What Class is Missing from ESO

Aendruu

VocalThought wrote: »

Do you feel that there is another class that better fits your initial interest, knowing what you know now?

@VocalThought I've tried both the Templar and Warden, but no... I'm still using the Sorcerer.

VocalThought

Rhypon wrote: »

VocalThought wrote: »

Do you feel that there is another class that better fits your initial interest, knowing what you know now?

@VocalThought I've tried both the Templar and Warden, but no... I'm still using the Sorcerer.

What kept you with Sorcerer, the passives?

Ghostextechnica

I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but lorewise from all the Elder Scrolls games the following 'classes' are canon:

• Acrobat
• Agent
• Archer
• Assassin
• Barbarian
• Bard
• Battlemage
• Burglar
• Crusader
• Dragonknight
• Healer
• Knight
• Mage
• Monk
• Nightblade
• Pilgrim
• Ranger
• Rogue
• Scout
• Sorcerer
• Spellsword
• Templar
• Thief
• Warden
• Warrior
• Witchhunter

VerboseQuips

An Artificer would be great. We have a class with Daedric pets, a class with animal pets, a class with undead pets, so what is missing is a class with animunculi pets. :-) (That, and, maybe, a class with Faerie pets? )

VocalThought

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but lorewise from all the Elder Scrolls games the following 'classes' are canon:
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Difference is, past classes in TES were defined based on what skill combinations that you used or simply had experience, include magic, weapons, armor, and world skills, while being able to be classless or creating a class of your own. ESO classes are defined by have a specific set of class abilities, excluding weapon, armor, and world skills, while you can use any weapon or armor you want, your still part of a particular class.

Most of the past TES classes could still be created in ESO, since many of the classes were simply a combination of weapon and armor. Mixing in the Guild Skills would really fulfill your chances of making past TES classes. The only thing the ESO has done with classes is show how each class would use the different schools of magic differently, or having particular thematics. Don't get me wrong, there are still skills missing, but at the same time the streamline things nicely as well.

evoniee

we dont have assassins type class that has good single target potential, i wish that clown class can do the job

Raudgrani

Some kind of shaman/bard dealing mostly with buffs/debuffs could be something. One ultimate could be "Black Metal Drums of 1993", another "Tormenting Solo Strings of Yngwie Malmsteen" for example.

VocalThought

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but lorewise from all the Elder Scrolls games the following 'classes' are canon:

• Acrobat
• Agent
• Archer
• Assassin
• Barbarian
• Bard
• Battlemage
• Burglar
• Crusader
• Dragonknight
• Healer
• Knight
• Mage
• Monk
• Nightblade
• Pilgrim
• Ranger
• Rogue
• Scout
• Sorcerer
• Spellsword
• Templar
• Thief
• Warden
• Warrior
• Witchhunter

After looking at this list again and seeing the past TES games, I have to give it up to Zenimax for making ESO. They did a great job with making the all the classes, despite how much people complain about them. They actually added abilities to the game that players didn't have access to, streamlined a lot of things nicely that weren't really needed in past games, and kept a great feel for the game. In actuality, based on the old class system, you there's more things you can do in this game compared to what most suggest.

For example, the TES Oblivion Class, Acrobat would suggest that you had to have Acrobatics, Security, Sneak, Marksman, Block, Blade, and Speechcraft. Technically you could create the same class in ESO by selecting Legerdemain, Bow, One-Handed and Shield, Dual Wield, Medium Armor, and maybe Fighters Guild for the Speechcraft skill, and maybe a crafting skill to even things up.

Clearly, it wouldn't matter what class you were to pick, since you wouldn't need any class skills to recreate the Acrobat in ESO, and it would clearly be more of a stamina build. So comparing TES classes with ESO, we were actually more limited in TES when playing a class, unless you created your own.

When looking at skills from the past games, we can easily translate most of the skills, like TES's "Block" would be ESO's "One handed and Shield", or Marksman would be Bow. Other skills might have to be interpreted based on the theme of the class, where it may be one thing for one class and something else for another.

As far as Magic goes, we can see that they stuck with Alteration, Conjuration, Restoration, Destruction, and Illusions. Mysticism spells have been shuffled into other spell types in the previous games, where Soul Magic seem all to be left of it. With the inclusion of Mage Guild and Psijic, there seems to be a way to reincorporate this school of magic.

So if we dissect the current classes in ESO we could say that each class may have a little bit of each school of magic, but may primarily focus on 2 maybe 3 schools.
Dragonknight: Destruction and Alteration
Sorcerer: Conjuration and Destruction
Templar: Restoration and Conjuration
Nightblade: Illusion and Alteration
Warden: Conjuration, Restoration, Destruction
Necromancer: Conjuration, Alteration, Restoration
With these skills identified in each class it's easy to see what current classes and skills would fill the role of the past classes listed by looking at what skills in Oblivion, Morrowind, or previous titles

TES Classes (ESO Class)
Skills: (ESO Skills)
1) Acrobat (Any Class)
Acrobatics (-missing-)
Security (Legerdemain)
Sneak (Medium Armor)
Marksman (Bow)
Block (One handed and Shield)
Blade (Dual Weld)
Speechcraft (Fighter's Guild)

2) Agent (Nightblade)
Alchemy (Alchemy)
Alteration (Siphon)
Conjuration (Assassination)
Illusion (Shadow/Psijic Order)
Mysticism (Soul Magic)
Mercantile (Thieves Guild)
Speechcraft (Fighters Guild)

3) Archer (Any Class)
Armorer (Clothier)
Blade (Dual Wield)
Blunt (Dual Wield)
Hand-to-Hand (-missing-)
Light Armor (Medium Armor)
Marksman (Bow)
Sneak (Medium Armor)

4) Assassin (Any Class w/Dark Brotherhood)
Security (Legerdemain)
Sneak (Medium Armor)
Acrobatics (-missing-)
Marksman (Bow)
Light Armor (Medium Armor)
Alchemy (Alchemy)
Blade (Dual Wield)

5) Barbarian (Any Class)
Armorer (Clothier)
Athletics (Medium Armor)
Blade (Dual Wield)
Block (One-Handed and Shield)
Blunt (Two-Handed)
Hand-to-Hand (-missing-)
Light Armor (Medium Armor)

6) Bard (Nightblade/Warden)
Blade (Dual Wield)
Block (One-Handed and Shield)
Illusion (Shadow/Animal Companions/Psijic Order)
Alchemy (Alchemy)
Light Armor (Medium Armor)
Mercantile (Thieves Guild)
Speechcraft (Mages Guild)

7) Battlemage (DragonKnight/Sorcerer)
Alchemy (Alchemy)
Alteration (Dragon Powers/Dark Magic)
Blade (Dual Wield)
Blunt (Two-Handed)
Conjuration (Earthen Heart/Dedric Summoning)
Destruction (Ardent Flames/Storm Calling)
Mysticism (Soul Magic/Psijic Order)

I'm sure you all get the gist. Clearly there a way to make previous classes in this game. I'll do the rest tomorrow.

I think when it comes to new classes, it seems to me, more important to think of themes missing, than to think of the previous classes not being listed since based on the past class description, we clearly have more capabilities.

Dusk_Coven

Bard would be nice, and for once make it not about regular at all. Battle of the bands, maybe though.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/519131/bards-as-an-alternative-to-theives-pickpocketing

godagarah5000

id still like to see a blood mage class i suppose

LukosCreyden

@godagarah5000 you've probably heard it before, but I've always thought of Magblade as the "Blood Mage" class. Well, blood magic and shadow magic.

As for other classes, as someone above mentioned, the older games have a wealth of classes to pick from. Even bard.

Personally, I'd like more skill lines at this point.

Luckylancer

Alteration magic

TheShadowScout

VerboseQuips wrote: »

An Artificer would be great. We have a class with Daedric pets, a class with animal pets, a class with undead pets, so what is missing is a class with animunculi pets. :-) (That, and, maybe, a class with Faerie pets? )

Once again, the "artificer" archetype is way too rare to be player class viable. Not to mention, even the best dwemer scholars find it a huge achievement to even get a -little- control over dwemer stuff before it blows up in their faces (didn't you play those sidequests?), so it -really- is way too little understood for it to be lorewise workable.
Keep the thought for a TES game set in the fifth or sixth era!

And faeries are not exactly a thing in TES lore. Yes, there are some critters that serve the same "niche", but... not quite as in the more common lore people know. There is no "seelie court" nor helpful pixies, nor sidhe waiting underhill here... instead the people of tamriel have other ways. Most we already got, one way or another - as has been mentioned, daedric, undead and nature is represented, and that is still pretty much it, tho we -could- perhaps use a tiny little bit more on the "elemental" side of summonings... even tho the atronarchs are pretty much a daedric take on elemental spirits, and we do get a bit for them... still, it would make lots of sense for firery DK mages to get to call flame atronarchs too I guess. I mean, NPCs do it, right?

evoniee wrote: »

we dont have assassins type class that has good single target potential, i wish that clown class can do the job

Nightblade. They even have a whole skill line called "assassination" - tho once again, I have to say I wish they would pick up something like my "class specialization" idea to let people -specialize- in some aspect of their classes!

godagarah5000 wrote: »

id still like to see a blood mage class i suppose

Nightblade, magica build, focus on siphoning? Maybe vampire for good measuer... but... once again... specializations should be a thing!

Luckylancer wrote: »

Alteration magic

Is not a class.
Could be done tho, either as staff, or as standalone skill line like psijic, depending on what exactly you are thinking when you say "I want alteration magic in ESO"...

Anyron

Not sure if thats class, but I would like to see lich.. Lich doesnt die easily so they could have something like old Phoenix set ( when you kill him he heals one time) and more focused on dark magic / alteration / enchanting
Maybe telekinesis where you could pick player and throw him away?
Paralysis should be cool too

RedReign

a balanced one

Destai

I'd like to see some sort of Illusionist class, fits in nicely with the lore Illusion and Alteration skill lines in previous games. Other than that, I think we're covered in class terms.

TheShadowScout

Anyron wrote: »

Not sure if thats class, but I would like to see lich...

Yeah, that wouldn't be a class.
It would be a world skill line just like "vampire" or "werewolf" - something like "undead", which in magica build would equal "lich" (and in stamina build, something like "death knight")

It could be a endurance focussed thing... like, no HP recovery whatsoever, and perhapy even a healing penalty for all "normal health recovery" effects... but also taking less damage from stuff. Like, immune to poison, disease and bleed because "undead", and resistant to cold and perhaps even critical hits and physical damage (because "undead" and thus not as reliant on all the flesh actually working) or possibly oblivion damage... (because "unlife energy" - could even be that all normal healing would be treated as poison, and oblivion damage actually restores HP...) but taking extra damage from fire and pure magic damage (as it disrupts your animating forces?), perhaps? With an passive that allows to stay alive at 0HP as long as you still have magica to pay the damage from instead...? And some other goodies in the way of "undead-ability" skills, like cursed touch or reanimate (aka, HP recovery that -does- work for undead), or whatever?
It might have some severe social penalties tho, since "undead" cannot "pass for mortals" like vampires (barely) and werewolves, so... loads of "fun" with being a criminal act all the time...
Still, I could see it happen sometime.

Anyron wrote: »

...and more focused on dark magic / alteration / enchanting

Sorceror covers the dark magic.
Enchanting is a crafting skill.
Alteration is scattered a bit here and there, but... could use some more, but definitely not undead-specific, but "learnable by everyone", so either as weapon skill line, or as guild skill line (possibly as "mage guild mastery"?)

Anyron wrote: »

Maybe telekinesis where you could pick player and throw him away?

We have more then enough CCs of that kind, actually. Tho it could always be done... since we DO have the concept already. But once again, its not exactly something "undead-specific", so...

Anyron wrote: »

Paralysis should be cool too

Again, more then enough CCs of that kind. And again, no reason not to have some more if one were to need to flesh out some skill line somewhere... tho this is more something for -illusionists- in TES setting (at least in TES-III and TES-IV, I dimly recall it having shifted to "alteration" in Skyrim...)