grand scheme of things, giving away a single DLC is a very, VERY minor annoyance at worst, and utterly trivial at best. It would probably bug me more if I'd have gone out and bought it directly, rather than getting it as an ESO Plus sub, but even then it's not like it's all of the DLC I've paid for. Certainly as an incentive for all of those who bought Blackwood especially for the event, as well as those completely new players, it's a nice bit of marketing (and new players are the lifeblood of any MMO).
Plus, getting annoyed because it was 'given away' and you already owned it, when you were doing something you were already doing during the event (especially given that it was extremely unlikely the community wouldn't hit the targets with the number of people taking part), is just beyond ridiculous. I you really felt that strongly about it, you should have just stopped participating (although someone carrying around that degree of selfish entitlement needs to take a long hard look at themselves). It's not as if it's gone free forever - anyone joining the game as of tomorrow will still have to pay for it, the same as you did...
But some people wouldn't be happy, no matter what. I remember when ZOS ran the first such event and they gave away the Grand Psijic Villa at the end of it. The first comment I saw in the chat?
'It's not furnished - what a crap 'reward'....'2 -
Mesite✭✭✭✭Adding DLC to the base game doesn't help existing players. Imperial City can be claimed for free but even though Morrowind has been added to the base game I would still have to pay 3,500 crowns to play it, or subscribe to ESO+. I don't mind them giving away DLC but didn't people have to own Blackwood to claim it? So it is only free to people who have paid.
Also, if DLC are added to the base game they should be available for free for everyone who owns an old version of the base game.0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »I don't mind either way. I'd have been playing the game, event or not, anyway. I got Blackwood half price and a load of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have in-game.
What I would like is someone to give us the gist of what the DLC is about. So far all I've heard is the name, Deadlands. If it's anything like those portals in Blackwood then I'll be quickly bored of it, the same thing every time.
if you don't follow stories then not much point going through it with you.
I do follow the stories, just those portals were the same thing every time and, as far as I could tell, there was no story to talk of, just kill bosses, if they hadn't already been melted, then stand and wait for the boss to spawn at the end.
edit, i will bite since i'm bored. your argument is equivalent to Summerset is boring because all you do at geysers is wait for the boss to kill it. Blackwood = new zone, new stories, new gear, companions. and as with every other expansion, an overland event, in this case portals.
I was just asking about what Deadlands is about. If you don't know, don't reply. Don't pick an argument over my opinion, [snip]
I liked Blackwood, the main quest was a bit short, but the story was good, and yes dolmens do get boring after a few hundred, but that's nothing to do with the story. I'm not even sure how you inferred I don't like the stories from my original question.
[snip]
It’s a conclusion of the Blackwood storyline. Those portals you find boring were just public events, the portal “story” was pretty minimal and were just background to the deadlands overall plot.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 12, 2021 1:35PM2 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
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It’s a conclusion of the Blackwood storyline. Those portals you find boring were just public events, the portal “story” was pretty minimal and were just background to the deadlands overall plot.
Thanks. I take it playing through the new prologue will give a taste of it?
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
Is better than a house that is too big to furnish in my book.
Then where are you going to put your target dummy or craft stations? You can’t put them in a dlc. A house to go with them would have been great.
il put them in my other houses that are not too big to furnish?
Then give players a “not too big to furnish” house?
Basically your argument amounts to quibbling over the flavor of ice cream. A house, would have been better, debating on the size (or flavor) is just needlessly prolonging an argument.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
Is better than a house that is too big to furnish in my book.
Then where are you going to put your target dummy or craft stations? You can’t put them in a dlc. A house to go with them would have been great.
A house is going to be the event ticket award this year. So this year if you do all events you'll get a target dummy and some crafting stations, and house to put them in. They didn't want the reward for the quarter event to be the same thing as the reward for chapter event.1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
Is better than a house that is too big to furnish in my book.
Then where are you going to put your target dummy or craft stations? You can’t put them in a dlc. A house to go with them would have been great.
A house is going to be the event ticket award this year. So this year if you do all events you'll get a target dummy and some crafting stations, and house to put them in. They didn't want the reward for the quarter event to be the same thing as the reward for chapter event.
Look a house, crown crates, character customization tokens, whatever. The point was that they could have given eso+ sub numbers a nod.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »The psijic villa was the best thing free in the game , now that was a sick reward. A free dlc is practically useless since they are included with a sub.
attunable stations
keys
large target dummy
chest rewards
full gear sets (awesome for newer players)
furniture plans
gold
materials.
Is better than a house that is too big to furnish in my book.
Then where are you going to put your target dummy or craft stations? You can’t put them in a dlc. A house to go with them would have been great.
A house is going to be the event ticket award this year. So this year if you do all events you'll get a target dummy and some crafting stations, and house to put them in. They didn't want the reward for the quarter event to be the same thing as the reward for chapter event.
Look a house, crown crates, character customization tokens, whatever. The point was that they could have given eso+ sub numbers a nod.
I wasn't responding to that reply though? You said a house would have been a good choice, and I explained why it wasn't this time around, just in case you didn't know. Didn't want you to miss out on the house if you didn't know you're already able to get one this year.0 -
Ashryn✭✭✭✭✭Khaleesi8688 wrote: »At this point I am more irritated by the fact that those who are disappointed are constantly getting spoken down to and insulted by others in the community during the community event. Getting forgotten by ZoS is normal but having one portion of the community completely unable to empathize with another portion doesn't make me feel like the community event was a success. Just seems like zos' real surprise gift for the work together event was dividing the players.
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✭Nchuleftingth wrote: »I've been subbed since like 2016, and I'm not angry that the DLC is being given away for free.
I am disappointed that this reward is almost meaningless for anyone who is an ESO+ subscriber. ESO+ subscribers who will unsub and keep playing, are a pretty small minority. If people quit the game they will unsub, but if they ever come back they will also likely resub, so the fact that I can keep the DLC if I ever end my subscription means very little to me, and I assume this is the case for most people who are also subscribers.
I also buy the chapter each year on release, and the most recent chapter isn't included with ESO+, which means I paid a 12 month subscription for 2 dungeon DLCs and a craft bag, instead of 2 dungeon DLCs, a zone DLC, and a craft bag, so it feels like this year that I wasn't getting my money's worth, I will reiterate again that I'm not angry that the DLC is being given away for free - but I feel like I've wasted my money this year compared to the previous years. I didn't play in late 2018 so I never got Murkmire for free from the daily rewards.
The main issue is that ZOS decided to make a big deal about the "mystery reward." As again, for ESO+ subscribers, the "reward" is something that they already pay for, hence why people are disappointed.
Just my 2 cents.
I agree with everything you've said here, with the addition that I'm profoundly uninterested in the Deadlands in general. So, while there's only maybe a 2% chance at most that I would ever keep playing but unsubscribe (basically only in a financial emergency), there's maybe a .000000000000001% chance I would ever keep playing, unsubscribe, and also actually play this DLC. If I ever run out of/get bored with everything else that I actually enjoy in this game, I'd move on to a different game before I'd play this DLC, unless I, I don't know, hit my head on a rock and completely change personalities. I suppose anything could happen.
For related reasons, the "but we're already getting a free house this year" argument is also meaningless to me. I mean, yes, I will probably use my tickets to get Doomchar Plateau, just for completionism and because I can, but the odds of me ever actually using it are fairly low. I can't begin to imagine what I'd use it for. I wish we'd been able to earn a huge house or property with tickets in literally any other previous year.3 -
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✭Khaleesi8688 wrote: »At this point I am more irritated by the fact that those who are disappointed are constantly getting spoken down to and insulted by others in the community during the community event. Getting forgotten by ZoS is normal but having one portion of the community completely unable to empathize with another portion doesn't make me feel like the community event was a success. Just seems like zos' real surprise gift for the work together event was dividing the players.
Absolutely agree with this and couldn't say it better!
Well customer/client segmentation exists in marketing and we've had an 'amuse-bouche'.
I think it's a smart move for the company as it is in continuation with their other recent efforts, but from a player stand point I can just raise my arms and shoulders and say 'Hmm..'
I'll never bash anyone for their choice, but I'll debate it for sure. If anyone is giving you a hard time directly, just remember what makes you happy
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