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Wrong Event Name - It Should Be "Feed the Gankers!"
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.
PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.
There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.
And you can do those in full PvP gear.
and you can complete an Imperial City daily standing naked on a wall flicking arrows at NPCs below.
Sorry, what dailies are you talking about? That you just need to flick arrows at them from above to finish it? Naked?
The Arena District Daily can be completed from your spawn point tower. You just need to kill the nearby daedra with ranged attacks to free the prisoners, or just have nearby players do the killing.
I dunno that I'd recommend doing it naked since if you aren't careful, the ogres and enemy players can hit you up on the tower. But otherwise, it's a pretty safe way to do it, since you can stealth out and even rely on nearby players to get kills which will also progress your quest.0 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love it when people say we can't play because we 'gank'. Yet the people who say that are most often the ones dead on the ground, refusing to listen to the help from us that effectively COUNTERS our playstyles, especially after those counters were significantly buffed this patch. I feel like we can't even teach a person to fish anymore.
Edited by Sephyr on August 30, 2021 3:14AM2 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.
PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.
There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.
And you can do those in full PvP gear.
and you can complete an Imperial City daily standing naked on a wall flicking arrows at NPCs below.
Sorry, what dailies are you talking about? That you just need to flick arrows at them from above to finish it? Naked?
The Arena District Daily can be completed from your spawn point tower. You just need to kill the nearby daedra with ranged attacks to free the prisoners, or just have nearby players do the killing.
I dunno that I'd recommend doing it naked since if you aren't careful, the ogres and enemy players can hit you up on the tower. But otherwise, it's a pretty safe way to do it, since you can stealth out and even rely on nearby players to get kills which will also progress your quest.
That doesn't really work anymore as far as I've seen, because of enemy players. I went with a couple friends last night and we decided to try the Arena cheese because we just wanted to be done quickly. Enemy players were camped around the spawn tower. They killed the mobs as soon as they popped in and managed to get the spawn timers for the mobs and prisoners desynced. I volunteered as tribute and jumped down to find other spawns in the area (took some experimenting to figure out how wide the range was that my friends could get credit). Got a nice piece of Tel Var and a little AP but I was still very annoyed. I've never seen so much petty behavior during an event. People are forsaking more lucrative activities for the sake of trolling.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨5 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Versispellis wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.
PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.
There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.
And you can do those in full PvP gear.
and you can complete an Imperial City daily standing naked on a wall flicking arrows at NPCs below.
Sorry, what dailies are you talking about? That you just need to flick arrows at them from above to finish it? Naked?
The Arena District Daily can be completed from your spawn point tower. You just need to kill the nearby daedra with ranged attacks to free the prisoners, or just have nearby players do the killing.
I dunno that I'd recommend doing it naked since if you aren't careful, the ogres and enemy players can hit you up on the tower. But otherwise, it's a pretty safe way to do it, since you can stealth out and even rely on nearby players to get kills which will also progress your quest.
That doesn't really work anymore as far as I've seen, because of enemy players. I went with a couple friends last night and we decided to try the Arena cheese because we just wanted to be done quickly. Enemy players were camped around the spawn tower. They killed the mobs as soon as they popped in and managed to get the spawn timers for the mobs and prisoners desynced. I volunteered as tribute and jumped down to find other spawns in the area (took some experimenting to figure out how wide the range was that my friends could get credit). Got a nice piece of Tel Var and a little AP but I was still very annoyed. I've never seen so much petty behavior during an event. People are forsaking more lucrative activities for the sake of trolling.
It's pretty much all year for me. When I PvP, I keep myself hidden offline because I used to get nothing but hate and vitriol because I'm a gank. I accept that people hate me, the playstyle, but when they tell me to go die in a fire and worse? Over a video game? Now some have figured out how the mail system works and I've reported a few repeat offenders while putting the rest on ignore, but people call us toxic simply for ganking.
That being said, I'm not saying that to condone what's being done in your experience. I don't believe in camping something like that unless it's to specifically gather the data in order to find the most efficient way to turn a profit. With you being on PS 4 though, I know it's not the group/individuals I'm thinking of because they do the same thing sometimes and they're a district farming group. They'll also wait when someone's on that one quest where they have to go to the north and south to kill adds spawned from the quest. They're more of the problem children than we gankers under normal circumstances.
But that's good on you for taking initiative, though. I can't say most who post here on the forum actually do something about the problems they're encountering in PvP and taking charge to benefit more than just themselves.
Keep it up! 2 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Versispellis wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.
PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.
There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.
And you can do those in full PvP gear.
and you can complete an Imperial City daily standing naked on a wall flicking arrows at NPCs below.
Sorry, what dailies are you talking about? That you just need to flick arrows at them from above to finish it? Naked?
The Arena District Daily can be completed from your spawn point tower. You just need to kill the nearby daedra with ranged attacks to free the prisoners, or just have nearby players do the killing.
I dunno that I'd recommend doing it naked since if you aren't careful, the ogres and enemy players can hit you up on the tower. But otherwise, it's a pretty safe way to do it, since you can stealth out and even rely on nearby players to get kills which will also progress your quest.
That doesn't really work anymore as far as I've seen, because of enemy players. I went with a couple friends last night and we decided to try the Arena cheese because we just wanted to be done quickly. Enemy players were camped around the spawn tower. They killed the mobs as soon as they popped in and managed to get the spawn timers for the mobs and prisoners desynced. I volunteered as tribute and jumped down to find other spawns in the area (took some experimenting to figure out how wide the range was that my friends could get credit). Got a nice piece of Tel Var and a little AP but I was still very annoyed. I've never seen so much petty behavior during an event. People are forsaking more lucrative activities for the sake of trolling.
It's pretty much all year for me. When I PvP, I keep myself hidden offline because I used to get nothing but hate and vitriol because I'm a gank. I accept that people hate me, the playstyle, but when they tell me to go die in a fire and worse? Over a video game? Now some have figured out how the mail system works and I've reported a few repeat offenders while putting the rest on ignore, but people call us toxic simply for ganking.
That being said, I'm not saying that to condone what's being done in your experience. I don't believe in camping something like that unless it's to specifically gather the data in order to find the most efficient way to turn a profit. With you being on PS 4 though, I know it's not the group/individuals I'm thinking of because they do the same thing sometimes and they're a district farming group. They'll also wait when someone's on that one quest where they have to go to the north and south to kill adds spawned from the quest. They're more of the problem children than we gankers under normal circumstances.
But that's good on you for taking initiative, though. I can't say most who post here on the forum actually do something about the problems they're encountering in PvP and taking charge to benefit more than just themselves. Keep it up!
I think that, with a lot of things, there's a sliding scale and it's very easy for people to condemn stealth and surprise tactics across the board. I think of ganking as knowingly engaging in a behavior that you know is unfair, like zerging down a single individual, or killing someone from stealth when they're clicking on a door. Just surprising someone that wasn't paying attention isn't evil or a bad tactic imo. Hate whispers in general could stop; what an obnoxious thing to do!✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Versispellis wrote: »Versispellis wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.
PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.
There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.
And you can do those in full PvP gear.
and you can complete an Imperial City daily standing naked on a wall flicking arrows at NPCs below.
Sorry, what dailies are you talking about? That you just need to flick arrows at them from above to finish it? Naked?
The Arena District Daily can be completed from your spawn point tower. You just need to kill the nearby daedra with ranged attacks to free the prisoners, or just have nearby players do the killing.
I dunno that I'd recommend doing it naked since if you aren't careful, the ogres and enemy players can hit you up on the tower. But otherwise, it's a pretty safe way to do it, since you can stealth out and even rely on nearby players to get kills which will also progress your quest.
That doesn't really work anymore as far as I've seen, because of enemy players. I went with a couple friends last night and we decided to try the Arena cheese because we just wanted to be done quickly. Enemy players were camped around the spawn tower. They killed the mobs as soon as they popped in and managed to get the spawn timers for the mobs and prisoners desynced. I volunteered as tribute and jumped down to find other spawns in the area (took some experimenting to figure out how wide the range was that my friends could get credit). Got a nice piece of Tel Var and a little AP but I was still very annoyed. I've never seen so much petty behavior during an event. People are forsaking more lucrative activities for the sake of trolling.
It's pretty much all year for me. When I PvP, I keep myself hidden offline because I used to get nothing but hate and vitriol because I'm a gank. I accept that people hate me, the playstyle, but when they tell me to go die in a fire and worse? Over a video game? Now some have figured out how the mail system works and I've reported a few repeat offenders while putting the rest on ignore, but people call us toxic simply for ganking.
That being said, I'm not saying that to condone what's being done in your experience. I don't believe in camping something like that unless it's to specifically gather the data in order to find the most efficient way to turn a profit. With you being on PS 4 though, I know it's not the group/individuals I'm thinking of because they do the same thing sometimes and they're a district farming group. They'll also wait when someone's on that one quest where they have to go to the north and south to kill adds spawned from the quest. They're more of the problem children than we gankers under normal circumstances.
But that's good on you for taking initiative, though. I can't say most who post here on the forum actually do something about the problems they're encountering in PvP and taking charge to benefit more than just themselves. Keep it up!
I think that, with a lot of things, there's a sliding scale and it's very easy for people to condemn stealth and surprise tactics across the board. I think of ganking as knowingly engaging in a behavior that you know is unfair, like zerging down a single individual, or killing someone from stealth when they're clicking on a door. Just surprising someone that wasn't paying attention isn't evil or a bad tactic imo. Hate whispers in general could stop; what an obnoxious thing to do!
They do. For me, I think those things are pretty fair since things balance out — not to say the game is balanced mind you, it's that for every playstyle there's generally a counter. Even with zergs, which were rather effective in the bombpocalypse. If people are lining front to back on a flag, I'll send them back like a heart attack wearing VD and loading up a Proxy Det+Soul Tether, time it right, and clear the rest with Sap Essence. And for those chasing down one person in a zerg, most of the time their assumption is that they're going to set up a forward camp and try to hit that objective again.
To me, that's just PvP. I can see how outsiders would perceive it as unfair, but there's a lot of nuance compared to PvE. New people coming in never have gone up against a lot of these mechanics because the base game doesn't teach you how to handle these mechanics when it's a human using them. And that's where they get mad. Because everything they did was to counter an NPC. Not a legitimate player.
That's why the spam us with hate-whispers. Some enjoy them. Sometimes I got funny ones. But when I got more and more "die in a fire" or hoping I die to the pandemic? It's pretty bad. Especially when you don't t-bag or do cheesy emotes over their bodies. I deal with it by just deleting, reporting, and ignoring. Eventually some may actually get banned, I don't know. Honestly, I don't care. But it's threads like these that make us seem like horrible people who get the pleasure of just trolling someone. It's not constructively handling the situation at all and only encourages real harassment to continue.Edited by Sephyr on August 30, 2021 6:49AM2 -
StamPlar_1976✭✭✭✭Ahhhhh..... I love this event and the tears it brings out. It brings me as much joy as MM does😊😊😊0 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Versispellis wrote: »Versispellis wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.
PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.
There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.
And you can do those in full PvP gear.
and you can complete an Imperial City daily standing naked on a wall flicking arrows at NPCs below.
Sorry, what dailies are you talking about? That you just need to flick arrows at them from above to finish it? Naked?
The Arena District Daily can be completed from your spawn point tower. You just need to kill the nearby daedra with ranged attacks to free the prisoners, or just have nearby players do the killing.
I dunno that I'd recommend doing it naked since if you aren't careful, the ogres and enemy players can hit you up on the tower. But otherwise, it's a pretty safe way to do it, since you can stealth out and even rely on nearby players to get kills which will also progress your quest.
That doesn't really work anymore as far as I've seen, because of enemy players. I went with a couple friends last night and we decided to try the Arena cheese because we just wanted to be done quickly. Enemy players were camped around the spawn tower. They killed the mobs as soon as they popped in and managed to get the spawn timers for the mobs and prisoners desynced. I volunteered as tribute and jumped down to find other spawns in the area (took some experimenting to figure out how wide the range was that my friends could get credit). Got a nice piece of Tel Var and a little AP but I was still very annoyed. I've never seen so much petty behavior during an event. People are forsaking more lucrative activities for the sake of trolling.
It's pretty much all year for me. When I PvP, I keep myself hidden offline because I used to get nothing but hate and vitriol because I'm a gank. I accept that people hate me, the playstyle, but when they tell me to go die in a fire and worse? Over a video game? Now some have figured out how the mail system works and I've reported a few repeat offenders while putting the rest on ignore, but people call us toxic simply for ganking.
That being said, I'm not saying that to condone what's being done in your experience. I don't believe in camping something like that unless it's to specifically gather the data in order to find the most efficient way to turn a profit. With you being on PS 4 though, I know it's not the group/individuals I'm thinking of because they do the same thing sometimes and they're a district farming group. They'll also wait when someone's on that one quest where they have to go to the north and south to kill adds spawned from the quest. They're more of the problem children than we gankers under normal circumstances.
But that's good on you for taking initiative, though. I can't say most who post here on the forum actually do something about the problems they're encountering in PvP and taking charge to benefit more than just themselves. Keep it up!
I think that, with a lot of things, there's a sliding scale and it's very easy for people to condemn stealth and surprise tactics across the board. I think of ganking as knowingly engaging in a behavior that you know is unfair, like zerging down a single individual, or killing someone from stealth when they're clicking on a door. Just surprising someone that wasn't paying attention isn't evil or a bad tactic imo. Hate whispers in general could stop; what an obnoxious thing to do!
They do. For me, I think those things are pretty fair since things balance out — not to say the game is balanced mind you, it's that for every playstyle there's generally a counter. Even with zergs, which were rather effective in the bombpocalypse. If people are lining front to back on a flag, I'll send them back like a heart attack wearing VD and loading up a Proxy Det+Soul Tether, time it right, and clear the rest with Sap Essence. And for those chasing down one person in a zerg, most of the time their assumption is that they're going to set up a forward camp and try to hit that objective again.
To me, that's just PvP. I can see how outsiders would perceive it as unfair, but there's a lot of nuance compared to PvE. New people coming in never have gone up against a lot of these mechanics because the base game doesn't teach you how to handle these mechanics when it's a human using them. And that's where they get mad. Because everything they did was to counter an NPC. Not a legitimate player.
That's why the spam us with hate-whispers. Some enjoy them. Sometimes I got funny ones. But when I got more and more "die in a fire" or hoping I die to the pandemic? It's pretty bad. Especially when you don't t-bag or do cheesy emotes over their bodies. I deal with it by just deleting, reporting, and ignoring. Eventually some may actually get banned, I don't know. Honestly, I don't care. But it's threads like these that make us seem like horrible people who get the pleasure of just trolling someone. It's not constructively handling the situation at all and only encourages real harassment to continue.
Oh, yeah, Cyrodiil and even the flags in IC are a completely different matter. Kill whoever you can by any means necessary to protect those objectives! I should have clarified that I was speaking purely about things that are done to people who are clearly just there to PvE. For example, yes, stop the runner in Cyrodiil, but maybe the zerg doesn't need the five Tel Var from the nugget that's burning ballistae in IC. Now, I don't agree that it's all fair game, but I don't feel as strongly about it as some of the people in this thread do because I know there are ways around it and also you can see why people do it. It's really just the intentional trolling and bullying I really don't like--which means I don't approve of the hate whispers you're getting, either!✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨1 -
cyberjanet✭✭✭✭✭It is, indeed, no fun to be attacked by six players as soon as you enter a zone. I can maybe hold my own against one player, with luck against two, but not against a gank-group. And I've been choosing the ones that are pop-locked for my faction. This means the opposing factions who are playing there are doing so only in order to gank.
In real life, this is called bullying.
I'm mostly trying to do quests that involve not killing anything at all as much as possible. If you want to bully me, you may not get a single TelVar stone. I've been dying to the quest mobs in preference to giving the bullies their way.
Favourite NPC: Wine-For-All
Mostly PC-EU , with a lonely little guy on NA.5 -
Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most pvpers also agree that stealth gankers are the lowest form of life in pvp environments.
If you don't want to pvp, either use the arena tower method, stealth up and do the zone quest closest to your base, hiding from line of site wherever possible, run zones during your servers dead hours and/or store up quests for hand in before the event.Edited by Thannazzar on August 30, 2021 1:48PM2 -
Franchise408✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »In the time between these posts, I logged in on a PVE trial toon, ported into IC, went to a zone controlled by another faction (to make it "difficult"), completed a quest which involved clicking on 4 ballistas, a barrel of oil, and a forge, and walked all the way back to my base. Total time in game, 5 minutes and 23 seconds. I did not use a single offensive ability or ever engage in combat, and of course, I did not die. Got tickets (or rather, a single ticket).
This is not an accurate depiction of the Imperial City experience.
I didn't respond right away, but I did see when this was originally posted. I was on a break at work, so you definitely were not on during peak hours, thus it is already inherently not a reflection of the experience many people will face.
That's great that you didn't even have to use an offensive ability, and sure, I have had that experience before. I have also had experiences where, even when I am stealthing, and keeping away from the major fights going on and keeping to myself, I am never even given so much as an opportunity to even use an offensive ability even if I wanted to, because I'm being ganked on an NPC, while interacting with a world object, or people are waiting in stealth at the sewer entrance to gank people once they break stealth upon activating the door.
I am a seasoned, experienced player that knows how to be aware of my surroundings, and while I won't ever call myself a -good- PVP'er, I know enough to be able to defend myself at least a little bit.
I'm not sharing my experience to say I am victimized in any way, they are the threats and risks I take on when I go into a PVP zone. I share my experience to say that a simple "I got in and out in 5 minutes without ever even having to use an offensive skill" is a very inaccurate take on what happens in Imperial City. Just because it -can- happen that way doesn't mean that you can control your experience to be as such every single time.3 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭cyberjanet wrote: »It is, indeed, no fun to be attacked by six players as soon as you enter a zone. I can maybe hold my own against one player, with luck against two, but not against a gank-group. And I've been choosing the ones that are pop-locked for my faction. This means the opposing factions who are playing there are doing so only in order to gank.
In real life, this is called bullying.
I'm mostly trying to do quests that involve not killing anything at all as much as possible. If you want to bully me, you may not get a single TelVar stone. I've been dying to the quest mobs in preference to giving the bullies their way.
The population view shown is very deceptive. People who logged out of the game in the zone are still there. Thus it seems full even if that faction has no control whatsoever.
Note to whoever said to do the Arena quest: Not only can that take a lot of time, waiting for proper respawns, you can die easily if you are not careful since some can shoot up to those platforms quite fine.PC
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »cyberjanet wrote: »It is, indeed, no fun to be attacked by six players as soon as you enter a zone. I can maybe hold my own against one player, with luck against two, but not against a gank-group. And I've been choosing the ones that are pop-locked for my faction. This means the opposing factions who are playing there are doing so only in order to gank.
In real life, this is called bullying.
I'm mostly trying to do quests that involve not killing anything at all as much as possible. If you want to bully me, you may not get a single TelVar stone. I've been dying to the quest mobs in preference to giving the bullies their way.
The population view shown is very deceptive. People who logged out of the game in the zone are still there. Thus it seems full even if that faction has no control whatsoever.
Note to whoever said to do the Arena quest: Not only can that take a lot of time, waiting for proper respawns, you can die easily if you are not careful since some can shoot up to those platforms quite fine.
and you can run off a cliff and die.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »cyberjanet wrote: »It is, indeed, no fun to be attacked by six players as soon as you enter a zone. I can maybe hold my own against one player, with luck against two, but not against a gank-group. And I've been choosing the ones that are pop-locked for my faction. This means the opposing factions who are playing there are doing so only in order to gank.
In real life, this is called bullying.
I'm mostly trying to do quests that involve not killing anything at all as much as possible. If you want to bully me, you may not get a single TelVar stone. I've been dying to the quest mobs in preference to giving the bullies their way.
The population view shown is very deceptive. People who logged out of the game in the zone are still there. Thus it seems full even if that faction has no control whatsoever.
Note to whoever said to do the Arena quest: Not only can that take a lot of time, waiting for proper respawns, you can die easily if you are not careful since some can shoot up to those platforms quite fine.
Well, you could also hop down and run around the district killing daedra and freeing as many prisoners as you can before you die, and then respawn on the tower or your Sewer base, travel back to the Arena and do it all again until you get enough.
Unless you've picked a campaign where the Arena is completely dominated by enemy factions, it'll probably be quicker than sitting there waiting for respawns. At least, it's always been quicker for me when I've jumped down, even with some deaths on my PVE build. YMMV.
It's up to you whether you want the quicker option with greater risk of PVP or the safer, slower option with much less risk of someone hitting you with a ranged attack. You can wait even longer if you stay completely safe, stealthed out in the Silenced portion of the tower and leech off of nearby kills.2 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's true that time of day can make a big difference in how populated IC is. If you can, try going there at different times to see if you can figure out when the best time for you might be.
I could simply be fortunate in being able to play during a less-populated time, but I seldom have any trouble completing all 6 district dailies within an hour or less-- usually within 45 minutes or less, which averages out to about 7 or 8 minutes per daily, and about 2 or 3 minutes of that comes from finding a spot where I can queue for Cyrodiil, queue for IC, turn in the daily, open my rewards, decon any gear, sell any treasure, bank my TV and any other loot, then head to the next district.
Last night was the most "dangerous" night I've had so far this event, because I got killed several times in a few districts. But even so, I had no trouble getting the quests in those districts completed in a timely manner.
I used to sneak around cautiously in Cyrodiil and IC, but I've found that it's usually better to just ride around on your mount if you can, or run around as fast as you can if you're unable to mount. If you get killed, just jump back in and pick up where you got killed, as many times as it takes until you get the quest done. And learn your way around each district so you can figure out which routes to take. If you mount up, you can usually ride quickly through a group of Daedra and/or cultists without being attacked and dismounted, so the quickest route might turn out to be the one that seems the most dangerous.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
guarstompemoji✭✭✭✭Used to call griefing. It's cheap behavior, to be sure.
Bank all Tel Var; griefers might eventually succeed, but they'll get no payouts for their efforts.
In fact, bank everything, then just respawn, respawn, respawn while penniless...there is nothing they can do but get bored and receive nada.
You can even put on a fabulous outfit, and equip the brassy assassain walk. Perhaps the netch hat.Edited by guarstompemoji on August 31, 2021 4:30AM1 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Some ganker pulled me off the platform in the arena just now.
How? No idea. I can't damage them, but they can damage me and pull me down.
Great event ZOS! I am sure a minimal few are feeling great now.
And those saying "skip the ticket" should quit that advice. It is foolish to have an event someone can't participate in without getting ganked, even on a platform!PC
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »It's true that time of day can make a big difference in how populated IC is. If you can, try going there at different times to see if you can figure out when the best time for you might be.
I could simply be fortunate in being able to play during a less-populated time, but I seldom have any trouble completing all 6 district dailies within an hour or less-- usually within 45 minutes or less, which averages out to about 7 or 8 minutes per daily, and about 2 or 3 minutes of that comes from finding a spot where I can queue for Cyrodiil, queue for IC, turn in the daily, open my rewards, decon any gear, sell any treasure, bank my TV and any other loot, then head to the next district.
Last night was the most "dangerous" night I've had so far this event, because I got killed several times in a few districts. But even so, I had no trouble getting the quests in those districts completed in a timely manner.
I used to sneak around cautiously in Cyrodiil and IC, but I've found that it's usually better to just ride around on your mount if you can, or run around as fast as you can if you're unable to mount. If you get killed, just jump back in and pick up where you got killed, as many times as it takes until you get the quest done. And learn your way around each district so you can figure out which routes to take. If you mount up, you can usually ride quickly through a group of Daedra and/or cultists without being attacked and dismounted, so the quickest route might turn out to be the one that seems the most dangerous.
That may work great at times, but a dedicated group of gankers can ruin it for everyone else.
Very bad event design!PC
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »It's true that time of day can make a big difference in how populated IC is. If you can, try going there at different times to see if you can figure out when the best time for you might be.
I could simply be fortunate in being able to play during a less-populated time, but I seldom have any trouble completing all 6 district dailies within an hour or less-- usually within 45 minutes or less, which averages out to about 7 or 8 minutes per daily, and about 2 or 3 minutes of that comes from finding a spot where I can queue for Cyrodiil, queue for IC, turn in the daily, open my rewards, decon any gear, sell any treasure, bank my TV and any other loot, then head to the next district.
Last night was the most "dangerous" night I've had so far this event, because I got killed several times in a few districts. But even so, I had no trouble getting the quests in those districts completed in a timely manner.
I used to sneak around cautiously in Cyrodiil and IC, but I've found that it's usually better to just ride around on your mount if you can, or run around as fast as you can if you're unable to mount. If you get killed, just jump back in and pick up where you got killed, as many times as it takes until you get the quest done. And learn your way around each district so you can figure out which routes to take. If you mount up, you can usually ride quickly through a group of Daedra and/or cultists without being attacked and dismounted, so the quickest route might turn out to be the one that seems the most dangerous.
I like PvP in Imperial City so I usually stick around to do some fighting after I get the dailies done. Last night there was a big three faction fight happening I think it was in the Memorial District. I grabbed the quest before I jumped down. There were enemy fighters all over the place but especially near the flag which is pretty close to Daggerfall home base. I was able to do the entire quest without being hit by another player. Was a yellow also doing the quest and I left him alone. Unfortunately he did get jumped by a lone blue at a skeleton but for the most part the PvP crowd was busy killing each other.
Going into a district loaded with players from all three factions may be the way to go. You get lost in the chaos and can get your quest done. Players looking to gank usually are not hiding in the highly populated districts except of course the flag bombers that live for when a group lets their guard down after taking the flag.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »Some ganker pulled me off the platform in the arena just now.
How? No idea. I can't damage them, but they can damage me and pull me down.
Great event ZOS! I am sure a minimal few are feeling great now.
And those saying "skip the ticket" should quit that advice. It is foolish to have an event someone can't participate in without getting ganked, even on a platform!
The usual culprit is Frozen Gate, but it may be another skill.
The point of being able to be hit up there on the edge of the platform is so you can't sit up there and rain down arrows and cliffracers at players who're running below without them having a fair shot at hitting you back. I, uh, may have taken some cheap shots at a battling zerg, and then gotten my butt knocked off the spawn tower and promptly killed - I totally deserved it. Imagine what a snipe ganker could do if they were perched up there, completely safe from all incoming fire.
Even the ogre mob can do some nasty damage by throwing rocks up on the platform, so it's not completely safe unless you sit in the Silenced area and leech off of other people's kills. You'll get credit for the kills, but it'll take awhile.
Personally, I think it's foolish to say that no events should ever feature PVP, because getting ganked is a normal part of that gameplay in Cyrodiil as well. You don't like that form of gameplay, but that's no reason to exclude PVP from events that celebrate many types of gameplay in ESO.3 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Going into a district loaded with players from all three factions may be the way to go. You get lost in the chaos and can get your quest done. Players looking to gank usually are not hiding in the highly populated districts except of course the flag bombers that live for when a group lets their guard down after taking the flag.
Why ya gotta call me out like that? We're just aggressively shouting surprise.
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Some ganker pulled me off the platform in the arena just now.
How? No idea. I can't damage them, but they can damage me and pull me down.
Great event ZOS! I am sure a minimal few are feeling great now.
And those saying "skip the ticket" should quit that advice. It is foolish to have an event someone can't participate in without getting ganked, even on a platform!
The usual culprit is Frozen Gate, but it may be another skill.
The point of being able to be hit up there on the edge of the platform is so you can't sit up there and rain down arrows and cliffracers at players who're running below without them having a fair shot at hitting you back. I, uh, may have taken some cheap shots at a battling zerg, and then gotten my butt knocked off the spawn tower and promptly killed - I totally deserved it. Imagine what a snipe ganker could do if they were perched up there, completely safe from all incoming fire.
Even the ogre mob can do some nasty damage by throwing rocks up on the platform, so it's not completely safe unless you sit in the Silenced area and leech off of other people's kills. You'll get credit for the kills, but it'll take awhile.
Personally, I think it's foolish to say that no events should ever feature PVP, because getting ganked is a normal part of that gameplay in Cyrodiil as well. You don't like that form of gameplay, but that's no reason to exclude PVP from events that celebrate many types of gameplay in ESO.
It isn't the PvP that is the real problem. It is those who thrive on ganking. Thus give an alternative and don't require PvP. But then the gankers wouldn't have as much fun, hence why I said the name should be changed!PC
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Personally, I think it's foolish to say that no events should ever feature PVP, because getting ganked is a normal part of that gameplay in Cyrodiil as well. You don't like that form of gameplay, but that's no reason to exclude PVP from events that celebrate many types of gameplay in ESO.
Yeah. Personally I don't believe IC should be required because it's more of a vet pvp experience due to the nature of the pvp and the ability to meaningfully block progression, the high reward to ganking, etc but saying PVP should never be required is too far.
I think this event should include the IC dungeons so there's a pve option.
And Midyear Mayhem should be
1 ticket from Cyrodiil daily
1 ticket from either IC daily OR first Battleground match of the day.
Battlegrounds and Cyro both have under 50 options, and progress cannot be meaningfully blocked. Win or Lose, you'd get a ticket upon completing a Battleground. And Cyrodiil is just too massive for pvpers to really be able to consistently block progress.
IC is the only one I need to bring a specialized build (for me I use a stealth build instead of pvp) or go at late hours.
I even have 3 mil AP banked from being able to siege keeps meaningfully in Cyrodiil in my pve gear. My negate where crown tells me to negate is as good as anyone else's negate.
Edited by spartaxoxo on August 31, 2021 12:58AM1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Some ganker pulled me off the platform in the arena just now.
How? No idea. I can't damage them, but they can damage me and pull me down.
Great event ZOS! I am sure a minimal few are feeling great now.
And those saying "skip the ticket" should quit that advice. It is foolish to have an event someone can't participate in without getting ganked, even on a platform!
The usual culprit is Frozen Gate, but it may be another skill.
The point of being able to be hit up there on the edge of the platform is so you can't sit up there and rain down arrows and cliffracers at players who're running below without them having a fair shot at hitting you back. I, uh, may have taken some cheap shots at a battling zerg, and then gotten my butt knocked off the spawn tower and promptly killed - I totally deserved it. Imagine what a snipe ganker could do if they were perched up there, completely safe from all incoming fire.
Even the ogre mob can do some nasty damage by throwing rocks up on the platform, so it's not completely safe unless you sit in the Silenced area and leech off of other people's kills. You'll get credit for the kills, but it'll take awhile.
Personally, I think it's foolish to say that no events should ever feature PVP, because getting ganked is a normal part of that gameplay in Cyrodiil as well. You don't like that form of gameplay, but that's no reason to exclude PVP from events that celebrate many types of gameplay in ESO.
It isn't the PvP that is the real problem. It is those who thrive on ganking. Thus give an alternative and don't require PvP. But then the gankers wouldn't have as much fun, hence why I said the name should be changed!
See, this is the problem here. @VaranisArano is giving you rather helpful information where you could change certain things about your playstyle to have a quicker solution to your problem. Ganking IS a PvP thing. It's a saturated field, I'll admit that. I see a lot of my kind on the field. But what isn't constructive is throwing us under the bus for doing what's normal in any PvP experience.
I notice that you're also telling vague stories which leads me to doubt your intentions here. How do I know that you're not instigating some of these by trying to attack them? PvEers occasionally do this and I don't care if they wave at me. They're dead due to the first few times of taking advantage of the whole "Don't shoot! I'm a PvEer! 😇" and my kindness. [snip]
I'm starting to believe that this is the case with you because everyone that's tried to help you, you've either thrown under the bus, ignored, barely even used their advice just to say it doesn't work, or completely disregarded. Just like the majority of these threads that pop up every time IC PvP is part of any event.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 17, 2021 1:20PM3 -
Roztlin45✭✭✭✭✭IC is a great pvp zone. Being ganked is good for you. Without defeat you have nothing to measure success from. Just relax and respawn.2 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Going into a district loaded with players from all three factions may be the way to go. You get lost in the chaos and can get your quest done. Players looking to gank usually are not hiding in the highly populated districts except of course the flag bombers that live for when a group lets their guard down after taking the flag.
Why ya gotta call me out like that? We're just aggressively shouting surprise.
Oh I salute flag bombers. They provide a much needed service. We can preach and preach about keeping your guard up but until we all lay dead around the flag that preaching falls flat. A flag bomber that can bomb and escape alive is a beauty to behold.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Going into a district loaded with players from all three factions may be the way to go. You get lost in the chaos and can get your quest done. Players looking to gank usually are not hiding in the highly populated districts except of course the flag bombers that live for when a group lets their guard down after taking the flag.
Why ya gotta call me out like that? We're just aggressively shouting surprise.
Oh I salute flag bombers. They provide a much needed service. We can preach and preach about keeping your guard up but until we all lay dead around the flag that preaching falls flat. A flag bomber that can bomb and escape alive is a beauty to behold. I'm teasing in that regard, but oh god, you should hear what happens on the other side. Some of us are like "ohmygodohmygodohmygod", sometimes it's just a long line of expletives, or it's just one syllable whorbling because we're in 100% panic mode and can't say anything else since we're almost sure we're about to die. 
My last good one for the night was like that. Just "EeeEEEEeEeEeeeEeeeEeEe". I'm so glad that PC doesn't have proximity chat. 1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Some ganker pulled me off the platform in the arena just now.
How? No idea. I can't damage them, but they can damage me and pull me down.
Great event ZOS! I am sure a minimal few are feeling great now.
And those saying "skip the ticket" should quit that advice. It is foolish to have an event someone can't participate in without getting ganked, even on a platform!
The usual culprit is Frozen Gate, but it may be another skill.
The point of being able to be hit up there on the edge of the platform is so you can't sit up there and rain down arrows and cliffracers at players who're running below without them having a fair shot at hitting you back. I, uh, may have taken some cheap shots at a battling zerg, and then gotten my butt knocked off the spawn tower and promptly killed - I totally deserved it. Imagine what a snipe ganker could do if they were perched up there, completely safe from all incoming fire.
Even the ogre mob can do some nasty damage by throwing rocks up on the platform, so it's not completely safe unless you sit in the Silenced area and leech off of other people's kills. You'll get credit for the kills, but it'll take awhile.
Personally, I think it's foolish to say that no events should ever feature PVP, because getting ganked is a normal part of that gameplay in Cyrodiil as well. You don't like that form of gameplay, but that's no reason to exclude PVP from events that celebrate many types of gameplay in ESO.
It isn't the PvP that is the real problem. It is those who thrive on ganking. Thus give an alternative and don't require PvP. But then the gankers wouldn't have as much fun, hence why I said the name should be changed!
Uh, ganking is a form of PVP. An intended, expected, and designed for form of PVP.
So, yeah, sounds like you'd like ZOS to exclude PVP from events that celebrate many types of gameplay in ESO. Well, unless you'd prefer for ZOS to require Battlegrounds for Midyear Mayhem, where you won't really get "ganked" by the other team...
(They typically don't require Battlegrounds for event tickets because even Below 50 is far more punishing towards people who really want to avoid PVP as much as possible than the IC dailies. And they really rather not encourage PVE-only players to cheese the BG quests to complete 5 Battlegrounds by sitting in their spawn point and tanking their team's chances. Also, to be quite frank, I've gotten a lot more abuse from BG teammates when a match was going poorly than I ever have from either dungeon groups or PVPers in any other setting.)2 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Some ganker pulled me off the platform in the arena just now.
How? No idea. I can't damage them, but they can damage me and pull me down.
Great event ZOS! I am sure a minimal few are feeling great now.
And those saying "skip the ticket" should quit that advice. It is foolish to have an event someone can't participate in without getting ganked, even on a platform!
The usual culprit is Frozen Gate, but it may be another skill.
The point of being able to be hit up there on the edge of the platform is so you can't sit up there and rain down arrows and cliffracers at players who're running below without them having a fair shot at hitting you back. I, uh, may have taken some cheap shots at a battling zerg, and then gotten my butt knocked off the spawn tower and promptly killed - I totally deserved it. Imagine what a snipe ganker could do if they were perched up there, completely safe from all incoming fire.
Even the ogre mob can do some nasty damage by throwing rocks up on the platform, so it's not completely safe unless you sit in the Silenced area and leech off of other people's kills. You'll get credit for the kills, but it'll take awhile.
Personally, I think it's foolish to say that no events should ever feature PVP, because getting ganked is a normal part of that gameplay in Cyrodiil as well. You don't like that form of gameplay, but that's no reason to exclude PVP from events that celebrate many types of gameplay in ESO.
It isn't the PvP that is the real problem. It is those who thrive on ganking. Thus give an alternative and don't require PvP. But then the gankers wouldn't have as much fun, hence why I said the name should be changed!
See, this is the problem here. @VaranisArano is giving you rather helpful information where you could change certain things about your playstyle to have a quicker solution to your problem. Ganking IS a PvP thing. It's a saturated field, I'll admit that. I see a lot of my kind on the field. But what isn't constructive is throwing us under the bus for doing what's normal in any PvP experience.
I notice that you're also telling vague stories which leads me to doubt your intentions here. How do I know that you're not instigating some of these by trying to attack them? PvEers occasionally do this and I don't care if they wave at me. They're dead due to the first few times of taking advantage of the whole "Don't shoot! I'm a PvEer! 😇" and my kindness. [snip]
I'm starting to believe that this is the case with you because everyone that's tried to help you, you've either thrown under the bus, ignored, barely even used their advice just to say it doesn't work, or completely disregarded. Just like the majority of these threads that pop up every time IC PvP is part of any event.
You can have all the ganking you want as long as I am not pulled to act as a gankee, by hiding strong rewards behind it.
I have no idea what Tel Var is good for myself. I am sure it is for something, but I just let it pile up in my 3-4 years playing, so that is not the rewards I am talking about.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 17, 2021 1:22PMPC
PS4/PS50