How are you feeling about 50% of your XP earned being unceremoniously deleted for Update 29's CP 2.0

spacewolfplays

Indifferent to most of the changes coming with Update 29, and excited about the new CP system, but I'm upset that my 40-60% of my XP is getting deleted. Time, effort, real money, and emotion, spent on building up my characters, gone, with zero compensation from ZOS.

Don't get me wrong, I GET IT. I understand why they're keeping whatever our CP in 1.0 is, and carry it over to 2.0. And I understand why they're changing the scale. I'm excited for it.

It just really upsets me that ZOS has done nothing, offered nothing, said nothing, about the loss of XP we HAVE earned. And I feel like I'm being cheated. I KNOW they can do better.

I expect them to do better.

Mindcr0w

Annoyed yes, but more than that I feel like the conversation has been done to death several times over and I'm ready to accept it and move on.

L_Nici

The thing is, it was never different. Every time the CP cap raised you kept your current CP. But there was never a raise of 2790 points, so it would have been nice to at least get some balance for that massive XP loss for older players. Its pretty much a slap in the face to veterans.

Mariusghost84

I dont get it. I'm cp 1250. How is my xp getting deleted on cp.2?

Mindcr0w

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I dont get it. I'm cp 1250. How is my xp getting deleted on cp.2?

It is and it isn't.

Basically the xp to gain cp is being significantly reduced until very high cp. So under the new system the xp you've earned to get to 1250 would have gotten you much higher, but your cp isn't being adjusted when the changes go live.

Vevvev

Is getting Maelstrom weapon flashbacks

spacewolfplays

L_Nici wrote: »

The thing is, it was never different. Every time the CP cap raised you kept your current CP. But there was never a raise of 2790 points, so it would have been nice to at least get some balance for that massive XP loss for older players. Its pretty much a slap in the face to veterans.

They've raised the CP cap before but they hadnt changed the way XP scaled.

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I dont get it. I'm cp 1250. How is my xp getting deleted on cp.2?

They're changing the scale of how much XP it takes to level.

What previously took 112,139,960 XP to reach CP 600, will now only require 61,680,386, a change of 45%. To me, personally, that XP represents time I spent on the game. So to me, having the thing that basically defines a big chunk of my character, their level, stay the same, without acknowledging this change, makes me really angry.

spacewolfplays

Vevvev wrote: »

Is getting Maelstrom weapon flashbacks

This is exactly what I said in my other post on the topic in PTR section of the forum: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/564053/im-absolutely-infuriated-that-50-of-my-time-spent-into-the-game-is-getting-zosed/p1

fioskal

It's the same thing they've done every time CP cap was changed. Keep old CP the same, change the scale to make catchup easier. It's what I expected to happen from the beginning, tbh.

TwinLamps

I feel like [censored].
If I knew this would be the case I would never roll multiple accounts.
Also, if I knew gear we bought chapters/dlcs for is not usable in cyrodiil for 6 more months Id not buy some of these at all.
I wont be buying new content because I dont trust zenimax at all anymore.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Nothing really get stolen...

Its like when the value of your currencie goes up
You still have the exact same amount in your bank account but you can purchace more stuff with it

Im just past 1300 currently as i understand i would be near 1800 if they ajusted but i did not earn 1800 cp but i did earn 1300.
I dont want free cp

Also its how it worked every time cp were raised before

spacewolfplays

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

You still have the exact same amount in your bank account but you can purchace more stuff with it

Look at the picture i posted. It's exactly the opposite. We have less "currency" in our account after this change. And if, as they said, this was done to address power creep, then it wouldnt matter that people were higher CP anyway.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

You still have the exact same amount in your bank account but you can purchace more stuff with it

Look at the picture i posted. It's exactly the opposite. We have less "currency" in our account after this change. And if, as they said, this was done to address power creep, then it wouldnt matter that people were higher CP anyway.

Yeah i saw the picture
Its still not a problem to me
Like i said i did not want free cp
I earned 1300 cp not 1800

And the way it was handled was to be expected as its the exact same thing that happened every time they raised in the past

Pink_Pixie

I've not voted here, as I've offered my point of view on numerous other threads. And don't fancy going over it all again. In short, I feel that veterans, are being treated poorly.

Of course that is my view and opinion, and not everyone will agree. Do feel free to look at the other threads that have been going for a while now. It'll explain my own thoughts and many other peoples thoughts on this matter.

tmbrinks

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

spacewolfplays

@Pink_Pixie I hear you, i feel like those threads all focused on whether or not we should get to keep our CP or be raised to the level CP that our XP is equal to.

That's not what I care about. I like the new CP system, and I'm fine with my CP staying where it is, rather than jumping up 40%.

I just want them to acknowledge the loss of XP, and ideally have SOME compensation for it.

linuxlady

given that your exp points earn you your champion points, the amount of champion points you have should equal your current exp points.

by locking in your current champion points they are thereby lowering the exp points you had earned which is rude and wrong.

under either system your cp is determined by your exp points and that shouldn't change. if you have enough experience points to earn 1200 cp under the old system but under the new system the same amount of exp points earns you 2400 cp then you should be awarded the cp accordingly because it's your exp points that earn you your cp

anything other than this is a ripoff of exp points earned. esp since those exp points were harder to earn under the old system

my guess is that their cure for power creep is to chase away as many vet players as possible by pissing them off as much as possible.

as for me i dont care much really. I'm focused on gathering crafted sets currently. until i catch up on those i don't much care what the rest of the game does until it effects my ability to earn writ vouchers and in game gold from daily crafting writs.

spacewolfplays

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

tmbrinks

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

spacewolfplays

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

tmbrinks

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

You bought something for $400. A year later it's $300. Most are asking for the $100 returned to them

But please... tell me again how I'm "wrong" When it's a difference of opinion.

zaria

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I dont get it. I'm cp 1250. How is my xp getting deleted on cp.2?

It is and it isn't.

Basically the xp to gain cp is being significantly reduced until very high cp. So under the new system the xp you've earned to get to 1250 would have gotten you much higher, but your cp isn't being adjusted when the changes go live.

Yes like how I managed to get to veteran level 14, doing all the quests in the base game + lots of dungeons and PvP.
What would the cp level be if you did all the base game quests today? You typically earned a bit above 1 veteran level doing all the quests in a zone and that is not just required for Cadvind silver or gold but the achievement for quests in zone and overland was harder so it took far longer.
Daily random dungeon did not exist at launch, nor enlightenment.

You have never gotten free CP levels then CP cap has increased, and it has always been an penalty of +50% XP penalty for CP above cap
We should be happy cap was raised to 1800 previosly it was 1080 something who would make getting up to CP 1800 an year long grind.
The one thing who is wrong with the new system is the +50% XP for CP above 1800 since its not the cap its just an number to set the XP requirement, cap is 3600.

And yes its has maelstrom weapon parallels. However you had your weapon earlier and you can get new ones just farming normal or get an better one in veteran.

zaria

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

You bought something for $400. A year later it's $300. Most are asking for the $100 returned to them

But please... tell me again how I'm "wrong" When it's a difference of opinion.

I have lots of old computer parts I want an refund on

Merforum

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

You bought something for $400. A year later it's $300. Most are asking for the $100 returned to them

But please... tell me again how I'm "wrong" When it's a difference of opinion.

That's an absolute backwards analogy. A proper analogy would be as an IT contractor agreed to work for ZOS and they agreed to pay me $5000 for small project and I worked my butt off did a great job and now they are saying guess what I'll give you $3000 but thanks for your hard work.

tmbrinks

Merforum wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

You bought something for $400. A year later it's $300. Most are asking for the $100 returned to them

But please... tell me again how I'm "wrong" When it's a difference of opinion.

That's an absolute backwards analogy. A proper analogy would be as an IT contractor agreed to work for ZOS and they agreed to pay me $5000 for small project and I worked my butt off did a great job and now they are saying guess what I'll give you $3000 but thanks for your hard work.

Oh boy, another person to tell me my analogies are wrong!!! This must be my lucky day!

XP is a currency... not the final product.

You spend your XP to buy CP. The cost of the "new" CP has gone down.

You're still getting paid the same, the amount of XP you can earn in the game has not changed.

spacewolfplays

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

You bought something for $400. A year later it's $300. Most are asking for the $100 returned to them

But please... tell me again how I'm "wrong" When it's a difference of opinion.

First off, thank you for promptly adjusting the header, greatly appreciated. For anyone curious, this is the link to the spreadsheet we're referring to btw.

What i meant when i said you were wrong was just about the comparison of inflation to business lowering prices. The thing you just said about devaluation though, that hits home. I dont think I really have an argument for that. To me, it's not exactly the same, since we're not buying an object, we're working for something that acknowledges our work. But it is close.

Ranger209

My experience was never deleted it was converted into a CP. Every time I reached a certain threshold it was converted into another CP which I still have and will now be able to use.

Merforum

Merforum wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Wow, @tmbrinks, a currency changing, and a business lowering its prices are two totally different things. When currencies get inflated, as is happening here with XP, business actually have to RAISE their prices. Not the other way around.

So you might wanna reevaluate how you feel about all this if thats what you thought.

I have very clearly stated how I "feel" about all of this in the other dozen threads... and I'm sure I'm "losing" more XP than anybody else commenting on this.

Afterall, you're linking to my spreadsheet

This is AT LEAST the 12th time this has happened in the game's history.

The lowering of the curve is a catch-up mechanic. It's healthy and needed for new players.

yah. I totally hear you. Also glad to hear whose spreadsheet it is (would you mind dragging down the header barrier to under row two, so the headers can scroll? tyvm).

But I just wanted to clarify that your analogy was wrong, and if that's the way you were thinking you were misinformed.

I also understand it's happened before, and I feel like anytime this happens, people who "lose" XP should be compensated. Just cause it was done wrong before doesnt mean it cant be done right this time.

Adding "It's worth it" to the poll was a mistake on my part. Because I also agree that it's worth it. My frustrations are as stated above.

You bought something for $400. A year later it's $300. Most are asking for the $100 returned to them

But please... tell me again how I'm "wrong" When it's a difference of opinion.

That's an absolute backwards analogy. A proper analogy would be as an IT contractor agreed to work for ZOS and they agreed to pay me $5000 for small project and I worked my butt off did a great job and now they are saying guess what I'll give you $3000 but thanks for your hard work.

I actually totally agree with lowering the necessary XP to get CP faster at lower level but for people who have been slogging along for years to earn a huge amount of XP should get benefit of doubt too. ZOS had a choice to give us our CP equivalent or our XP equivalent in new system and chose lower one. The fairest would be to split the difference and give halfway between the 2.

spacewolfplays

tmbrinks wrote: »

You spend your XP to buy CP. The cost of the "new" CP has gone down.

You're still getting paid the same, the amount of XP you can earn in the game has not changed.

I like this. It helps me feel a little better about it.

I'm still frustrated, but this is probably the best, and somehow the most comforting analogy yet.

But then I think about how this isnt an organic economy, it's a manufactured system. Which choices and changes being made. So though I had a brief 2 minutes of calm, I still stand by the request for acknowledgement at the LEAST, and compensation at best.

kargen27

You are losing nothing. There is a mechanic in place that will allow new players to catch up quicker. And if you've had fun playing the game the CP doesn't matter anyway just keep on having fun.

Kiralyn2000

spacewolfplays wrote: »

I just want them to acknowledge the loss of XP, and ideally have SOME compensation for it.

No, just no.

Stuff changes all the time in MMOs. You don't get "compensation" for the fact that things you did a year ago, are different now. That's nuts to expect.


(you do know that this game is going to go away someday, right? And all that 'real money, time investement, etc' is just going to go POOF and disappear? With no 'compensation'?)