Update 26 Combat Preview

DouDaWitzki

Im a sucky player.
I just did my 1rst clear of vMA after like 500h played.

It felt great.
Not only beating it, but also being actually rewarded by the game "nice buddy you did good there, and improved yourself, here come and get you *** useless piece of trash S&B.

I was ecstatic.
I keep them as a trophy.
I beat it.

This is an horrible idea to remove this from the game.
At this rate, you are gonna give people a a free "max CP full BiS scroll" in the store, i quote "because getting [...] gear can be challenging"

Dont make the game easier.
You are ruining it for the vet players, because they EARNED IT through sweat and tears.
You are ruining it to newbs players as they will no longer feel a sense of accomplishment beating the game on a point.
You are ruining it to vet players because you dont even respect them with this.
You are ruining it to the newer players who will get easy game and then will get bored.

You are ruining your game.
It was the best game i played for a while.
It was for a whole lot of us.
It was.

Maroma7

Praying that not upgrading current VMA weapons is just a tasteless April fools joke.

DouDaWitzki wrote: »

Im a sucky player.
I just did my 1rst clear of vMA after like 500h played.

It felt great.
Not only beating it, but also being actually rewarded by the game "nice buddy you did good there, and improved yourself, here come and get you *** useless piece of trash S&B.

I was ecstatic.
I keep them as a trophy.
I beat it.

This is an horrible idea to remove this from the game.
At this rate, you are gonna give people a a free "max CP full BiS scroll" in the store, i quote "because getting [...] gear can be challenging"

Dont make the game easier.
You are ruining it for the vet players, because they EARNED IT through sweat and tears.
You are ruining it to newbs players as they will no longer feel a sense of accomplishment beating the game on a point.
You are ruining it to vet players because you dont even respect them with this.
You are ruining it to the newer players who will get easy game and then will get bored.

You are ruining your game.
It was the best game i played for a while.
It was for a whole lot of us.
It was.

THIS speaks volumes. I certainly remember my first vMA clear. I felt so good and amazing. Didn't even think that it'd be robbing new players of the same feeling (because the perfected version is probably only going to be a small stat upgrade so why bother running veteran).

On the same hand, the players that poured HOURS into vMA are going to be short-changed and be awarded the same weapon in a normal MA run that literally takes no skill.

Suligost

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Nooo!

Alinhbo_Tyaka

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

kwbridge wrote: »

There is so much I want to say but it's pointless to complain about this game anymore. Fortunately, I heard that our current vma weapons would not be upgraded to perfected ones before my subscription renews tomorrow. I have cancelled my membership and have requested a refund on Greymoor. Silly me for preordering.

I'm a Beta player and am holding out to see how this ends

I was a Beta player and dropped the game at release because of ZOS making boneheaded decisions like the current vMA weapons change. I decided to try the game again two years ago as I had heard that many of the problems had been resolved and ZOS seemed to know what they are doing. While that might have been true a couple of years ago recent actions on the part of ZOS have me convinced they want to take the game back to its original release state and kill the game.

karekiz

jaws343 wrote: »

What Zos is doing now is saying that those people who have earned the masters degree are having their degrees revoked and their accomplishments are now bachelor degree worthy. So now they have to go back to school and retake all of the classes they already took in order to re earn a degree they already earned.

My little brother has degrees from High School now that people went to college for in a public school. So in essence those college degrees are now not as valued so. Yes it does happen.

goldbond2000

Dracane wrote: »

I would not worry so. After this backlash, I am sure they will add these bonuses to existing weapons.
They probably had good intentions and thought people could be excited to have a reason to farm for them again. And apart from that, it is in ZoS' interest that players actually play and work on gear.

Now where they saw that this is not fully true, they will surely adjust.

I agree with you that they will find a way to make this right, but that's not the problem. This idea should have never made it to the community. It seems like every patch for the past year we've had changes or suggestions that are wildly unpopular, while core issues affecting gameplay and performance remain unaddressed. It gives the community the perception that the devs are out of touch with the community or that they don't consistently play the game.

highnds

If they won't upgrade your already earned vMA weapons if you already have them, then they need to throw in the option of choosing which weapon you want upon completion of the trial.

Nyladreas

heaven13 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Not cool.

Oh stop it. It's not even partially difficult to do vMA anymore.

mav1234 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

what the hell, why not? That is unfair.

How's that unfair?

Jyzzyk

I’m so angry at myself for buying a 12mth sub, because if I need to refarm all my current vMA and vDSA gear I’ll be uninstalling.

mobicera

Nyladreas wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Not cool.

Oh stop it. It's not even partially difficult to do vMA anymore.

It's not about the difficulty.
I as well as many other people ran vma on orsinium release, where you couldn't save progress, no transmute, no guaranteed weapon. We often spent months learning and farming it. We ran it when it was hard when the elite couldn't even run it in under 1h and average clears were hours.
It's about saying our time isn't valued at all.
It's about saying our weapons which we earned in orsinium with months of frustration are worth the same as a normal ma weapons and new people who go all dps and burn through everything in 30-45 mins get perfect but people who cleared when difficult get crapped on.
It's not about difficulty of vma it's about respect.

heaven13

Nyladreas wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Not cool.

Oh stop it. It's not even partially difficult to do vMA anymore.

mav1234 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

what the hell, why not? That is unfair.

How's that unfair?

Please take a look at my signature. And nearly every other reply. People are not upset because it's going to be *hard* to reacquire their weapons. It's the fact that obtaining perfected weapons once update 26 drops will be the same as obtaining regular weapons now. The method of acquisition has not changed but people will be herded back into vMA if they want the *new* reward for completing the same content.

Sennecca

Normal Maelstrom arena can be completed on characters that haven't even reached level 50 yet. The mobs fall over with a light attack, the mobs health is low, the damage taken is low and mechanics can be ignored. vMA Takes time to learn the mechanics and makes you pay dearly for not knowing those mechanics and how to deal with them. Learning that ,then grinding untold hours to get the weapon you want to find out that those hundreds of hours are going to be turned into a weapon that a level 30 character can complete is an insult to those who have spent the time and effort to master that arena and suffer the horrendous RNG over and over and over again for weeks or months on end to get what they want.
Normal MA can be done with an intricate trait staff, mismatched gear and skills that aren't even leveled.
This idea says: "Thanks for working hard to master this arena, running it for sometimes weeks or months on end. Your weapon has now been downgraded to something that someone with an intricate staff, mismatched gear, no champion points and no understanding of mechanics or the game can obtain. IF you want to have the NEW shiny weapon, you will have to do the exact same thing you have done over and over and over for sometimes months on end to get what you had before. A weapon that signals you have conquered difficult content."
Allow trading in of old vMA weapons for the newer ones, recalculate the stats on the current vma weapons OR give the normal maelstrom weapons less stats than the veteran version and a different name.

Aequo

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

This is extremely annoying and poorly executed. We ran VET maelstrom to get our weapons we have right now. Upgrade them to perfected when the update drops. If you can’t change our weapons (which everyone knows it’s possible) just mail us perfected versions of the weapons we already own.

Shadesofkin

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

I mean, I understand, but a lot of us beat this content when it was hard to do, before saved spots and cp were a thing, and now we're sitting here being told that the item we earned through days of grinding if not weeks or even months, is not getting at least a one time token upgrade?

That is streets behind.

SoggyBizkit

It's an mmo it's all about earning new weapons and gear. Stop crying I don't care about doing VMA again, what I do care about is the shocking changes to healing. Listen to anyone that plays PvP. Those changes will not do anything. Stacked healing in groups is the problem and damage mitigation. Server performance needs more love then ever so right now changes to old weapons I earned years ago are least of my problems.

MLGProPlayer

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

This is a great way to get people to quit your game.

Nice job.

Raudgrani

Nyladreas wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Not cool.

Oh stop it. It's not even partially difficult to do vMA anymore.

mav1234 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

what the hell, why not? That is unfair.

How's that unfair?

Here's a guy who obviously never finished VMA. Why on earth would anyone ever want to re-farm an entire VMA arsenal again, no matter how "easy" it is? I recently farmed up a simple Undaunted Infiltrator shock staff, it took me +80 runs. There are FIVE chests in Arx Corinium, like 90% of the time, I found all of them. Then you have a 6'th possible drop from the boss. More than EIGHTY runs, six chances each time. And yes, that for ONE weapon...

Now they want us to "re-farm" VMA weapons, for unknown reason. We already HAVE the perfected weapons, because there are no "non-perfected" ones. In my case, I would need to get at least 4 weapons, namely 2 bows, 1 shock staff and 1 inferno staff. I could of course "use" like 2-3 other "perfected" VMA weapons that I use, but that's what I would need.

They already nerfed these weapons once, which is a s**t thing to do - best thing they could do, is to re-add the original VMA bonus, and make it stick for the ability in question (Endless Hail, Wall of Elements etc.) even if you switch bars.

The amount of disrespect this shows, is almost as bad as the fact that you would need to spend weeks or months to get new weapons, that you already had - for doing the same content like 4 years ago. It's not a matter of how "hard" it is, it's the extremely disrespectful gesture towards veteran players, and how we are being forced to "prove ourselves" once again to get what we already earned. I'm not even gonna mention how unfair it is, to hand out the SAME weapons we had for veteran, to new players doing Maelstrom on normal. It's a bad joke, total chutzpah...

MLGProPlayer

Shadesofkin wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

I mean, I understand, but a lot of us beat this content when it was hard to do, before saved spots and cp were a thing, and now we're sitting here being told that the item we earned through days of grinding if not weeks or even months, is not getting at least a one time token upgrade?

That is streets behind.

Not to mention it could take hundreds of runs to get the appropriate item before transmutation.

MLGProPlayer

If you want to introduce new weapons, introduce new *** content. Do your jobs as developers. Nobody wants to replay the same old *** content.

Ivysaur342

I wonder if the devs thought that we would be excited about having to regrind vMA or if they expected the backlash and are just going with it anyway.

Completely out of touch with the community

MLGProPlayer

Ivysaur342 wrote: »

I wonder if the devs thought that we would be exited about having to regrind vMA or if they expected the backlash and are just going with it anyway.

Completely out of touch with the community

They didn't think, in typical ZOS fashion.

MLGProPlayer

Did you guys look at this chart and think "gee, those numbers are getting too high, how could we bring them down again?"

Nifty2g

Having to refarm VMA weapons all over again might make me buy another account and redownload the game. Thanks Zenimax, good change.

jbanks27

karekiz wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

What Zos is doing now is saying that those people who have earned the masters degree are having their degrees revoked and their accomplishments are now bachelor degree worthy. So now they have to go back to school and retake all of the classes they already took in order to re earn a degree they already earned.

My little brother has degrees from High School now that people went to college for in a public school. So in essence those college degrees are now not as valued so. Yes it does happen.

You know, --- I love the post above as it is a real example and how true to life things can be. I've been writing software at a global and enterprise level for over 30+ years. I've forgotten (not really) more languages than I currently use. There were only two universities in the United States that offered computer science degrees when I got started. About 10 years ago, a global company I worked for wanted me to do a program so I went through the process... Submitted all my transcripts -- etc. I got told that oh, this is too old, you have to retake these computer science courses... I asked if I could just CLEP them. I was told that they didn't allow that because these were deemed critical core to the program. So, I accepted that, and went on. "Even though I could have taught the classes!"

First course, took the first exam, and then went to the professors office. I then had to spend about an hour explaining to the professor how 40% of the exam was wrong. At the end, the professor asked me why I was in her class --

I've reviewed many of the job postings recently for ESO and I can glean quite a bit in regards to what they are using, contemplating, etc. in regards to the cloud technology sets for the game. Some are open source, others are fine, but there is a problem. Many of them look really good, easy, simple, robust, etc. Until you attempt to use them in real world, high transaction volume, near real time scenarios. They are going to have some growing pains on a few of these things. When you are needing to be able to process 500K,1m, etc. messages per second, the book doesn't cover it.

I considered actually pinging a few of the developers, etc. from linked in. But decided that I didn't want to involve my personal down time with my professional life. Regardless of what they do, I'll keep playing the game. Not because it's good, or bad, or otherwise. ESO is a community of players. We've all made friends here. It's a way for us all to interact and enjoy something with friends, groups, and an overall community of players. I like the game because generally you don't have the young kids acting like idiots and being incendiary with their language.

In the end, just remember, this is more than a game. It's a community of players who enjoy a community game. We'll all roll with the punches and take what is given. I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again. I think the major issue we have is with a lack of communications in regards to things dropped the way this one was. A simple blurb to a question with zero context. It may have been better to have just not answered until the patch notes and provided more context there.

In the end, I'd say just calm down, take a breath, and we'll see what they are coming up with. Don't beat up the poor moderators who are simply delivering a message. Shooting the messenger has always been an in-fad thing. I hope everyone is staying safe in these difficult times and hope to see many of you online.

Regards,

Nifty2g

Yo anyone needing a carry for these sick new perfected VMA weapons i'll hook you up with good deals.

[Edited for inappropriate commentary]

Nifty2g

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ValerioC

highnds wrote: »

If they won't upgrade your already earned vMA weapons if you already have them, then they need to throw in the option of choosing which weapon you want upon completion of the trial.

OMG. THIS.

MLGProPlayer

jbanks27 wrote: »

In the end, I'd say just calm down, take a breath, and we'll see what they are coming up with. Don't beat up the poor moderators who are simply delivering a message. Shooting the messenger has always been an in-fad thing. I hope everyone is staying safe in these difficult times and hope to see many of you online.

Brian isn't a moderator. He's the combat team lead.

MLGProPlayer

karekiz wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

What Zos is doing now is saying that those people who have earned the masters degree are having their degrees revoked and their accomplishments are now bachelor degree worthy. So now they have to go back to school and retake all of the classes they already took in order to re earn a degree they already earned.

My little brother has degrees from High School now that people went to college for in a public school. So in essence those college degrees are now not as valued so. Yes it does happen.

The requirements for those degrees change though. New content gets added.

SirWafflecakes

I don't get it, the requirements for getting those arena weapons is to beat the content on vet difficulty. The requirements for the perfected versions are to complete that content on vet. Why would these ones we have not become perfected and updated? You are going to anger your entire player base.