How are you feeling about 50% of your XP earned being unceremoniously deleted for Update 29's CP 2.0

DaveMoeDee

Merforum wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

You bought something for $400. A year later it's $300. Most are asking for the $100 returned to them

But please... tell me again how I'm "wrong" When it's a difference of opinion.

That's an absolute backwards analogy. A proper analogy would be as an IT contractor agreed to work for ZOS and they agreed to pay me $5000 for small project and I worked my butt off did a great job and now they are saying guess what I'll give you $3000 but thanks for your hard work.

That analogy is a failure because you got your XP and you got your CP. You got paid. If we want to use your analogy, if the company raises the amount they pay in new contracts, that doesn't retroactively change the old contract. Plus, contracts have a period. After that period, you negotiate a new contract. Well, starting with this patch, you are on a new contract. New contracts don't pay you retroactively for the term of the old contract.

When you played, you knew exactly what you would be receiving and you chose to play. If the reward weren't enough, you shouldn't have been playing.

Inaya

Oh lord! My time in game is represented by OVERALL accomplishments and the fun I had getting them. CP is just a small part of the game.

DaveMoeDee

jle30303 wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

I don't see the issue.

Anything you have earnt, stays. It's not like you are losing CP.

Any counter argument you make to someone explaining why this isn't bad you just disregard it.

But, everything you have earnt, DOES NOT STAY: you cannot gain the same bonuses and buffs with 810 CP post-change, as you could with 810 CP pre-change.

So even though you keep the actual number 810 as your CP total, those 810 MEAN LESS.

To be frank: Every player is getting nerfed, and nobody likes being nerfed. I am prepared to bet that Zenimax will lose a considerable number of subscriptions over this.

While I find the general complaint about not being given extra CP for past leveling to be weak considering the game didn't do that in past cap increases, I do think losing passives, particularly the QoL ones related to loot, is pretty weak. I'm guessing I will be okay since I'm at around 1050, but I haven't checked it out yet. I've never been one to grind CP though. I always thought it would be dumb to grind CP when they will eventually up the limit and increase the XP-CP conversion rate as they always do.

EmEm_Oh

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Indifferent to most of the changes coming with Update 29, and excited about the new CP system, but I'm upset that my 40-60% of my XP is getting deleted. Time, effort, real money, and emotion, spent on building up my characters, gone, with zero compensation from ZOS.

Don't get me wrong, I GET IT. I understand why they're keeping whatever our CP in 1.0 is, and carry it over to 2.0. And I understand why they're changing the scale. I'm excited for it.

It just really upsets me that ZOS has done nothing, offered nothing, said nothing, about the loss of XP we HAVE earned. And I feel like I'm being cheated. I KNOW they can do better.

I expect them to do better.

But you still earned your CP. If you buy 21,000 Crowns at regular price...then 2 mos later ZOS has that package on sale...are you mad ZOS had the sale?

As a game moves forward...there will be adjusted ways to get experience. This happens in every game I've ever played. True, it may feel like you're getting cheated because it's easier for others to get to the CP level we all are (i'm at 1477 or something), but let's suppose ZOS gave you a 16 crates or a mount for your service.

Then we'd be void of your post...but another person would be so nice to get on here and complain about not getting crates and a mount and threaten subscription stops, etc.

Of all the issues ZOS should look at, I'm not convinced this is the one. For those who were way past the 810 mark, I'm pretty sure ZOS wants a compromised way to get everyone back up to speed, if you will. I wouldn't mind something in return for what CP I've gained, that's for sure...but it's not on my priority.

What currently is on my priority, is the basics. Like releasing a patch that doesn't screw-up every single time. I should be able to update, connect, and that's it. That hasn't happened in years.

Pallio

You can buy it back on crown store, get some 150 scrolls and grind it out.

Cirantille

I am annoyed because I finished my task of being 810 cp and was enjoying the game, it was working fine.

I didn't ask for this.

And as a working person, I certainly do not have time to grind cp or anything else with my limited time.

Lord_Eomer

Patch is released, this thread motive have been failed, may be better to close this thread move on and enjoy ESO..

Drygon

robertthebard wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

I am annoyed because I finished my task of being 810 cp and was enjoying the game, it was working fine.

I didn't ask for this.

And as a working person, I certainly do not have time to grind cp or anything else with my limited time.

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I'm in the same position, took me 6 years to reach CP 810....And now when i was able to enjoy the endgame as a casual player they do this....

No everyone can play day and night and having high CP does not mean you got it quickly.

Cirantille

Drygon wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

I am annoyed because I finished my task of being 810 cp and was enjoying the game, it was working fine.

I didn't ask for this.

And as a working person, I certainly do not have time to grind cp or anything else with my limited time.

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I'm in the same position, took me 6 years to reach CP 810....And now when i was able to enjoy the endgame as a casual player they do this....

No everyone can play day and night and having high CP does not mean you got it quickly.

Yeah basically this

robertthebard

Drygon wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

I am annoyed because I finished my task of being 810 cp and was enjoying the game, it was working fine.

I didn't ask for this.

And as a working person, I certainly do not have time to grind cp or anything else with my limited time.

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I'm in the same position, took me 6 years to reach CP 810....And now when i was able to enjoy the endgame as a casual player they do this....

No everyone can play day and night and having high CP does not mean you got it quickly.

I'm disabled, and mostly able to play all day every day, and yet, I don't have 810 CP. But I didn't "grind" for any of it, I just played the game, and advanced it as I got it.

CirithValaria

This is pretty much nothing compared when the old veteran rank system changed into 1.0 cp system.
Damn things became fast and easy with the CP stuff. And no effort needed at all with new characters (50+ lvl and insta max lvl).
Many of the old players had 8x VR16 characters which had to be individually leveled and that took awful lot time and xp which was lost.
..Oh how time flies, I wonder how many still remembers that grind

Lylith

L_Nici wrote: »

The thing is, it was never different. Every time the CP cap raised you kept your current CP. But there was never a raise of 2790 points, so it would have been nice to at least get some balance for that massive XP loss for older players. Its pretty much a slap in the face to veterans.

we've been getting slapped around and marginalized for years.

one of the many reasons i don't play much anymore.

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[Edited to remove Bashing]

AndlatAndometi

I'm pretty furious about this.
Nothing more to say.

Goregrinder

The dice are always rolling my friend. And they will continue rolling. The sooner you learn to handle it, the easier life will be when the dice don't land on your favorite number.

carlos424

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

You still have the exact same amount in your bank account but you can purchace more stuff with it

Look at the picture i posted. It's exactly the opposite. We have less "currency" in our account after this change. And if, as they said, this was done to address power creep, then it wouldnt matter that people were higher CP anyway.

Yeah i saw the picture
Its still not a problem to me
Like i said i did not want free cp
I earned 1300 cp not 1800

And the way it was handled was to be expected as its the exact same thing that happened every time they raised in the past

So, what youre saying is that someone who comes along now and puts your same time and effort into the game will have 1800 CP, where it only got you 1300? I guess, as long as youre fine with it.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

@tmbrinks

I checked the, I'm annoyed button. Both because it does feel a bit like they are pulling the rug out from under us, but also because your logic is pretty tough to refute. LOL

Agenericname

carlos424 wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

You still have the exact same amount in your bank account but you can purchace more stuff with it

Look at the picture i posted. It's exactly the opposite. We have less "currency" in our account after this change. And if, as they said, this was done to address power creep, then it wouldnt matter that people were higher CP anyway.

Yeah i saw the picture
Its still not a problem to me
Like i said i did not want free cp
I earned 1300 cp not 1800

And the way it was handled was to be expected as its the exact same thing that happened every time they raised in the past

So, what youre saying is that someone who comes along now and puts your same time and effort into the game will have 1800 CP, where it only got you 1300? I guess, as long as youre fine with it.

Its been this way. At 750CP I went straight to 780CP. The 749CP player spent less to get to 780CP than I did to get from 750 to 780.

What we see now is purchases made in larger bundles. In my case im getting 550 additional CP when I log in. Had the system not halted when it did and we had been given 30CP increases incrementally the sum of the XP spent would have been the same.

Its consistant with the way they have been doing it. The "catch up" mechanic in the form of reduced cost per CP was necessary.

It would be nice if they took the amount of XP needed for the 550CP and recalculated based on the new rates, but I didnt expect this to happen any other way.

Blackstar242

In all the other MMO's I have played, once you hit cap, you stopped gaining anything additional.

Does this mean that you stop playing because your not gaining anything? No, it means you move on and keep playing and have fun with your friends and teams.

I for one feel ZoS did fine with this change, and any points past 810 should be considered a bonus.

AlnilamE

carlos424 wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

You still have the exact same amount in your bank account but you can purchace more stuff with it

Look at the picture i posted. It's exactly the opposite. We have less "currency" in our account after this change. And if, as they said, this was done to address power creep, then it wouldnt matter that people were higher CP anyway.

Yeah i saw the picture
Its still not a problem to me
Like i said i did not want free cp
I earned 1300 cp not 1800

And the way it was handled was to be expected as its the exact same thing that happened every time they raised in the past

So, what youre saying is that someone who comes along now and puts your same time and effort into the game will have 1800 CP, where it only got you 1300? I guess, as long as youre fine with it.

Why wouldn't I be fine with it? Having newer players catch up faster is good for the game. It gives me more people to play with!

SimonBelmont

SimonBelmont wrote: »

Say I sell you a car. I get your money. You get my car. I'm happy with the money. And you're happy with the car.

But then I realize that I'd like to have more of your money. But I don't have another car to sell you...

So I steal back the car I already sold you, disassemble it, and sell it back to you a few pieces at a time.

And by the time I'm through, not only have you paid around 4.5 times what the car was worth, I never sold you back the wheels or ignition system. Instead, I made sure to include in all the junk from my house that I didn't want. What a deal, right?

So, you have more stuff now, than you did before.. Just, not a functional car...

furiouslog

Everyone is using these strained analogies. It's a super easy set of questions to figure out where you stand:

1. If you are a DPS, given that ZOS intended to nerf your damage by about 15%, can you reach the intended DPS benchmark today that you're supposed to be able to do with the CP you received in the transition?

2. If you are a crafter, can you utilize the same passives you had before the change with the CP you received?

3. Given the CP you received, do you have the same access to damage resistances that you had prior to the transition?

4. Knowing all of that, if you are falling short today, will you be able to eventually reach those targets with additional XP grind?

If you were at or above 810 yesterday, and the answer to any of the first three is no, and the answer to the fourth one is yes, then ZOS beefed it.

Elsonso

Drygon wrote: »

I'm in the same position, took me 6 years to reach CP 810....And now when i was able to enjoy the endgame as a casual player they do this....

You can still enjoy the game as a casual player. This is not starting over.

naturebased

I am more worried about my DPS dropping a flat 20% rather than what CP level I am. At 810 I was not hitting DPS goals they say you should be at and thats with a full rotation. So now my weak character is even more weak, and my CP power isnt equivalent to what it was on top of that either. Yikes.

AndlatAndometi

Just responding for the sake of responding, since I don't want to let this go by unnoticed.
If you work in the land of "Flafalute" (just a random name) and you earn 500 schmeckles a month (in this world 1 schmeckle equals 2 euro's), then prior to your payday the currency in the country changes to euro's, yet when payday comes you only get payed 500 euro's instead of the 1000 you should've earned.
That's pretty much what they did here.

remosito

am ready to accept it and move on.

me too:

- Cancelled eso+
- won't preoder collectors edition chapters anymore. At best buy 60% off a few months later.
- no more crown packs once or twice a year when on sale.

remosito

kargen27 wrote: »

You are losing nothing. There is a mechanic in place that will allow new players to catch up quicker. And if you've had fun playing the game the CP doesn't matter anyway just keep on having fun.

except I wont. was able to dual purpose my chars (all tanks or healers who do solo/pvp) at least a bit before. can't anymore.

I could actually if my full Xp were counted and I was cp 1900 instead of still 1200...

TejasEric

I’ve cancelled ESO+ and informed my guilds why I’m leaving. Not going to play for a while at minimum. I feel like this patch was a major slap in the face and showed me ZOS only cares about new players not long time players like me

AndlatAndometi

TejasEric wrote: »

I’ve cancelled ESO+ and informed my guilds why I’m leaving. Not going to play for a while at minimum. I feel like this patch was a major slap in the face and showed me ZOS only cares about new players not long time players like me

same dude, same.

remosito

TejasEric wrote: »

I’ve cancelled ESO+ and informed my guilds why I’m leaving. Not going to play for a while at minimum. I feel like this patch was a major slap in the face and showed me ZOS only cares about new players not long time players like me

cancelled eso+ as well. gonna buy chapter at 60% off a few months later, if ever.

might keep playing though once every 10 days or so to burn enlightenment. in a couple years I should have the xp back they just nuked.

and screw me, but the idea of using their server and internet and costing them. without them getting money from me anymore.. feels almost cathartic..

TejasEric

remosito wrote: »

and screw me, but the idea of using their server and internet and costing them. without them getting money from me anymore.. feels almost cathartic..

I have considered this course of action too but decided against it. However you do you man. Do what you think is best. If enough people stop giving them money maybe they’ll reverse course.