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Free Deadlands DLC
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trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »Those with ESO+ subscriptions pay X amount of real life money with the understanding that the services provided are unique.
- An unlimited craft bag
- Access to All DLCs including the newest
- A monthly allotment of crowns
- Various XP/Gold bonuses
There is an understanding for those players that without ESO+ they would have to shell out real world cash to purchase crowns in order access a specific DLC. That without shelling out for ESO+ you actually pay more to own a specific DLC.
I could spend roughly the same amount of real world money and either get 2 months of ESO+ or get 30k crowns. 30k crowns gets me a DLC to keep as long as the servers remain up. ESO+ gets me access to a DLC while my subscription is active AND the currency to purchase it to permanently play within 2 months.
By giving away DEADLANDS you have effectively devalued the utility of a service many prepaid for. The value of the service is unaffected as the amount of crowns rewarded and access to DLCs during a subscription remain unchanged. But specifically the value of the service’s utility does diminish. And those who ZOS encouraged to purchase the product based upon the promises of such a utility are short changed.
Those who pay month-to-month are short changed the least. Those who pay months in advance, and are encouraged to do so with promises of greater discounts for doing so, are short changed the most. This is why subscribers are upset.
Renting the DLC is more expensive than owning it. It's a smaller upfront cost but in the long run it's cheaper to own.
The value in eso+ doesn't lie in the access to the DLC, it lies in all the other perks.
Incorrect. Renting the DLC is not more expensive than owning it because of how ESO+ operates. If I subscribe to ESO+ for a month I “rent” the newest DLC AND get roughly the cash value of my subscription in usable crowns. After the month is over I only need to pony up 350 more crowns to continue permanently accessing a specific zone if I did not use my crowns during the subscription.
2 months of ESO+ is roughly 30 dollars.
1 month + 750 crowns (lowest crown pack) is 23 dollars.
Buying the DLC standalone is 15 dollars.
In addition, the group who got nothing are explicitly the ones that don't let their sub lapse and thus don't have any reason to use their crowns to own the sub. If you use your crowns to buy the DLC, you have effectively been saved 1500 crowns.
To access this DLC for 1 year is 140 dollars.
To acess this DLC for 1 year by owning it, it's still just 15 dollars.
Objectively, owning the DLC is the cheapest option for accessing the DLC.
ESO+ would not be worth it at current prices if were not for the many other benefits such as the crafting bag, crowns, exp, etc. It is those benefits that make it worthwhile. If your interests were only the various DLC, you are better off owning it because it is not an ongoing cost.
2 months of ESO+ is all of the DLCs plus 3300 crowns
1 month of ESO+ is all of the DLCs plus 1650 crowns
1 month of ESO+ and getting the smallest crown pack (or if new adding the 500 crowns freely given) is 2150 to 2400 crowns.
DEADLANDS and similar zone DLC cost 2000 crowns each. Only dungeon DLCs cost 1500 crowns.
You’re wasting your cash by purchasing the DLC after one month and getting additional crowns without a membership. 2 months of all the DLC available and then owning a particular zone afterwards is a much better deal.1 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
You were not given the free DLC content, you already have it, along with all the other free DLC you have to hand. Just because you are an ESO+ subscriber does not mean you are entitled to every reward offered in game.Giving a 5 year ESO Plus subscriber a "free" dlc is a slap in the face, I'm really insulted by this.
If you have a monthly subscription with some company in any industry and you see them offer a special offer to pay as you go customers are you 'insulted'? ofc not, it happens all the time, just like pay as you go customer are not insulted with vice versa.
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no its not [snip], it happens all the time. I just looked at my tv package providers website, and it offers something to new customers for free right now that I get for my monthly fee. Your issue is trying to spin a reward for someone else into a negative for yourself when clearly that was not the intent of the developers or marketing. Their sole issue was a badly worded advert.
It is [snip]. "Work together with your fellow players to discover Blackwood's most memorable locations and you can unlock event-specific collectibles and the Deadlands DLC for anyone who owns ESO's latest Chapter." This is from the B counties of Blackwood website. ESO+ members would be getting the Deadlands DLC anyway so this is NOT anything special for us. Non members get the DLC(and I'm fine with that btw) but members get nothing.
i and many others already said the advert was poorly worded, that doesn't mean the intent was bad and worth all this vitriol.
No it really is worth all this vitriol. At least until they address it. Have they? Did I miss that?
well I'm a yearly subscriber and buy plenty on top, I Don't need any additional rewards to placate me because of a badly worded advert. Not everything in the world needs to be a drama.
Good for you.
yup, life is a lot happier that's for sure.
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Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
i and many others already said the advert was poorly worded, that doesn't mean the intent was bad and worth all this vitriol. Ask yourself, was their intent to annoy ESO+ players or was it an attempt to drum up community excitement.
Neither … the intent was to sell more copies of Blackwood.Edited by Blacknight841 on October 3, 2021 8:47PM8 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
i and many others already said the advert was poorly worded, that doesn't mean the intent was bad and worth all this vitriol. Ask yourself, was their intent to annoy ESO+ players or was it an attempt to drum up community excitement.
Neither … the intent was to sell more copies of Blackwood.
by drumming up community excitement lol. what is it with all the misery and negativity lol, its a game!2 -
JamesDax3✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
You were not given the free DLC content, you already have it, along with all the other free DLC you have to hand. Just because you are an ESO+ subscriber does not mean you are entitled to every reward offered in game.Giving a 5 year ESO Plus subscriber a "free" dlc is a slap in the face, I'm really insulted by this.
If you have a monthly subscription with some company in any industry and you see them offer a special offer to pay as you go customers are you 'insulted'? ofc not, it happens all the time, just like pay as you go customer are not insulted with vice versa.
[snip]
no its not [snip], it happens all the time. I just looked at my tv package providers website, and it offers something to new customers for free right now that I get for my monthly fee. Your issue is trying to spin a reward for someone else into a negative for yourself when clearly that was not the intent of the developers or marketing. Their sole issue was a badly worded advert.
It is [snip]. "Work together with your fellow players to discover Blackwood's most memorable locations and you can unlock event-specific collectibles and the Deadlands DLC for anyone who owns ESO's latest Chapter." This is from the B counties of Blackwood website. ESO+ members would be getting the Deadlands DLC anyway so this is NOT anything special for us. Non members get the DLC(and I'm fine with that btw) but members get nothing.
i and many others already said the advert was poorly worded, that doesn't mean the intent was bad and worth all this vitriol.
No it really is worth all this vitriol. At least until they address it. Have they? Did I miss that?
well I'm a yearly subscriber and buy plenty on top, I Don't need any additional rewards to placate me because of a badly worded advert. Not everything in the world needs to be a drama.
Good for you.
yup, life is a lot happier that's for sure.
lol, good that we are both happy._adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
i and many others already said the advert was poorly worded, that doesn't mean the intent was bad and worth all this vitriol. Ask yourself, was their intent to annoy ESO+ players or was it an attempt to drum up community excitement.
Neither … the intent was to sell more copies of Blackwood.
by drumming up community excitement lol. what is it with all the misery and negativity lol, its a game!
And did they drum up community excitement?
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wishlist14✭✭✭✭✭
✭wtlonewolf20 wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »wtlonewolf20 wrote: »You have to remember that in the state of modern video games that you don't "OWN" anything. You are paying for a license to use the software needed to access your account. They can stop that at any time. so really the difference is whether you pay for the license over time or through a one time purchase. there are advantages to both relying on ESO + and using a one time purchase.
For people who don't think like "play subbed or not play at all", purchasing (crowns) vs. renting (ESO+) the DLCs makes a real difference.
I used to sub, for a long time. During all this time, I have purchased all DLCs (not with cash, but with the crowns included in the subs). Many people used to laugh at me, like I was doing ZOS a white-knight-favor by "buying twice". They spent their sub-crowns on cosmectics and fluff (fine, their choice).
But the truth is, they are now STUCK with subbing, whereas I am free to unsub - and still enjoy 100% of the game's content.
(Yes, for anyone who has always subbed and never bothered actually buying permanent access to DLCs, the option of unsubbing and buying DLCs instead is... financially a VERY significant one).
I honestly don't disagree with you on this, This is something i actually used to do myself years ago before i realized that I wasn't actually going to unsub and still play. To the point that choose some of the longer sub models as they make more economic sense to my RL income. To people that are partially subs buying the DLCs with the ESO+ crowns makes sense.
For me it doesn't, because i won't play without a sub on my primary account. The crowns i get from the sub are that much fewer crowns i buy from the crown store. When i spend those crowns i look for value to add to the experience, not an insurance policy that i will never claim (which is what the DLC purchases really are if you are a constant sub). So i get a house, or i get a mount, or i gift something to a friend, or even sell them to others in game. The point is that its value added that is more than a safeguard.
But like i said many times now, I am happy for those that see a benefit here, i really am. I just don't see it for myself, and the incentive for me to do much for this event is low. Its probably a bad comparison, but to me it feels like that situation where a co-worker asked you for help with a key aspect of a team project, and you assist along with doing your own part, that co-worker gets a bit more credit.
I sub cos i have 12 crafters that do writs ...that crafting bag that holds all my mats is why i sub, i cant play without it.
Anyway this discussion was not about subbing it was about some of us getting gifted something we already get for free. You may not like playing eso as often as us who sub so i see how your way works for you, i honestly respect that. Im in no way disrespecting your opinions just crarifying mine. Wishing you the best on your journeys.💕🌻0 -
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✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »Let’s say I subscribe to ESO+. I get 1,650 crowns a month, 19,800 crowns a year.
Dungeon DLCs cost 1500 crowns each. Zone DLCs cost 2000 crowns each. Chapters, after they’re added to the crown store cost 3500 crowns.
A years worth of content costs 8500 crowns. Classes have cost 1500. Over the last 4 years on average it has cost 9000 crowns a year to own all content going back a year.
The cost of a notable home, the ones most often advertised through the crown store are 12000 crowns minimum. Alliance and race change tokens run 2000 crowns+. Mounts offered through the crown store run 3000 crowns+. Monster Weapon Sets run 2500 crowns. Motifs run 5000 crowns.
A crown crate runs 400 crowns. Four crates for 1500. 15 crates for 5000.
An ESO+ member that subscribes for DLC access gets nothing out of this reward. An ESO+ member who spends their crowns on DLC saves 2000 crowns. Unfortunately the number of alternative items they can spend that on is small.
Most upsetting, players who supported the Chapter at launch effectively paid $40 to $60 for 2 DLCs, one they likely were going to have access to anyways from an ESO+ subscription. Those getting the chapter now on sale get a much better deal.
The issue is that for players that have supported this game for quite some time this “bonus” really amounts to nothing. For players that subscribe this “bonus” amounts to nothing. For players that don’t subscribe this “bonus” saves them 2000 crowns which couldn’t be used for anything practical really. For new players who bought Blackwood and don’t subscribe this is all good. For players that don’t buy Blackwood they get nothing.
If this is a gift it’s really only that for a small selection of the overall ESO population. For the rest it was either already included in their play, doesn’t affect them, or worth so little that the savings are meaningless.
Marketing it as a grand reward was a serious misstep. Marketing a free notable home for the last three chapters was a much better prize. And with Murkmire previously given away for free for continued participation to ALL players it only makes this worse.
Gave you an awesome for this....well said. Thank you 😆💕🌹
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rbfrgsp✭✭✭✭✭How do you get this dlc? Is it something upcoming or something you had to do by now already? I realise this is probably mentioned at some point in the thread already but it's not in the first post and I'm not skimreading 220+ posts to find it.0
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✭How do you get this dlc? Is it something upcoming or something you had to do by now already? I realise this is probably mentioned at some point in the thread already but it's not in the first post and I'm not skimreading 220+ posts to find it.
I think you have to have Blackwood and when the current Bounties of Blackwood event reaches 100 percent completion anyone who has Blackwood gets it free.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/bountiesofblackwoodEdited by TheImperfect on October 3, 2021 10:52PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »So ideally when giving people something, you want them to be able to utilize it and be thankful for it. Here you have a situation where pretty much anyone who is participating in this event also has access to the DLC as I'm betting people who buy expansion also sub, so you are basically saying:
"Hey thanks to everyone who participated to unlock this prize, we are now going to give access to it to all the folks who didn't participate."
You also effectively devalue your subscription by adding this as free content, which I appreciate, but seems counter productive for something that is supposed to be a reward for the players and ideally promote sales.
I am amazed you didn't go with another house and place it in the Blackwood area so players would have to buy blackwood or sub to access it...
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As I understand it, Zenimax has given away a DLC before via the daily login rewards. So this is not unprecedented.3 -
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✭✭✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »So ideally when giving people something, you want them to be able to utilize it and be thankful for it. Here you have a situation where pretty much anyone who is participating in this event also has access to the DLC as I'm betting people who buy expansion also sub, so you are basically saying:
"Hey thanks to everyone who participated to unlock this prize, we are now going to give access to it to all the folks who didn't participate."
You also effectively devalue your subscription by adding this as free content, which I appreciate, but seems counter productive for something that is supposed to be a reward for the players and ideally promote sales.
I am amazed you didn't go with another house and place it in the Blackwood area so players would have to buy blackwood or sub to access it...
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As I understand it, Zenimax has given away a DLC before via the daily login rewards. So this is not unprecedented.
Daily login, not grand prize for a long event. That is different.
Fine for them to do what they want,. but hyping it as a big deal is disappointing.PC
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »Those with ESO+ subscriptions pay X amount of real life money with the understanding that the services provided are unique.
- An unlimited craft bag
- Access to All DLCs including the newest
- A monthly allotment of crowns
- Various XP/Gold bonuses
There is an understanding for those players that without ESO+ they would have to shell out real world cash to purchase crowns in order access a specific DLC. That without shelling out for ESO+ you actually pay more to own a specific DLC.
I could spend roughly the same amount of real world money and either get 2 months of ESO+ or get 30k crowns. 30k crowns gets me a DLC to keep as long as the servers remain up. ESO+ gets me access to a DLC while my subscription is active AND the currency to purchase it to permanently play within 2 months.
By giving away DEADLANDS you have effectively devalued the utility of a service many prepaid for. The value of the service is unaffected as the amount of crowns rewarded and access to DLCs during a subscription remain unchanged. But specifically the value of the service’s utility does diminish. And those who ZOS encouraged to purchase the product based upon the promises of such a utility are short changed.
Those who pay month-to-month are short changed the least. Those who pay months in advance, and are encouraged to do so with promises of greater discounts for doing so, are short changed the most. This is why subscribers are upset.
Renting the DLC is more expensive than owning it. It's a smaller upfront cost but in the long run it's cheaper to own.
The value in eso+ doesn't lie in the access to the DLC, it lies in all the other perks.
Incorrect. Renting the DLC is not more expensive than owning it because of how ESO+ operates. If I subscribe to ESO+ for a month I “rent” the newest DLC AND get roughly the cash value of my subscription in usable crowns. After the month is over I only need to pony up 350 more crowns to continue permanently accessing a specific zone if I did not use my crowns during the subscription.
2 months of ESO+ is roughly 30 dollars.
1 month + 750 crowns (lowest crown pack) is 23 dollars.
Buying the DLC standalone is 15 dollars.
In addition, the group who got nothing are explicitly the ones that don't let their sub lapse and thus don't have any reason to use their crowns to own the sub. If you use your crowns to buy the DLC, you have effectively been saved 1500 crowns.
To access this DLC for 1 year is 140 dollars.
To acess this DLC for 1 year by owning it, it's still just 15 dollars.
Objectively, owning the DLC is the cheapest option for accessing the DLC.
ESO+ would not be worth it at current prices if were not for the many other benefits such as the crafting bag, crowns, exp, etc. It is those benefits that make it worthwhile. If your interests were only the various DLC, you are better off owning it because it is not an ongoing cost.
2 months of ESO+ is all of the DLCs plus 3300 crowns
1 month of ESO+ is all of the DLCs plus 1650 crowns
1 month of ESO+ and getting the smallest crown pack (or if new adding the 500 crowns freely given) is 2150 to 2400 crowns.
DEADLANDS and similar zone DLC cost 2000 crowns each. Only dungeon DLCs cost 1500 crowns.
You’re wasting your cash by purchasing the DLC after one month and getting additional crowns without a membership. 2 months of all the DLC available and then owning a particular zone afterwards is a much better deal.
We aren't talking all the dlc, we're talking about deadlands. And specifically, we are talking about people who won't use their crowns to buy the dlc.
You are right, I did mistake the dungeon dlc price for the regular dlc price.
So that's 25 dollars to play deadlands this year vs 139 dollars. It is still cheaper to own deadlands.
When you factor in all of the dlc, the membership does have a lower upfront cost. But because it's an ongoing cost, it is still a cheaper deal to own the dlc.
A person who has been playing for years would need to buy the Chapter, 2 dungeons, and the DLC every year rather than renting to access it. That's 40 dollars for the chapter and then 5000 crowns for all the dlc (2x dungeon dlcs at 1500 each is 3000 crowns, 2000 crowns for the small dlc is 5000 crowns). That's another 40 dollars.
This means it's 80 dollars each year to get ALL of the content releases for that year vs 139 dollars to access them all with ESO+. And then to access the old ones the following year, it's another 139 dollars. Meanwhile there is a 0 dollar cost to access those old ones you already own the following year. Every year that passes increases the cost to access that dlc on eso+ versus just owning it.
Now a new player coming it will much more expensive because they have to play catchup with all those previous years. So there's a higher upfront cost, so eso+ is cheaper. There are bundles and such to help them though.
Elsweyr (3500 crowns), Year One (4k crowns) and the Morrowind year (3500 crowns) all have bundles. Summerset year and Greymoor year don't so that's another 10k crowns (5k crowns each).
10,000+ 3500 + 4000 + 3500 = 21k crowns to own all the dlc and then 60 bucks more for all the chapters (buying the latest chapter sans discount gives access to all previous chapters). That is 169 dollars to own all the dlc outright. And it's 139 dollars for 1 year of eso+.
However on year 2 of owning all of those old dlc, it's 139 dollars for eso+. And it's 0 dollars for ownership.
So in your first year, it's cheaper to own eso+ because of the high upfront cost of owning all of the dlc. But on year two, it's cheaper to own the dlc. Because to continue to own all dlc moving forward it is 80 dollars (new chapters only) per year versus 139 dollars per year (still paying for previous years chapters and new chapters).
ESO+ is not cheaper for owning all the dlc in the long-term. It's less expensive upfront but then gets more expensive long-term because it is an ongoing cost.
This is why ESO+ adds additonal value to it besides just dlc ownership, such as the craft bag, crowns, extra exp, etc. When you add in all the perks, THAT is what makes it worth it to subscribe rather than own.
And this year, ESO+ subscribers who use their crowns to buy DLC were saved 2000 crowns, a 25 dollar value.
The people who are eso+ subs who don't spend their crowns on dlc and don't play unsubscribed got 0 dollar value from the promotion. Nothing was taken as they still have access to Deadlands, the type of access has merely been upgraded for free. But nothing was given either since they would have still had access either way.
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✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
by drumming up community excitement lol. what is it with all the misery and negativity lol, its a game!
And did they drum up community excitement?
I can tell you one thing, I'm not doing anything for this stupid mystery prize. I stopped progress on my accounts the moment I found out what the prize was. In my guilds I heard more people say that, since I play mostly with permanently subbed players.
I would actually find it funny (and a statement) if the bar wouldn't hit 100%, but let's be honest... the progress bar probably isn't real because it would be the worst marketing ever if it would fail.
People can complain about misery and negativity, but don't forget that it's permanently ESO+ subscribers that have a pretty stable flow of actual cash going into the game. It's not forbidden to be negative if we figure out the BiG mYsTeRy PrIzE is of no value for us at all.12 -
rbfrgsp✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
I'm not buying products from this company for the time being. The advertised services are too far from the goods received for me to put real-world money into it.6 -
Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭When I first read the web posting about the Blackwood Event I would SWEAR it contained the listing of 3 things you could get if you achieve the 100% regarding pathfinder. It also said there would be a mystery gift available and unveiled at the end of the year. I re-read the article the day before the event. It was the same. Other people have mentioned the mystery gift, so I don't think I was hallucinating. That being said, the current event post is quite different. It actually only says you get the Deadlands DLC at 100%.
I have subbed for years. I mention the above because I decided after re-reading the day before the event, to go all out for that mystery gift, feeling some nostalgia for the Summerset event where everyone got the Psijic Villa for free. It was something no one had or bought/paid for at the time. I achieved pathfinder 18 times on the NA server and 10 times on the EU server.
When I went to check the metre a couple days after the event started, Deadlands DLC was listed at 100%. I thought that was odd, but was still under the impression something else big would follow at the end of the year......... and no....... I was wrong.
NO WAY would I have put in that time/effort to get pathfinder 28 times to help get something I already paid for. LIke why, what for???????
I was miffed at the Murkmire giveaway, but at least it wasn't "hidden" in a community "goal" mystery gift, and then revealed.
Really awful move ZOS. Super disappointed, and angry, as someone who subs. If I did "hallucinate" the first posting of the web page, well, I'm a moron. If I didn't, I'm still a moron. Thanks for absolutely nothing. Will not make that mistake again. >:(16 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »When I first read the web posting about the Blackwood Event I would SWEAR it contained the listing of 3 things you could get if you achieve the 100% regarding pathfinder. It also said there would be a mystery gift available and unveiled at the end of the year. I re-read the article the day before the event. It was the same. Other people have mentioned the mystery gift, so I don't think I was hallucinating. That being said, the current event post is quite different. It actually only says you get the Deadlands DLC at 100%.
No, it still talks about the ESO nesting dolls prize. The "cascading bounty box" is dodgy though, since it sounds like it is based on RNG, and we all know that RNG does not work in the player's favor. (Edit: outside of the sumo training dummy and the crafting station)Edited by Elsonso on October 4, 2021 1:13PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
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Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »When I first read the web posting about the Blackwood Event I would SWEAR it contained the listing of 3 things you could get if you achieve the 100% regarding pathfinder. It also said there would be a mystery gift available and unveiled at the end of the year. I re-read the article the day before the event. It was the same. Other people have mentioned the mystery gift, so I don't think I was hallucinating. That being said, the current event post is quite different. It actually only says you get the Deadlands DLC at 100%.
No, it still talks about the ESO nesting dolls prize. The "cascading bounty box" is dodgy though, since it sounds like it is based on RNG, and we all know that RNG does not work in the player's favor.
It doesn't talk about the mystery gift anymore, it flat out says Deadlands. That's my point. If I had read the website AFTER the event started (I presume that's when they changed it), I would not have done Pathfinder 28 times, (which took awhile, especially on EU with 10 toons, some of them new). AKA - I have no motivation to participate in this community event at all, because I sub and will get access to the DLC anyway.10 -
Melliott247✭✭If this was a marketing ploy then it has backfired IMO.
It has annoyed many of the players who pay for ESO+ AND have payed for the latest expansion (rather than waiting for the content to be added to ESO+ next year).
It would have made sense for ESO+ members to get some free crowns instead.
This is the equivalent of going all inclusive at a hotel and then getting a free drinks voucher as a hyped up mystery prize.11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »That's my point. If I had read the website AFTER the event started (I presume that's when they changed it), I would not have done Pathfinder 28 times,
I wouldn't have done it regardless, but that's because I'm a cynic who has always assumed that Marketing has pre-determined what levels to update the progress bar to, in order to drum up the most excitement for the 'contest'. And that it reaching 100% is pre-determined to happen, because the contest failing would be bad press.
Which is why I've participated in previous events, but only at a basic level. (like getting pathfinder on 1 or 2 guys, if I hadn't had it already.)4 -
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✭✭✭✭jad11mumbler wrote: »This is a community reward, be thankful! Some of you might want to consider thinking not about yourselves, but instead be thankful for other people. All of us are potentially going to be able to play out the rest of this year together.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I think that's really of cool.
A community reward that only rewards non subscribers, leaving a large chunk of the community unrewarded, disappointed and unhappy.
I'd be thankful for other people if zos at least gave deadlands away to everyone and not just blackwood owners.method__01 wrote: »the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?
1st of all you don't own content even if you are a sub player you don't own it until you buy it in the crown store aka real money and honest I think it is nice that gave away for free and yes I have been sub to this since release back in 2014.
2nd everyone gets equal treatment with this gift for we all well own and the keyword here is owning.
As a sub player, you don't own any content and it is clear to say so if you read the agreement for as soon as you stop sub you will not have DLC the only thing you will have is basic game and expansion you pay for with real money but not DLC.
It even says in-game as well both in the crown store and under DLC/content tab.
Technically even when you buy the DLC you don't own any content in eso. All you are doing is buying a license to access said content, a license ZOS can revoke.3 -
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✭✭✭wtlonewolf20 wrote: »jad11mumbler wrote: »This is a community reward, be thankful! Some of you might want to consider thinking not about yourselves, but instead be thankful for other people. All of us are potentially going to be able to play out the rest of this year together.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I think that's really of cool.
A community reward that only rewards non subscribers, leaving a large chunk of the community unrewarded, disappointed and unhappy.
I'd be thankful for other people if zos at least gave deadlands away to everyone and not just blackwood owners.method__01 wrote: »the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?
1st of all you don't own content even if you are a sub player you don't own it until you buy it in the crown store aka real money and honest I think it is nice that gave away for free and yes I have been sub to this since release back in 2014.
2nd everyone gets equal treatment with this gift for we all well own and the keyword here is owning.
As a sub player, you don't own any content and it is clear to say so if you read the agreement for as soon as you stop sub you will not have DLC the only thing you will have is basic game and expansion you pay for with real money but not DLC.
It even says in-game as well both in the crown store and under DLC/content tab.
Technically even when you buy the DLC you don't own any content in eso. All you are doing is buying a license to access said content, a license ZOS can revoke.
I thought that was the case with pretty much every software since... well, the inception of software.
You don't purchase software, you purchase the right to use said software for as long as the T&Cs - of which the publisher is for all intents and purposes the sole arbiter - are met.1 -
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✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »what's actually happening is an 'I am entitled as I have ESO+' in effect caused in part by people assumed they were getting a big reward (advertising was ambiguous and could have been clearer). I also pay yearly in advance plus purchases, and i'm happy if others get gifts, i don't lose anything, and gain a small few extras. My ESO+ gives me crafting bags and ALL DLC for free (not just one) plus quite a few other benefits
Think of it this way, A company offers a monthly contract over a year for a tv and film package, it offers additional content over and above what pay as you go customers would get for the same period. 6 months later the company offers a special offer to pay as you go customers that gives access to a bunch of films that were previously only available for purchase or with the contract. Monthly contract owners have lost nothing and are not entitled (or even expect) some kind of compensatory reward.
Actually you would be surprised, behind the scenes a company that does such a promotion, depending on its customer base, will likely receive complaints about the promotion.0 -
Melivar✭✭✭As an ESO+ member since my first week of playing the game I was disappointed when I finally had a chance to review the year end information as I couldn't watch the year end stream. I think it's great that those who can't or won't pay for ESO+ will get the DLC for free but there should have been something for the ESO+ supporters as well.
Sure there are lots or benefits to ESO+ but then there is also the huge detriment of not being able to run a random vet dungeon as it seems 80% of the time it is a DLC dungeon that will often fall apart immediately or 30 minutes later after its clear the group won't finish.
I just canceled by ESO+ which will run out just after Christmas as I was on a 3 month sub that just renewed. I will grind out what I can and get my inventories in order between now and then for the possibility that I won't pick the sub back up going forward. If I decide not to resub I will likely also wait until the next chapter goes on sale before purchasing it versus buying the collectors version with all the extra things I rarely use.
Luckily I have enough gold and crafting supplies in my bag to last me a long while as I will continue playing as I still enjoy the content and my guild and running events with them just may not support the game in the same fashion that I have in the past. There are also free ESO+ events where I can catch up on things I might miss.6 -
Ashryn✭✭✭✭✭As an ESO+ member since my first week of playing the game I was disappointed when I finally had a chance to review the year end information as I couldn't watch the year end stream. I think it's great that those who can't or won't pay for ESO+ will get the DLC for free but there should have been something for the ESO+ supporters as well.
Sure there are lots or benefits to ESO+ but then there is also the huge detriment of not being able to run a random vet dungeon as it seems 80% of the time it is a DLC dungeon that will often fall apart immediately or 30 minutes later after its clear the group won't finish.
I just canceled by ESO+ which will run out just after Christmas as I was on a 3 month sub that just renewed. I will grind out what I can and get my inventories in order between now and then for the possibility that I won't pick the sub back up going forward. If I decide not to resub I will likely also wait until the next chapter goes on sale before purchasing it versus buying the collectors version with all the extra things I rarely use.
Luckily I have enough gold and crafting supplies in my bag to last me a long while as I will continue playing as I still enjoy the content and my guild and running events with them just may not support the game in the same fashion that I have in the past. There are also free ESO+ events where I can catch up on things I might miss.
Indeed, I am considering this as well!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Melliott247 wrote: »If this was a marketing ploy then it has backfired IMO.
It has annoyed many of the players who pay for ESO+ AND have payed for the latest expansion (rather than waiting for the content to be added to ESO+ next year).
It would have made sense for ESO+ members to get some free crowns instead.
ESO Plus members get a ton of benefits just from subscribing. A no-Crown-cost something every month and discounts beyond that in the Crown Store. Crowns for each month subscribed. DLC while subscribed. It may be a false hope, but my expectation is that the bulk of the ESO Plus players don't even care.
My personal view is that anyone who is so outraged about this that they cancel their ESO Plus was not going to stick around for long, anyway. I mean, when people total everything up, and that adds up to a justification for ESO Plus, then it must be very close to the line if this tips the scales.
This is why I think that the bulk of ESO Plus subscribers don't care enough about this to make an issue over it. There can't be that many people sitting right on the fence.
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✭Giving DLC away is a big thing. It's bigger than free house, mount or anything. Yes, it usually will cost you same 2k crowns but more people buy DLCs than mounts or expensive houses. That's why it's cheaper than them. Plus, it's the second time in game's history when story DLC is given away for free. So advertisement was completely fair. It is a grand prize.
As for it not being in 'log-in rewards': Murkmire was remade from an adventure zone and was a long time coming thing. Plus argonians, not the most popular race. Plus, it being after Summerset grand arc finale, one DLC away from new model of year long stories already in development.
Deadlands is a different case.
What's so hard to understand? Jeez.Edited by TiaFrye on October 4, 2021 3:36PM5 -
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✭The day when dollars and calculations take over gameplay
For me, a subscription seems to be the best way to support a game and I'd like it to be only that.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BladedMischief wrote: »It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.
It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.2