How are you feeling about 50% of your XP earned being unceremoniously deleted for Update 29's CP 2.0

ArchMikem

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I dont get it. I'm cp 1250. How is my xp getting deleted on cp.2?

It is and it isn't.

Basically the xp to gain cp is being significantly reduced until very high cp. So under the new system the xp you've earned to get to 1250 would have gotten you much higher, but your cp isn't being adjusted when the changes go live.

That doesn't bother me at all. I haven't been playing for experience points, they just come as I experience the game world.

Starlock

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

spacewolfplays wrote: »

They're changing the scale of how much XP it takes to level.

What previously took 112,139,960 XP to reach CP 600, will now only require 61,680,386, a change of 45%. To me, personally, that XP represents time I spent on the game. So to me, having the thing that basically defines a big chunk of my character, their level, stay the same, without acknowledging this change, makes me really angry.

I never realized it was that significant. Wow. That's ridiculous.

Yup. It's pretty gross. Double gross because you can pay actual money for XP boosters in this game. Which kind of makes this... well... yeah.

Erelah

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Many stores do offer after X time if things go on sale the will refund you the difference.

Flamebait

Erelah wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Many stores do offer after X time if things go on sale the will refund you the difference.

That I find very hard to believe, I have never once in my life seen any store that would refund you for purchasing an item before said item went on a sale or price discount. Please feel free to give actual real world examples of the stores that do this. Especially when considering that people are talking about years worth not something that you got to the checkout with as they changed the price. Either way I am fine with the way it is going now.

Tornaad

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I dont get it. I'm cp 1250. How is my xp getting deleted on cp.2?

It is and it isn't.

Basically the xp to gain cp is being significantly reduced until very high cp. So under the new system the xp you've earned to get to 1250 would have gotten you much higher, but your cp isn't being adjusted when the changes go live.

So essentially people are getting upset because they are being kept at their same level and not increased when the system changes?

kargen27

Flamebait wrote: »

Erelah wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Many stores do offer after X time if things go on sale the will refund you the difference.

That I find very hard to believe, I have never once in my life seen any store that would refund you for purchasing an item before said item went on a sale or price discount. Please feel free to give actual real world examples of the stores that do this. Especially when considering that people are talking about years worth not something that you got to the checkout with as they changed the price. Either way I am fine with the way it is going now.

I know CompUSA and a few other similar type stores had either a ten day or thirty day guarantee if you found a cheaper price in the same area you could bring in the advertisement and the receipt and they would make up the difference. It had to be an advertised price though. Stores that sell appliances also sometimes do this.

ThePedge

You are CP 1337 today, you are CP 1337 tomorrow.

Erelah

Flamebait wrote: »

Erelah wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Many stores do offer after X time if things go on sale the will refund you the difference.

That I find very hard to believe, I have never once in my life seen any store that would refund you for purchasing an item before said item went on a sale or price discount. Please feel free to give actual real world examples of the stores that do this. Especially when considering that people are talking about years worth not something that you got to the checkout with as they changed the price. Either way I am fine with the way it is going now.

Quick search for you then! All these companies have a low price guarntee which extends to after you purchase the product if it goes on sale or the price drops you can exchange it and get the difference back into your pocket. These policies have lasted for years. That way someone can purchase something and not have to worry about it going on sale from time frames between two weeks and two months.

Microsoft Surface low price guarantee:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/surface-promise

Target Low Price Guarantee
https://help.target.com/help/subcategoryarticle?childcat=Price+Match+Guarantee&parentcat=Policies+&+Guidelines&searchQuery=search+help

Best Buy Low Price Guarantee
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/help-topics/best-buy-price-match-guarantee/pcmcat297300050000.c?id=pcmcat297300050000

Flamebait

kargen27 wrote: »

I know CompUSA and a few other similar type stores had either a ten day or thirty day guarantee if you found a cheaper price in the same area you could bring in the advertisement and the receipt and they would make up the difference. It had to be an advertised price though. Stores that sell appliances also sometimes do this.

That isn't close to the same thing. I understand what you mean now, but that is to match a competitors price, and that's a marketing thing several stores use indeed. However you will be far more hard pressed to find a store that retroactively refunds against their own pricing. The example I use for this argument is simply that I go get a $4 coffee every morning on my way to work, after a couple years the store announces they are selling the coffee for $3 to try getting more sales. I would have no right to go in and demand that I get back $1 for every coffee I drank when the price was higher.

I's the exact same thing here, you got enough XP to buy one CP then the XP resets and you start over working towards the next CP. After years now all of a sudden they announce that the XP to buy a CP is reduced and people think they should be given a retroactive increase to CP since they had to earn a different amount of XP to buy theirs. This is honestly getting simply silly. If they were to remove CP from then I would agree it is completely unfair, however that is not what is happening, they are simply changing the amount of XP needed to buy them in the future.

tmbrinks

Erelah wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Many stores do offer after X time if things go on sale the will refund you the difference.

Yeah, maybe for 30 days after the sale. Not 4 years into system.

Mettaricana

Eh least i got something to work towards now with no more cap theres no more need to worry about exp loss everything will just be a net gain so I'll take a lil loss of being way over 810. Those who have sat at 810 for years finally got a reason to do more than log in.

Alurria

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Indifferent to most of the changes coming with Update 29, and excited about the new CP system, but I'm upset that my 40-60% of my XP is getting deleted. Time, effort, real money, and emotion, spent on building up my characters, gone, with zero compensation from ZOS.

Don't get me wrong, I GET IT. I understand why they're keeping whatever our CP in 1.0 is, and carry it over to 2.0. And I understand why they're changing the scale. I'm excited for it.

It just really upsets me that ZOS has done nothing, offered nothing, said nothing, about the loss of XP we HAVE earned. And I feel like I'm being cheated. I KNOW they can do better.

I expect them to do better.

Okay, here's the deal if you work you get paid right? When you get a raise that you deserve do you think you should be getting retro active compensation? They have to attract new players and can't leave them struggling to catch up. Games evolve to attract more people. You are not being cheated you got your enjoyment from building your chacter to its current level.

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO

spacewolfplays wrote: »

Indifferent to most of the changes coming with Update 29, and excited about the new CP system, but I'm upset that my 40-60% of my XP is getting deleted. Time, effort, real money, and emotion, spent on building up my characters, gone, with zero compensation from ZOS.

Don't get me wrong, I GET IT. I understand why they're keeping whatever our CP in 1.0 is, and carry it over to 2.0. And I understand why they're changing the scale. I'm excited for it.

It just really upsets me that ZOS has done nothing, offered nothing, said nothing, about the loss of XP we HAVE earned. And I feel like I'm being cheated. I KNOW they can do better.

I expect them to do better.

Name the last time you paid for a game, and got hundreds, maybe even thousands of hours along with replay-ability (not sure thats a word) out of it? I've paid $40 to $60 for some titles and beat it in a weekend that had little to no replay value at all! Cmon man, cut these guys some slack and realize that you have a top 3 MMO that they are constant adding content and working (I think) to improve it to give us hundreds of more hours...geez.

rpa

I had just gotten to 810 and starting to learn to play this game. So I was bit upset. However now I can drop eso+ and go back to casual slacking for years in good conscience so it's fine.

Alaztor91

tbh after ZOS decided to not retroactively update old vMA and vDSA weapons when they introduced the Perfected versions this doesn't surprise me.

It just makes ZOS look bad since they actually sell XP boosters in the Crown Store.

Starlight_Whisper

L_Nici wrote: »

The thing is, it was never different. Every time the CP cap raised you kept your current CP. But there was never a raise of 2790 points, so it would have been nice to at least get some balance for that massive XP loss for older players. Its pretty much a slap in the face to veterans.

Only for everyone after cp 1800

Ace_SiN

If they deleted my CP I'd be pretty mad. Otherwise, I don't care if they choose to help new players catch up to me by lowering the xp rate. Losing progress is common for this genre. However, this solution isn't really taking anything from you. You have x CP now and you'll have that same CP after the patch. Receiving compensation for lowering the xp curve has NEVER happened in any MMO. I don't expect it to occur here.

tmbrinks

Alaztor91 wrote: »

tbh after ZOS decided to not retroactively update old vMA and vDSA weapons when they introduced the Perfected versions this doesn't surprise me.

It just makes ZOS look bad since they actually sell XP boosters in the Crown Store.

I wish I could give you the stacks of them I've gotten for free from daily rewards. Literally 200+ of them.

Pink_Pixie

I figured I'd try a more tactful approach and type about how they did it. And perhaps suggest how they should of done it. So there will be a couple of links in here, and it's more of way to get to the point I'm heading to. I don't take credit for the link, someone else linked it, I'm simply passing it on here.

First of all, the video clip here was last month sometime, I'm unsure on the date. However it was pretty much planned from the start to not convert experience to CP, which I'm not going to go over again, it's just a point to show it was planned. Notice the top left guy nodded, and the bottom left one nearly swallowed his tongue before answering yes. Unsure on the peoples names, I am sorry about that!

https://clips.twitch.tv/ClearLivelyTroutKappaRoss

And then we got the FAQ which simply states this:

1. Will the CP 2.0 cap raising to 3600 mean all our CP from 1.0 will scale up? Is the experience growth in CP2.0 different from CP1.0?
No, your CP will not scale up. However, we will be changing the experience growth scale so that players under CP 1800 will grow very quickly. Compared to CP1.0, a fresh new player would need 56% LESS experience to reach max CP cap in CP2.0 (3600). As a reminder, you don’t need to be max CP to do well!
CP 1800 is the new expected curve for diminishing experience, but Enlightenment is the same.
Around CP 2000, there are no more passives to unlock, but you will have access to Quality of Life changes.
An 810 on CP1.0 will feel just as strong walking into CP2.0.

Which in other words is just saying it's happening, deal with it, In not so many words. This is the wrong way to do I think and which caused a lot of disgruntled thoughts on the matter. Hence threads like this popping up which seem to have the same kind of posts that was in the test server section.

Now I tend to think a better way of doing it would have been....

Telling us or CP won't scale and offered something as a reward for loyalty, something as simple as 10x 150% experience scrolls to make it less of a "deal with situation". It may have removed the sting a bit, but it'd have been less factual and more responsive and empathic so to speak. They are offering us a pet, but that seems to be an after thought, rather than something planned.

In hindsight I do feel it would of been better to offer something to the veteran player base, and not simply a wipe of their time spent earning something called experience. Now I'm sure many will say they don't have to do that, it's their game and so on and so forth. But, the players are part of the game and the rich world. And I think many have given their point of view due to being passionate about it and because it's such a big change.

Of course all of the above is my own opinion and people may agree or not agree, but I'm sure if ZOS delivered us this news in a much more approachable manner it would of been so much easier to swallow.

And to close this off, I thought it'd be a good idea to put something else on here other than analogy's so @spacewolfplays can read something other than similair posts from previous threads.

Vaoh

It would be cool if we received a collectible item to commemorate our CP Level before the shift from CP 1.0 to 2.0. Maybe a collectible furnishing plaque with our old CP Level on it.... or an outfit/mount at intervals such as CP100, 300, 600, 810, 1000, 1200, 1500.

We already have something similar with the outfits of Dark Seducer, Golden Saint, Mannimarco, etc. Basically expand on it for high level players to show off their work before the Exp shift.

trackdemon5512

I’m gonna post what I posted in the PTS board a bit ago:
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What's to say ZOS can't go the other way?

Implement the CP 2.0 changes and leave it as it has always been?

Your CP now remains the same. When the patch drops the XP gain curve is slightly adjusted just as it was prior to every other patch pre-Murkmire. The cap is now unlocked to CP3600 and the amount of XP required to go from one point to the next is exactly the same as it is now?

This means instead of 600 or 700k per higher CP as is proposed by them you are now expected to get 1.4 million XP in order to level up each time?

Seriously ZOS did ya'll a favor. Im at CP 2000+ right now and a CP a day takes work. I feel good about it though. The way ya'll want this changed you'll move up to 1800 or so. I'll breeze right past ya to 3000+ and then the complaints will really start.

ZOS did right by me in squishing the XP required down and not touching CP.
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The lack of conversion is fair. You worked for CP, you still have that number. You get to use more CP for whatever the developers decide to implement in the future. No more getting corn holed into a single type of build for everyone. No dramatic differences between player CPs and a curtailing of those differences by allowing players to make up some of that massive gap.

You’ve lost nothing because really ZOS could have just kept things at 810 and you would get no benefit at all.

kargen27

Flamebait wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I know CompUSA and a few other similar type stores had either a ten day or thirty day guarantee if you found a cheaper price in the same area you could bring in the advertisement and the receipt and they would make up the difference. It had to be an advertised price though. Stores that sell appliances also sometimes do this.

That isn't close to the same thing. I understand what you mean now, but that is to match a competitors price, and that's a marketing thing several stores use indeed. However you will be far more hard pressed to find a store that retroactively refunds against their own pricing. The example I use for this argument is simply that I go get a $4 coffee every morning on my way to work, after a couple years the store announces they are selling the coffee for $3 to try getting more sales. I would have no right to go in and demand that I get back $1 for every coffee I drank when the price was higher.

I's the exact same thing here, you got enough XP to buy one CP then the XP resets and you start over working towards the next CP. After years now all of a sudden they announce that the XP to buy a CP is reduced and people think they should be given a retroactive increase to CP since they had to earn a different amount of XP to buy theirs. This is honestly getting simply silly. If they were to remove CP from then I would agree it is completely unfair, however that is not what is happening, they are simply changing the amount of XP needed to buy them in the future.

You are assuming they exempt their own sales. They do not. And I agree that the entire attitude of wanting CP to advance retroactive is a silly thing to expect.

what_the

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Seriously ZOS did ya'll a favor.

^^ This in a nutshell. ^^
Less exp. to level my CPs? Yes please.

amm7sb14_ESO

I don't get the dissatisfaction.

You reached level 810 under 1 system, and now that system has changed. No. You don't automatically get compensated by being given additional CP levels just because of the change. If anything, you should be happy. You get more to play for, have more to build for, more purpose for end game players that had reached the peak

Wolfshead

L_Nici wrote: »

The thing is, it was never different. Every time the CP cap raised you kept your current CP. But there was never a raise of 2790 points, so it would have been nice to at least get some balance for that massive XP loss for older players. Its pretty much a slap in the face to veterans.

It may be a slap in the face on us veterans but then again what is the point of so much point that we have.

We are not demigod are we I for one is glad that get nerf for honest I have come to a point in-game that nothing is fun the is not much of a challenge left in-game I more or less solo everything by myself at this point and PVP is boring and raid is also boring for me at this point so yeah I have big CP lvl but to no use, to be honest so I'm glad they are doing this.

Scardan

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Actually, my co worker have bought a soda bottles and they went on sale the day after with big discount. He asked to get refund and he recieved the difference. Living in Germany btw.

Idk how did you get to assumtion that we will not ask for a refund? XD

ZaroktheImmortal

It is annoying that essentially the experience we earned to level won't match the level we're at though I am glad they are going to make it easier to level especially since the new max is 3600 but at the same time it'd be nice if they could give a boost to people who've already levelled.

Also one thing I'm curious about if the new levels take less experience to grind what happens if your current experience towards the next level is more than the amount needed to level under the changes.

Massacre_Wurm

Scardan wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You traded a currency (XP) for CP.

The exchange rate changed. CP became cheaper.

You wouldn't demand a refund in real life, when a business lowers a price after you bought it.

Actually, my co worker have bought a soda bottles and they went on sale the day after with big discount. He asked to get refund and he recieved the difference. Living in Germany btw.

Idk how did you get to assumtion that we will not ask for a refund? XD

But i hope he wasnt whining about store "stealing" money from him ?

linuxlady

Zuboko wrote: »

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I dont get it. I'm cp 1250. How is my xp getting deleted on cp.2?

It is and it isn't.

Basically the xp to gain cp is being significantly reduced until very high cp. So under the new system the xp you've earned to get to 1250 would have gotten you much higher, but your cp isn't being adjusted when the changes go live.

So essentially people are getting upset because they are being kept at their same level and not increased when the system changes?

they are not being kept at the same level. can you read the thread please. you are awarded champion poinst on both systems based on your experience points earned. if the change the system so that your earned experience is now worth more champion points under the new system then your champion points should refelect that but instead zos is taking away earned experience points to keep you at the same champion point level. see how unfair that is? esp when experience points were harder to earn under the old system. ZOS cheats. plain and simple.

linuxlady

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't get the dissatisfaction.

You reached level 810 under 1 system, and now that system has changed. No. You don't automatically get compensated by being given additional CP levels just because of the change. If anything, you should be happy. You get more to play for, have more to build for, more purpose for end game players that had reached the peak

they are not being kept at the same level. can you read the thread please. you are awarded champion poinst on both systems based on your experience points earned. if the change the system so that your earned experience is now worth more champion points under the new system then your champion points should refelect that but instead zos is taking away earned experience points to keep you at the same champion point level. see how unfair that is? esp when experience points were harder to earn under the old system. ZOS cheats. plain and simple.