How are you feeling about 50% of your XP earned being unceremoniously deleted for Update 29's CP 2.0

Bradyfjord

In my opinion, this is more an issue of how the solution is presented. The issue is getting low CP/new players to level their CP faster. They chose to lower the amount of exp needed per CP at lower levels. What they could have done was increase exp gains instead to achieve the same thing, like a x2 exp gain until higher CP's. Either way, it would achieve the same goal. This is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Rasoma

It's pointless complaining over and over again on exp changes - what's past is prologue.

You are not losing anything - you still did the same things its just that other people (new to the game mostly) have a better chance to play catch up now.

Scottfree2

Plse close this nonsense thread, after update u have the exact same cp as before, you are due no compensation whatsoever ffs.

MJallday

Let me make this simple for eveyone.
This patch you are cp 1000
Next patch you will be cp1000
This patch it will take you 1 day to get you to cp 1001
Next patch it will take you 0.9 days to get to
Cp 1001
If in the past it took you 1000 days to get to cp 1000. Now it might take you 900

That’s life , things move on . A great analogy is cars :

Imagine buying a car 5 years ago that will do 0-60 in 7 seconds and today buying the same model that will now do it in 6.5
You haven’t lost all that fun in the last 5 years have you? Things get updated

LadyDestiny

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Indifferent to most of the changes coming with Update 29, and excited about the new CP system, but I'm upset that my 40-60% of my XP is getting deleted. Time, effort, real money, and emotion, spent on building up my characters, gone, with zero compensation from ZOS.

Don't get me wrong, I GET IT. I understand why they're keeping whatever our CP in 1.0 is, and carry it over to 2.0. And I understand why they're changing the scale. I'm excited for it.

It just really upsets me that ZOS has done nothing, offered nothing, said nothing, about the loss of XP we HAVE earned. And I feel like I'm being cheated. I KNOW they can do better.

I expect them to do better.

Annoyed. I've accepted it and after playing since beta, I am moving on to other games. It's been a nice run while it lasted.

Chrysa1is

I think that the XP we lose should be re-applied to our characters putting us at the level we should now be given that you now need less to level up

spacewolfplays

Can people stop with the freaking analogies!?!?! Seriously. Enough already. They're all crap analogies anyway. All of them. And it doesnt matter cause this isnt a currency, this isnt a soda, this isnt wages.

We all understand how it works, why it's working, etc. That's not what this thread is about.

The fact of the matter is, that like @pink_pixie said, it was VERY poorly presented to us. And for veteran players, people who have put lots of money and time towards the game, are being slighted. It's a fact, whether or not you feel that way personally.

They should have done something about that.

Look at the poll, look at the comments here. Several people are ending their subscriptions, people are leaving the game. And these are just the people who care enough to still come to the forum. I'm sure ZOS has calculated those losses into their choices. But I wonder if they had done even just a LITTLE BIT of acknowledgement of how this is hard for long-term players to swallow, and maybe even some compensation, that the costs to them would be way less.

LanteanPegasus

I'm totally baffled again and again about how many people seem to play the game only to get to some "Maximum", or to advance their character for the sake of advancement.

I'm almost at CP 1200 now. I've played the game because I had fun with it. And while I did that I racket up XP/CP. Yes, getting XP when it still meant something (so until CP 810) was part of the fun, but it was only one of many things, and once it became just a theoretical numer I completely forgot about it. Because I play the game to... play the game. XP, especially after CP some-hundred, are just some tiny side effect.

So I can't feel cheated, or robbed, or mistreated, or whatever goes around in all these threads whenever some arbitrary maximum is pushed further up, taking me farther away from it.
I would've played the game as much as I played it anyway. I had my fun while doing it. I can keep playing it as I like to do. (It's not as if the characters are reset to 0 CP or something.)The only thing I "loose" is the fact that my character can no longer do anything with the XP that keep coming in. So for the first time in years I touched those stacks of XP-scrolls again that were lying around by the hundreds, useless and gathering dust.

Chrysa1is

kargen27 wrote: »

You are losing nothing. There is a mechanic in place that will allow new players to catch up quicker. And if you've had fun playing the game the CP doesn't matter anyway just keep on having fun.

They already help new players way too much

rk1101320

players that support that game are the same players that get punished this make me wanna sell my account

Massacre_Wurm

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Can people stop with the freaking analogies!?!?! Seriously. Enough already. They're all crap analogies anyway. All of them. And it doesnt matter cause this isnt a currency, this isnt a soda, this isnt wages.

We all understand how it works, why it's working, etc. That's not what this thread is about.

The fact of the matter is, that like @pink_pixie said, it was VERY poorly presented to us. And for veteran players, people who have put lots of money and time towards the game, are being slighted. It's a fact, whether or not you feel that way personally.

They should have done something about that.

Look at the poll, look at the comments here. Several people are ending their subscriptions, people are leaving the game. And these are just the people who care enough to still come to the forum. I'm sure ZOS has calculated those losses into their choices. But I wonder if they had done even just a LITTLE BIT of acknowledgement of how this is hard for long-term players to swallow, and maybe even some compensation, that the costs to them would be way less.

So maybe you should stop talking about imaginary " stealing" and "deleting" of xp ?
Also no one cares about "some people ending thier subscriptions". It happens all the time. Just look at any other major update or balance changes.

Lumenn

Well, I'd gladly take the adjustment if they were offering but I'm not super upset. We did have some advantages with classes/skills/gear being loaded out the whazoo back when we started(yes, dps is higher now, but we had shields that lasted forever, dragonknight/Templars that were awesome(once upon a time) saptanks and nightblades that I'd love to go back to) in many ways things are easier now, in others it's not full of overload stuff we had. things have changed a LOT in this game. This is just one more and I've no doubt we'll be seeing max level cp players soon enough.

ThePedge

Can someone show me their total earned XP in game?

Xebov

Iam annoyed. Its ~60% for me. Im not so much annoyed by the loss of XP, but more by the loss of sources. Alot of my XP came from Questing and Achievments, which are both one time sources. I enjoyed doing them, but i cant do them again. This greatly limits my choices on what to do to progress through the new CP system.

Czeri

Xebov wrote: »

Iam annoyed. Its ~60% for me. Im not so much annoyed by the loss of XP, but more by the loss of sources. Alot of my XP came from Questing and Achievments, which are both one time sources. I enjoyed doing them, but i cant do them again. This greatly limits my choices on what to do to progress through the new CP system.

That is a good point. For those of us that are solo PvE oriented and completed all the zones, there isn't that much to do to gain experience - a new chapter once a year, a mini-zone DLC, and events. I tend to burn through the accumulated inspiration once it's gets close to the limit by turning in crafting writs on masse after popping an experience scroll, because my day to day play is pretty much just crafting dailies, and that doesn't use up the inspiration.

Now that earning championship points will become meaningful again, and I might need to get another few hundred to unlock eg. Treasure Hunter again, I'd just have to grind...

Hallothiel

LanteanPegasus wrote: »

I'm totally baffled again and again about how many people seem to play the game only to get to some "Maximum", or to advance their character for the sake of advancement.

I'm almost at CP 1200 now. I've played the game because I had fun with it. And while I did that I racket up XP/CP. Yes, getting XP when it still meant something (so until CP 810) was part of the fun, but it was only one of many things, and once it became just a theoretical numer I completely forgot about it. Because I play the game to... play the game. XP, especially after CP some-hundred, are just some tiny side effect.

So I can't feel cheated, or robbed, or mistreated, or whatever goes around in all these threads whenever some arbitrary maximum is pushed further up, taking me farther away from it.
I would've played the game as much as I played it anyway. I had my fun while doing it. I can keep playing it as I like to do. (It's not as if the characters are reset to 0 CP or something.)The only thing I "loose" is the fact that my character can no longer do anything with the XP that keep coming in. So for the first time in years I touched those stacks of XP-scrolls again that were lying around by the hundreds, useless and gathering dust.

Totally agree.

Have played since Vet levels so have apparently lost/had ‘stolen’ oodles of xp.

Other points raised in the thread, such as they could have stopped all xp/cp collection at cap. And then raised the cap. Would you still be complaining? It would mean everyone on a level playing field.....would suggest nit complaining too loudly as it might be the solution they decide on! (See proc sets in pvp 🤬)

But this is a game. Do people play to acquire cp points, or are they something you get along the way whilst you are enjoying the game? Maybe if all you care about is cp points, that is the problem?

And yes, I am more concerned about actual loss of passives I now have ‘active’ all the time but will now have to slot to activate. 😠

renne

Chrysa1is wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

You are losing nothing. There is a mechanic in place that will allow new players to catch up quicker. And if you've had fun playing the game the CP doesn't matter anyway just keep on having fun.

They already help new players way too much

This is just such a weird "when I was a kid I had to walk up hill both ways in the snow!!!!!!" attitude to have, to be honest. What does it matter if they help new players more than when you were a new player?

Silaf

Zos is way too focused on new players. Losing all that is a terrible hit to me. Think how much time was deleted.
And i don't see the reason why. All cp past 1600 are commodity and the difference between a 1600 player and a 3600 is minimal.

Alurria

Silaf wrote: »

Zos is way too focused on new players. Losing all that is a terrible hit to me. Think how much time was deleted.
And i don't see the reason why. All cp past 1600 are commodity and the difference between a 1600 player and a 3600 is minimal.

This makes absolutely no sense to me. How can a business be too focused on new customers?! Growing a bussiness means new customers. This is not the end of the world no one is stealing anything from anyone. This thread is so pointless.

redlink1979

Option in poll: Other.
I don't care. I'm not losing anything.

The_Lex

LanteanPegasus wrote: »

I'm totally baffled again and again about how many people seem to play the game only to get to some "Maximum", or to advance their character for the sake of advancement.

I'm almost at CP 1200 now. I've played the game because I had fun with it. And while I did that I racket up XP/CP. Yes, getting XP when it still meant something (so until CP 810) was part of the fun, but it was only one of many things, and once it became just a theoretical numer I completely forgot about it. Because I play the game to... play the game. XP, especially after CP some-hundred, are just some tiny side effect.

So I can't feel cheated, or robbed, or mistreated, or whatever goes around in all these threads whenever some arbitrary maximum is pushed further up, taking me farther away from it.
I would've played the game as much as I played it anyway. I had my fun while doing it. I can keep playing it as I like to do. (It's not as if the characters are reset to 0 CP or something.)The only thing I "loose" is the fact that my character can no longer do anything with the XP that keep coming in. So for the first time in years I touched those stacks of XP-scrolls again that were lying around by the hundreds, useless and gathering dust.

So you assume that having a min/max character isn’t fun for a player? Are you new to MMOs? Is fun defined by you and your experience?

Disturbed_One

Whole lot of entitlement happening here

Elsonso

Merforum wrote: »

I actually totally agree with lowering the necessary XP to get CP faster at lower level but for people who have been slogging along for years to earn a huge amount of XP should get benefit of doubt too. ZOS had a choice to give us our CP equivalent or our XP equivalent in new system and chose lower one. The fairest would be to split the difference and give halfway between the 2.

What ZOS is doing is the same thing they have done in the past, and I think it is fine. You get new CP at the new rate and you get to keep the CP you have already earned. This impacts everyone the same way and there are no odd edge cases. There is no need for them to change to a policy going forward where they add to, or remove from, the CP that you already have so that your CP matches your total XP.

The_Lex

Elsonso wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

I actually totally agree with lowering the necessary XP to get CP faster at lower level but for people who have been slogging along for years to earn a huge amount of XP should get benefit of doubt too. ZOS had a choice to give us our CP equivalent or our XP equivalent in new system and chose lower one. The fairest would be to split the difference and give halfway between the 2.

What ZOS is doing is the same thing they have done in the past, and I think it is fine. You get new CP at the new rate and you get to keep the CP you have already earned. This impacts everyone the same way and there are no odd edge cases. There is no need for them to change to a policy going forward where they add, or remove, CP that you already have so that your CP matches your total XP.

That’s true, but there is more. When the vet ranks converted to CPs, players with max VR were given bonus CP as compensation.

It’s a little disheartening, for me, when I stack it all together:

No bonus CP despite precedent
No race change tokens despite precedent
No use for the new dungeons for a PvP player

Update 29: The Flames of Disappointment

TwinLamps

I just dont understand why some people defend zos on this so valiantly.
What is it in for you to be so vocal about a move that devalues all effort people put into getting XP in ESO so far?
If you think all is fine, ok, just move along.

tmbrinks

TwinLamps wrote: »

I just dont understand why some people defend zos on this so valiantly.
What is it in for you to be so vocal about a move that devalues all effort people put into getting XP in ESO so far?
If you think all is fine, ok, just move along.

So, you don't think it's fair for the people who think it's okay to say anything?

Only dissenting voices should be heard?

It's your OPINION that this devalues YOUR effort. Others don't feel that way. I certainly don't. That doesn't mean you get to determine who should be able to speak up on a topic.

Ackwalan

It's no different then any other game with a level cap. When you hit the cap, any xp you gain is just lost, when an expansion comes out with a level cap increase, you don't get that xp back.

Elsonso

The_Lex wrote: »

That’s true, but there is more. When the vet ranks converted to CPs, players with max VR were given bonus CP as compensation.

The Veteran System was a limited system where people were already well above the max XP supported by the system and were not getting anything at all for it. I also recall that there was a change of plans in the Champion System design that was far more upsetting than what I see today.

The Champion System rewards the player with CP each time they reach the XP milestone for the next CP, so there is no excess XP sitting around. There is excess CP sitting around, which the player gets to keep and use in the updated system. Nothing is actually lost (CP or XP) when they change the catch-up mechanism. Everyone simply gets charged the new prices going forward.

Oliviander

Dear OP
you are completely wrong
your XP were deleted each time you earned a champion point.
And I guess the XP you still have won't be deleted in the transaction.

I would be furious if they would delete the CPs above 810
because then they shouldn't have let us earn them in the first place.
So I'm glad this will not happen.

But now let us all rejoice as the CPs will be significantly cheaper in the future
AND they will have a meaning !

TwinLamps

tmbrinks wrote: »

TwinLamps wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

TwinLamps wrote: »

I just dont understand why some people defend zos on this so valiantly.
What is it in for you to be so vocal about a move that devalues all effort people put into getting XP in ESO so far?
If you think all is fine, ok, just move along.

So, you don't think it's fair for the people who think it's okay to say anything?

Only dissenting voices should be heard?

It's your OPINION that this devalues YOUR effort. Others don't feel that way. I certainly don't. That doesn't mean you get to determine who should be able to speak up on a topic.

you made like 25 posts here.
We get it, you like to work for a dollar and get paid 50 cents.

And that is my right to do so.

And that analogy is completely flawed and so far from what's happening here.

[snip]
You earned X amount of XP.
That gave you Y amount of CPs.
Tomorrow when new patch goes live you will still have same amount of CPs.
Will amount of XP you gained remain the same or will it be cut 40-45%?

I mean if you are OK with that thats fine.
But dont pretend that zos didnt just take away your XP

[Edited to remove Baiting]