Wrong Event Name - It Should Be "Feed the Gankers!"

SeaGtGruff

kargen27 wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

I'll say the same thing I keep repeating. Pvpve doesn't work in this game because to go from one to another requires a completely different bult character. Pvp and pve don't flow back and forth seamlessly in ESO due to the priority of completely different stats being important and imo is what keeps this game from being amazing.

On the bright side the rewards for this event are pretty meh so I'm fine with 1 ticket per day.

At some point ill have a dedicated pvp toon but thats going to take a while.

The same could be said about really anything in the game. I use different gear for dungeons, overland and trials. For one character I have three healing set-ups and two DPS set-ups I use depending on my role and the make-up of the group. That same character has three builds for PvP.
For normal trials I don't worry to much about changing builds, won't adjust CP and things like that. About any healing set is going to work for normal. Same with PvP. If I am running around hunting Telvar or doing dailies I don't worry about going into full PvP mode. Usually do not need to. If I plan on sticking around and joining in on the killing and dying then I switch out.

You are not going to be good at 1vX in PvE gear but that doesn't mean you will completely fail in PvP land wearing PvE gear. You do have to change your strategy some. NPC enemies tend to be repetitive and predictable. Player enemies may not be. That is actually the fun of PvP.

All that aside to complete the daily requirements for this event very little if any real PvP is needed.

I dont do trials but I have the same set for everything pve wise. Arenas, dungeons and overland. If I remember I might change a couple of pieces while doing a vet daily just to remove my pale order ring. But most of the time you don't really need to bother with that. Pvp is a whole other monster. Although im sure you can get away with just piling up in a zerg.

My point is PvP is not a whole other monster. Especially as it pertains to this event it isn't a whole other monster.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

cheeseaddict wrote: »

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

They are certainly out in force now.

And they are getting lots of cheap kills!

It's... a PVP zone. If you don't want to deal with it, don't go there. Nobody is forcing you to do so.

This same argument comes up every time a PVP zone gets any event.

Nothing is going to change, people are still going to whine for the mere sake of it, and we're going to continue seeing these posts until ESO exists no more.

Edit: Unlike an Event like Midyear Mayhem, or IC event in it's own... You can go to Orsinium OR Craglorn to play this event as well. There's absolutely no need to negatively rope PVP players into the "Wah they're killing PVE players" discussion again.

YES, you do have to go there, you cannot complete the holiday quest without killing a boss in IC

Just to add to what Varanis said, you DO NOT need to kill a boss in IC unless you want to complete the special event quest, "Sand, Snow, and Blood," and you DO NOT need to complete that quest to earn an event ticket. That quest will reward you with (IIRC) a little gold and/or XP, plus a purple event coffer, but not an event ticket. And you can do the event zone dailies to earn event tickets WITHOUT needing to do the special event quest first.

However, to anyone interested in killing an IC boss so they can complete the event intro quest, I'd recommend the boss that's closest to your alliance home base, as someone else has already recommended in another post.

For the sand snow and blood quest you can go down in the sewers and pop one of those bosses. Doesn't have to be a banner boss. Any ole boss down there will do. Much easier to pop those than the ones upstairs.

Yep, that's what I did-- killed Gati the Storm Sister, who is the closest "crossed swords" stationary boss in the DC section of the sewers. She's my go-to whenever I need to kill an IC boss for event coffers or event tickets.

DestroyerPewnack

Franchise408 wrote: »

Elsweyr hasn't gotten 3 events this year.

Summerset hasn't gotten 3 events this year.

Wrothgar and Craglorn haven't gotten 3 events this year.

Undaunted hasn't gotten 3 events this year.

Imperial City is the only zone that's been required for 3 different events this year in order to receive event tickets. Imperial City is also the zone that generates the greatest amount of complaints from the community based on the nature of the gameplay and behaviors of the city.

Sure, but from the perspective of PvP players who don't want to be forced to PvE, Elsweyr, Summerset, Wrothgar, Craglorn and Undaunted are all the same. They're PvE. It seems to me that the reason Imperial City is brought in so often is to give PvP players something to do.

SeaGtGruff

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

Franchise408 wrote: »

Elsweyr hasn't gotten 3 events this year.

Summerset hasn't gotten 3 events this year.

Wrothgar and Craglorn haven't gotten 3 events this year.

Undaunted hasn't gotten 3 events this year.

Imperial City is the only zone that's been required for 3 different events this year in order to receive event tickets. Imperial City is also the zone that generates the greatest amount of complaints from the community based on the nature of the gameplay and behaviors of the city.

Sure, but from the perspective of PvP players who don't want to be forced to PvE, Elsweyr, Summerset, Wrothgar, Craglorn and Undaunted are all the same. They're PvE. It seems to me that the reason Imperial City is brought in so often is to give PvP players something to do.

That's my theory, too. I'd have to go back and check, but it seems to me that we've gotten 3 PvP-related events per year for 2 or 3 years now, and I figured it was at least partly in response to how much PvPers were complaining in the forums about the number of PvE-related events each year versus the number of PvP-related events.

Personally, I enjoy the PvP-related events, even though I'm lousy at PvP and don't go out of my way to engage in it.

And technically this isn't actually a PvP-related event, because it encompasses 2 PvE zones and only 1 PvP zone. So in that sense, we've gotten only 2 PvP-related events this year (so far), plus this "hybrid" event.

Alienoutlaw

love the event, i spend hours waiting for ppl to return from molag with my share of the telvar

Sanguinor2

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Having an event that leaves a significant number of players coming out of it thinking that so many other players are _______ (your term here) is not good for the game in the slightest.

Thinking that way because those other players were playing the game as intended says a lot.

etchedpixels

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Having an event that leaves a significant number of players coming out of it thinking that so many other players are _______ (your term here) is not good for the game in the slightest.

You need to separate the characters and the players. IC is brutish and nasty, that doesn't mean the people who play there are.

VaranisArano

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

I'll say the same thing I keep repeating. Pvpve doesn't work in this game because to go from one to another requires a completely different bult character. Pvp and pve don't flow back and forth seamlessly in ESO due to the priority of completely different stats being important and imo is what keeps this game from being amazing.

On the bright side the rewards for this event are pretty meh so I'm fine with 1 ticket per day.

At some point ill have a dedicated pvp toon but thats going to take a while.

PvPvE works just fine when you prepare for the PVP portion.

I'd be really curious to see how PVE would have to be redesigned to cope with being able to transition seamlessly to PVP.

If it were just the stats and the gear, then ZOS could offer us "builds" or something where we could easily and cheaply swap back and forth.

But it's not just the stats. If you want to jump into Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil PVP, it quickly becomes apparent that it's a whole different set of tactics. One of the basic things that PVEers miss is that you have to proactively defend, buff, and heal yourself, preferably before you get into combat, because a smart opponent is not going to let you recover with an "Oh shoot" heal once they have you in execute range. One thing I had to learn as a MagDK was that I couldn't take my Stamina for granted - I don't have much more of it than a PVE build would, but I'm always watching to make sure I don't run low because I have to be able to dodge roll or break free instantly. If I can't, I'm dead.

Those are just two examples. My experience with the godly pre-Morrowind Blazeplar was that I can slap on the meta PVP gear and get all my stats in order with all the right skills, but until I learn the tactics for using that gear against a real live intelligent player, I'm going to get my butt handed to me again and again.

I don't know how to take that experience of fighting a real live intelligent player in PVE so that players can transition seamlessly without seriously changing how PVE works.

And I'm not sure that the PVE community would really appreciate having "their" preferred gameplay drastically altered in order to seamlessly transition them to content that plenty of them have no interest in doing except when there are event rewards.


That being said, good luck with your dedicated PVP toon!

Most people don't "prepare properly" for PvE, but can still have an enjoyable time. Requiring extra expense like this only to aid gankers is not a good thing for ZOS, the point of me starting this thread that clearly has quite a bit of interest.

Nah, given that players spending time to get gear and/or time to get gold to get gear is kind of one of the major points of MMOs, I'm pretty sure that ZOS really doesn't mind that PVEers ought to prepare for PVP if they want the non-event ticket rewards like Tel Var, boss kills, etc. I've gotten event tickets on PVE builds a number of times, as long as I'm persistent when I die, so it's hardly necessary to invest in order to get those.

Plus, ah, ZOS keeps running this event year after year. So even if it's causing them problems that players have to prepare for PVP, clearly it's not enough for them to stop running it.

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Having an event that leaves a significant number of players coming out of it thinking that so many other players are _______ (your term here) is not good for the game in the slightest.

That's on you for thinking that players who are playing in allowed, intended, and designed-for ways are "insert your term here".

The name you insert in your blank says more about you than it does them.

And if you're saying that events that leave players thinking badly of their fellow players are not good for the game, then I look forward to you being consistent with your stance during the Undaunted Event when we hear all about fake roles and people who rush through dungeons.

Events celebrate various areas of content in ESO. Every event doesn't appeal to everyone and they don't have to.


Finally, have you considered that what your thread is actually telling ZOS is something like "I complain bitterly about Imperial City but I'll totally do it if you put event rewards in it?" Because that's the real message that the people asking ZOS to eliminate the IC Event and then talking about how they got their ticket or snuck through a District for their daily are unintentionally sending. It's not exactly putting one's money where one's mouth is.

If a "significant number of players" said "Hell no, we won't go" and actually did it, and didn't buy their missing tickets from the Crown Store, maybe then ZOS would get the picture that players don't like IC so much that they'd rather miss out on event rewards period than go there and they don't want their avoidance of PVP monetized.

Judging by the fact that ZOS keeps running the event year after year despite the complaint threads by you and others, my assumption is that, instead, a "significant number of players" are willingly heading off to Imperial City for event rewards whether they enjoy the experience or not. FOMO works, and threads like this are an exercise in proving it.

UGotBenched91

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.

PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.

There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.

And you can do those in full PvP gear.

If you don’t want to pull your weight, sure. It’s simple. You want to survive in PVP content to get your tickets. Invest in PvP gear and switch some skills around.

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mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

PVE players you need to create a build or use sets for PVP to survive. You can’t expect to run around with PVE builds and survive easily in PVP. Just like PVP players shouldn’t expect to do well in PVE trials and dungeons with PVP builds.

PvP players don't need to do that for any events I have seen.

There’s events where to unlock certain rewards you need to go into dungeons.

And you can do those in full PvP gear.

and you can complete an Imperial City daily standing naked on a wall flicking arrows at NPCs below.

Sorry, what dailies are you talking about? That you just need to flick arrows at them from above to finish it? Naked?

The Arena District daily quest can be done from the tower by using a bow. But it takes forever so I wouldn’t recommend.

DestroyerPewnack

ZOS_RachelM wrote: »

It is never appropriate to resort to [...] jabs

Templar nerf confirmed. Finally!

yoyo420232

I am one of the gankers that have made a killing off of telvar this event and I just wanna say thank you for your donation to my alchemy fund

langewapper

as a pvp player i like to kill gankers waiting at the exit doors
made a lot of telvar this event, thanks gankers

grkkll

What the game needs is a new item, kind of a Tel Var Bomb, only accessible in PVE. This TVB is completely harmless in the hands of the obtainer but any ganker is rewarded with insta-death if it is looted and on detonation his entire store of stones is removed/destroyed

stefj68

i did those wb in wrothgar with no gear... just tagging alone... but i didnt go far in IC with the same setup! this is not a balanced event for pvers!

markulrich1966

stefj68 wrote: »

i did those wb in wrothgar with no gear... just tagging alone... but i didnt go far in IC with the same setup! this is not a balanced event for pvers!

there is the quest in the arena district where you don't even have to leave the safe platform to gain your event-ticket.

But unfortunately this is widely unknown, just got feedback from other players this weekend at facebook who were astonished when I wrote about it.
Myself I farmed 100 reward boxes for the timbercrow costume, with my thief or my other PVE characters at off-time (4 am), got detected/killed very seldom.

So in the end we have: "same procedure as last year?" - "same procedure as every year!".

The event does not attract people to spend more time in IC, and the zone will be completely dead until the next event in half a year or so. Again a missed chance to introduce some changes to make IC more relevant agfain.

Jura23

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

love the event, i spend hours waiting for ppl to return from molag with my share of the telvar

I'm happy there are ppl camping sewers base entrance during these events. Nothing is better than ganking the gankers.

postukana_struna

I am playing this game for almost two years now, started on PS and now I play PC.
I like both PVE and PVP content. I like this game in general. It has soo much content for lots of tastes.
I even like IC, but I dont go there to often.
It saddens me that I see PVP players there that just dont give a s..t about someone being like 1000+ CP bellow them.

During this event what I noticed is mostly those, oh to high of a difference in CP levels constantly waiting for much lower level players to get there do a quest and not letting them even finish or start.
So instead of doing a quest that for me personally brings a lot of experience in a normal time, i had to do them for hours on end, not leaving me with much time to do something else.
That is why I dont like gankers, they just go for easy kills. Most of them. Waiting on the spots where quests are done and just killing you before u even have a chance to notice.
And you know if u start a character from start u cant really prepare for PVP in a short period of time.
I personally would remove all hiding abilities from PVP.
And most of all, It would be nice if we had options to have realms/servers/blades in IC that have options based on how many CP you have.
For example No Cp up to 50, from level 50 to Cp 300, from 300 too 600, from 600 to 900 and after that one that everybody else can join in.
Buffs that you can get with Cp points do show, slotable and mostly passives.

Remathilis

To the guy who was camping in front of the ballistas ganking people stuck in the torch animation, I hope you enjoyed 50% of my telvar. 50% of zero is still zero.

Zama666

Gankers be gankin'

Can't blame them. Have to outsmart them.

I was actually dead for most of the time I was Imperial City....all my Telvar...mostly taken.

Time to learn...

FlopsyPrince

Zama666 wrote: »

Gankers be gankin'

Can't blame them. Have to outsmart them.

I was actually dead for most of the time I was Imperial City....all my Telvar...mostly taken.

Time to learn...

Yes we can blame them. We can't do anything about them though. That is why events that require this become so annoying, except for the people who like to gank, hence the suggestion to rename the event to be accurate.

FlopsyPrince

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Having an event that leaves a significant number of players coming out of it thinking that so many other players are _______ (your term here) is not good for the game in the slightest.

The other way to look at it is, having a "significant" number of players continue to refuse to learn how to counter certain playstyles, or even how to PvP, is bad for the game. There are people in this thread who explained repeatedly how to counter nightblades. There are loads of videos on Youtube that show you how, with gameplay footage.

You're not necessarily a significant number. People who are happy or indifferent with the state of the game usually have no reason to come to the forums and share how they feel. It's only people who have complaints, (legitimate or otherwise,) who end up here.

That is not completely true. I have posted many things here that do not fit the "complaint" area. I have regularly asked how things worked, where to find things, etc.

Those who participate in forums will do so without a complaint reason.

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I would be all for them adding an IC/Cyrodiil OPTION to every event. Don't hide certain rewards behind that (except Tel Var and AP), but let people pick what they want.

I haven't learned how to do trials and would be just as annoyed (in other ways) if doing a trial was the only way to get tickets. I like without the other trial rewards (gear) just fine.

I do not have to spend hours trying something I am likely to never get good at. I would be much more open to PvP even if I was paired with others who sucked as much as I do, but that won't happen in ESO.

I do have a great many annoyances with the game right now, partially because I made the switch to the PC and their support of that is downright poor. I also am really bothered by the topic we are not even allowed to note, let alone discuss. (Nor do they respond to questions about it.) All that makes tolerance for things ebb quite a bit low.

(And add on bugs that have been around years and you get lots of things to be frustrated about.)

martinhpb16_ESO

I loved it.

As a pvp player who hardly ever gets anything new in this game it was real fun to have IC full and populated.

I farmed over 500k tvs and had some great fights and fun ganks.

IC is my favourite zone, I play there a lot. Mostly its pretty empty.

It's a pvp zone, adapt to survive and if you are not a pvp player just have fun with the challenge of getting your quests done in the mayhem.

I saw plenty of great big groups of pve players all zerging together and running down solo gankers. I don't see the gankers complaining.

For me the challenge was how many tvs I could farm and how high I could get my kill streak and kb ratio. Each to their own

Us pvp players get hardly anything as it is, some players just want it all their own way.

Complaining that you get attacked by pvp players in a pvp zone is a bit like me complaining that I had to team up with people and learn some new stuff just to get an elite piece from a trial.

Hey I am a pvp player I just want my set pieces, why I gotta do all this pve!

Ken_Koerperich

Loved it, as I don't do events....

Not worth my time or the heart ache/trolling you receive...

Lumsdenml

Remathilis wrote: »

I think it would be hilarious if they made the next most-powerful PvP meta set a 9 trait craft set with bind-on-creation. All those PvP players would have to become Master Craftsmen. 😆😆

I PVP and am also a Grand Master Crafter. We do exist.

Lumsdenml

Missing this event so much right now....

dem0n1k

After reading so many threads about how it's so easy for NB gankers in IC... I figured I'd get out my stamblade that I haven't played in years & give it a go! To be fair... mostly posters are fairly correct..stamblades do a LOT of damage rn & when facing unsuspecting, non-buffing opponents, it's very possible to kill in one burst combo.

The flipside is... if caught out by a decent PVP player with any of the many de-cloaking tools.. I was dead almost as quickly. I admit I am very bad at NB though... I can't use shade to save my life & relied on dodge & cloak. My ancient NB build is definitely not fast enough in the current meta. A rough estimate would be that I got around 5 kills to every death. Not really that great for retaining TV

I went back in to IC with my regular PVP Sorc & was much more successful. Died much less & made more TV.

FlopsyPrince

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I saw plenty of great big groups of pve players all zerging together and running down solo gankers. I don't see the gankers complaining.

That is because they would get almost no sympathy there.

It also is relatively rare, much rarer than the opposite.

KovalskyNestor

As a strict pve player I always thought that people kinda overeacted to gankers in pvp. Until one day I decided to "explore" IC a bit more and do some achievements. I was not just ganked but there were people deliberately following me long distances and sweating to kill me. Camping outside in our sewers and hiding in the corners to kill you. Camping at the quest objectives.Taunting when you get killed and so on..
The amount of time and dedication they put to kill you just for the "lulz" is very annoying and then they wonder why people dislike pvp and IC in general.
After experiencing that all in just 20 minutes of playing, I felt horrible and mad.

Lumsdenml

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

As a strict pve player I always thought that people kinda overeacted to gankers in pvp. Until one day I decided to "explore" IC a bit more and do some achievements. I was not just ganked but there were people deliberately following me long distances and sweating to kill me. Camping outside in our sewers and hiding in the corners to kill you. Camping at the quest objectives.Taunting when you get killed and so on..
The amount of time and dedication they put to kill you just for the "lulz" is very annoying and then they wonder why people dislike pvp and IC in general.
After experiencing that all in just 20 minutes of playing, I felt horrible and mad.

Interesting. Is there pve content that you had to put work into to complete? A vet dlc hm dungeon or trial? Something that kept killing you for more than 20min before you completed it?