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Veteran players in normal dungeons.
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Anyone else think its about time that a CP cap or something similar is added to dungeon finder? I for one am tired of chasing after speed players/player who basically just rush off and complete a dungeon solo not thinking of their low level groupmates. Ignoring people who are on quests etc etc. So perhaps it is time to place a level cap, so high level players can only play veteran dungeons after a certain level or CP?
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Nirntrotter✭✭✭✭I play a lot of random normals on my alts to level skills and such, why should I not be able to do that? Inconsiderate players are everywhere and they are not made by the number of CPs they have.August Palatine Arodel the Explorer, Altmer Whipster | *2014, PC-EU
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✭Anyone else think its about time that a CP cap or something similar is added to dungeon finder? I for one am tired of chasing after speed players/player who basically just rush off and complete a dungeon solo not thinking of their low level groupmates. Ignoring people who are on quests etc etc. So perhaps it is time to place a level cap, so high level players can only play veteran dungeons after a certain level or CP?
Uh no, not when there’s leads and well, like a million other reasons why they’d be in normal instead of slogging it in vet. Plus, just because they’re 810 doesn’t mean they’re ready for vet dungeons...
I sympathize with people who are stuck with jerks who just speed through with no regard for the group. That’s messed up and selfish and I wish they’d just solo it rather than ruin the dungeon for the rest of the group. But your solution would also punish those who would never act in such an anti-social way. -
finehair✭✭✭They are even in vet dungeons unfortunately. That's why I usually end up soloing them. I even solo easy vet dungeons just to get undaunted leveled up fast and do quest for skill point. So annoying.
But it would suck to be not able to do normal dungeons on high cp characters just because of these people. -
jecks33✭✭✭✭✭No i like to do things myself and earn things myself.
ok, imagine someone that have to farm some set piece in a specific dungeon, doing the same dungeon 20/30 times in a day, a dungeon already done 100/200/300 times during his life in eso. How can he have the patience to wait for people to read books, quests, booksheves, took some screenshot, etc?Marshall puppa
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✭✭✭✭O.P. I'd be curious to here your opinion when you reach whatever CP threshold you think it should be. When you finally reach that point, would you like to be stuck in only vet dungeons for whatever you are trying to accomplish for the rest of the time you play ESO?
That is not something I will ever enjoy. I hit up dungeons for the Undaunted skill line, occational set farm, and now leads. Sometimes vet, sometimes normal. Not sure I want to be punished and have options stripped away solely because I have spent more time in the game than others.Edited by BigBragg on August 5, 2020 9:20AM -
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✭I'm max cp, most of my characters aren't vet ready and frankly due to disability most days neither am I. So no, just no.
You're also ignoring the fact that CP are account wide so how would this even work with a level 37 character on an account with maxed CP? They're just sol and can't do dungeons at all until max level? -
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✭A cp cap won't save you from meeting players with much higher dps than what normal dungeons are designed for.
If you know what you are doing and crafted some gear, you can get quite high dps even on a level 15 char when doing a random dungeon.
When you use the group finder you agree that you want a random team. If those random players behave different than what you like, you can try to talk to them to do it different, but if the don't want to (or are unable to) change the way they play, you should either accept it or find some friends to play with instead. -
lozq✭✭✭Nuh-uh.
The whole reason for high CP types doing normals is usually BECAUSE they know they can smash through them quickly and they want the daily XP. Or they're grinding them for gear/leads/whatever and aren't interested in taking the scenic route. I always ask at the start if anyone's questing, and if I get a 'no' (or no response) I figure I'm allowed to set the pace.
I do think it could be handy to have a 'Group me only with players of a similar level' button or something, because it can frustrating being the odd one out. But at the same time I think it's good for newbies to see/learn from more experienced people, and also good for the more experienced to do a bit of teaching by example and be exposed to lower level players and/or players with goals other than SMASHBANGKILL as fast as possible.
Communication is key - most people are happy to accommodate you. If someone isn't, either bow out gracefully and requeue or do the run, get some XP and gold and then queue again and hope for a different vibe. Or, of course, find a guild/group of people who like doing things your way and run with them.
I always try and take it slow when people are very obviously new to dungeons - let healers heal, tanks tank, DD's deal damage. It can be boring, but it's better in the long run.Quinnine | Stamblade and occasional Tankblade | PC NA -
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✭✭I've never been more than mildly annoyed at people racing through a dungeon. After all, I can always come back and do it more slowly later.
Or, if they're racing through in such a way as to cause the run to fail -- well, I can always come back and do the dungeon later.
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LioraValkyrie✭✭✭✭FFXIV has level sync when grouping for dungeons, it's a pretty cool idea.
You can still go in solo or premade and annihilate everything, but if you want the daily rewards you have to use the duty finder and your level and gear level gets capped based on the suggested level of the dungeon.
This would mean that when entering normal FG1, your perfected false god's and whatever else would temporarily become level 10 strength and your CP would be disabled. You would still have an advantage over an actual level 10 by having a complete build with passives and such, but you might feel like part of the team and not an OP titan-king that obliterates bosses in 7 seconds.Mistress of Apocrypha - Master PetSorc
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✭Anyone else think its about time that a CP cap or something similar is added to dungeon finder?
No. Group finder is fine as it is.I for one am tired of chasing after speed players/player who basically just rush off and complete a dungeon solo not thinking of their low level groupmates.
Not all vet players behave like that.
"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"
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What_In_Tarnation✭✭✭✭I mean.. one day you're be a high cp player, too. This suggestion will backfire to you though.
But anyway.. I think this is a hilarious suggestion, so why not?
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I've suggested before that the version 1 base game dungeons should be noCP when entering them on normal through group finder. You'd still be able to enter them through the map solo or with friends and have your cp intact, but I think it would give new players a better first impression and overall experience with dungeons.
The vet versions of these early dungeons are honestly so easy that if you just want to plow through because you're farming or doing pledges there's no reason not to just do it on vet anyway. -
Eifleber✭✭✭✭✭One of the main reasons you get high/max Cp players in normal dungeons is the daily random dungeon reward.
Since random veteran may also get you in scalecaller peak, moonhunter or other DLC veteran dungeons, verteran players usually rather opt for the random normal dungeon version option.
I guess if you had the choice for a random vet non-DLC dungeon a lot more people would pick that one .❆
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✭✭✭✭One of the main reasons you get high/max Cp players in normal dungeons is the daily random dungeon reward.
Since random veteran may also get you in scalecaller peak, moonhunter or other DLC veteran dungeons, verteran players usually rather opt for the random normal dungeon version option.
I guess if you had the choice for a random vet non-DLC dungeon a lot more people would pick that one .
I think that if the veteran reward were double the normal reward, that alone would be decent incentive (rather than the same reward). Currently the rewards don't quite synch up to the challenge in fairness. But additionally, the option to exclude DLC is interesting, though it invalidates some of the risk associated with dungeon roulette.Is all that we see or seem
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✭✭✭✭✭How long would you like to wait in queue for your team? That's the main reason there are no restriction on the Groupfinder once you unlock the dungeons.
I also think you overestimate how many low CP players are using the Groupfinder at any given time, instead of being high CP players on their low level alts. -
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✭Anyone else think its about time that a CP cap or something similar is added to dungeon finder? I for one am tired of chasing after speed players/player who basically just rush off and complete a dungeon solo not thinking of their low level groupmates. Ignoring people who are on quests etc etc. So perhaps it is time to place a level cap, so high level players can only play veteran dungeons after a certain level or CP?
CP 810 does not mean that a player can do veteran content. I'm at 740 CPs now and this is what a normal difficulty means to me:
- the only opportunity to dungeons at all. I have to do them for many reasons, Antiquities being on top now.
- the only opportunity to learn the lore locked behind group content.
- the opportunity to do dungeons with the team I choose. I help new players to do dungeons for a story.
I know a lot of players who, like me, have CPs BUT they can't do veteran content. Now what? Lock the dungeons for us all? -
BisDasBlutGefriert✭✭✭✭What you do is; when those runners have stopped to fight some mobs, you run in front of them and drag a whole horde of mobs back over to them. Naturally, they're going to want to try killing them all themselves, since getting it done as fast as possible is all they Care about. Then you sit back far enough away to not get extra aggro, and watch them try taking on the horde you brought back. If they die, leave em to rez themselves. HahaEdited by BisDasBlutGefriert on August 5, 2020 12:34PM~There’s a positive in every negative. Sometimes the positive is harder to find than other times, but there is ALWAYS one there~ -
Kalik_Gold✭✭✭✭✭The CP level is shared across characters.
If a person is on a fresh 50 alt (that says 810) it still may not have all skills, passives etc.Ras Kalik | Redguard - Templar | The Vestige, Ahkahtuz | Champion 1000+ | PS4/NA | ESO+ Cancelled | DC PVPPvP Combatants:
Aurik Siet'ka | Redguard - Necromancer
Cee Fôr | Redguard, Vampire - Nightblade
Cacique the Sage of Ius | Redguard - Warden
Jux Blackheart | Redguard, Lycan - Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell | Redguard - Dragonknight
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin | Reachman, Nord - Warden <No CP>
Movárth Piquine | Nord, Vampire - Necromancer <Tank/Support>
Kaotik Von Dae'mon | Breton half-Redguard* - Sorcerer <Healer/Support>
PvE Adventurers:
Herzog Zwei the Genesis | Breton - Templar <Healer>
Cinan Tharn | Imperial, Vampire - Dragonknight <Tank>
Tyrus Septim | Imperial - Sorcerer <Lightning/Shock Damage>
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar | Imperial - Dragonknight <Fire Damage>
mmoRPG personal lore:Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard Paladin and the wielder of Chrysamere; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. (not only Sai Sahan has a secret snowflake!) Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from undead, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being from Hammerfell, and a Redguard wields two massive swords in respect to the Ansei. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight.
Jux Blackheart a master thief that was frequenting the Sisters of the Sands inn for pilfering during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of this and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight and his greed. He lost two fingertips as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught...
Kaotik Von’Daemon is an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, a Breton monk and two Imperial soldiers. One of the Imperials claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (Ras Kalik's mentor in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn is really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son, that was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired battle-mage soldier and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn is also a master of disguise, and uses his disguises while he robs various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Tharn also runs an illegal gambling ring...
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a Breton and also a prominent monk of the Cult of the Ancestor Moth, was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Ancestor Moth cult worshippers wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure. Ras Kalik did indeed notice the sword however, and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Breton men have parted ways for now... While Ras Kalik is off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little does Kalik know a few people are awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The one known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons, is awaiting his arrival also.
The journey to Senchal will also put him on a path to meet a strange man which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is only known as "the member C-4", as he gave up his born name when joining the cult. Cee Fôr is on a path to spread the disease as he was infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Cee For know, the infection is tied to Vampirism, but eventually the need for blood, will take over.
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected) within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in the Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar - grandfather of Silus Vesuius.
Uri Ice-Heart - twin of Urfon Ice-Heart. Twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart that are originally from Markarth but are now residing on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, their younger sister Araki has also relocated but she is in Windhelm currently. The twins joined the Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed east to Hammerfell with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri sent his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety to avoid the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. (but he doesn't know his sister has moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild). After hearing of Urfon's death... Uri left the Reach and is seeking vengeance. -
svendf✭✭✭I understand op and agreed there are issues. I´m guilty - I do run normal dungeons, but not in more hurrie, that I can´t wait on otther player´s.
Do you run a quest np I can wait maybe because I have been in same situation. It´s people with attitude problems and no respect for fellow player´s and when I get one in my group I votekick. If that don´t do it I have no problem in getting toxic.
OP will for sure get responce like - it´s gf, form your own group and what not. As I se it they are not the right people to listen to as they do not have the problem or part of the problem or they don´t care.
I don´t believe alot of these runners are on these forums alor if they are at all.
One of these told me that he had alot of chars to run and didn´t have time to wait. What I also got from this conversation, was that he did no trials no team related play - just his own thing. Sad I feel, but some are real asocial.
Then you have those,who just want it over with - a really bad excuse. Same goes for skippers they skip because it´s not fun anymore.
Adding a cp cap because of some bad apples, no. What I wanna se is a community reaction like kick. It´s the community, who have to come up with a solution.Edited by svendf on August 5, 2020 1:19PM
