So on the PS5 Version I have to do all Trophies again?

beer781993

So much energy wasted on this...
I am constantly checking my emails for news/new posts.
Absolutely can't wait for this to happen.

ZoS, I am putting my faith into you for one last time!

Please make this high priority. It's so important to me and many others.

Thank you

Moridin_82

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, just wanted to drop in here real quick. While ESO does not currently allow sharing trophies from PS4 to PS5, we have read all of the comments and concerns in this thread. We are looking into alternatives for this feature and will let you know if we are able to do an import of trophies in the future. Thank you for your feedback!

Show us that you care about us

Elsonso

B0SSzombie wrote: »

I just still don't understand why it's so hard for them.

Of all the games I play, ESO has, by FAR, the easiest way to check what you've done: The Journal.

Every single Trophy has an achievement in the Journal that corresponds to it.

How hard is it to have the game do a sweep of the Journal then unlock the Trophies that match your achievements?

It's not hard.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that ZOS did not do this because they were under the impression that this was something that Playstation did not want. My belief is that this is based on Sony policy decisions, communicated to ZOS, and interpreted as "the law" regarding the PS4 to PS5 upgrade. ZOS knew about this before we did, and even put it into their FAQ. That suggests that this decision was "final". Since ZOS has no reason to permanently deny Trophy conversion, the only logical source of the decision is somewhere above ZOS, like Bethesda or XBox, or with Sony. As events have unfolded and information has been gathered, the Finger of Blame is definitely drifting in the Sony direction. This does not excuse all blame from ZOS, but I don't see them as the original instigators of this.

XBox did this right, at least from the XBox customer perspective. Old ESO is the "same game" as New ESO on my XBox. I don't even have the option to download and run the old version (that I am aware of). This is how it should have been done on Playstation. Frankly, as soon as I heard about the "please insert disc" problem, I figured that this was messed up at the Sony level. It looks like Sony is trying to keep ESO PS4 and ESO PS5 as separate games. From where I sit, nothing good has come from that.

As for the idea expressed above, that is the "phoning it in" solution. I asked about this already and it sounds like that would save the Trophies, but reset the date to "today". That may be what ZOS does, since the water has already gone over the dam, so to speak. If they do this, I would expect that it will take a couple of patches to accomplish.

Hopefully, this is not a situation where you have to log in with the PS4 version so that ZOS can download the Trophies through some Playstation API, save them locally, then when the user runs the PS5 version, ZOS uploads them to Playstation. ESO is not a small footprint game. I would expect that this would not be welcomed by anyone who has already deleted the PS4 game.

KT_Fox

This is just not acceptable. We should not have to redo content we have already achieved. It destroys our trust in the future of the game.

Sub_Xero

Elsonso wrote: »

mrchargerlover wrote: »

I hope they make it autopop trophies on ps5 that are earned on ps4 and vice versa. Accidentally completed "Hero of the Daggerfall Covenant" trophy on my ps5 version and would have to redo on ps4 with a new character if it doesn't pop

I wonder about whether they even can do this, after the fact.

They can. The same way any developer fixes broken trophies in

cave_troll wrote: »

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

cave_troll wrote: »

Avoranti wrote: »

After giving this some more thought, I think the initial reasoning was to not double the trophy value. We’ve already earned them on PS4 so to prevent being credited again for an already earned trophy (thus increasing your total earned trophies) they just chose to not roll them over.

A fix for this I think would be to visually alter the trophy UI to show it’s been earned but not actually add another value to the total trophies earned. Because technically, on the PS5 version, we haven’t earned the trophy. But earning it again would grant 1 to your overall total.

So say you have 200 trophies total and 50 are from ESO, instead of rolling the trophies over granting an additional 50 trophies from PS5 giving a total of 250, it would stay the same value but visually show you’ve earned it.

If I’m making any sense.

Or they could just grant the trophies AND their value towards the overall total.

Well that's Sony's fault. They made lists for both versions. ZoS only chose not to sync the lists which we all agree on, is madness

Sure blame Sony when most other games unlock trophies for both automatically

Did you actually read? I blamed Sony for introducing 2 lists and ZoS for not syncing them.

They are both to blame

Sony didn't introduce two lists. Upgraded versions of PS4 games are entirely new apps/games (at least on the system level) which is why there is a separate trophy list. I've already explained this and why it was done this way.

The biggest fault of Sony's was not requiring all new versions of old games to automatically unlock all previously obtained trophies. Saves don't have to carry over either. They should have mandated that they had to as well. They left these choices up to the developers, and while most have done "right" by their customers/fans, a couple have not. I've pointed it out already, but Doom Eternal and ESO are two of a handful of games that don't, and both of those games have something in common.

Phil1001-Up

I actually prefer having separate PS4 and PS5 versions of games on PlayStation as you know what you're getting from the clear definition between generations. As a consumer that allows me to easily make some assumptions about how the game operates and what systems I can play it on without having to look anything up or potentially get caught out later. For example: the classic case of grandparents buying video game gifts and getting it wrong. Although this time around we're seeing the rise of a digital-only console, which is a new complication to be aware of.

Obviously the decision to have separate trophy lists is really annoying for those of us that care, which is a minority. I doubt (in my opinion) there was much thought to how achievement/trophies work with this upgrade and therefore relying on the design of the platform. It's likely an API within the game development kit that developers can invoke whenever they need to for awarding trophies, and in this case there was simply no task allocated to that feature outside where it was already programmed to award trophies from the original 2015 PS4.

I'm not a dev or an expert, I feel the simplest explanations are usually the correct ones.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

Are the xbox x consoles getting an upgrade/already have one? If so and their trophies aren't jacked around, then the reason would be clear.

I myself couldn't care less, I roll games for in game achievements and fun.....but would find it 'humorous' (childish) if this were to only happen to Sony players....

cave_troll

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Are the xbox x consoles getting an upgrade/already have one? If so and their trophies aren't jacked around, then the reason would be clear.

I myself couldn't care less, I roll games for in game achievements and fun.....but would find it 'humorous' (childish) if this were to only happen to Sony players....

Xbox got achievements and one list for both versions while on PlayStation both games are treated as separate games with their own trophy lists.

If you play the Ps5 version you basically start with 0 trophies and can't continue the ps4 list. To continue it you have to play the ~20 fps ps4 version which sucks.

The stupid thing is that trophies pop if you get the ingame achievement. If your char already got that, you can't earn the trophies anymore. You are forced to make a new character.

Worst thing is to do fisherman and emperor again. Plus all zone clears.

It sucks so much that I can't bring myself to login anymore.

Adzer2

Don't know why they even needed a new trophy list, I would have been much happier to continue to work on the same trophy set with just a graphical update for PS5

I dont want a brand new trophy list, so I'm stuck playing the PS4 version on PS5, seems a waste

jaws343

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Are the xbox x consoles getting an upgrade/already have one? If so and their trophies aren't jacked around, then the reason would be clear.

I myself couldn't care less, I roll games for in game achievements and fun.....but would find it 'humorous' (childish) if this were to only happen to Sony players....

Xbox designed the better next gen game system interaction with their older games. So no dev work was needed for trophies on Xbox, for any game, since the game is considered exactly the same on the Series X as it is on the Xbox One and the smart delivery optimizes the game it for whatever platform it is being run on. I can boot up my Xbox One and play and anything I do trophy wise is no different than if I were playing on the Series X, since it is considered the same game.

PS counts it as two different games. That's entirely on the way they designed their system.

Phil1001-Up

[snip]

It works perfectly fine for other games on PS5, it ain’t broke, Zenimax just didn’t use the tools available. I can understand this because it requires dev time for what is a free visual upgrade. We’re here asking if they would please reconsider and hoping for the best outcome 👍

[edited for baiting]

Dauntess13

jaws343 wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Are the xbox x consoles getting an upgrade/already have one? If so and their trophies aren't jacked around, then the reason would be clear.

I myself couldn't care less, I roll games for in game achievements and fun.....but would find it 'humorous' (childish) if this were to only happen to Sony players....

Xbox designed the better next gen game system interaction with their older games. So no dev work was needed for trophies on Xbox, for any game, since the game is considered exactly the same on the Series X as it is on the Xbox One and the smart delivery optimizes the game it for whatever platform it is being run on. I can boot up my Xbox One and play and anything I do trophy wise is no different than if I were playing on the Series X, since it is considered the same game.

PS counts it as two different games. That's entirely on the way they designed their system.

There are multiple games that install the ps5 ontop of the PS4 version. The first that comes to mind is no man's sky. You can click on the game and run it as the PS4 or ps5 version. Also, you can just delete one of the versions too. Sony's problem is they usually leave things up to the developers, to give them more freedom, but in my opinion, that just lets them get away with stuff like this.

Xx_Santolaya_xX

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it

Xx_Santolaya_xX

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

cave_troll

Xx_Santolaya_xX wrote: »

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

I don't think it was to punish anyone but more likely to not spent more money on extra development.

Their servers are on fire once again and there are new bugs everywhere... plus the event, people complaining about endeavours etc.. They have a lot to work on and are busy.

Of course it does not excuse the trophy issue and I also stopped playing. I think this won't be resolved in 1 or 2 weeks.

I wish they would update us more frequently. I hate to be left in the dark, not knowing if I will continue my favourite game or drop it. If not at least emperor and fisherman get imported to the Ps5 list then I am done.

Xx_Santolaya_xX

I have spent a lot of money on this game. I have sold other games to be able to renew the eso plus for a year because I only played ESO. I am the guildmaster of a guild with many active members and I don't feel like playing. it is an enormous lack of respect towards the players that we dedicate many hours of our lives in this game. I am very outraged and hope they fix it soon.

Prof_Bawbag

Xx_Santolaya_xX wrote: »

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

That is absolutely correct. MS pumped $7.5b into Bethesda so they could screw over a small number of players who happen to be playing ESO. This game ran and performed flawlessly up until MS purchased Zeni. No blue screens, no DC's, no lag, no long loading screens, no downgrading of textures, draw distances and what not.

You my friend, have been the only beacon of light on a very dark and slippery path that we have found ourselves navigating in the months since the take-over. You have it clear!!!

Phil1001-Up

cave_troll wrote: »

Xx_Santolaya_xX wrote: »

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

I don't think it was to punish anyone but more likely to not spent more money on extra development.

Their servers are on fire once again and there are new bugs everywhere... plus the event, people complaining about endeavours etc.. They have a lot to work on and are busy.

Of course it does not excuse the trophy issue and I also stopped playing. I think this won't be resolved in 1 or 2 weeks.

I wish they would update us more frequently. I hate to be left in the dark, not knowing if I will continue my favourite game or drop it. If not at least emperor and fisherman get imported to the Ps5 list then I am done.

That's a very good point, we may be waiting longer than expected for any resolution to this trophy issue due to everything else going on so soon after a major game update.

cave_troll

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Xx_Santolaya_xX wrote: »

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

That is absolutely correct. MS pumped $7.5b into Bethesda so they could screw over a small number of players who happen to be playing ESO. This game ran and performed flawlessly up until MS purchased Zeni. No blue screens, no DC's, no lag, no long loading screens, no downgrading of textures, draw distances and what not.

You my friend, have been the only beacon of light on a very dark and slippery path that we have found ourselves navigating in the months since the take-over. You have it clear!!!

This game never ran flawlessly. I played it on PC for years. Fps were always low even on my beast.
Maintenances always took longer and after nearly every chapter release up until blackwood, there were at least 3 days downtime.
Has nothing to do with Microsoft.

Ps4 Version always sucked and was at 20-25 fps with input lags.

I am so used to it I don't care anymore. Started on PlayStation because I wanted to collect the trophies. Played hundreds of hours there, only to find out that the Ps5 version has another list which makes my accomplishments basically worthless.

beer781993

Can we stop discussing who is to blame?

It doesn't matter!

All that matters is that they import and sync trophy lists in both versions.

I am glad though that so many people constantly post [snip] here, so the thread won’t die.

@ZoS please don't do a 1 time only import!
Synchronise both trophy lists, so it does not matter which version you play or this issue might rise up again very soon. Not that many people have a Ps5 yet and many are not aware of this dilemma.
That means when Ps5 consoles are available to more people, you will have to deal with even more complaints. It's only the beginning.

Be an example for other developers and become heroes to PlayStation players. You will only benefit from it!

[snipped for profanity bypass]

Prof_Bawbag

cave_troll wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Xx_Santolaya_xX wrote: »

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

That is absolutely correct. MS pumped $7.5b into Bethesda so they could screw over a small number of players who happen to be playing ESO. This game ran and performed flawlessly up until MS purchased Zeni. No blue screens, no DC's, no lag, no long loading screens, no downgrading of textures, draw distances and what not.

You my friend, have been the only beacon of light on a very dark and slippery path that we have found ourselves navigating in the months since the take-over. You have it clear!!!

This game never ran flawlessly. I played it on PC for years. Fps were always low even on my beast.
Maintenances always took longer and after nearly every chapter release up until blackwood, there were at least 3 days downtime.
Has nothing to do with Microsoft.

Ps4 Version always sucked and was at 20-25 fps with input lags.

I am so used to it I don't care anymore. Started on PlayStation because I wanted to collect the trophies. Played hundreds of hours there, only to find out that the Ps5 version has another list which makes my accomplishments basically worthless.

Yeah ... about my post. I wasn't being serious. Barring the abomination that was the first year of the game, the issue really began with IC. That's went things began slowly going downhill. It's when the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng loading screens first appeared, it's when the lag in Cyrodiil became a constant issue.

Anyone who blames MS have obviously just began playing the game a month or so before the MS deal was announced.

B0SSzombie

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

cave_troll wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Xx_Santolaya_xX wrote: »

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

That is absolutely correct. MS pumped $7.5b into Bethesda so they could screw over a small number of players who happen to be playing ESO. This game ran and performed flawlessly up until MS purchased Zeni. No blue screens, no DC's, no lag, no long loading screens, no downgrading of textures, draw distances and what not.

You my friend, have been the only beacon of light on a very dark and slippery path that we have found ourselves navigating in the months since the take-over. You have it clear!!!

This game never ran flawlessly. I played it on PC for years. Fps were always low even on my beast.
Maintenances always took longer and after nearly every chapter release up until blackwood, there were at least 3 days downtime.
Has nothing to do with Microsoft.

Ps4 Version always sucked and was at 20-25 fps with input lags.

I am so used to it I don't care anymore. Started on PlayStation because I wanted to collect the trophies. Played hundreds of hours there, only to find out that the Ps5 version has another list which makes my accomplishments basically worthless.

Yeah ... about my post. I wasn't being serious. Barring the abomination that was the first year of the game, the issue really began with IC. That's went things began slowly going downhill. It's when the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng loading screens first appeared, it's when the lag in Cyrodiil became a constant issue.

Anyone who blames MS have obviously just began playing the game a month or so before the MS deal was announced.

I still blame Microsoft, but only in that there's the possibilty that they're obstructing development of "Bonus Features" (Like Trophy syncing) for Zenimax owned properties on PlayStation. Why would they put funds towards something exclusive to a competitor?

Elsonso

B0SSzombie wrote: »

I still blame Microsoft, but only in that there's the possibilty that they're obstructing development of "Bonus Features" (Like Trophy syncing) for Zenimax owned properties on PlayStation. Why would they put funds towards something exclusive to a competitor?

The bigger question is why would Microsoft/XBox/Bethesda/ZOS intentionally cripple or damage a property that they just enhanced and is still being sold and maintained on the Playstation platform? They stand to lose in this transaction, both money and reputation. Sony, who I blame for creating this, comes off smelling like a rose in any scenario where the ZOS side deliberately sabotages the ESO players. (This thread is evidence enough of that)

This is why my assumption is a misunderstanding somewhere.

jaws343

Xx_Santolaya_xX wrote: »

the subject can be discussed from different points of view. but I have it clear. Zenimax has not wanted to pass trophies from ps4 to ps5 to punish playstation players. on xbox if they have passed them without problem. bethesda was bought by microsoft and there is no doubt that playstation players have ignored us. It is a decision that hurts a multitude of players who love this game and have dedicated thousands of hours to get the trophies. We do not deserve this incomprehensible treatment. I've decided to stop playing until the TROPHY THEME is fixed because I'm not going to start over and get them all over again. As you can see I am very angry because the days go by and they do not solve it.

But the difference is, no extra dev work was required to make trophies work on Xbox because Microsoft designed their system to have trophies persist between console version.

PS designed their system to require a set of trophies for each console version, which would require extra work to make that happen for Zos.

It has nothing to do with punishment or favor and everything to do with system design and extra effort for a fairly meaningless, external to the game, trophy set.

B0SSzombie

Elsonso wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

I still blame Microsoft, but only in that there's the possibilty that they're obstructing development of "Bonus Features" (Like Trophy syncing) for Zenimax owned properties on PlayStation. Why would they put funds towards something exclusive to a competitor?

The bigger question is why would Microsoft/XBox/Bethesda/ZOS intentionally cripple or damage a property that they just enhanced and is still being sold and maintained on the Playstation platform? They stand to lose in this transaction, both money and reputation. Sony, who I blame for creating this, comes off smelling like a rose in any scenario where the ZOS side deliberately sabotages the ESO players. (This thread is evidence enough of that)

This is why my assumption is a misunderstanding somewhere.

I mean, I wouldn't describe not supporting trophy sync an action that "cripples or damages" the game or it's standing. It doesn't impact the gameplay, and admittedly the player base that actually cares about Trophies is not that large.

What bugs me is just how deliberate it seems to block Trophy Sync when it's the default for all the other Cross-Grn games I've seen.

Riptide

I didn’t have time to verify that the dev post in his thread is moderation of the thread rather than acknowledging the issue, but that would be par for the course.

Just acknowledge and fix it, it is awful this bizarre stonewall approach.

Elsonso

Riptide wrote: »

I didn’t have time to verify that the dev post in his thread is moderation of the thread rather than acknowledging the issue, but that would be par for the course.

Just acknowledge and fix it, it is awful this bizarre stonewall approach.

ZOS and Bethesda have both indicated that this is being looked at, with no promise that anything will be done.

lillybit

Riptide wrote: »

I didn’t have time to verify that the dev post in his thread is moderation of the thread rather than acknowledging the issue, but that would be par for the course.

Just acknowledge and fix it, it is awful this bizarre stonewall approach.

Believe it or not, there was a "thank you for you feedback, we're looking into it and will let you know if anything changes" post. It was a little vague to really be very significant tho - that "if" kinda ruined it for me and made it feel like they were just trying to shut us up!

Riptide

Oh good. Thats the approach that is sensible

And appreciated.

TequilaFire

This is akin to Maelstrom weapons decision, I don't think it goes as high as Microsoft.