Please give us back Rapid Maneuver!

Nestor

Elsonso wrote: »

While many people might be using Rapid Maneuvers, I think that more people are not using it, particularly in PVE.

You must not spend any time doing PvE. Most everyone I see riding around in the world uses Rapids. Well, were using Rapids until ZOS took the skill away for no good reason. 5 minutes of thought could have come up with a better solution if they wanted to make Vigor, a Niche skill, easier to get.

esotoon

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

No it's not I have 18 character all are max level crafters for my dailies and you don't need rapids at all to do dailies also my alts are well alts I do use them to do content if you are not doing to work to maintain an alt why made it. Another way to look at it is you also had six to level PvP ranks and you didn't and now six years later PvP was changed in a way to help PvP players and you're upset cause a skill line was changed to better help players that the skill line was made for.

Except it doesn't better help PVPers. As has already been stated, on low level characters Vigor is not a good heal. Most PVPers who play on multiple characters also know full well that, unless you prefer to play permanently in the under 50 campaign, you don't even touch PVP on new characters until you hit level hit lvl 50, and have collected as many skill points as possible. The time saved in grinding those skill points by having rapids far outweighs the time you then have to spend, getting Vigor, which at that point is actually a heal worth having.

Elsonso

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

While many people might be using Rapid Maneuvers, I think that more people are not using it, particularly in PVE.

You must not spend any time doing PvE. Most everyone I see riding around in the world uses Rapids. Well, were using Rapids until ZOS took the skill away for no good reason. 5 minutes of thought could have come up with a better solution if they wanted to make Vigor, a Niche skill, easier to get.

Actually, I spend most of my time in PVE. Outside of a few, certainly not all, running from dragon to dragon, or dolmen to dolmen, I really don't see Rapid Maneuvers very often. Like I said, I think many people are using it. I think more people are not. I see more people. I don't see many people.

Wytch

An apology, a plea, and a goodbye, OH MY!

I would like to say sorry to any members of the community that may have been offended by some of the things I have posted in this thread. I have had some messages deleted from this thread and one of them was even deserved. I let my anger at the money-grabbing change and the trolls defending it run wild and started to get semi-personal when trying to shut down a misinformation troll. No matter how angry one gets, and no matter how trollish another is being, that not give anyone the right to get personal in their replies. I was wrong to do that. I let my hate of pvp and toll comments like "it only takes 30 minutes" sink me low and I was on the road to becoming as toxic as I usually accuse pvp of making people. How ironic.

My plea is that someone in the company takes this thread seriously and reverts this slap in the face change or at least implements some of the constructive ideas that have been presented in this thread, such as my deleted idea of making an open-world version or pve instance of Cyrodiil. You don't even need to credit me for it, though it would be nice if you credit "the community" for it since so many people had agreed with that post. Please, make this game something that I actually want to play again. Make it pull me back in!

Goodbye forums, and best of luck in dealing with being ignored or deleted. Goodby general community, I hope you can find a game that doesn't give you flashbacks of this one. Goodbye game, it was fun, sometimes, and my only regret is sinking so much money into you.

DISCLAIMER: This reply is genuine. It is based entirely on opinion and observation. It doesn't bash, it doesn't bait. It simply marks the end of my journey from an experience of 5 out of 5 stars to 0 out of 5 stars. I will again be saving a copy of this post as proof that it existed. 08-27-2020 19:33

Wytch

A parting explanation.

I showed my previous post to a friend and she said it sounded purposely restrained and she was wondering why I am angry enough to leave a game that I loved so much. It occurred to me that there are likely a lot of people that don't see exactly what has happened here. Let this post (for however long it's allowed to exist before being deleted for telling the truth) shed some light on the situation and serve as a warning of what is to come if this change is allowed to remain.

Contrary to popular belief, this isn't just about some pve-ers being annoyed at having to pvp to get something back that we had for years... that is only part of it.

Sometimes change is good, sometimes it's bad. Being anti-pvp like I am, I never bothered to check before now, not that it actually matters, but I do notice now, (since others I know have mentioned it in surprise) that the pvp skill lines are available to purchase. Together only, of course, so at double the price of other skill lines.

Let me make this clear... I AM ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT! I see no problems at all with allowing people to buy skills on alts if they have already earned them on a main. I would prefer if it were cheaper, like you can buy it for all your characters instead of 1 alt at a time, but whatever, business is business.

Again... I am FINE with the skill lines being buyable. What I take issue with is the fact that we had a skill available to us since beta, and then it suddenly gets switched to be much harder for most people to access, and especially brutal to people that have many alts or even multiple accounts.

So, there are now two (2) ways to get Rapids.
1: You can grind out to pvp lvl 5 on each toon that you want to have rapids... OR
2: You can grind out to pvp lvl 10 on ONE (1) toon and then BUY pvp skill lines on all your alts that you want to have rapids.

with a very rough average of 1 crown being = to 1 cent, and the pvp skill lines (assuming we've done enough pvp to get 1 toon up to lvl 10) costing 3000 crowns... that's 30 bux... FOR EACH ALT! FOR ONE SINGLE SKILL THAT WE ALREADY HAD BUT WAS TAKEN AWAY!

Let that sink in for a minute. I refuse to be accused of baiting or bashing again, so I will let each and everyone one of you come to your own conclusions about this change.

Also, that cost doesn't account at all for the time, anger, hatred, frustration, etc that those of us that hate pvp will have to pay in getting 1 toon up to lvl 10.

I really used to love this game, particularly when the motto of the game was "play your way" rather than "pay our way."

DISCLAIMER: This reply is genuine. It is based entirely on opinion and observation. It doesn't bash, it doesn't bait. It simply marks the end of my journey from an experience of 5 out of 5 stars to 0 out of 5 stars. I will again be saving a copy of this post as proof that it existed. 08-27-2020 22:21

ZaroktheImmortal

I have to wonder who at ZOS came up with this idea and who decided this is what's happening. If only we could have had a moment like this from someone there

Athan1

ESO Forums following the rapids change:


A parallel world in which ZOS instead placed Rapids in the first slot of Support:

JoeCapricorn

That actually is a great idea...

Vigor is the first slot of Assault, Rapids is the first slot of Support
Siege Shield is the second slot of Assault!

Siege Shield is already used by PVPers, so moving it to another slot isn't going to dramatically affect them. It leaves PvE players who don't want to PVP happy with their Rapids. It allows Vigor to be more accessible to new Stamina toons. EVERYONE IS HAPPY.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Seriously look into this idea!!!

esotoon

JoeCapricorn wrote: »

That actually is a great idea...

Vigor is the first slot of Assault, Rapids is the first slot of Support
Siege Shield is the second slot of Assault!

Siege Shield is already used by PVPers, so moving it to another slot isn't going to dramatically affect them. It leaves PvE players who don't want to PVP happy with their Rapids. It allows Vigor to be more accessible to new Stamina toons. EVERYONE IS HAPPY.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Seriously look into this idea!!!

It was suggested during the PTS. ZOS chose to go a different route.

Not only is siege shield a PVP only skill, it is also rarely used compared to Rapids and Vigor. And those that do use it tend to be more experienced PVP players (usually dedicated healers or support characters), so making it only accessible at rank 5 would have little to no impact on the player base. That’s why some of us are so incredulous that they chose to go with moving rapids, which impacts a large portion of players, when there was a much easier and less painful solution available.

Elsonso

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I have to wonder who at ZOS came up with this idea and who decided this is what's happening. If only we could have had a moment like this from someone there

Ultimately, this is the decision of the Creative Director, Rich Lambert. As for who came up with it, we will probably never know.

Jaraal

esotoon wrote: »

JoeCapricorn wrote: »

That actually is a great idea...

Vigor is the first slot of Assault, Rapids is the first slot of Support
Siege Shield is the second slot of Assault!

Siege Shield is already used by PVPers, so moving it to another slot isn't going to dramatically affect them. It leaves PvE players who don't want to PVP happy with their Rapids. It allows Vigor to be more accessible to new Stamina toons. EVERYONE IS HAPPY.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Seriously look into this idea!!!

It was suggested during the PTS. ZOS chose to go a different route.

Not only is siege shield a PVP only skill, it is also rarely used compared to Rapids and Vigor. And those that do use it tend to be more experienced PVP players (usually dedicated healers or support characters), so making it only accessible at rank 5 would have little to no impact on the player base. That’s why some of us are so incredulous that they chose to go with moving rapids, which impacts a large portion of players, when there was a much easier and less painful solution available.

Yes, the much easier and less painful solution lies in the Crown Store now.

Why so incredulous? Why do people keep saying ZOS made a mistake? Everything is going according to plan. Multi-billion dollar companies don't make mistakes when it comes to the bottom line.

Minyassa

Since they nerfed Rapids so dramatically a few patches ago I am honestly surprised to see so many people still use or want it, but it does make sense that they would be upset over this. People who needed Vigor that badly already went and ground for it. No one sat around going "oh no, I'd have to do more than just a tutorial, guess I'll just die instead." So it really DOES look like the motivation behind this was to sell crown store mount speed upgrades.

Nestor

Elsonso wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

While many people might be using Rapid Maneuvers, I think that more people are not using it, particularly in PVE.

You must not spend any time doing PvE. Most everyone I see riding around in the world uses Rapids. Well, were using Rapids until ZOS took the skill away for no good reason. 5 minutes of thought could have come up with a better solution if they wanted to make Vigor, a Niche skill, easier to get.

Actually, I spend most of my time in PVE. Outside of a few, certainly not all, running from dragon to dragon, or dolmen to dolmen, I really don't see Rapid Maneuvers very often. Like I said, I think many people are using it. I think more people are not. I see more people. I don't see many people.

If you have the setting to not see other players magic effects, then you don't see the Rapids being used. Believe me, everyone with a Horse that is less than 60 in Speed is using Rapids. If they are not, they don't know about Rapids or they were not yet L10.

Jaraal

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

While many people might be using Rapid Maneuvers, I think that more people are not using it, particularly in PVE.

You must not spend any time doing PvE. Most everyone I see riding around in the world uses Rapids. Well, were using Rapids until ZOS took the skill away for no good reason. 5 minutes of thought could have come up with a better solution if they wanted to make Vigor, a Niche skill, easier to get.

Actually, I spend most of my time in PVE. Outside of a few, certainly not all, running from dragon to dragon, or dolmen to dolmen, I really don't see Rapid Maneuvers very often. Like I said, I think many people are using it. I think more people are not. I see more people. I don't see many people.

If you have the setting to not see other players magic effects, then you don't see the Rapids being used. Believe me, everyone with a Horse that is less than 60 in Speed is using Rapids. If they are not, they don't know about Rapids or they were not yet L10.

All my characters have max mount speed with Windrunning activated. There is not a single time I mount up that I don't cast Rapids. Anyone who doesn't is wasting 30% more time getting from place to place. If people would rather spend that time on horseback than doing other things in game, more power to them.

Sarannah

The rapids change is actually good. I'm totally not a pvper, and getting it is easy. Since you guys value it so much, there is no reason to not do the very small effort it now takes.

Personally I would rather see them remove rapids completely, and replace it with a +20 mount speed skill which max's out at the regular 60 mount speed(so it never goes above 60, no matter how much horse training you have). This way those who haven't been horse training yet, can gain a speed bonus, while those who are at 60 mount speed no longer have to use a skill to be at max mount speed.

Noisivid

Sarannah wrote: »

The rapids change is actually good. I'm totally not a pvper, and getting it is easy. Since you guys value it so much, there is no reason to not do the very small effort it now takes.

Personally I would rather see them remove rapids completely, and replace it with a +20 mount speed skill which max's out at the regular 60 mount speed(so it never goes above 60, no matter how much horse training you have). This way those who haven't been horse training yet, can gain a speed bonus, while those who are at 60 mount speed no longer have to use a skill to be at max mount speed.

No, I don't think the rapids change was good. (good/bad in this case is purely subjective opinion, not in any way objective fact)
I definitely don't want to see it completely removed either, I personally find it extremely useful for a great variety of things, including actual PVP. If you don't find it useful that's cool, but we're all different people with different preferences in gameplay and what we find useful and good will differ. Apparently this change is not good for a lot of players besides just myself.

two things I would like to see

1. being able to train riding skills far more frequently. Only being able to train once every 20 hours is an artificial grind. This isn't going to happen as it would cut into the crown store sales of Riding Lessons, oh well.

2. making the Rapids grind shorter. just moving it to Rank 4 would be a huge improvement. It could happen, but I'm not holding my breath...

One thing that is almost definitely not going to happen is ZOS reverting the change.. Even if they did, then the Vigor people would be complaining just like the Rapids people are now.

finally, you say that getting Rapids is now a "very small effort" if that's so then why didn't the folks that needed Vigor just make that very small effort? I know I did on my Stam-blade.

Noisivid

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

While many people might be using Rapid Maneuvers, I think that more people are not using it, particularly in PVE.

You must not spend any time doing PvE. Most everyone I see riding around in the world uses Rapids. Well, were using Rapids until ZOS took the skill away for no good reason. 5 minutes of thought could have come up with a better solution if they wanted to make Vigor, a Niche skill, easier to get.

hey, I was just in game and I didn't see anyone using rapids except for some cp810 characters.... oh wait a minute, yeah

(it's a joke, it's a joke...)

Elsonso

Nestor wrote: »

Believe me, everyone with a Horse that is less than 60 in Speed is using Rapids.

No, Nestor, that is not true.

SilverBride

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

While many people might be using Rapid Maneuvers, I think that more people are not using it, particularly in PVE.

You must not spend any time doing PvE. Most everyone I see riding around in the world uses Rapids.

This isn't true at all. I'm out in the world PvEing most of the time, and I've never noticed anyone using it.

Look at it this way. The majority of players don't PvP on a regular basis. So the majority of players don't unlock the PvP skills. So the majority of players may not have even heard of Rapid Maneuvers. (I know I hadn't before all these threads started showing up.) So the majority of players don't use it.

The way everyone is carrying on over a skill that let's you go fast for 8 seconds (that was meant for PvP, and now requires PvP to obtain) is just asinine.

JoeCapricorn

Rapid Maneuver granted Major Gallop for 30 seconds (when it is leveled up the most) along with Major Expedition (along with Minor Expedition with Charging Maneuver) for 8 seconds.

It used to grant the Expedition buff for the full 30 seconds as well but that was changed a few updates ago. But the primary use for it is Major Gallop.

Anyone who is trying to get to a world boss, harrowstorm, dragon or abyssal geyser in PvE is going to be using rapids. To keep up with a group in Cyrodiil you need rapids (can't just rely on other teammates being close enough to affect you with their rapids).

The reason it is so controversial is because this is a change that is very hard to ignore. Every time I log on to any of my other characters besides my main, I have muscle memory of using Rapids even for a short time, and it ticks me off every time I cannot do it.

esotoon

SilverBride wrote: »

Look at it this way. The majority of players don't PvP on a regular basis. So the majority of players don't unlock the PvP skills. So the majority of players may not have even heard of Rapid Maneuvers. (I know I hadn't before all these threads started showing up.) So the majority of players don't use it.

No one knows what the majority of players do or do not know, and only ZOS knows what people do or do not use. However lets follow your logic as if it is fact: The majority of players do not know what Rapids is because it is a PVP skill. That also means that those same majority of players have no idea what Vigor is either. So this is not their fight, and there was no need for ZOS to change the order of the skills.

So as this only affects those people who do know what these things are, perhaps you can try to understand and have some empathy for those who are actually affected by this, in the same way you would like people to understand things that affect you that may not affect them, instead of calling them asinine?

The way everyone is carrying on over a skill that let's you go fast for 8 seconds (that was meant for PvP, and now requires PvP to obtain) is just asinine.

It lets you ride 30% faster for 30 seconds. If you do not value saving 30% of the time it takes to travel to and do multiple things in this game, that is fine, however others do.

johnebrown

Noisivid wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

The rapids change is actually good. I'm totally not a pvper, and getting it is easy. Since you guys value it so much, there is no reason to not do the very small effort it now takes.

Personally I would rather see them remove rapids completely, and replace it with a +20 mount speed skill which max's out at the regular 60 mount speed(so it never goes above 60, no matter how much horse training you have). This way those who haven't been horse training yet, can gain a speed bonus, while those who are at 60 mount speed no longer have to use a skill to be at max mount speed.

No, I don't think the rapids change was good. (good/bad in this case is purely subjective opinion, not in any way objective fact)
I definitely don't want to see it completely removed either, I personally find it extremely useful for a great variety of things, including actual PVP. If you don't find it useful that's cool, but we're all different people with different preferences in gameplay and what we find useful and good will differ. Apparently this change is not good for a lot of players besides just myself.

two things I would like to see

1. being able to train riding skills far more frequently. Only being able to train once every 20 hours is an artificial grind. This isn't going to happen as it would cut into the crown store sales of Riding Lessons, oh well.

2. making the Rapids grind shorter. just moving it to Rank 4 would be a huge improvement. It could happen, but I'm not holding my breath...

One thing that is almost definitely not going to happen is ZOS reverting the change.. Even if they did, then the Vigor people would be complaining just like the Rapids people are now.

finally, you say that getting Rapids is now a "very small effort" if that's so then why didn't the folks that needed Vigor just make that very small effort? I know I did on my Stam-blade.

I think we do need to do some grinding to get our horses up to max. If the horses started out full speed I would never appreciate having a fast horse as it's all pretty relative. Just wish it didn't take quite so long. So yeah, like twice a day would be cool.

johnebrown

Jaraal wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

While many people might be using Rapid Maneuvers, I think that more people are not using it, particularly in PVE.

You must not spend any time doing PvE. Most everyone I see riding around in the world uses Rapids. Well, were using Rapids until ZOS took the skill away for no good reason. 5 minutes of thought could have come up with a better solution if they wanted to make Vigor, a Niche skill, easier to get.

Actually, I spend most of my time in PVE. Outside of a few, certainly not all, running from dragon to dragon, or dolmen to dolmen, I really don't see Rapid Maneuvers very often. Like I said, I think many people are using it. I think more people are not. I see more people. I don't see many people.

If you have the setting to not see other players magic effects, then you don't see the Rapids being used. Believe me, everyone with a Horse that is less than 60 in Speed is using Rapids. If they are not, they don't know about Rapids or they were not yet L10.

All my characters have max mount speed with Windrunning activated. There is not a single time I mount up that I don't cast Rapids. Anyone who doesn't is wasting 30% more time getting from place to place. If people would rather spend that time on horseback than doing other things in game, more power to them.

Aye, Agree completely

Linaleah

Sarannah wrote: »

The rapids change is actually good. I'm totally not a pvper, and getting it is easy. Since you guys value it so much, there is no reason to not do the very small effort it now takes.

Personally I would rather see them remove rapids completely, and replace it with a +20 mount speed skill which max's out at the regular 60 mount speed(so it never goes above 60, no matter how much horse training you have). This way those who haven't been horse training yet, can gain a speed bonus, while those who are at 60 mount speed no longer have to use a skill to be at max mount speed.

that you keep saying it doesn't make it any less untrue.

it is NOT easy. and its NOT small effort. this is hours of doing something you very likely don't enjoy on a character that is more then likely not set up for it. times however many alts just lost that speed boost.

typing up this post is easy and small effort. grinding pvp? is NOT.

SilverBride

esotoon wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Look at it this way. The majority of players don't PvP on a regular basis. So the majority of players don't unlock the PvP skills. So the majority of players may not have even heard of Rapid Maneuvers. (I know I hadn't before all these threads started showing up.) So the majority of players don't use it.

No one knows what the majority of players do or do not know, and only ZOS knows what people do or do not use. However lets follow your logic as if it is fact: The majority of players do not know what Rapids is because it is a PVP skill. That also means that those same majority of players have no idea what Vigor is either. So this is not their fight.

I read somewhere that it's estimated to be about 2% of players who PvP on a regular basis. I will look for this and link to the information when I find it again.

But this shouldn't be anyone's fight. And most of the people complaining about the change are using it in PvE. The PvPers are minimally affected by this, if at all, because they are already far enough into the skill line to still have it.

esotoon wrote: »

So as this only affects those people who do know what these things are, perhaps you can try to understand and have some empathy for those who are actually affected by this, in the same way you would like people to understand things that affect you that may not affect them, instead of calling them asinine?

First of all, I don't have empathy for players who figured out they could get a PvP skill, without PvPing, and no intention of ever PvPing, and use it just so they can rush around faster out in the world. Which I think borders on exploitation.

Second, I didn't call anyone asinine. I called the reaction to this change asinine, which it is. It's a PvP skill, that now actually requires players to PvP to obtain it. That should not trigger this level of outrage.

esotoon wrote: »

It lets you ride 30% faster for 30 seconds. If you do not value saving 30% of the time it takes to travel to and do multiple things in this game, that is fine, however others do.

I, and many others, have managed to play without this skill, and move around quite fast enough by training our mounts to their fullest. Just because some players feel the need to rush around at full speed, missing a lot of things in the game while they are doing so, doesn't mean this change should be reverted to pander to their incentricities.

SpiritofESO

JoeCapricorn wrote: »

Please require "Assault" level 2 for Rapid Maneuver again.

Not all of my characters are PVP friendly but all of them use Rapid Maneuver for the extra mount speed when riding around the world. This is a very basic ability I require for a new character just to move around especially when mount speed is so low! PLEASE do not require assault level 5 for this, please undo this change!

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You do not "require" this skill for a new character just to move around mounted. You do what I did, what ALL new players do for the first 10 levels until you get your first mount -- you RUN.

I loathe doing dungeons but was forced to (and I did get the hang of it after a while) in order to get the LAST TWO PASSIVES in the Undaunted skill line which are waaaaaaaaaaay at the bottom of the list.

Now, if I can do that, you can do some PvP to get your precious Rapid Maneuver.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

People can yell back and forth all they want. This change was not about convenience for stamina, it was about getting the whales with multiple alts/accounts to pony up for riding lessons and skill lines. From one whale to another, don't give in. You can grind a ring of the hunt as fast as you can grind rapids for whatever that is worth (not that its a perfect replacement).

Also, anyone saying you can max assault/support in 30 minutes is a flat our liar.

Alegna

Tandor wrote: »

keoma01 wrote: »

Everybody without exception needs rapid and quite a lot of people needs vigor as well. For first glance it almost doesn't matter which one is the first skill.
But in reality you need to follow a group in Cyrodiil if you want to level your skill line and without rapid it is a very frustrating experience. You can't go to resources in time and so on.
Rapid is a fundamental skill for being able to get vigor, but vigor doesn't really help you to get rapid.
Please drop hubris and change this back.

It isn't true that "everybody without exception needs rapid". In my case, six years on with 40+ characters not one of them has ever used it.

However, and I say this as someone who has also never done PvP in ESO (as opposed to other games) - if you want a PvP skill, be prepared to do the PvP content to earn it.

Why is it even a PVP skill? The worst part of leveling a character is the slow poke way you have to level your mount. It is so painful to do the stories going that slow for 60 days.It is really embarrassing to be on a mount that is going so slow while others are flying by you, especially the people with Rapid. They can either give us the skill back now or increase the value of each point of the speed. Make the mounts faster already! Why do we even need a skill that increases the speed? Oh, that's right, cause the speed they give us as a default to ridiculously slow. So guess what people have to do to not cry everyday over their mount speed? By some speed buffs from Crown store. Hmmmm

esotoon

SilverBride wrote: »

I read somewhere that it's estimated to be about 2% of players who PvP on a regular basis. I will look for this and link to the information when I find it again.

According to ESOUI.com, Assist Rapid Riding has been downloaded 466,590 times. This is an addon that's one and only use is to do with using the Rapids skill. There are several other addons that will do a similar job, like Dressing Room, but have other purposes as well, so although these have been downloaded millions of times, they can't be used as an indicator of Rapid users. And there will be those players with Rapids who do not use any addons to assist with it. And of course, that is PC players only, it doesn't take into account Console users. So whilst it is no indicator of the total number of people using Rapids, it is probably the closest you will get to having a bare minimum possible number for the number of PC Players who use Rapids. (Anecdotal, but from what I have seen from various PVP Guilds over several years, roughly 1/3 of players use Assist Rapid Riding.)

First of all, I don't have empathy for players who figured out they could get a PvP skill, without PvPing, and no intention of every PvPing, and use it just so they can rush around faster out in the world. Which I think borders on exploitation.

How is it borderline exploitation? Who exactly said you need to PVP to get it? Who said it should only ever be used in Cyrodiil? From the start of the game you have been able to get it through doing the tutorial quest only in Cyrodiil, and if you didn't want to do that, you could get it through through the PVE Quests in Cyrodiil. ZOS have now changed this, but instead you can now get Vigor, another "PVP Skill" without PVPing. So clearly ZOS have no problem with players obtaining it this way, nor see it as exploitative in any way, or limited to use in Cyrodiil. So this notion that you HAVE to do PVP in order to get, and should only use PVP skills in Cyrodiil is nonsensical.

I, and many others, have managed to play without this skill, and move around quite fast enough by training our mounts to their fullest. Just because some players feel the need to rush around at full speed, missing a lot of things in the game while they are doing so, doesn't mean this change should be reverted to pander to their incentricities.

Nor should a reversion of the skill be stopped, due to your (and other players) self-admitted lack of knowledge of the existence of the skill, nor you not requiring to save 30% of your game time riding through the same places you have ridden through 100s of times before, when you could be completing quests, killing things, PVPing, housing and all those other things you are wasting your time and missing out on.

SilverBride

Alegna wrote: »

The worst part of leveling a character is the slow poke way you have to level your mount. It is so painful to do the stories going that slow for 60 days.

Then start a thread about how ridiculous it is that it takes 60 days to train speed on your mount (6 months to fully train all the attributes). This PvP skill has nothing to do with that issue.

Alegna wrote: »

It is really embarrassing to be on a mount that is going so slow while others are flying by you, especially the people with Rapid.

Do you really think anyone pays any attention to you when they are riding by? Especially the people who are using Rapid Maneuvers. They are going so fast they don't have time to notice you.