Free Deadlands DLC

YandereGirlfriend · October 2021

I'm a long-term sub and agree that the surprise is underwhelming for us. But I also don't think it's the end of the world, either.

I wonder why they stopped doing the sub loyalty bonuses. Seems like it would be a good way to ensure continuity of subs from a business perspective and, assuming that said bonuses were nice, it would make subs feel a bit more appreciated as well.

FlopsyPrince · October 2021

You only get the "no cost Crown something" when you remember to grab it. It is not given to you automatically.

SammyKhajit · October 2021

Please suggest another game (pve, sand boxth

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

Yes, that was a great initiative and lots of players participated. Don’t know why they decide to go along this option in 2021, or as OP said, marketing lost the plot.

FlopsyPrince · October 2021

This "reward" is like being told you get "free plasticware" when you order delivery from a restaurant. Most will get it anyway, so what is the deal?

I am amazed some of you seem to not understand at least the let down for this. It was hyped as a "big deal" yet is not for most.

Tough to avoid the "baiting" tag, but can't some at least think things through a bit more? You don't have to agree, but claiming no one should care leaves out some important points.

FlopsyPrince · October 2021

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm a long-term sub and agree that the surprise is underwhelming for us. But I also don't think it's the end of the world, either.

I wonder why they stopped doing the sub loyalty bonuses. Seems like it would be a good way to ensure continuity of subs from a business perspective and, assuming that said bonuses were nice, it would make subs feel a bit more appreciated as well.

I think the problem is so many are completely discounting any let down and the fact it was hyped. You are right that it is not a huge issue, but it certainly is underwhelming, something some assert we shouldn't even say.

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

Ashryn wrote: »

So the argument I'm hearing now is ESO+ people shouldn't be disappointed at all, because....wow... You didn't LOSE anything with this awesome mystery prize!

Some argument there, btw!

[Snip]

A "community effort" prize should reward the entire community, or at least most of it, not just a small part. Disliking the "big deal" claims is far different than a toddler. I would say that raising a toddler will clarify that, but perhaps not in today's world.

[Edit to remove quoted content]

Kalik_Gold · October 2021

I'm THANKFUL....

I do own every chapter, and paid for every DLC with Gold. Now I don't have to spend another 150k gold.

Sub is renting - Buying it is owning.

MEBengalsFan2001 · October 2021

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

So ideally when giving people something, you want them to be able to utilize it and be thankful for it. Here you have a situation where pretty much anyone who is participating in this event also has access to the DLC as I'm betting people who buy expansion also sub, so you are basically saying:

"Hey thanks to everyone who participated to unlock this prize, we are now going to give access to it to all the folks who didn't participate."

You also effectively devalue your subscription by adding this as free content, which I appreciate, but seems counter productive for something that is supposed to be a reward for the players and ideally promote sales.

I am amazed you didn't go with another house and place it in the Blackwood area so players would have to buy blackwood or sub to access it...

[edited for bashing]

The problem with society and when something is handed out for free is that people feel entitled to MORE FREE stuff or DIFFERENT FREE stuff. The reality is, the developers could have done NOTHING extra and no one would have batted an eye.

Instead they added the Deadland DLC for free and of course people are complaining because they aren't getting anything extra that some other people may get.

If you are not a ESO+ member the free DLC is a nice freebie. If you are a ESO+ member you feel slighted. I get that but if you lose your membership for whatever reason (technical or you forgot to change your CC info etc... ) you would still have access to the Deadland content and any other content you bought outside of the membership.

I own all of year one and two DLCs as well as I bought every chapter and I acquired Murkine and will gladly take the Deadland DLC. And this is coming from someone who just bought two years of memberships.

Lady_Galadhiel · October 2021

SammyKhajit wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

Yes, that was a great initiative and lots of players participated. Don’t know why they decide to go along this option in 2021, or as OP said, marketing lost the plot.

That was the greatest of all events ever imo,not only that prices the players got where secondary to most of us,but also that we literally had to do teamwork to get there.
Doing a pathfinder achievement is not only tedious and boring and it does not actually bring the people together.
Instead of pathfinder achievement thy could have made it so the meter would get filled from each boss in RG trial defeated,for example.

Araneae6537 · October 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

I loved that event! I created a character on another server to complete the achievement again as that was the only way to do so (short of buying additional accounts) for that event. I did it for the kitties but I appreciated the rewards too — especially since I was a new player then and so those were my first crafting tables — and I still use that costume.

kmcaj · October 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

Not really.

Not really what? It wasn't a great reward to collect money for animals in need?
Charity is not good in your opinion?

I would have preferred the dlc. Killing dragons got boring fast.

Lady_Galadhiel · October 2021

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

I loved that event! I created a character on another server to complete the achievement again as that was the only way to do so (short of buying additional accounts) for that event. I did it for the kitties but I appreciated the rewards too — especially since I was a new player then and so those were my first crafting tables — and I still use that costume.

What achievement? We only had to defeat dragons to raise money

To make sure I remember correctly I did check it out again and found this:
The ESO community has already brought down over a million beasts since The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr launched in June, but from now until December 9, 2019, for every five Dragons slain, we’ll donate $1 to the cause up to a maximum of $200,000!

You can find Dragons to defeat in the Northern and Southern Elsweyr zones (accessible via the Elsweyr Chapter or Dragonhold DLC) or in the Scalebreaker DLC dungeon “Lair of Maarselok.” This includes the Dragons in the Sunspire Trial, too!

kmcaj · October 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

Yes, that was a great initiative and lots of players participated. Don’t know why they decide to go along this option in 2021, or as OP said, marketing lost the plot.

That was the greatest of all events ever imo,not only that prices the players got where secondary to most of us,but also that we literally had to do teamwork to get there.
Doing a pathfinder achievement is not only tedious and boring and it does not actually bring the people together.
Instead of pathfinder achievement thy could have made it so the meter would get filled from each boss in RG trial defeated,for example.

Uh. Now have to team up with 11 others just to participate. No thanks. Once a weekish is enough.

Lady_Galadhiel · October 2021

kmcaj wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

Not really.

Not really what? It wasn't a great reward to collect money for animals in need?
Charity is not good in your opinion?

I would have preferred the dlc. Killing dragons got boring fast.

If the reward would have been the DLC we still would have needed to kill dragons in order to earn it because that is what Elsweyr was about.

kmcaj · October 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

Not really.

Not really what? It wasn't a great reward to collect money for animals in need?
Charity is not good in your opinion?

I would have preferred the dlc. Killing dragons got boring fast.

If the reward would have been the DLC we still would have needed to kill dragons in order to earn it because that is what Elsweyr was about.

I would have killed more dragons then. Maybe. Probably not though. Only done pathfinder on a couple toons and I want the dlc but not sure if will do more. Idk. Anyways the reward would have been better.

Araneae6537 · October 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

I loved that event! I created a character on another server to complete the achievement again as that was the only way to do so (short of buying additional accounts) for that event. I did it for the kitties but I appreciated the rewards too — especially since I was a new player then and so those were my first crafting tables — and I still use that costume.

What achievement? We only had to defeat dragons to raise money
To make sure I remember correctly I did check it out again and found this:
The ESO community has already brought down over a million beasts since The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr launched in June, but from now until December 9, 2019, for every five Dragons slain, we’ll donate $1 to the cause up to a maximum of $200,000!

You can find Dragons to defeat in the Northern and Southern Elsweyr zones (accessible via the Elsweyr Chapter or Dragonhold DLC) or in the Scalebreaker DLC dungeon “Lair of Maarselok.” This includes the Dragons in the Sunspire Trial, too!

The Northern Elsweyr Pathfinder achievement was for something… I remember completing it on both servers as well as helping slay as many dragons as I could, but apparently don’t remember what was for what, only that I enjoyed participating in the event and that the event was to help kitties!

kmcaj · October 2021

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

I loved that event! I created a character on another server to complete the achievement again as that was the only way to do so (short of buying additional accounts) for that event. I did it for the kitties but I appreciated the rewards too — especially since I was a new player then and so those were my first crafting tables — and I still use that costume.

What achievement? We only had to defeat dragons to raise money
To make sure I remember correctly I did check it out again and found this:
The ESO community has already brought down over a million beasts since The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr launched in June, but from now until December 9, 2019, for every five Dragons slain, we’ll donate $1 to the cause up to a maximum of $200,000!

You can find Dragons to defeat in the Northern and Southern Elsweyr zones (accessible via the Elsweyr Chapter or Dragonhold DLC) or in the Scalebreaker DLC dungeon “Lair of Maarselok.” This includes the Dragons in the Sunspire Trial, too!

The Northern Elsweyr Pathfinder achievement was for something… I remember completing it on both servers as well as helping slay as many dragons as I could, but apparently don’t remember what was for what, only that I enjoyed participating in the event and that the event was to help kitties!

Think it was separate. Pathfinder for the game rewards and dragons for the cats. But I don't really remember.

trackdemon5512 · October 2021

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

I loved that event! I created a character on another server to complete the achievement again as that was the only way to do so (short of buying additional accounts) for that event. I did it for the kitties but I appreciated the rewards too — especially since I was a new player then and so those were my first crafting tables — and I still use that costume.

What achievement? We only had to defeat dragons to raise money
To make sure I remember correctly I did check it out again and found this:
The ESO community has already brought down over a million beasts since The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr launched in June, but from now until December 9, 2019, for every five Dragons slain, we’ll donate $1 to the cause up to a maximum of $200,000!

You can find Dragons to defeat in the Northern and Southern Elsweyr zones (accessible via the Elsweyr Chapter or Dragonhold DLC) or in the Scalebreaker DLC dungeon “Lair of Maarselok.” This includes the Dragons in the Sunspire Trial, too!

The Northern Elsweyr Pathfinder achievement was for something… I remember completing it on both servers as well as helping slay as many dragons as I could, but apparently don’t remember what was for what, only that I enjoyed participating in the event and that the event was to help kitties!

A whole host of rewards including an exclusive necromancer outfit, plunder, the gold pile lighting furniture, the cat dead colossus combat dummy, several attuneable crafting stations, a pet, etc.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/57033

It was a really good and fun event.

BlueRaven · October 2021

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

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Elsonso wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

Actually we all benefit from the event rewards, but if you don't have the dlc yet then you get an extra bonus

I pay for HBOMax. Say HBO decides to give everyone who sees The Many Saints of Newark the digital ability to watch all of The Sopranos whenever they use the app, regardless of the subscription.

I’m still paying full price for HBOMax. What did I gain here?

Now apply that to this situation with Blackwood and DEADLANDS.

your missing the point, what did you lose?

I pay for a film channel that gives me 99 channels, as a special offer The provider offers 1 of those channels to pay as you go customers for free, and i get it for free too. I'm not really offended by that lol.

I’m permanently paying the same price for less content. If I got a refund/discount on the items I owned well great. That’s a gift. But no I’m still paying full price.

When previous chapters become part of ESO+ we don’t mind because those of us that pay for the Chapter get a year of exclusivity. You pay, you get something others don’t. And in the case of Elsweyr or Morrowind even your ESO+ subscription doesn’t get you all of the purchased version features (missing classes).

If I get an UberEats membership and Uber consistently offers free delivery regardless then what am I paying for?

If I get a Spotify subscription and Spotify keeps offering free memberships to everyone then I’m getting ripped off.

I seriously would have less of a problem with this if players got the Deadlands DLC for free but ownership wouldn’t kick in until the beginning of 2022 or simultaneously with the 1st DLC of 2022. Because as it stands right now for fall 2021 the advantages provided by paying for ESO+ just decreased substantially.

*Edit - And let me add that when Murkmire was released, ownership for daily rewards gatherers didn’t kick in until late November. That means that players that purchased it or ESO+ subscribers enjoyed exclusive access for at least 3 weeks. Another reason that was better and more acceptable.

Exactly.

If I buy a monthly bus pass, and they start giving away free rides on the weekend, then it means the value of my monthly pass is not as great as it was.

I am not sure why there is such a resentment here against players with eso+. The people who are benefiting most from this give away should support the eso+ members who feel they have been slighted or at least highly disappointed with the much advertised “gift”. A gift that only translates into something they perceived they were getting anyway.

The lack of sympathy here for our fellow players surprises me.

Lady_Galadhiel · October 2021

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I miss the days where we killed dragons for charity to save kitties,now THAT was a great reward and something so many people where happy to participate and no one cared for the in game rewards we got at the end.

I loved that event! I created a character on another server to complete the achievement again as that was the only way to do so (short of buying additional accounts) for that event. I did it for the kitties but I appreciated the rewards too — especially since I was a new player then and so those were my first crafting tables — and I still use that costume.

What achievement? We only had to defeat dragons to raise money
To make sure I remember correctly I did check it out again and found this:
The ESO community has already brought down over a million beasts since The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr launched in June, but from now until December 9, 2019, for every five Dragons slain, we’ll donate $1 to the cause up to a maximum of $200,000!

You can find Dragons to defeat in the Northern and Southern Elsweyr zones (accessible via the Elsweyr Chapter or Dragonhold DLC) or in the Scalebreaker DLC dungeon “Lair of Maarselok.” This includes the Dragons in the Sunspire Trial, too!

The Northern Elsweyr Pathfinder achievement was for something… I remember completing it on both servers as well as helping slay as many dragons as I could, but apparently don’t remember what was for what, only that I enjoyed participating in the event and that the event was to help kitties!

I only have amazing memories from that event,I really hope they consider bringing something similar back once things get better again.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2021

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I think the problem is so many are completely discounting any let down and the fact it was hyped.../...
A "community effort" prize should reward the entire community, or at least most of it, not just a small part.

Taken from your point of view... WHAT would have been a correct prize ? I mean, according to your 2 criteria : 1/ scaled to the "hype" 2/ pleasing the majority ?
- a costume ? Don't we already have tons of those, and don't most players use dyed gear instead of costumes these days ?
- a mount ? don't we already have more than tons of those ?
- a guest ? many people don't care much about housing
- a house ? ditto
- gold ? don't we all have more of that than we could ever spend in the game ?
- free ESO+ ? that would have been considered a commercial incentive from all those who don't sub anyway and own all the DLCs they want
- a tattooing session on Rich's other leg ? com'on, was fun but not THAT exciting (for us).
- merchandising stuff (mugs, t-shirts... ?) that would have been too much asked and too expensive, stuff has to remain digital and ingame, de-materialized. Besides, this stuff is ugly and I'd never wear it (totally personal opinion).
- free crowns ? most subbers have more crowns than they can spend, and you can't ask from ZOS to de-value their own stuff
- free crates ? the anti-crates-crowd (to which I somewhat proudly belong) would rightfully roar at this.

There's probably more and more but suffice to say that most of us play this game... to play. And in that regard, a free new content to play is probably the best choice to please the majority.

To be honest, I was expecting/guessing the prize would be the first 2-player mount in the game. But from what I read on the PTS forum, the technology for them is not quite ready yet.

kmcaj · October 2021

BlueRaven wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

A

Elsonso wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

You're joking, right? This is sarcasm?

As an ESO Plus subscriber... ZOS giving away the DLC to unsubscribed Blackwood players is a WIN for me because it opens up the zone to more players.

Doesn’t make much difference in the log run even if you open it to every player in the game… it will be dead two week after release like clockwork and all the other dlc zones. People won’t go back until an event comes around. This year the new “content” was a companion (a virtual ai for a game with virtual friends). … but there isn’t even a new companion included with this dlc. It would be the same as releasing the antiquity system with greymoor and then not including any more antiquities. It seems as though recently every dlc and chapter released is always missing one more thing that had been previously included, like the new motifs last dungeon dlc.

The issue isn’t so much as the reward it is the manner in which is was presented. We we lead to believe that the “surprise reward” was for the community coming together to celebrate and accomplish a goal. In reality, it is a reward that benefits only a small fraction for he community so what’s the point in participating in getting the pathfinder achievements? Finally at the core is the fact that this isn’t the first time that eso subscribers are devalued on their yearly content. It happened with murkmire and rightly so there was a negative community response, so why do it again knowing the outcome? For being the paying backbone of the community, eso plus members certainly seem to be getting the short end of the stick for supporting the game. I understand it is nothing more than a marketing tactic, and a business decision to sell more Blackwood copies, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of alienating the yearly subscribers. In my opinion this was a huge misstep.

The reward is for and benefits all Blackwood owners by rewarding then with free dlc! It's a Blackwood event. Not a reward for having ESO+ or not owning Blackwood. You have Blackwood? If you answered yes, then you can win the reward too!

The only players that benefit from this event are those that own Blackwood and will never subscribe to eso plus, and those that own Blackwood and will cancel their eso plus after the dlc launches to never subscribe again.

Any condition in which a player has an active subscription to eso plus, with or without Blackwood, they no longer have any benefit from the reward.

Actually we all benefit from the event rewards, but if you don't have the dlc yet then you get an extra bonus

I pay for HBOMax. Say HBO decides to give everyone who sees The Many Saints of Newark the digital ability to watch all of The Sopranos whenever they use the app, regardless of the subscription.

I’m still paying full price for HBOMax. What did I gain here?

Now apply that to this situation with Blackwood and DEADLANDS.

your missing the point, what did you lose?

I pay for a film channel that gives me 99 channels, as a special offer The provider offers 1 of those channels to pay as you go customers for free, and i get it for free too. I'm not really offended by that lol.

I’m permanently paying the same price for less content. If I got a refund/discount on the items I owned well great. That’s a gift. But no I’m still paying full price.

When previous chapters become part of ESO+ we don’t mind because those of us that pay for the Chapter get a year of exclusivity. You pay, you get something others don’t. And in the case of Elsweyr or Morrowind even your ESO+ subscription doesn’t get you all of the purchased version features (missing classes).

If I get an UberEats membership and Uber consistently offers free delivery regardless then what am I paying for?

If I get a Spotify subscription and Spotify keeps offering free memberships to everyone then I’m getting ripped off.

I seriously would have less of a problem with this if players got the Deadlands DLC for free but ownership wouldn’t kick in until the beginning of 2022 or simultaneously with the 1st DLC of 2022. Because as it stands right now for fall 2021 the advantages provided by paying for ESO+ just decreased substantially.

*Edit - And let me add that when Murkmire was released, ownership for daily rewards gatherers didn’t kick in until late November. That means that players that purchased it or ESO+ subscribers enjoyed exclusive access for at least 3 weeks. Another reason that was better and more acceptable.

Exactly.

If I buy a monthly bus pass, and they start giving away free rides on the weekend, then it means the value of my monthly pass is not as great as it was.

I am not sure why there is such a resentment here against players with eso+. The people who are benefiting most from this give away should support the eso+ members who feel they have been slighted or at least highly disappointed with the much advertised “gift”. A gift that only translates into something they perceived they were getting anyway.

The lack of sympathy here for our fellow players surprises me.

It's an event for owning Blackwood. You own Blackwood you qualify for the rewards. You get to own the dlc even if you have eso+ as long as you own Blackwood. Blackwood is all you need to qualify. Nothing else. No bus pass. No HBO. No gym membership. No pool. Nothing. Just Blackwood for the win.

Sirona_Starr · October 2021

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

BladedMischief wrote: »

It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.

As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.

It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.

Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers

Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+

Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?

the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol

As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.

Disturbed_One · October 2021

These are the same people who demand a partial refund or extension of their ESO+ time every time there's a free ESO+ week/weekend.

They're probably the same ones who call into customer service every time there was a free HBO trial on cable and they had the channel.

Some people just feel entitled to "all the things" and get bothered if somebody else gets something they feel they're entitled to. Even if this doesn't take away anything from them.

Guess what... we're still getting the pet, the attunables, and whatever other stuff they're giving away during the event.... and everybody ALSO gets the Deadlands DLC if we reach 100%. Some would have already had access to it through ESO+, but now everybody can enjoy the end of the story this year.

kmcaj · October 2021

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

BladedMischief wrote: »

It honestly really bothered me to see that the DLC was the final "reward".
As an ESO+ subscriber of many years, it feels like a kick in the teeth.

As they continue with their overambitious development schedule, time becomes a valuable commodity. Things like bugs and new event rewards get pushed to the back burner, and devs stay focused on cranking out new chapters to sell. So they look to give rewards that take zero time away from busy devs.... like they did with this free DLC. It was already completed, so grab it and go.

It's like when you need to go shopping to buy a birthday present, but you don't have time, so you just grab something off your shelf or out of your closet, wrap it up, put a bow on it, and call it good.

Just for being a Blackwood chapter owner and assuming the community challenge succeeds, ZOS is giving away the end of year dlc to Blackwood owners as the greatest reward they could possibly give - the playable game content to finish the story. Not understanding how this is a terrible reward or kick in the teeth. Assuming that the ESO+ subscriber owns Blackwood, then they will also get to own the dlc for free as well. I don't believe that anyone from ZOS will kick an ESO+ subscriber in the teeth. So don't worry. You'll just get dlc like the other Blackwood owners.

Great Gift For:
- New players who only bought the Blackwood Chapter
- Non ESO+ subscribers

Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+

Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?

the ESO+ community does not feel slighted, a small minority feels slighted because they are spinning a reward targeting non eso+ players into an insult. As an ESO+ player I have more content on the day of the event than the day before, i'm not insulted by that lol

As an eso+ player, you already get the dlc - so no reward for you, for a community goal.

You can access dlc with eso+ but the reward is that you get permanent access to the dlc regardless. It's for everyone with Blackwood. Even those who are ungrateful. ZOS does not discriminate.

BlueRaven · October 2021

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- free crowns ? most subbers have more crowns than they can spend, and you can't ask from ZOS to de-value their own stuff.

Umm… What?
Have you seen the gold to crown prices recently? If there is a lot of unused crowns on the market, it’s not being reflected in the gold purchase price.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- free crates ? the anti-crates-crowd (to which I somewhat proudly belong) would rightfully roar at this.

Crates would have been the best option. The rate and price they come out with new ones, and how they often bring back old ones, translates that they are good sellers.

Sirona_Starr · October 2021

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

I'm THANKFUL....

I do own every chapter, and paid for every DLC with Gold. Now I don't have to spend another 150k gold.

Sub is renting - Buying it is owning.

When the servers go dark and the game ends, renting or owning becomes irrelevant.

kmcaj · October 2021

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

I'm THANKFUL....

I do own every chapter, and paid for every DLC with Gold. Now I don't have to spend another 150k gold.

Sub is renting - Buying it is owning.

When the servers go dark and the game ends, renting or owning becomes irrelevant.

When it's just eso+ going dark you can still enjoy the free dlc from the reward!

Sirona_Starr · October 2021

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I think the problem is so many are completely discounting any let down and the fact it was hyped.../...
A "community effort" prize should reward the entire community, or at least most of it, not just a small part.

Taken from your point of view... WHAT would have been a correct prize ? I mean, according to your 2 criteria : 1/ scaled to the "hype" 2/ pleasing the majority ?
- a costume ? Don't we already have tons of those, and don't most players use dyed gear instead of costumes these days ?
- a mount ? don't we already have more than tons of those ?
- a guest ? many people don't care much about housing
- a house ? ditto
- gold ? don't we all have more of that than we could ever spend in the game ?
- free ESO+ ? that would have been considered a commercial incentive from all those who don't sub anyway and own all the DLCs they want
- a tattooing session on Rich's other leg ? com'on, was fun but not THAT exciting (for us).
- merchandising stuff (mugs, t-shirts... ?) that would have been too much asked and too expensive, stuff has to remain digital and ingame, de-materialized. Besides, this stuff is ugly and I'd never wear it (totally personal opinion).
- free crowns ? most subbers have more crowns than they can spend, and you can't ask from ZOS to de-value their own stuff
- free crates ? the anti-crates-crowd (to which I somewhat proudly belong) would rightfully roar at this.

There's probably more and more but suffice to say that most of us play this game... to play. And in that regard, a free new content to play is probably the best choice to please the majority.

To be honest, I was expecting/guessing the prize would be the first 2-player mount in the game. But from what I read on the PTS forum, the technology for them is not quite ready yet.

How about a reward like, unlocking more character slots for free? or making some achievements account wide? or class change tokens for free, or, like the dragon event, contributing to a charity/non-profit like St. Judes? anything that potentially benefits the entire community who is supposed to work together to achieve a goal?

kmcaj · October 2021

BlueRaven wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- free crowns ? most subbers have more crowns than they can spend, and you can't ask from ZOS to de-value their own stuff.

Umm… What?
Have you seen the gold to crown prices recently? If there is a lot of unused crowns on the market, it’s not being reflected in the gold purchase price.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- free crates ? the anti-crates-crowd (to which I somewhat proudly belong) would rightfully roar at this.

Crates would have been the best option. The rate and price they come out with new ones, and how they often bring back old ones, translates that they are good sellers.

Yep. A whole 30 seconds of opening crates better than the actual game. Why even play? Just your save coin and go to the casino

SeaGtGruff · October 2021

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Meaningless Gift For:
- Everyone that Subscribes to ESO+

Why does the ESO+ community feel slighted?
- Because their subscription literally financially supports the continued existence of the game. Because even if they get the DLC for free it’s not as if their subscription costs have gone down. Regular ESO+ subscribers are not incentivized to outright buy DLCs because it means that they’re essentially getting less for their buck. If they own the DLC then they’re still paying $15 a month for a craft bag. And if they stop playing well then what’s the point of “owning” a DLC?

I subscribe to ESO Plus, and it isn't a meaningless gift to me.

I buy all of the DLCs in the Crown Store on my main server, even though I get "free" access to them as long as my subscription is active. (It isn't really "free" access, since I'm actually "renting" that access.)

I also buy all of the zone DLCs in the Crown Store on my alt server, but so far I haven't been buying the dungeon DLCs there, as I don't run dungeons nearly as much as I play in the various zones.

So for me, this is letting me save the Crowns that I would otherwise spent on buying the new zone DLC twice-- unless there's a Digital Collector's Edition that comes with a mount, a pet, and other extras like Experience Scrolls, because if that isn't going to be the reward then I'm going to end up buying the Digital Collector's Edition twice, anyway, which will still be fine with me.

As for the argument that ESO Plus subscribers are "essentially getting less for their buck," I used to feel that way before I ever subscribed to ESO Plus, and that mindset was holding me back from ever subscribing at all, because I already owned all of the DLCs that were available at that time and I was afraid I wouldn't be getting the same amount of "bang for my buck" as subscribers who didn't own any DLCs outright. But I eventually chose to subscribe anyway, and am so glad that I did. The fact that I already owned everything up to that point anyway (on my main server) is probably why I decided to keep buying all of the subsequent DLCs despite getting "free" access to them, since my point of view regarding the benefits of subscribing had changed focus from "access to all DLCs" to "Craft Bag, doubled bank space, doubled furnishing slots for housing, and double the limit on Transmute Crystals."

Subscribers who don't own any DLCs aren't losing access to any DLCs. The value of their subscription is not going down. If anything, the value of their subscription keeps increasing with each new DLC.