Update 26 Combat Preview

Raudgrani

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Is there ANY reason whatsoever as to WHY you are making our GOLDED OUT weapons, already achieved at veteran difficulty to "non perfected" ones? This is simply astonishing. We spent so much time farming these weapons, we spent gold improving them, we sometimes spent Transmute stones to trait change them - and now you just act as if that never happened? I mean, I can get a "non perfected" version of VMA weapons, as fast as it takes for the mobs to spawn - now you ask me to spend days or even months to do it over and over on veteran, to get a "perfected" (which it already is, because I obviously HAVE them!) version? Tell me why.

JoKi

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

And uninstalled.
Sorry, but considering the amount of runs I had to do just to get one Inferno Staff, and how bored of everything in the game I was at that point, I'm not gonna go through that hell again.

Raudgrani

Grandma wrote: »

It took me over 100 drops to get my vma fire stick [not even the right trait fire stick, just *A* fire stick, at all, over 100 drops]. and now, if i want to min/max, you're telling me I have to do that again. And god knows zos is going to put off the wrothgar event as long as possible now.

sigh. deep, heavy, sigh.

I'm telling you. For some reason not clear to me atm., they are actively working hard to make all old players quit the game. Every patch note makes that obvious. Everything they do is geared towards "new players". They shall be able to struggle their way through NORMAL Maelstrom Arena over the course of a weekend, have their nMA bow in whatever trait they get ("Powered! YAY!"), transmute it with their 50 stones they got from running non-DLC pledges for a month, and then feel good about themselves.

We had to run VMA over and over again, for a crazy long time - not only to get a bow, but to get even a remotely good trait. Making non-account bound set of "Maelstrom motifs" was a first step towards this. I knew this was coming.

I3oggle

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

I literally asked for a forum account just to comment on this, and just how utterly bizarre and nonsensical this is.

For those who don't know, the DSA and MA weapons used to have extra passives, but were later removed. Now, they are adding them back but as an extra perfect item. This is fine, but there is one gigantic problem.

DSA and MA are not being changed in difficulty at all, it is the same piece of content. The weapons should be upgraded because you have done the required content already for the drop. It's silly to not retroactively give perfect versions to people who already did the veteran version anyway.

I want to play Greymoor when it comes out, not slog through vMA again to get an item i've had for years. Please rethink this statement.

Youmee

Just for the sale of yet another voice to object this idea.

WE really want to play NEW content! We, veteran players, are done with vMA years ago. Why should we come back? To get META gear? Maybe you should put meta in the new content?

I like the idea of giving all the players an opportunity to get an ordinary version of MA weapons from a normal version put please do not make the ones who have done it so many times, farm this arenas again.

After all, they are incredibly boring)))

Raudgrani

terrasight wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »
Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions

If this is coming i'm out, definitly.

That's what they want. It's easy to see. Us "old complaining, backwards players". New ones, who doesn't know ow it used to be, they don't protest like us.

iKillElves4Septims

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Reimbruse me the transmutes, Gold and time spent farming my soon-to-be useless vma gear and give me the perfected bow/inferno to match my current inventories, then you can carry on being the same backwards thinking gang

Raudgrani

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

You are risking that people will simply stop doing content (grinding gear) as it will be risky to invest time, knowing that you can do something like that in the future. In fact, something similar already have happened not so long ago - Iceheart monster set was nerfed, just to make new dungeon dlc monster set look better.

If you will do that again, it will be the last straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

True. But getting an Iceheart head takes like 15 minutes. True you might be forced to run 2-3 times or so to get the right weight, but you still can transmute it. ALSO, you can run it with other people (yes, you can do Direfrost solo - if you didn't know).

To get like specific VMA staves, and bows (most likely), for let's say 3-4 characters at least, will require WEEKS if not MONTHS of dedicated work by individuals, not groups. DSA is a bit different. Can be "group farmed", but most people I used to do such content with are gone from the game by now. And they ain't coming back to help me get 2 DSA bows, frost and flame staffs etc.

Ellawissa

Please, concider UPDATING weapon because it makes no sence at all. Why on the earth I need to do that painfull grind just to get what I already had?
And jes, some of my mates had to run vMaelstorm over 100(!) times to get that bloody fierstaff. I would lose at least a quoter of my veteran guildmates due to this change. Thats hilarious.

#updatetoperfect!

brbrshpr77

Here's an easy fix for this ZOS that should keep the peace within the community...leave the current VMA weapons the way they are but lower the stats on the weapons earned through normal VMA so that even when they are golded out they are still not as good as the VMA weapons. I like the idea of having a version of the VMA weapons awarded for completing the arena on Normal but this is a kick in the face to those of us who spent endless hours practicing and honing our play skills to get our VMA weapons. Thanks for listening.

mattiellosa

A large portion of ESO's vet player base was saved from leaving with the recent New World delay. ZOS please use this delay as an opportunity to try and prove to vet and experienced players that you actually care about them and want them to enjoy this game, rather than having it be a money grab from new players and crown store purchases.

The constant disregard for vet players has been going on for a while and it's getting to the point of being ridiculous. For example in the recent post about "lowering the APM" and "Closing the skill gap" is a direct slap in the face to all the players who took the time practising and improving, to only have all that work put in mean a lot less as someone who puts in 1/4 of the effort to get very similar results.

This trend carries on into today's post. Sure, I love that you are making vMA/vDSA weapon more obtainable to the newer players, but not making our current weapons perfected is yet another slap in the face of vet players who spent an enormously and even unreasonable amount of time farming those weapons. For you to take our months of playtime just trying to farm those weapons and put them into content that can be completed faster than the time it takes to do a daily writ, is just straight-up insulting.

In addition, the healing changes made in pvp will only impact solo players. Huge 30+ player zergs are already overheating, don't even mention ball groups, they have so much healing that this change will mean nothing to the few that are still running around. That leaves the only other type of player in Cyrodiil solo / small-scale players. If these changes go through they will basically have to through their playstyle out the window and play in the 2 FPS zergs or be forced to swap out of their main classes and play magsorc or nightblade, being the only classes that can survive playing solo without utilising burst heals and Hots.

ZOS please, I say this on behalf of your Whole Vet Player Base. Please take us into account when making changes.

goldenarcher1

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

Kind of a swing and miss on that one.

[snip]


Still looking forward to natch potes though.

[edited for baiting]

pieratsos

ffs how many times do u have to do the same mistake before u learn. If your problem is the extreme healing then address extreme healing specifically. Are you seriously so incapable of seeing that a blunt nerf to everything doesnt address the issue? You cant address extreme healing by flat out nerfing healing for everyone. You are hurting normal builds more than you hurt the extreme healing builds because the extreme builds are actually well suited to cope with the nerf. So congratulations, the healbots are still going to be healbots but you now have succesfully nerfed normal builds and achieved literally the exact opposite of what you had in mind.

redTechInc

Lower the salary of the people responsible for this *** idea, wait a few months and give them a optional "perfected" salaray, that they only earn if they come up with WORKING solutions for the ongoing problems with stability and performance.

The "perfected" salary is the exact same amount that they previously earned, before you lowered it.


So those who're stupid enough to think this idea is viable or fair in any way and will not bring total backlash can experience firsthand how the vet-playerbase feels.

Lord_Eomer

ragingruby1991 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

So I farmed for months on PS4 to get all of my vMA weapons. Then I switched to PC and farmed all over again for all of my vMA weapons. And now you want me to farm AGAIN for weapons that I have more than earned.

*** is wrong with you at ZoS? Every single update you have to do something to alienate those that support you. Every time without fail.

I used to play on PS4 as well and same is my story but i did farm on PC NA and EU as well.

jaws343

hackdrag0n wrote: »

Here's a better car analogy. If lasts years model is still on the lot when this year's comes out, it instantly devalues. If someone can afford the newer model, they'll most likely go for it even though it costs more. The "normal" vma weapons will be devalued once the prefected ones come out. Even if the ones we have aren't changing they are still worth less because there is a better version of now.

ZoS have psychologists on staff who understand the effect this will have on people. We will all have to farm it again if anything for the status to prove we've been through that. This isn't about gearing up new players, it's about occupying people's time with old content as it's cheaper and easier than actually developing new content.

Can we give the car analogies a rest. They do not work in this situation because gear does not devalue over time in the same way.

A more apt analogy is this:

Say currently, completing nMA is the equivalent of earning a Bachelors degree and completing vMA is the equivalent of earning a masters degree.

When you earn that masters degree you gain all the benefits of doing so. In return for the time and energy you put in. A lot of people have put in that extra effort to do so.

Earning the bachelors degree is easy and requires pretty much no effort other than showing up.

What Zos is doing now is saying that those people who have earned the masters degree are having their degrees revoked and their accomplishments are now bachelor degree worthy. So now they have to go back to school and retake all of the classes they already took in order to re earn a degree they already earned.

Like imagine you went to school and got a real master's degree. And as a result you gained some sort of perk in life. Then also imagine that they took that perk away from you and gave it to a person who took the same classes but stopped short of getting a masters degree. And then they told you that you had to earn your degree again just because.

Nothing has changed with the gate to get the item.

MurderologistOnPSN

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Lead PvP Personnel: Can I let you in on something? Everyday us PS4 players attempt to use our hard earned weapons inside CYRODIIL and the weapons don’t fire off attacks, the skills are delayed, we slide on the ground and the air, we teleport, we blue screen, and we continue to show support for the game. Please fix these issues before making us rerun old content for thing we have literally already completed. What’s next Perfected VMOL? PERFECTED VHOF? I can support the normal versions being available for people who are having difficulty finding groups to have a chance at them on normal or not being able to complete VMA. But if the reward for beating VMA is perfected weapons then anyone who has them already has completed that content and considering we have every weapon some multiple we should be rewarded as such for completing it at a time when obtaining flawless conquer meant something. PVP IS BROKEN, CYRODIIL IS BROKEN. You and your team should be more focused on customer satisfaction than blatantly disregarding that we have finished these arenas and have been rewarded as such.

kwbridge

There is so much I want to say but it's pointless to complain about this game anymore. Fortunately, I heard that our current vma weapons would not be upgraded to perfected ones before my subscription renews tomorrow. I have cancelled my membership and have requested a refund on Greymoor. Silly me for preordering.

Epicasballs

I farmed my first VMA Sharpened inferno back when that trait was BiS before transmute was a thing. 500+ runs. Some runs didn't even reward you with anything. I can't even look at the game right now.

Tanis-Stormbinder

kwbridge wrote: »

There is so much I want to say but it's pointless to complain about this game anymore. Fortunately, I heard that our current vma weapons would not be upgraded to perfected ones before my subscription renews tomorrow. I have cancelled my membership and have requested a refund on Greymoor. Silly me for preordering.

I'm a Beta player and am holding out to see how this ends

gepe87

Seems a "kiss-curse": a long waited update comes with a slap in veteran faces

Env_t

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Your current VMA and DSA Weapons will not be automatically upgraded to Perfected versions.

i like this idea! keep going [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Dracane

I would not worry so. After this backlash, I am sure they will add these bonuses to existing weapons.
They probably had good intentions and thought people could be excited to have a reason to farm for them again. And apart from that, it is in ZoS' interest that players actually play and work on gear.

Now where they saw that this is not fully true, they will surely adjust.

John_Falstaff

Dracane wrote: »

I would not worry so. After this backlash, I am sure they will add these bonuses to existing weapons.
They probably had good intentions and thought people could be excited to have a reason to farm for them again. And apart from that, it is in ZoS' interest that players actually play and work on gear.

Now where they saw that this is not fully true, they will surely adjust.

The problem with that thinking (ZOS is capable of thinking? news to me) is that we worked for that gear already, ran the very same vet content for it. If they made some new "vMA HM", harder and more fun, wouldn't object in a slightest and would run it to farm perfected staves. But trying to coerce people into running old content by turning all our vMA drops into nMA drops is a new low even for ZOS.

BennyButton

Chicharron wrote: »

We have a Lead PvE Designer?

no just a lead PvP Designer who they thought would be a good fit for lead COMBAT designer.

MokiDono

I'm not against the whole perfected VMA weapon introduction, but its absolutely insane not to upgrade the current VMA weapons that we grinded out spending blood and sweat. Or at least do a double Wrothgar gear drop event on release date. Just do us a solid and upgrade the weapons, reward us once, not just punish every time.

BennyButton

Imagine if they changed the Godslayer achievement to work in Normal sunspire and made a new title for HM vSS and everyone who got it had to re-run sunspire for the achievement they already earned. That is what this is like.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Lord_Eomer

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

1.VMA or VDSA farming again for weapon is bad, either make it more rewarding or automatically upgrade weapon with U26

2. Healing berf looks good and is much needed to stop unkillable builds, ESO combat should have clear direction: Healer suppose to play healing role, DD as damage not every other role. Currenlty DD can do any role except few very hard contents

3. LA/MA/HA changea are needed, take some time to implement in a right way

4. @ZOS_RichLambert mentioned in recent interview about combat changes roadmap, this is right direction and a good step forward

5. Monster Set changes like Skoria are much appreciated

BennyButton

Imagine if Gryphon Heart was made to work in Normal Cloudrest +3 and they made a new title for vCR HM, and everyone who got Gryphon Heart had to re-run vCR HM for the achievement they already earned.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

concegual

Horrid plan... They've been farmed on vet and any changes should include updated bonuses all weapons already farmed. So taking the bonus off a few yrs back was doable? but giving them back now is not?