I just dont understand why some people defend zos on this so valiantly.
What is it in for you to be so vocal about a move that devalues all effort people put into getting XP in ESO so far?
If you think all is fine, ok, just move along.
So, you don't think it's fair for the people who think it's okay to say anything?
Only dissenting voices should be heard?
It's your OPINION that this devalues YOUR effort. Others don't feel that way. I certainly don't. That doesn't mean you get to determine who should be able to speak up on a topic.
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You earned X amount of XP.
That gave you Y amount of CPs.
Tomorrow when new patch goes live you will still have same amount of CPs.
Will amount of XP you gained remain the same or will it be cut 40-45%?
I mean if you are OK with that thats fine.
But dont pretend that zos didnt just take away your XP
You earned X amount of XP.
That gave you Y amount of CPs.
Tomorrow when new patch goes live you will still have same amount of CPs.
Will amount of XP you gained remain the same or will it be cut 40-45%?
I just dont understand why some people defend zos on this so valiantly.
What is it in for you to be so vocal about a move that devalues all effort people put into getting XP in ESO so far?
If you think all is fine, ok, just move along.
So, you don't think it's fair for the people who think it's okay to say anything?
Only dissenting voices should be heard?
It's your OPINION that this devalues YOUR effort. Others don't feel that way. I certainly don't. That doesn't mean you get to determine who should be able to speak up on a topic.
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You earned X amount of XP.
That gave you Y amount of CPs.
Tomorrow when new patch goes live you will still have same amount of CPs.
Will amount of XP you gained remain the same or will it be cut 40-45%?
I mean if you are OK with that thats fine.
But dont pretend that zos didnt just take away your XP
LanteanPegasus wrote: »I'm totally baffled again and again about how many people seem to play the game only to get to some "Maximum", or to advance their character for the sake of advancement.
I'm almost at CP 1200 now. I've played the game because I had fun with it. And while I did that I racket up XP/CP. Yes, getting XP when it still meant something (so until CP 810) was part of the fun, but it was only one of many things, and once it became just a theoretical numer I completely forgot about it. Because I play the game to... play the game. XP, especially after CP some-hundred, are just some tiny side effect.
So I can't feel cheated, or robbed, or mistreated, or whatever goes around in all these threads whenever some arbitrary maximum is pushed further up, taking me farther away from it.
I would've played the game as much as I played it anyway. I had my fun while doing it. I can keep playing it as I like to do. (It's not as if the characters are reset to 0 CP or something.)The only thing I "loose" is the fact that my character can no longer do anything with the XP that keep coming in. So for the first time in years I touched those stacks of XP-scrolls again that were lying around by the hundreds, useless and gathering dust.
Iam annoyed. Its ~60% for me. Im not so much annoyed by the loss of XP, but more by the loss of sources. Alot of my XP came from Questing and Achievments, which are both one time sources. I enjoyed doing them, but i cant do them again. This greatly limits my choices on what to do to progress through the new CP system.
That is a good point. For those of us that are solo PvE oriented and completed all the zones, there isn't that much to do to gain experience - a new chapter once a year, a mini-zone DLC, and events. I tend to burn through the accumulated inspiration once it's gets close to the limit by turning in crafting writs on masse after popping an experience scroll, because my day to day play is pretty much just crafting dailies, and that doesn't use up the inspiration.
Now that earning championship points will become meaningful again, and I might need to get another few hundred to unlock eg. Treasure Hunter again, I'd just have to grind...
Different players like and enjoy different parts of the game.
For example you have PvP players or Vet Trial/Dungeon players that like to do this content, but what they do naturally doesnt yield much XP. Currently they are at the performance cap, but after the update they have to resort to outside XP sources.
Another example would be players like me. I like to do Quests and Achievments. Both are one time sources, so all the stuff i already did i cant do again, but i also dont profit from the XP i got. In order to progress further i now have to use other XP sources. Which is not that nice, given that i made enought XP with my playstyle to get way over the new soft cap.
Essentially i have 2 options left. I either make alot of use of daily sources like daily dungeon, or i mindlessly grind. There is nothing else left for me to progress.
It would be cool if we received a collectible item to commemorate our CP Level before the shift from CP 1.0 to 2.0. Maybe a collectible furnishing plaque with our old CP Level on it.... or an outfit/mount at intervals such as CP100, 300, 600, 810, 1000, 1200, 1500.
We already have something similar with the outfits of Dark Seducer, Golden Saint, Mannimarco, etc. Basically expand on it for high level players to show off their work before the Exp shift.
I just dont understand why some people defend zos on this so valiantly.
What is it in for you to be so vocal about a move that devalues all effort people put into getting XP in ESO so far?
If you think all is fine, ok, just move along.
You traded a currency (XP) for CP.
The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.
You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.
Actually, my co worker have bought a soda bottles and they went on sale the day after with big discount. He asked to get refund and he recieved the difference. Living in Germany btw.
I just dont understand why some people defend zos on this so valiantly.
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Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
PizzaCat82 wrote: »People either don't realize that if the game had the same level progression that everyone had to take from the beginning this game would be so unfriendly to new players, or if they were "refunded all XP" they earned for a larger CP amount then there'd be nothing to work toward once the new changes did come through.
That I find very hard to believe, I have never once in my life seen any store that would refund you for purchasing an item before said item went on a sale or price discount. Please feel free to give actual real world examples of the stores that do this. Especially when considering that people are talking about years worth not something that you got to the checkout with as they changed the price. Either way I am fine with the way it is going now.
spartaxoxo wrote: »
That I find very hard to believe, I have never once in my life seen any store that would refund you for purchasing an item before said item went on a sale or price discount. Please feel free to give actual real world examples of the stores that do this. Especially when considering that people are talking about years worth not something that you got to the checkout with as they changed the price. Either way I am fine with the way it is going now.
I have gotten refunded if the sale was within 24 hours before. Never more than that though.
furiouslog wrote: »I’ve seen pretty much all of the various positions on this issue, and it comes down to two different perspectives:
1. A CP Is a CP regardless of effort spent to achieve it.
2. A CP represents a certain amount of ability progression that is earned though a certain amount of effort.
Those are basically a matter of opinion, so someone who thinks either won’t be convinced of the alternative viewpoint.
There are additional perspectives on the relative value of CP before and after the patch about where there is not universal consensus that further complicate the perspectives on what A CP represents and what constitutes a fair implementation of the new system.
None of you are going to get anyone else to fundamentally agree with you on any of this that doesn’t already agree with you. All you can do is make your views known in the appropriate consumer feedback venues and if you get no remedy for your issues, make the choice that is best for you going forward.
As I recall, this was the approach taken when VR was converted to CP in the first place. Why this isn't being done now is... well, it's weird.