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Free Deadlands DLC

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  • kmcaj
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    BladedMischief wrote: »
    It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
    As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.

    As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.

    It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.

    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.
  • JJOtterBear
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    I am happy for all those who will receive the DLC.

    [Edit to remove bait]
    Edited by [Deleted User] on October 4, 2021 6:18PM
  • Katheriah
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?
  • Elsonso
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    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.
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  • kmcaj
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    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    I bought Blackwood and now I get the continuing dlc as a free reward. Now get off the forums and onto those pathfinder achievements!
  • Lady_Galadhiel
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    I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
  • Blacknight841
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.
  • orgin_stadia
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    Hehe, the irony of this free gift is epic :)
  • kmcaj
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    Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »
    I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

    Not really.
  • _adhyffbjjjf12
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    agreed :) there seems to be a couple player camps:

    - Non ESO+ players - they just got a brilliant reward and will be delighted.
    - ESO+ Players who are delighted for other players/guildies getting a reward and thinking about the community and happy they got a little bit of content
    - Other players who just play and enjoy, they dont mind either way.
    - Some players who are little disappointed they didn't get the reward they thought they would get but haven't taken it personally.

    And then we have the few misery and entitled champions who are outraged at the clear conspiracy targeting their right to get what they think they should get. But you get that in every online mmorpg, misery always seeks out misery :)
    Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on October 4, 2021 7:19PM
  • trackdemon5512
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    BladedMischief wrote: »
    It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
    As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.

    As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.

    It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.

    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    Great Gift For:
    - New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
    - Non ESO+ subscribers

    Meaningless Gift For:
    - Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+


    Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
    - Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?
  • kmcaj
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding them with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!
    Edited by kmcaj on October 4, 2021 7:24PM
  • _adhyffbjjjf12
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    trackdemon5512 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    BladedMischief wrote: »
    It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
    As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.

    As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.

    It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.

    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    Great Gift For:
    - New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
    - Non ESO+ subscribers

    Meaningless Gift For:
    - Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+


    Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
    - Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?

    the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol
    Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on October 4, 2021 7:27PM
  • _adhyffbjjjf12
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding them with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    sums it up perfectly.
  • kmcaj
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    _adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
    trackdemon5512 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    BladedMischief wrote: »
    It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
    As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.

    As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.

    It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.

    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    Great Gift For:
    - New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
    - Non ESO+ subscribers

    Meaningless Gift For:
    - Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+


    Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
    - Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?

    the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult.

    The reward targets every Blackwood owner. That's why it's such a great reward for the Blackwood event.
  • Blacknight841
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Eso plus members can say they don’t feel upset, or they are happy for those that benefit from it all they want … it doesn’t change the facts from above.
    Edited by Blacknight841 on October 4, 2021 7:45PM
  • _adhyffbjjjf12
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Actually we all benefit from the event rewards, but if you don't have the dlc yet then you get an extra bonus
  • kmcaj
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Eso plus members can say they don’t feel upset, or they are happy for those that benefit from it all they want … it doesn’t change the facts from above.

    But now you will own it. Regardless. Fact. (Assuming you own Blackwood and the community is victorious otherwise you'll have to continue renting access or purchase with crowns or work out a trade)
    Edited by kmcaj on October 4, 2021 7:53PM
  • trackdemon5512
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    _adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Actually we all benefit from the event rewards, but if you don't have the dlc yet then you get an extra bonus

    I pay for HBOMax. Say HBO decides to give everyone who sees The Many Saints of Newark the digital ability to watch all of The Sopranos whenever they use the app, regardless of the subscription.

    I’m still paying full price for HBOMax. What did I gain here?

    Now apply that to this situation with Blackwood and DEADLANDS.
  • kmcaj
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    trackdemon5512 wrote: »
    _adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Actually we all benefit from the event rewards, but if you don't have the dlc yet then you get an extra bonus

    I pay for HBOMax. Say HBO decides to give everyone who sees The Many Saints of Newark the digital ability to watch all of The Sopranos whenever they use the app, regardless of the subscription.

    I’m still paying full price for HBOMax. What did I gain here?

    Now apply that to this situation with Blackwood and DEADLANDS.

    I hear it's good if you're a Sopranos fan like myself. Did you see it yet?
  • wolfie1.0.
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Melliott247 wrote: »
    If this was a marketing ploy then it has backfired IMO.

    It has annoyed many of the players who pay for ESO+ AND have payed for the latest expansion (rather than waiting for the content to be added to ESO+ next year).

    It would have made sense for ESO+ members to get some free crowns instead.

    ESO Plus members get a ton of benefits just from subscribing. A no-Crown-cost something every month and discounts beyond that in the Crown Store. Crowns for each month subscribed. DLC while subscribed. It may be a false hope, but my expectation is that the bulk of the ESO Plus players don't even care.

    My personal view is that anyone who is so outraged about this that they cancel their ESO Plus was not going to stick around for long, anyway. I mean, when people total everything up, and that adds up to a justification for ESO Plus, then it must be very close to the line if this tips the scales.

    This is why I think that the bulk of ESO Plus subscribers don't care enough about this to make an issue over it. There can't be that many people sitting right on the fence.

    Honestly, the only thing worth the sub are the combination of housing limits, bank space, crafting bags, and dlc access. The crown discounts are not frequent nor useful enough to matter all that much and the free collectable is a joke of a token.

    Honestly
    Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »
    I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

    You know, I can honestly say that was one event where I didn't care about the rewards I personally received, because it was for a good cause.

    But there isn't a good cause behind this one as it's an effort to increase blackwood sales to people that don't own it, yet. It only benefits ZOS and a portion of the community. So I DO care about the rewards the send to us this time round, and I personally find them lacking. It's OK though because I won't be spending my time on the event and I won't be buying more copies of Blackwood as a result, nor will I be gifting the dlc to some friends who don't sub, thus saving me some crown purchases. And the rest of yall will get my rewards from the event for me.

    So there, I guess I found my reward that work for me, ZOS saved me several hundred dollars of purchases that I might have sent there way.
  • _adhyffbjjjf12
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    trackdemon5512 wrote: »
    _adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Actually we all benefit from the event rewards, but if you don't have the dlc yet then you get an extra bonus

    I pay for HBOMax. Say HBO decides to give everyone who sees The Many Saints of Newark the digital ability to watch all of The Sopranos whenever they use the app, regardless of the subscription.

    I’m still paying full price for HBOMax. What did I gain here?

    Now apply that to this situation with Blackwood and DEADLANDS.

    your missing the point, what did you lose?

    I pay for a film channel that gives me 99 channels, as a special offer The provider offers 1 of those channels to pay as you go customers for free, and i get it for free too. I'm not really of
    fended by that lol.

    tbh those who seek out negativity find it.
    Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on October 4, 2021 8:04PM
  • kmcaj
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    wtlonewolf20 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Melliott247 wrote: »
    If this was a marketing ploy then it has backfired IMO.

    It has annoyed many of the players who pay for ESO+ AND have payed for the latest expansion (rather than waiting for the content to be added to ESO+ next year).

    It would have made sense for ESO+ members to get some free crowns instead.

    ESO Plus members get a ton of benefits just from subscribing. A no-Crown-cost something every month and discounts beyond that in the Crown Store. Crowns for each month subscribed. DLC while subscribed. It may be a false hope, but my expectation is that the bulk of the ESO Plus players don't even care.

    My personal view is that anyone who is so outraged about this that they cancel their ESO Plus was not going to stick around for long, anyway. I mean, when people total everything up, and that adds up to a justification for ESO Plus, then it must be very close to the line if this tips the scales.

    This is why I think that the bulk of ESO Plus subscribers don't care enough about this to make an issue over it. There can't be that many people sitting right on the fence.

    Honestly, the only thing worth the sub are the combination of housing limits, bank space, crafting bags, and dlc access. The crown discounts are not frequent nor useful enough to matter all that much and the free collectable is a joke of a token.

    Honestly
    Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »
    I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

    You know, I can honestly say that was one event where I didn't care about the rewards I personally received, because it was for a good cause.

    But there isn't a good cause behind this one as it's an effort to increase blackwood sales to people that don't own it, yet. It only benefits ZOS and a portion of the community. So I DO care about the rewards the send to us this time round, and I personally find them lacking. It's OK though because I won't be spending my time on the event and I won't be buying more copies of Blackwood as a result, nor will I be gifting the dlc to some friends who don't sub, thus saving me some crown purchases. And the rest of yall will get my rewards from the event for me.

    So there, I guess I found my reward that work for me, ZOS saved me several hundred dollars of purchases that I might have sent there way.

    And you get the new dlc! But you should start hitting up those striking locales to make sure.
  • Blacknight841
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Eso plus members can say they don’t feel upset, or they are happy for those that benefit from it all they want … it doesn’t change the facts from above.

    But now you will own it. Regardless. Fact. (Assuming you own Blackwood and the community is victorious otherwise you'll have to continue renting access or purchase with crowns or work out a trade)

    And owning it means absolutely nothing as long as you have an active eso subscription. (And you technically don’t even own it).

    It would be the same as an apartment complex saying that the nearby neighborhood gets free access to the pool. As a resident you already pay for the pool access in your lease agreement. You pay that fee with living there. If you ever chose to leave and go live in the nearby neighborhood, you can still go to the pool. You won’t get access to the gym or other facilities in the apartment complex, only the pool. However as long as you live in the complex and want access to all the other things, you are still paying for the pool and that “free access” is meaningless to you. However if the apartment complex decides to demolish the building … the only thing you get to do is go look at the empty hole in the ground of where the pool you “own free access to” used to be.
    Edited by Blacknight841 on October 4, 2021 8:10PM
  • trackdemon5512
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    _adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
    trackdemon5512 wrote: »
    _adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Actually we all benefit from the event rewards, but if you don't have the dlc yet then you get an extra bonus

    I pay for HBOMax. Say HBO decides to give everyone who sees The Many Saints of Newark the digital ability to watch all of The Sopranos whenever they use the app, regardless of the subscription.

    I’m still paying full price for HBOMax. What did I gain here?

    Now apply that to this situation with Blackwood and DEADLANDS.

    your missing the point, what did you lose?

    I pay for a film channel that gives me 99 channels, as a special offer The provider offers 1 of those channels to pay as you go customers for free, and i get it for free too. I'm not really offended by that lol.

    I’m permanently paying the same price for less content. If I got a refund/discount on the items I owned well great. That’s a gift. But no I’m still paying full price.

    When previous chapters become part of ESO+ we don’t mind because those of us that pay for the Chapter get a year of exclusivity. You pay, you get something others don’t. And in the case of Elsweyr or Morrowind even your ESO+ subscription doesn’t get you all of the purchased version features (missing classes).

    If I get an UberEats membership and Uber consistently offers free delivery regardless then what am I paying for?

    If I get a Spotify subscription and Spotify keeps offering free memberships to everyone then I’m getting ripped off.

    I seriously would have less of a problem with this if players got the Deadlands DLC for free but ownership wouldn’t kick in until the beginning of 2022 or simultaneously with the 1st DLC of 2022. Because as it stands right now for fall 2021 the advantages provided by paying for ESO+ just decreased substantially.

    *Edit - And let me add that when Murkmire was released, ownership for daily rewards gatherers didn’t kick in until late November. That means that players that purchased it or ESO+ subscribers enjoyed exclusive access for at least 3 weeks. Another reason that was better and more acceptable.
    Edited by trackdemon5512 on October 4, 2021 8:17PM
  • kmcaj
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    A
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Katheriah wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Eso plus members can say they don’t feel upset, or they are happy for those that benefit from it all they want … it doesn’t change the facts from above.

    But now you will own it. Regardless. Fact. (Assuming you own Blackwood and the community is victorious otherwise you'll have to continue renting access or purchase with crowns or work out a trade)

    And owning it means absolutely nothing as long as you have an active eso subscription. (And you technically don’t even own it).

    It would be the same as an apartment complex saying that the nearby neighborhood gets free access to the pool. As a resident you already pay for the pool access in your lease agreement. You pay that fee with living there. If you ever chose to leave and go live in the nearby neighborhood, you can still go to the pool. You won’t get access to the gym or other facilities in the apartment complex, only the pool. However as long as you live in the complex and want access to all the other things, you are still paying for the pool and that “free access” is meaningless to you. However if the apartment complex decides to demolish the building … the only thing you get to do is go look at the empty hole in the ground of where the pool you “own free access to” used to be.

    It's tied to your account until the server's go dark and you don't even have to get wet or sweaty!
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
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    Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

    You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

    As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

    Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

    The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

    The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

    The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

    Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

    Eso plus members can say they don’t feel upset, or they are happy for those that benefit from it all they want … it doesn’t change the facts from above.

    But now you will own it. Regardless. Fact. (Assuming you own Blackwood and the community is victorious otherwise you'll have to continue renting access or purchase with crowns or work out a trade)

    And owning it means absolutely nothing as long as you have an active eso subscription. (And you technically don’t even own it).

    It would be the same as an apartment complex saying that the nearby neighborhood gets free access to the pool. As a resident you already pay for the pool access in your lease agreement. You pay that fee with living there. If you ever chose to leave and go live in the nearby neighborhood, you can still go to the pool. You won’t get access to the gym or other facilities in the apartment complex, only the pool. However as long as you live in the complex and want access to all the other things, you are still paying for the pool and that “free access” is meaningless to you. However if the apartment complex decides to demolish the building … the only thing you get to do is go look at the empty hole in the ground of where the pool you “own free access to” used to be.

    And? you did not lose anything, and you and everyone else actually got a few beach towels as a small reward. The real benefit for access to the pool is clearly for others that don't have access to a pool. I've got access to the pool and its good fun, i want others to enjoy it too! And if i do ever leave then i could still go back to visit if i wanted, but that's not the point.
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    wtlonewolf20 wrote: »
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    If this was a marketing ploy then it has backfired IMO.

    It has annoyed many of the players who pay for ESO+ AND have payed for the latest expansion (rather than waiting for the content to be added to ESO+ next year).

    It would have made sense for ESO+ members to get some free crowns instead.

    ESO Plus members get a ton of benefits just from subscribing. A no-Crown-cost something every month and discounts beyond that in the Crown Store. Crowns for each month subscribed. DLC while subscribed. It may be a false hope, but my expectation is that the bulk of the ESO Plus players don't even care.

    My personal view is that anyone who is so outraged about this that they cancel their ESO Plus was not going to stick around for long, anyway. I mean, when people total everything up, and that adds up to a justification for ESO Plus, then it must be very close to the line if this tips the scales.

    This is why I think that the bulk of ESO Plus subscribers don't care enough about this to make an issue over it. There can't be that many people sitting right on the fence.

    Honestly, the only thing worth the sub are the combination of housing limits, bank space, crafting bags, and dlc access. The crown discounts are not frequent nor useful enough to matter all that much and the free collectable is a joke of a token.

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    I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

    You know, I can honestly say that was one event where I didn't care about the rewards I personally received, because it was for a good cause.

    But there isn't a good cause behind this one as it's an effort to increase blackwood sales to people that don't own it, yet. It only benefits ZOS and a portion of the community. So I DO care about the rewards the send to us this time round, and I personally find them lacking. It's OK though because I won't be spending my time on the event and I won't be buying more copies of Blackwood as a result, nor will I be gifting the dlc to some friends who don't sub, thus saving me some crown purchases. And the rest of yall will get my rewards from the event for me.

    So there, I guess I found my reward that work for me, ZOS saved me several hundred dollars of purchases that I might have sent there way.

    I subscribe from time to time as well,sometimes for 3 months,some others for 1.
    Because I don't know if my interest in the game will be the same from here in a few months is the reason I don't sub for longer.
    I expected we would get some cosmetic to be honest,like a reskin of a reskin of a reskin from a mount rather than a dlc what has no skill line,no solo arena,not even a new companion.
    It makes more sense to own any other dlc in this game apart from deadlands.
    If there would be an option to instead of claiming it for yourself you could actually gift it away to non blackwood owners I would gladly do that because I don't need nor want it.

    I would have loved a charity event again, something like kill deadras to save animals in need or something similar.
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
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    kmcaj wrote: »
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    I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

    Not really.

    Not really what? It wasn't a great reward to collect money for animals in need?
    Charity is not good in your opinion?
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
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    So the argument I'm hearing now is ESO+ people shouldn't be disappointed at all, because....wow... You didn't LOSE anything with this awesome mystery prize!

    Some argument there, btw!

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